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On May 21 2019 08:03 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 08:00 wherebugsgo wrote: Someone is going to have to explain why they think ruxxar became townier with his responses cause I’m not really seeing it. He came back and basically posted a few things that made absolutely no sense (why does he think one of Calix/conversion is scum??) with no particular read progression-he even claimed he read the thread and the only thing that really changed is that he now town reads Koshi.
He also pulled a second disappearing act as people are fighting over Calix again. Why is this such a hard lynch? i mean its not slam dunk (unfortunaley nothing is so far), but a) tone b) like where does mafia come in like "yeah was reading filter for an hour, got these small things, but basically not much, cu". imo the "sry got nothing" is more likely town, as scum would frantically try to have "something"
What?? a) His tone is meek. He literally called himself a mouse b) what you mentioned here is more mafia indicative than town!! It’s mafia who aren’t willing to commit to reads, not townies. How could someone possibly read 20+ pages of this game and come out with a town read on Koshi and no scum reads? It’s fairly clear he thought he should have one as well, because he offers conversion up as a potential lynch.
I’d love to see what Conversion thinks about that, honestly.
As for the Koshi and me business, Koshi is probably just scum this game because he’s been slinging stuff for a while and trying to just get it to stick. If you look at Koshi’s past games where he plays town he actually tries to figure out stuff despite the high volume of posting one liners. There is no real progression here, it just seems like he’s trying to find things that would throw us off and making it much harder to read the game. I am actually shocked at how many town reads he is getting for this play, especially because they’re completely unexplained as well.
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On May 21 2019 08:09 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 08:02 Calix wrote:On May 21 2019 07:59 disformation wrote:On May 21 2019 07:48 Calix wrote:I am tired myself but I'm happy to talk about whatever thoughts you have You are pretty chill to discuss stuff with, lol. getting kinda late here, but i can be around a bit longer. so head kinda at: there is something wrong in calix <> wbg <> koshi that i need to look at after ive gotten some sleep. i think bc hasnt explained the jock reads stuff so I actually have no idea how some reads in his filter came to be, which i dont like the longer the game progresses. the last page of his filter also doesnt carry a lot of good information. liked him better earlier in the game. Actually I have a question about BC. When I saw his post against Artanis, I thought it was weird, almost OOC, coming from him. Seemed a lot 'angrier' (for lack of a better word) than what I'd expect. (also I didn't understand the part where he says he was protecting Artanis given Artanis hasn't been under any pressure) But I also don't know the guy at all. Is that kind of thing normal for him? [I also haven't paid any attention to him, might go read his filter actually] dont think ive played with him before? maybe he has history with art? but ruxxar noticed the same: Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 06:16 ruXxar wrote: Why the hell are you getting so defensive over a single post by artanis bloody. If you were town i would expect you to shrug at the accusation, but here you write a 200 word essay trying refute the point. Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 08:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 01:53 Holyflare wrote: I'll read ruxxar. His posts strike me as the most gap filler at the moment. You need to follow up on this now or I’m booting you from my town circle You say you find it weird that I “defended” iGrok when it’s more like I provided the only valid perspective that isn’t completely coloured by “he used a bad reason for the only thug he’s done so he’s scum”. I find it weird that even now he’s the only person you’re willing to kill. ruxxar is clearly actively lurking, he basically admitted it twice. That’s more than we can say for iGrok who just straight up disappeared. hm? maybe im stupid and/or blind, but could you quote that?
See his original post plus
On May 21 2019 01:57 ruXxar wrote: its like a circle jerk of the big dawgs preying on the weak. now that they finally calmed down the mice stick their heads out.
He also keeps commenting on activity and how activity makes it hard to find scum. This seems like a mafia mindset, like it’s too hard for him to 1 fake a read and 2 blend in as a lurker cause all the townies are tryharding:
On May 21 2019 02:33 ruXxar wrote: havent played a mafia game where its been this hard to come up with solid reads ngl. everyone being active smart or active gorilla, hard to tell apart day 1.
