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On June 27 2019 17:09 Pandain wrote:
From my perspective all we need to do is lynch through Jock, Shape, Kelsier, and Eywa. Shape and Kelsier being first on the list.
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Oh Eywa was there, sorry i read in a hurry.
Still, why is jock there? You called him almost confirmed town earlier.
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On June 27 2019 17:22 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 26 2019 19:12 Pandain wrote:
In my opinion, Eversince is practically confirmed town. Jock, Rayn, and Trefel are 98% town.
Grack and Ewya are null to slightly town.
Keslier and Shape are likely mafia. why is jock on your list of mafia candidates? He's not my first pick at all. He's just a possibility. I'm saying if we lynch through these 4 we will never lose.
Okay which of those other three can he be mafia with and why?
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jock why the fuck do you have grackaroni in your lynch list? it has annoyed me since forever.
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Holyflare, can you please give me the scumpartner(s) outside Shapelog Pandain is / can be mafia with? I promise to look very closely there because i would love to lynch the shit out of him if he is scum jsut because he fucking tried to kill me over Slam and Shapelog.
+ Show Spoiler +Pandain
09-26-2013
11:40 PM ET (US)
You clearly have never read any of my mafia games.
It's not about Town cred, it's about logic, aggression, and bandwagoning town.
I dont think people change, at least people dont change what's working, and that has been working for pandain as mafia.
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On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.
I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance.
- there are no more than 1 protective role, ever (this has been discussed already)
- grack has claimed a protective role
- there are 3 blues in the game
- the blue claims ARE gonna come out
- if there is another protective role (come D2 they SHOULD have gotten a nice hit on either protecting someone (HF) or nailing scum (if jailing offensively)), they should come out RIGHT NOW. And that means Grackaroni is dead, if not today then tomorrow.
Like there is no reason why Grackaroni claims like that in the first place as mafia, and there certainly is no reason why he hasn't been cc'd in case he is mafia after no-kill.
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On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:
That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose.
That's incorrect. You/Eywa/Koshi/Shape should claim if they are blue. Not jock who almost noone is scumreading. Mafia already knows i am not blue.
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On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.
I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance. We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense? Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims) That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose.
So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain?
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On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.
I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance. We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense? Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims) That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose. So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain? I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it. Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.
It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.
I know, you magically realised it right after someone absorbed a shot. It's like almost way too convenient. What you just said has been said for ages but only after there is a no-kill you are able to realise it. And also after that, jock magically appears in your "possible scum pile". When you should have no reason to call him mafia over lets say me.
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On June 27 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Holyflare, can you please give me the scumpartner(s) outside Shapelog Pandain is / can be mafia with? I promise to look very closely there because i would love to lynch the shit out of him if he is scum jsut because he fucking tried to kill me over Slam and Shapelog. + Show Spoiler +Pandain
09-26-2013
11:40 PM ET (US)
You clearly have never read any of my mafia games.
It's not about Town cred, it's about logic, aggression, and bandwagoning town.
I dont think people change, at least people dont change what's working, and that has been working for pandain as mafia. With pandain: Eywa/jock most likely. Jock's posts have been less and less impressive since slam flipped. I haven't really thought about it to be honest so don't want to rule anyone else out yet. Everything is open.
I can agree with jock being mafia with pandain. I will check if that makes sense thread-sentiment-wise after i have slept (still havent after night shift). I heavily disagree with Pandain+Eywa combo.
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meh i am going to bounce ideas here HF if that's okay? I am not sure i can stay awake enough to actually make a educated decision. Why don't jock + pandain on at least some level agree to shapelog D1 (or if they did, why didn't they use it when the shit hit the fan)?
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On June 27 2019 17:52 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.
I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance. We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense? Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims) That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose. So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain? I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it. On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.
It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.
I know, you magically realised it right after someone absorbed a shot. It's like almost way too convenient. What you just said has been said for ages but only after there is a no-kill you are able to realise it. And also after that, jock magically appears in your "possible scum pile". When you should have no reason to call him mafia over lets say me. I don't think it was ever said. I still don't think jock is scum. He's just less Towny than trfel es or you.
Not in those exact words but yes it was.
Why am i not mafia with Kelsier? Why is my whole play not mafia if Kelsier is mafia?
