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I'm also going to be on a plane most of today. Probably different one than Artanis though lol ##vote: Raynpelikoneet | ||
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On May 19 2019 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Well he instareplaced out of the last game as mafia. If viewed from an 'iGrok bad at mafia, but he try this game in penance" perspective it feels pretty good. Not bad at mafia, bad person maybe. Plane landed last night, passed out, had class from 7am to 7pm today. Reading the thread instead of sleeping, will summarize before i sleep. | ||
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Not all the way done, but first of all - thanks BC for calming people down a bit. I think. Maybe I should wait to say that until I get through the rest of this. | ||
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Shorthand on key moments from them - Conversion hasn't really said shit yet (remember, this isn't all the way caught up yet): Conv jokingly lynch HF HF Rayn is Mafia rayn is passive, therefore is mafia HF says VE's aggro on me is nonsense. Still votes for me, but his logic seems good keeps hammering on me calling rayn mafia, even though i'm not in the thread. honestly i'm an easy target because I've publicly stated I won't be in the thread Calix is scummy VE HF is overreacting Buuuut its ok to kill rayn rayn and wbg are unlynchable Rayn and WBG are unlynchable because they are read generating igrok is blue or red if rayn and wbg are both town, they wil shit up the thread trying to lynch each other. Its been years since i last played with them, but this tracks perfectly with my memory Point for VE | ||
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On May 21 2019 15:09 wherebugsgo wrote: NAI = not alignment indicative Where’s your vote landing today? None until I finish reading the thread. VE caught something that no one else did (publicly). | ||
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It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were: Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well. But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts? | ||
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On May 21 2019 16:23 Holyflare wrote: Scummy: Igrok (literally just summary post with no conclusions yet) Duh. I literally just caught up on the thread in the last 15 minutes, but have been commenting a bit on my thoughts as I read through. How I'm the only one in your scum list, and not in the null pile, makes no sense. | ||
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Partially because I don't have any reads over 70% certain, and partially because, while Koshi's style is spammy, snarky, etc, the points are solid. Even though we don't agree (He doesn't think Ruxxar is a good lynch for example), the spam gives me enough framework to put myself in his perspective, and from his perspective I can kind of see his point. Not perfectly, but decently. Personally I think one of the best ways to play mafia is to establish a mental framework, and then see if what they say follows logically from that perspective. | ||
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And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day. Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there. Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1 Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it. | ||
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On May 22 2019 01:09 Jockmcplop wrote: I join further games in the future when I've got a better grip of what's going on or if there's a newbie game with coaching. The confusion probably doesn't help. Frankly, the confusion never goes away in the early game. IMHO, its all about just (as town) turning yourself into a read-generator, by which I mean you need to do enough that other people can make reads of you. Every game starts out with 0 information, which is why players like rayn love to stir shit up early. Gets people talking, becoming read generators. There's still a ton of time left in today. Plenty of time to leave the thread, go do something else. Go for a walk or something, seriously. Check in towards the end of the day, see how you feel, ok? | ||
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On May 22 2019 01:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And on that happy note, fuck you all for spamming this thread so much. I am still only playing 2 hours a day max and I can't read all this shit > : ( Seriously. I'm pretty close to petitioning for a vote for a post cap | ||
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On May 22 2019 01:47 Holyflare wrote: Igrok are you going to expand on your post about me or just sit in the thread whittling down your limited hours? Not seen any real conclusion about anything. Is there anyone that you haven't accused of being mafia D1? | ||
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On May 21 2019 22:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: iGrok you said but wrote "thoughts" on people who are not disfo or ruxxar, before and after this post. and nothing on disfo & ruxxar. Frankly nothing that disinfo wrote stands out. I still don't have a single thing written down under "key moments" for them. Could be bored town, could be afk mafia, no idea. I think bugs made a pretty good case on rux in #1096. Also, I previously said to review #682 for rux. I meant to type #862, but it was 1am and I misread my own notes. Apologies. | ||
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Well I mean everyone else is and I don't want to be left out. BC is playing Thread Dad so I don't have to be the responsible one. :popcorn: | ||
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On May 22 2019 01:56 Holyflare wrote: What was this supposed to mean as well? Looks like you're giving yourself an out if it all goes wrong. The specific things I think you did that were good were: VE was aggroing me early, you attacked his reasoning but agreed with his conclusion. that reads as townie to me. Mostly everything else you've done is flip back and forth on people. Rayne, me, ve, calix, rux, jock, back to ve/rayne. And usually when you switch targets its when there looks like there is some momentum building against that person. | ||
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On May 22 2019 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck i really want to call iGrok town for that post hahahah ;D So good. Which? Also right now top scum read is HF and calix, followed by arty. least confident is BC/bugs, Key points on Calix: Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also pushes rayn -#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr | ||
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On May 22 2019 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: wait it was ruxxars case........ Fucking LOL - but the tone of disinfo has me leaning town slightly. Only key point is that disinfo sees something reddish in BC. Wait, who all is anti BC? Artanis, disinfo, ruxxar? | ||