Clearly the active label doesn’t apply to him though
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On May 21 2019 08:15 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it? No plan. I just thought it would be fun. So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead? That's really the line you're going with lol? Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do... I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. Okay I admit I haven't read all of BC's posts. But I felt compelled to point out how bad the bolded part is. Look at that and tell me that ISN'T the sort of post a mafia makes when trying to avoid voting for a mafia buddy. It has everything. The structure. The inability to concisely say "he's scummy but let's wait and see". The avenues left open. The admission that someone made a point against iGrok. The excuses made to sidestep the point. The 'yeah he's mafia but give him a chance' line that gives BC the option to either vote for iGrok if his posts continued to suck or town-read iGrok if his posts became good. I didn't even scum-read either BC or iGrok before this but holy shit, this paragraph is disgusting.
If you wanna make bad association reads feel free to throw me on the pile because I made literally the same comment on iGrok. This is not the avenue to attack BC for.
Also lynching BC today is not very high value. Yeah, he could be scum, but we’d be ignoring a lot of good evidence and several players much more likely to flip scum than BC.
In fact, if you actually think this, rather than throwing shade on BC just vote iGrok and kill him instead, because we’ll get rid of a useless player and we’ll be able to confirm or deny the association afterward.
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Just FYI, ruxxar can put up a fair amount of bristle as town so if you also share the bad take on “tone” that he’s town, you need a better reason to think so. Here’s an example post of ruxxar showing some fair amount of sass in a game where he rolled and won as mafia, oddly enough with Koshi:
On November 20 2017 07:53 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2017 03:51 KelsierSC wrote:Darth and Ruxxar are probably worth taking a look at. The feeling I get from rux is that he is asking people to justify or explain things that aren't that difficult to comprehend. It felt like he trying to give the illusion of activity. On November 19 2017 20:49 ruXxar wrote:On November 19 2017 07:57 Stanislav Petrov wrote:Lets just lynch Damdred for prodding Oats and backing off immediately Kelsier & Ruxxar look like they're doing scummy stuff together. Though without confirming if Ruxxar's game history is true, I rather slightly liked Damdreds point on dumb-telling. But ofcourse Damdred would know if Ruxxar was town since Damdred would know all the scum through association. I dont like this post. Its cramming too many thoughts into one post where it ends up being unlegible garbage. I'm not even sure I know what stance you are taking with this. On November 19 2017 08:10 Stanislav Petrov wrote: Actually going to revise what I said, Kelsier was behaving suspiciously in his post at Ruxxar, not with Ruxxar. Though nothing says they're opposite alignments either. TLDR Kelsier bad, Ruxxar null. This followup isnt helping when I can't understand the argument you made in the first place. This followed up by asking me to explain a feeling read, I don't know how you can explain feelings. Then again I really didn't like anything darth posted and it felt like he was just trying to mimic thread opinion and almost try and pocket rux. On November 20 2017 00:18 darthfoley wrote:On November 19 2017 21:03 ruXxar wrote:On November 19 2017 19:40 KelsierSC wrote: Maybe because it's the latest thing in the thread but Tumblewood's posts seemed really off and had a jarring effect on me.
"jarring effect"... The dude has barely posted 3 lines in total. Care to explain what you mean? Good guy Ruxx On November 20 2017 00:39 darthfoley wrote: I still don't think Kelsier's explanation of TWs posts have been explained or believable. Like 3 one liners is not enough material to be considered jarring IMO. Makes it sound like a much more solid read than it actually is.
Maybe I'm just roasting the dude over word choice, but word choice matters On November 20 2017 00:37 darthfoley wrote:On November 20 2017 00:31 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 20 2017 00:13 darthfoley wrote: Ruxx and Boson are probably Town Is this “Ruxx is town” echo chamber related to his meta? O feel like Im missing something. I feel like Im missing something. Also, what are your thoughts on Tumblewood and holyflare? I think Damdred's point on ruxx is decent plus his questioning of Kelsier is what i know to be town!Ruxx. TW i always think is scummy and it's the same this game. I only remember one comment by HF about mafia number game setup mechanics which is scummy. darth perhaps you can explain why I have to give a full explanation for my TW read which you don't think I have enough basis for, but you can also read TW as scummy. I probably have darth as my top lynch. I doubt that mafia darth would link up with mafia rux that hard so perhaps rux is ok I just don't think his questions are that useful. Your read was bad and your defense of it was bullshit. Your first reaction to getting pressured was trying to pull up excuses and try to keep your image from being tarnished. Playing dumb is not going to win any townie points in my book.