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On June 27 2019 17:52 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Holyflare, can you please give me the scumpartner(s) outside Shapelog Pandain is / can be mafia with? I promise to look very closely there because i would love to lynch the shit out of him if he is scum jsut because he fucking tried to kill me over Slam and Shapelog. + Show Spoiler +Pandain
09-26-2013
11:40 PM ET (US)
You clearly have never read any of my mafia games.
It's not about Town cred, it's about logic, aggression, and bandwagoning town.
I dont think people change, at least people dont change what's working, and that has been working for pandain as mafia. With pandain: Eywa/jock most likely. Jock's posts have been less and less impressive since slam flipped. I haven't really thought about it to be honest so don't want to rule anyone else out yet. Everything is open. I can agree with jock being mafia with pandain. I will check if that makes sense thread-sentiment-wise after i have slept (still havent after night shift). I heavily disagree with Pandain+Eywa combo. I can see where this line of thought comes from, although I genuinely had the feeling day 1 that Pandain was buddying me pretty hard, which would be massively unsubtle if we were both mafia, no?
I dont remember who was buddying who or if it even can considered as buddying. Idk why that would be unsubtle, people can agree with each other regardless of alignment.
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On June 27 2019 17:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Holyflare, can you please give me the scumpartner(s) outside Shapelog Pandain is / can be mafia with? I promise to look very closely there because i would love to lynch the shit out of him if he is scum jsut because he fucking tried to kill me over Slam and Shapelog. + Show Spoiler +Pandain
09-26-2013
11:40 PM ET (US)
You clearly have never read any of my mafia games.
It's not about Town cred, it's about logic, aggression, and bandwagoning town.
I dont think people change, at least people dont change what's working, and that has been working for pandain as mafia. With pandain: Eywa/jock most likely. Jock's posts have been less and less impressive since slam flipped. I haven't really thought about it to be honest so don't want to rule anyone else out yet. Everything is open. I can agree with jock being mafia with pandain. I will check if that makes sense thread-sentiment-wise after i have slept (still havent after night shift). I heavily disagree with Pandain+Eywa combo. I still don't understand the pandain eywa thing.
Pandain is a planner kinda guy as mafia. You know like if me and you were in a mafia team, we would have a plan on how the game would draw out, what will most likely happen and how to deal with certain situations etc... I see no common ground regarding a mafia team plan between those two people, i mean like if one of theirs gets under suspicion they are likely fucked because they can't have enough alternatives to push based on how they have played. Quick example, eywa started the game with calling a quick lynch on pandain. It doesn't mean she can't be mafia with pandain but it means (when she didn't back off -- and tried to make me look like pandain's partner) that she can't pretty much be on a same lynch with pandain without looking bad.
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On June 27 2019 18:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh i am going to bounce ideas here HF if that's okay? I am not sure i can stay awake enough to actually make a educated decision. Why don't jock + pandain on at least some level agree to shapelog D1 (or if they did, why didn't they use it when the shit hit the fan)? No idea :D I do think it's much more likely to just be pandain shapelog since if shape was town I'd think it would be a much better pile to jump on if I was mafia trying to save my buddy. He did only have 2 minutes though so not really sure he could have swayed people. That's why pandain vote on you is so ridiculously opportune. There's no way he goes out of his way to lynch his town read (you) for information™ over just slam who he said was a good lynch or shapelog who 2 people were already voting (you, his town read, and grack his mafia read so lots more info!). This means he knew thread sentiment. He knew I could try and be swayed and he knew I was on his partner so he goes for the most opportune switch possible.
I agree Shapelog can easily be mafia with Pandain for his EOD1.
But you need to lynch Shapelog first, then you can have a case if Shapelog flips mafia.
That's what i think.
On June 27 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:58 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Holyflare, can you please give me the scumpartner(s) outside Shapelog Pandain is / can be mafia with? I promise to look very closely there because i would love to lynch the shit out of him if he is scum jsut because he fucking tried to kill me over Slam and Shapelog. + Show Spoiler +Pandain
09-26-2013
11:40 PM ET (US)
You clearly have never read any of my mafia games.
It's not about Town cred, it's about logic, aggression, and bandwagoning town.