That post is from Mafia Mafia Mafia
Also, he calls people townies all the time when he is mafia, so as I suspected this is not alignment indicative and certainly not any reason to think he has real reads. In context it makes his reread look much worse because a single town read on Koshi is literally the only thing he came back with.
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If we’re not going to lynch certain people what is the point of polluting the discussion now when we cannot seem to agree on who we want to kill today??
I implore you to look at the vote count and how much of a pain it is to get people to consolidate on ruxxar. If he were a bad townie I’d guarantee this same lynch would be far easier cause we’d probably already have lots of people dogpiling him instead of using bad reasons to defend him or defend him for almost no reason whatsoever (e.g. Koshi, rayn)
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EBWOP: wanted to quote Calix to make it clear I’m responding on BC
On May 21 2019 08:23 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 08:19 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 08:15 Calix wrote:On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it? No plan. I just thought it would be fun. So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead? That's really the line you're going with lol? Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do... I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. Okay I admit I haven't read all of BC's posts. But I felt compelled to point out how bad the bolded part is. Look at that and tell me that ISN'T the sort of post a mafia makes when trying to avoid voting for a mafia buddy. It has everything. The structure. The inability to concisely say "he's scummy but let's wait and see". The avenues left open. The admission that someone made a point against iGrok. The excuses made to sidestep the point. The 'yeah he's mafia but give him a chance' line that gives BC the option to either vote for iGrok if his posts continued to suck or town-read iGrok if his posts became good. I didn't even scum-read either BC or iGrok before this but holy shit, this paragraph is disgusting. If you wanna make bad association reads feel free to throw me on the pile because I made literally the same comment on iGrok. This is not the avenue to attack BC for. Also lynching BC today is not very high value. Yeah, he could be scum, but we’d be ignoring a lot of good evidence and several players much more likely to flip scum than BC. In fact, if you actually think this, rather than throwing shade on BC just vote iGrok and kill him instead, because we’ll get rid of a useless player and we’ll be able to confirm or deny the association afterward. I'm not saying we should lynch BC today. If I did, I would have changed my vote. I just found that post scummy and flagged it up. But I am now more amenable to VE's idea so I may change my vote to iGrok on non-policy grounds. However I need to mull things over first. Right now I have too many scum reads.
If we’re not going to lynch certain people what is the point of polluting the discussion now when we cannot seem to agree on who we want to kill today??
I implore you to look at the vote count and how much of a pain it is to get people to consolidate on ruxxar. If he were a bad townie I’d guarantee this same lynch would be far easier cause we’d probably already have lots of people dogpiling him instead of using bad reasons to defend him or defend him for almost no reason whatsoever (e.g. Koshi, rayn)
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On May 21 2019 08:36 Calix wrote: I don't tend to use meta reads on people I've never played with before. Because if I try doing so, I'll end up succumbing to confirmation bias. If I think he's town and do a meta dive, I'm probably going to just find stuff that confirms that belief. And vice versa.
Much as I'd love to have a brilliant, logical reason to doubt ruxxar is mafia, I don't. It was just when I read some of his posts, I 'felt' like lynching him would result in a mislynch and I can't even explain why. It's completely irrational ><
No one is asking you to meta read anyone. I’m just pointing out that if you have a read based on tone (and you probably do if you can’t come up with a real reason) it is not alignment indicative.
“Meta reading” IMO is not really a thing beyond just confirming whether some behaviour is unique to a certain alignment or not. I’ve tried to make those associations before and I’ve also tried to fake those types of “meta reads” and “meta cases” to get people to just vote with me because I’m confident, but it’s just another piece of evidence in the pile.
I’ve been asking for who knows how long for someone to provide some good reasons to consider ruxxar town, and they just don’t come. For how much he is being defended you would think at least one person would have a good reason. He doesn’t have any scum reads, he is clearly self-aware of not being active while he believes a lot of town is, and he picks and chooses what to respond to despite saying he’s around and willing to answer all questions.
He backed off real quick when I challenged him on the armchair mafioso thing, for example, and when I brought it up again he ignored it again. I get an impression of fear from him more than anything else, as if he spent a lot of time outside the thread trying to figure out how to handle my pressure.
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Calix you calling my train shoddy is the exact type of garbage I’m talking about
Why is it that people are obsessed with there needing to be a “good case” in order to kill someone? What the hell do people even want? If you don’t write a 5 paragraph essay on someone you don’t have a good case?
Here, I’ll regurgitate my case on ruxxar and then I’m going to leave it to the rest of you to figure out what to do because I’m actually tired of pushing this solo. I might be back later but since this is a colossal waste of my time I’ll probably just do work instead.
1. ruxxar is very aware of thread activity and is an active lurker himself. This is despite making some attempts at appearing not like an active lurker (the post about being around to answer questions, but then not really answering any questions of substance-the one response he had to me was pure nothing; an unwarranted town read of Koshi plus a “maybe I’ll kill conversion/see how that goes”)
2. ruxxar is not trying to figure out the game and the most common stated reason he is defended is because he made a supposedly “good” opening post. Rayn’s defense in particular has aged really poorly: (“why would you kill a townie that wants to find scum?” on #367 Someone needs to explain how ruxxar has contributed at all to the finding of scum because that’s either a lie or possibly the worst single take in this game so far.
3. ruxxar’s only real commitments have been to town reads. Specifically, town reading Koshi might be the only thing that he has recently committed to, and he didn’t provide any reasons for that.
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On May 21 2019 08:25 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 08:22 disformation wrote:On May 21 2019 08:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 08:03 disformation wrote:On May 21 2019 08:00 wherebugsgo wrote: Someone is going to have to explain why they think ruxxar became townier with his responses cause I’m not really seeing it. He came back and basically posted a few things that made absolutely no sense (why does he think one of Calix/conversion is scum??) with no particular read progression-he even claimed he read the thread and the only thing that really changed is that he now town reads Koshi.
He also pulled a second disappearing act as people are fighting over Calix again. Why is this such a hard lynch? i mean its not slam dunk (unfortunaley nothing is so far), but a) tone b) like where does mafia come in like "yeah was reading filter for an hour, got these small things, but basically not much, cu". imo the "sry got nothing" is more likely town, as scum would frantically try to have "something" What?? a) His tone is meek. He literally called himself a mouse b) what you mentioned here is more mafia indicative than town!! It’s mafia who aren’t willing to commit to reads, not townies. How could someone possibly read 20+ pages of this game and come out with a town read on Koshi and no scum reads? It’s fairly clear he thought he should have one as well, because he offers conversion up as a potential lynch. I’d love to see what Conversion thinks about that, honestly. As for the Koshi and me business, Koshi is probably just scum this game because he’s been slinging stuff for a while and trying to just get it to stick. If you look at Koshi’s past games where he plays town he actually tries to figure out stuff despite the high volume of posting one liners. There is no real progression here, it just seems like he’s trying to find things that would throw us off and making it much harder to read the game. I am actually shocked at how many town reads he is getting for this play, especially because they’re completely unexplained as well. eh I mean he has a secondary scum read/lean on conversion and also doesnt like jock (though not sure if that means scum). the dawg/mice post was pretty strange though. fairly threadaware (is that even a word?) for his low activity. Think the term you want is 'image conscious' I didn't get the impression he scum-read Jock. The way he worded it made it sound like he found Jock more annoying than scummy, lol.
We’d know the answer to this question about how he reads Jock if ruxxar actually did what he said he would and answer questions.
Rather than answer the question you posed he completely ignored it and responded in a confusing manner, then harped on the confusion making it less likely you’d follow up. Predictably he disappeared before he was forced to commit to anything else.
Credit where credit is due, he’s remarkably slippery.
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On May 20 2019 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote: I’ve got a meeting in 3 minutes.
VE, BC while I’m gone sheep me on ruxxar or explain why you don’t want to
Also define who’s a thread skimmer/lurker this game and rank them on kill priority I'm gonna pass on that one. A) You've given literally no reasoning that I can see for your vote aside from "for that one post alone" which, filtering you in isolation, I can't even see which it is. So... B) I filtered ruxxar and found that his posting seems internally consistent, and relatively comprehensive as far as "what you should know about me" posts go. It feels this side of townie to me. I'm not going to rank lurkers on kill priority, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard what are you even fucking doing?