I dont think people change, at least people dont change what's working, and that has been working for pandain as mafia. With pandain: Eywa/jock most likely. Jock's posts have been less and less impressive since slam flipped. I haven't really thought about it to be honest so don't want to rule anyone else out yet. Everything is open. I can agree with jock being mafia with pandain. I will check if that makes sense thread-sentiment-wise after i have slept (still havent after night shift). I heavily disagree with Pandain+Eywa combo. I still don't understand the pandain eywa thing. Pandain is a planner kinda guy as mafia. You know like if me and you were in a mafia team, we would have a plan on how the game would draw out, what will most likely happen and how to deal with certain situations etc... I see no common ground regarding a mafia team plan between those two people, i mean like if one of theirs gets under suspicion they are likely fucked because they can't have enough alternatives to push based on how they have played. Quick example, eywa started the game with calling a quick lynch on pandain. It doesn't mean she can't be mafia with pandain but it means (when she didn't back off -- and tried to make me look like pandain's partner) that she can't pretty much be on a same lynch with pandain without looking bad. I don't ever plan and I don't think eywa is the kind of person to listen to any plan lol. How do you plan around an afk slam and unruly eywa? Impossible. It's probably just sit and hope nothing goes to shit and then when it did that's why pandain panicked.
Well i do, and i know Pandain does. I don't know if Eywa listens to plans as mafia or not but my basic assumption is that all people do, i don't know many who don't. Like even fucking kush does....
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My personal opinion is that if pandain/slam/eywa were mafia, slam is afk and eywa doesn't give fucks in scum qt pandain would bus slam.
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On June 27 2019 18:14 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:05 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh i am going to bounce ideas here HF if that's okay? I am not sure i can stay awake enough to actually make a educated decision. Why don't jock + pandain on at least some level agree to shapelog D1 (or if they did, why didn't they use it when the shit hit the fan)? No idea :D I do think it's much more likely to just be pandain shapelog since if shape was town I'd think it would be a much better pile to jump on if I was mafia trying to save my buddy. He did only have 2 minutes though so not really sure he could have swayed people. That's why pandain vote on you is so ridiculously opportune. There's no way he goes out of his way to lynch his town read (you) for information™ over just slam who he said was a good lynch or shapelog who 2 people were already voting (you, his town read, and grack his mafia read so lots more info!). This means he knew thread sentiment. He knew I could try and be swayed and he knew I was on his partner so he goes for the most opportune switch possible. Dude you guys don't fucking read. It's not just about information and I would never lynch someone just based on information. It was the fact that at the end of the day I was certain slam was town. I was not certain about Rayn.
the problem is you wanted to lynch me (town read) over shapelog (null read).
and you have yet to explain why. you pushed all the other wagons except for shapelog, and i dont know why, since i was your townread and shapelog was not.
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I am sorry Pandain but so far in this conversation (scum with Shapelog) HF draws the longer stick.
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On June 27 2019 18:20 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 18:14 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 18:05 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh i am going to bounce ideas here HF if that's okay? I am not sure i can stay awake enough to actually make a educated decision. Why don't jock + pandain on at least some level agree to shapelog D1 (or if they did, why didn't they use it when the shit hit the fan)? No idea :D I do think it's much more likely to just be pandain shapelog since if shape was town I'd think it would be a much better pile to jump on if I was mafia trying to save my buddy. He did only have 2 minutes though so not really sure he could have swayed people. That's why pandain vote on you is so ridiculously opportune. There's no way he goes out of his way to lynch his town read (you) for information™ over just slam who he said was a good lynch or shapelog who 2 people were already voting (you, his town read, and grack his mafia read so lots more info!). This means he knew thread sentiment. He knew I could try and be swayed and he knew I was on his partner so he goes for the most opportune switch possible. Dude you guys don't fucking read. It's not just about information and I would never lynch someone just based on information. It was the fact that at the end of the day I was certain slam was town. I was not certain about Rayn. the problem is you wanted to lynch me (town read) over shapelog (null read). and you have yet to explain why. you pushed all the other wagons except for shapelog, and i dont know why, since i was your townread and shapelog was not. I would definitely have voted shape. Problem is that even if I did he would not have had enough votes to be lynched because it would be tied 3-3 with slam reaching 3 first
why did you try to convince HF to vote for me over Shapelog? Did HF ever say Shapelog is town?
Even if he did, ans i know he was possibly moving onto me, why did you try to convince him of lynching your townread over a null read (based on your principles you showed on Slam if we assume you're town here).
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