VE I’m not letting you pass on this take because it, like ratn’s, has aged really poorly
You need to cite some real reasons for why you think ruxxar is town. I find it quite uncharacteristic of you to more or less ignore me and slip away on my main read with such little substance; why wouldn’t you want to have a conversation with me if you want to find scum together?
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On May 21 2019 10:53 Conversion wrote:ruxxar: + Show Spoiler +On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix ok starts off pretty much sprinting out of the gate, calling calix scum let’s see where the leads to On May 20 2019 06:54 ruXxar wrote: @rayn did your opinion on calix change or what? asks rayn if his opinion changes, but like 30 posts ago rayn was ranting about how Calix was mafia? not sure what the point of this jab was TBH.. doesn’t look like he follows it up either On May 20 2019 15:50 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 15:25 wherebugsgo wrote:Jock, here: On May 20 2019 10:44 wherebugsgo wrote:man I hate when I'm timeboxed for decisions. I've got one I've got to make before the 27th and I'd rather just punt it for 6 months but people are impatient /rl rant On May 20 2019 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 20 2019 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote: I’ve got a meeting in 3 minutes.
VE, BC while I’m gone sheep me on ruxxar or explain why you don’t want to
Also define who’s a thread skimmer/lurker this game and rank them on kill priority I'm gonna pass on that one. A) You've given literally no reasoning that I can see for your vote aside from "for that one post alone" which, filtering you in isolation, I can't even see which it is. So... B) I filtered ruxxar and found that his posting seems internally consistent, and relatively comprehensive as far as "what you should know about me" posts go. It feels this side of townie to me. I'm not going to rank lurkers on kill priority, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard what are you even fucking doing? you're right, I didn't post reasons for ruxxar, mostly because I put too much faith in people actually going back to read his only post of any real substance and it being self-explanatory from his entrance. It's quite simple: On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix 3 things that stand out: 1. Doesn't want to lynch active people but isn't actively involved either. In fact there's almost a hidden implication that ruxxar doesn't intend to be active in that statement 2. First 5 bullets come off as "I need to post some reads so I can continue skating by so let me summarize some basics and say things others probably would agree with" 3. Calix vote justification looks forced and justification for the sake of justification. When Calix responded by saying "yeah well, it looks like that way because I'm sheeping" ruxxar's only response was to concede that the pronouns were wrong. The tl;dr is that my read is on the basis of ruxxar’s entrance post plus his reaction to the resistance that Calix put up. You dont like my entry post but seem just entirely fine with calix list post. Of course you do when he calls you town lmao kinda omgusy defense towards bugs here On May 20 2019 16:42 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 16:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 20 2019 15:50 ruXxar wrote:On May 20 2019 15:25 wherebugsgo wrote:Jock, here: On May 20 2019 10:44 wherebugsgo wrote:man I hate when I'm timeboxed for decisions. I've got one I've got to make before the 27th and I'd rather just punt it for 6 months but people are impatient /rl rant On May 20 2019 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 20 2019 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote: I’ve got a meeting in 3 minutes.
VE, BC while I’m gone sheep me on ruxxar or explain why you don’t want to
Also define who’s a thread skimmer/lurker this game and rank them on kill priority I'm gonna pass on that one. A) You've given literally no reasoning that I can see for your vote aside from "for that one post alone" which, filtering you in isolation, I can't even see which it is. So... B) I filtered ruxxar and found that his posting seems internally consistent, and relatively comprehensive as far as "what you should know about me" posts go. It feels this side of townie to me. I'm not going to rank lurkers on kill priority, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard what are you even fucking doing? you're right, I didn't post reasons for ruxxar, mostly because I put too much faith in people actually going back to read his only post of any real substance and it being self-explanatory from his entrance. It's quite simple: On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix 3 things that stand out: 1. Doesn't want to lynch active people but isn't actively involved either. In fact there's almost a hidden implication that ruxxar doesn't intend to be active in that statement 2. First 5 bullets come off as "I need to post some reads so I can continue skating by so let me summarize some basics and say things others probably would agree with" 3. Calix vote justification looks forced and justification for the sake of justification. When Calix responded by saying "yeah well, it looks like that way because I'm sheeping" ruxxar's only response was to concede that the pronouns were wrong. The tl;dr is that my read is on the basis of ruxxar’s entrance post plus his reaction to the resistance that Calix put up. You dont like my entry post but seem just entirely fine with calix list post. Of course you do when he calls you town lmao Your reaction to resistance on your vote vs Calix's reaction are pretty worlds apart. Hell, even the posts themselves are pretty different. When someone cites another post as part of their rationale in a way that makes sense, and manage to do this very consistently, I find it less likely they are scum. You didn't do that, did you? Now, what's odd is that you are calling me out for calling one list post bad, but not the other. You want me to look away from your scumminess at someone else...who according to you, did a very similar thing to you? Anyway, enough about you. The choices I'm presenting people with that aren't you are disformation and Calix. Given that I think your reason for voting Calix isn't valid, and you just basically said both your post AND Calix's post were scummy, I'd like to hear what you think about disformation. Failing that, talk to me about conversion's push on disformation. If you can't do either of those things then I'll narrow the list and recommend everyone just lynch you and you only. So is calix scummy or not? Make up your mind. You say im scummy for reading calix as scum, but now youre calling calix scum also. #galaxybrain bugs makes a pretty big post, ruxxar kind of just shitposts back at him? which is funny because he said we’s not trying to shit up the thread On May 21 2019 01:39 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 00:22 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 00:20 ruXxar wrote: ya know, i gotta give you credit for tunneling hard bugs, at least youre trying. im home now so i can answer any questions you have. On May 20 2019 16:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 20 2019 15:55 ruXxar wrote: I do the same shit when im mafia, playing the “knowitlall good guy mafiiso armchair hunter #1” Then please go ahead and point out such a post in a past scum game of yours. It shouldn't be terribly hard for you to do that if you're telling the truth. Feel free to explain at this point who you'd kill and why. I have my doubts you'll make much sense, though. so i spent about an hour reading through filters to refresh and condense my thoughts. tbh my opnions didnt change much. new development being koshis entry and seeming fairly townish. im starting to dislike jock a lot, his thread presence is annoying and erratic, i wish he would calm down and focus. my scum read on calix remains, though i liked her post on conversion. speaking of: im sensing some fake agression from conversion. might be tryharding to imitate town meta. i could be swayed to vote conversion today. this part is hilarious. bugs wanted ruxxar to talk to him (bugs) about me (conversion), but ruxxar just shits on him, comes back like 5 hours later or whatever and suddenly I’m a scum lean. wtf? On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from. From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment? Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight. In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could. Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing. So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me. Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up. So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation. I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis. Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote: likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again rayn voted: D1 - mafia bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real. gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. if I read this out of context it looks like a townie trying. I think I’m starting to see a little bit of people’s issues with ruxxar— it almost feels like he has a disconnect with his ideas and his actions. he doesn’t seem to engage with the thread in any way, throws out a bunch of reads, and without that engagement I can see why he looks scummy. hmm give me a good night’s rest to sleep and recharge and I’ll reread my thing and some other cases on him (if you could be so kind to point it out some cases, I don’t have to waste extra time digging through the thread)
I’m on mobile and can’t easily point stuff out but just read my last few posts (should be in the last page in my filter) and BC’s last post as well.
The tl;dr is ruxxar is image/activity conscious, never commits to any reads, says he’ll be around but dodged question after question (just look at that response to me that you quoted as a shitpost; I ask him like four questions and to comment on disformation and he just ignores it entirely) and while he seems to bristle a bit this is not actually outside the range of his scum game as I pointed out on the last page with an example from Mafia Mafia Mafia where he was calling bs on people and throwing around townreads like he is here.
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Conversion, I have a lean town on disformation at this point because I find it unlikely he would make certain posts with full information. He appears to just have a style that looks scummy, and at least for now his rationale and opinions make sense to me. He also didn’t dodge my questions and I think he only didn’t respond to you because he thought his ask of you on meta was obvious or something like that and he seemed to be waiting for a response from you on it.
I’m sure he can explain it himself though, at least I’m more confident disfo will actually respond in kind and it make coherent sense than ruxxar would.
On May 21 2019 00:33 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 00:25 wherebugsgo wrote:I'm off to bed now. ruxxar's come back so hopefully he can clear up his alignment for us. I'm not hopeful either way On May 21 2019 00:21 disformation wrote: fuck flood control...
@ conv: i think also wanted to know if you think jock is pants on head town or scum from your pov.
btw do you intend on providing any opinions or only asking questions this game? What player would you kill right now and why? opinions are totally overrated i acutally like your posts on ruxxar (as i mentioned like a few minutes ago), but he just got here so imma wait and see what he does. otherwise sheeping ve and hf on igrok seems decent (as i mentioned a few minutes ago). for conv i want see see what/if he follows up on my meta (as i mentioned ...) for bc i have a town lead (as i posted) but am confused about the jock stuff so i want him to come back and explain (as i posted). ve top town (as i posted)
On May 21 2019 00:34 disformation wrote: also posted a read on jock
so not sure where the "0 opinions" stuff is coming from.
Here’s his double response to me saying I think he has no opinions. This alone on attitude and responsiveness indicated that he is trying to figure out the game and has some sort of perspective but that, as a typical townie, he is not self aware that these opinions are not obvious to outside observers
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On May 21 2019 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah I'm fine with ruX. I picked up reading after his initial post (which I initially townread him for) and he checked like all my townie marks in the first few posts after. I don't want to lynch ruX. Among the things I found were:
Annoyance at being ignored. Annoyance with lurkers. Fluid reads that change as people post. Bringing up people others aren't looking at.
Among other more nuanced things I look for.
Rux not on my radar today.
You need to cite these because none of those are true
when was he annoyed with lurkers?? He said most of the game is active and that makes it hard to find scum which is almost the exact opposite
Fluid reads that change as people post?? Literally the only progression he had was Koshi town after entrance and some talk about how he thinks jock needs to calm down (but no mention of whether that’s scummy)
Annoyance at being ignored????
I’m honestly utterly confused how you could think these in the first place but still think them now. Go ahead and point out each of ruxxar’s posts that show these things, VE, cause I think you’re full of it
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On May 21 2019 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs you're doing a lot of narrative building to justify your reads. Like, I came to the exact opposite read of disfo's filter, it looks like he's FAR more guilty of the things you're accusing ruxxar of and you're making up some shit to justify calling him town and rux mafia.
Don’t dodge my questions VE. Show me where ruxxar complained about lurkers
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On May 21 2019 11:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Subtract the lurker thing and my read doesn't change much, he feels town to me based on my read of it. Maybe I'm just bad or whatever, that's cool. I tend to think not but it's whatever.
If you're town, I believe you that this is a potentially valid take. Like I said though, I'm just not seeing how you came to that conclusion and you still haven't given concrete reasons for these two:
Fluid reads that change as people post?? Literally the only progression he had was Koshi town after entrance and some talk about how he thinks jock needs to calm down (but no mention of whether that’s scummy)
Annoyance at being ignored????
Please point out both of those as well because I just don't see how anyone could reasonably come to those two observations after reading ruxxar's posts. I realize I'm fairly tunneled so I'm basically looking for reasons not to be.
On May 21 2019 11:12 VisceraEyes wrote: I just find it strange that we have the exact opposite reads of ruxxar and disformation...my reasons are based on shit that's here in the thread and your shit is based on "OH HE'S CAPABLE OF THIS IF YOU SQUINT SEE HERE!!!"
Fuck outta here.
This one I also don't get because as far as I remember you haven't said anything on disfo at all until just now, besides that one post you made where you were asking why Conversion thinks he's scum and then saying you'd look into it. What were you waiting for? Have you not seen me asking people to provide opinions on ruxxar & disformation so that we can consolidate on them?? If you'd already come to a conclusion somewhere between that post you made when you said you'd read into disfo and now, why did you wait until I responded to a direct question to put your scumread in the thread?
I can understand withholding a town read but I don't get why you'd withhold a scum read, especially when it's one of the only players who are actively being pushed.
Even with all that said, I myself am not so sure on disformation because I think there are a lot of ways to interpret his posts. If you're confused on why I lean town let's talk it out rather than you just attacking me because we supposedly reached polar opposite conclusions.
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On May 21 2019 11:17 VisceraEyes wrote: jesus now Bugs is typing up a big huge post going OMGZORZ VE SCUM CAUSE HE MISREAD THIS WORD THAT TIME
I'm going to bed. You guys figure this shit out and I'll sheep whoever sounds the smartest. <333
hold on you ninja voted Calix?
what in the hell is even going on
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On May 21 2019 11:30 ruXxar wrote: Bugs sounding like a broken record and repeating yourself ad nauseam doesnt make the genie pop out of bottle and make your wish of me being mafia come true.
It does however make me think youre just a dumb town tunneling. Unless youre scum buddy with calix trying to deflect his lynch(which i find unlikely after your call out post), youre just stuck in the typical town ego trap of mafia read confirmation bias. Your ego wont allow you to back down from this lynch now that youve put so much into it. I see no point why you as mafia would keep pushing me at this point. Thats fine, i get it, ive been there. Ill just ignore you from now on as youre very clearly too deep in the hole to think rationally any longer.
I do want to bring attention to the huge momentum swing we’ve had in activity from certain players. The beginning of the game was a big shitshow dominated by the presence of rayn and hf. Both of which have gone either completely silent(rayn) or currently do not give a shit(hf)
Rayn really outed himself in a dumb way that i dont think mafia would do. He took a what i would consider big gamble by goung full retard. He was on the chopping block for a while but made it out alive. Hes very likely town at this point.
Hf on the other hand, is currently playing a masterful scum game. Hes controlling his thread presence well, but has basically taken no hard scum stances on anyone. Hes wobbling and flaky in his reads and he refuses to take a stance on the main wagons by either defending or pushing them (calix and me). Lately he seems very content with where the thread is heading and is very indifferent to the outcome of this lynch, despite claiming that i was not scum earlier and refusing to make up a fresh opinion. I see no real motivation behind his actions besides his content in letting this lynch play out. HF reeks of scum and is almost certain to flip mafia at this point, summing up the development of his thread interaction, lack of real motivation and indifference to the current situation.
Tldr:
Bugs is dumbo town. Rayn is town. HF is mafia.
##vote holyflare
I respect that this is a pretty bold move, and you're probably going to get a lot of town reads for this post. This post is about to seed a lot of problems and basically derails whatever momentum your case was getting. Bravo.
I don't get why in a million years you would ever do this as a townie though. Like literally no one is going to lynch HF with you today, and everything you've mentioned here requires some serious twisted logic to ignore a lot of reasonable evidence that HF is town, elements of which YOU YOURSELF POINTED OUT EARLIER IN THE GAME. Not only did you throw away your vote, you basically ensured no one is going to listen to you at all for the rest of the game.
like what happened to Calix vs Conversion? That's just dropped off a cliff now? What happened to this:
On May 20 2019 09:38 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 07:39 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 20 2019 07:29 disformation wrote:On May 20 2019 07:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: List of shit because I want to.
Town reads VE HF (god help me)
Mafia reads Ruxxar Calix Disinformation
Null Everyone else where is jock? or are you withholding that read (i am super curious after you asked everyone to comment on it) until everyone commented on it? -.- Anyone else interested that he wonders where my jock read is but doesn't give a fuck that I put him as mafia ? I think that's more a townie mindset? He's not concerned about what your read of him is (something mafia are normally hyper aware of) and is more concerned where you put a figure that people are talking about (Jock). Stuff like that, even if little, leads me to think disfo isn't that bad looking. At least for now, which is extremely superficially atm. just want to put in my filter that this is a super townie post by hf.
and this:
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
???
it seems like you're "progressing your reads" just because some people complained that you weren't doing that and now you're just flailing
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Jock I think conversion is town based on his tone and responses to being called out. He’s pretty self-aware that he’s only focusing on disformation so a part of me wants to help disformation die so he can do other things but actually if you read he is doing things other than tunneling disfo. For example response posts, 775 780 and 787 are all posts that I find would be difficult for scum to fake.
At the moment I think they’re both town though.
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On May 21 2019 15:05 iGrok wrote: Also, "NAI" is a new acronym to me, what does that mean?
NAI = not alignment indicative
Where’s your vote landing today?
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On May 21 2019 15:14 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 15:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 15:05 iGrok wrote: Also, "NAI" is a new acronym to me, what does that mean? NAI = not alignment indicative Where’s your vote landing today? None until I finish reading the thread. VE caught something that no one else did (publicly).
I assume you mean on rayn being afk? Or is this something else?
I actually wanted to see if anyone would note that rayn provided his activity hours in-thread and then never showed up during those exact hours for almost a day. However rayn is on my “ignore till later” list with Koshi
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