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On May 22 2019 02:14 Holyflare wrote: This is so surface level. What reasoning did I use to jump on these people when it was opportune that you did not like or that was not my own original thought? I've voted 2 people in this game even. Frankly the logic doesn't matter unless its either really good or really bad logic, and mostly your logic has been just OK. Actions and context are what matter, like steering conversation, who you target/interact with and the context, etc. And yours doesn't look good. Rayn early when he was pissing people off. then calling rayn passive. then me because I called rayn mafia, after I've said I would be afk for a while and am therefore an easier target. You pivoted to ruxxar as soon as they went after you, you pivoted to Jock when they first started looking demotivated... stuff like this, its not that you changed your mind but the context for when you changed your mind. Really feels like trying to set up momentum... any momentum. | ||
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But like, what am I supposed to base my reads off of if not your posts, my dude? | ||
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On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote: Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good. I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later. HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them. | ||
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Rayn's early game felt completely like read-generation material. The bad VT claim, the aggression, the obvious fake claim (which almost everyone ignored, so... either good job to everyone for not buying it or horrible job for not even noticing it) - he did oversell it later, made it more obvious but like... He called HF on some nonsense, decided he had found some mafia and stopped playing as someone said - but honestly that is such a rayn thing to do from my memory. | ||
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On May 22 2019 04:37 Calix wrote: God, what is with you/ BC and making waffle reads on each other? It's really hard to not pre-flip associate when you two come out with shit like this. And of course your top lynch target is a guy who has no votes or sentiment against him while the second target is the leading wagon! You're not subtle, fam. Uhh... I can't speak for BC but my "waffle" read on BC is because I don't have strong town or strong scum points for him. Please quote a single post of mine in which I have made a strong case either for or against him. | ||
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On May 22 2019 04:42 Calix wrote: No no, I get he's a null read. But instead of just fucking saying he's null, you write a whole paragraph that doesn't need to exist. That's what I have a problem with. Koshi, who I think is very Town, believed that I thought BC was mafia, when in fact I did not. I explained my reasoning for the null read to him, because I want him to understand my train of thought. | ||
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Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch. Don't be dumb, guys. | ||
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On May 22 2019 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote: He's not, he's trusting townread bugs and fearing my skill On May 22 2019 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote: WAIT THAT DOESNT SOUND LIKE BC AT ALL Fuck this is gold LOL | ||
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On May 22 2019 05:57 Koshi wrote: 1. BloodyC0bble 4. HolyFlare 8. iGrok 11. disformation 12. Arty Mctanis 13. Calix My 6 candidates after D1. Bit afraid for Ruxxar maybe? I hesitated the most there. And rayn I don't consider till d3. This is a pretty good list tbh | ||
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I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch. | ||
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On May 22 2019 06:44 Calix wrote: But you had to have known that to begin with. Additionally, we were in the thread at the same time yet you never bothered to ask me anything or make accusations, etc, even though I'm supposedly one of your top scum-reads??? Hell, I even asked you shit and you never took the opportunity to do this, you just responded meekly to whatever query or accusations I made! I haven't engaged with anyone really, because up until now, whenever I've checked back in there's been over 20 pages to read over and process, so I just got my thoughts out in the open, briefly interacted, and slept/went to seminar. | ||
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In your last couple posts, your characterization of me has been both "you never bothered to ask me anything or make accusations, etc" to "you were definitely engaging with me". If all my questions have been asked by other people, and you've answered, why would I ask them to you again? @VE, right now I've got a couple green points on you and one pink (not really scummy but contradicts something I thought about you). I mean if you want me to die then I guess... vote for me? You still think Koshi is Obv-town, right? | ||
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On May 22 2019 06:56 disformation wrote: like. i have no idea whats going on and i am not sure if i want to laugh or cry and then i see the vc and think i should prolly cry. i mean look at that post: "oh right none of my stuff makes sense, let me think about that". is that really a post scum makes? and on the other hand its like nearing the end of a 72h cycle and id like to go to bed in 1h and i have 0 clue where the guys head is at... I'm not saying that none of my stuff makes sense, but that one bit - yeah its important and I missed that connection, and I'm glad you caught it so I can reevaluate before EOD? | ||
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On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote: iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro. Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa | ||
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But then what about what disinfo pointed out? Is HF likely to lean on Calix early if both? | ||
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On May 22 2019 07:05 Holyflare wrote: How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario. Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town. But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this? How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario? If you are going for an easy lynch on anyone you can, you are mafia. If you are mafia, and you try to push an easy lynch on calix, calix is not mafia. If you legit thought calix was mafia, so you tried to lynch him, you are town. Are you with me? | ||
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On May 22 2019 07:08 disformation wrote: ebwop: not 100% something about reading them individually or something? i dunno. im just super like dazzled by the "oh you are right. drops vote like its hot" I don't have an ego, and I can recognize and acknowledge when I missed something. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
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On May 22 2019 07:11 Holyflare wrote: Calix is your scum read, arguably the most you've talked about. Why would I be a DUMB TOWN to vote on the person you think is mafia? You are voting calix now. I am not and really don't think we should be. Why are our alignments opposite? Surely I did a weak push and now we're both mafia??? This reads as extremely fake, I'm not even pushing calix and I don't really think I've pushed calix strongly all game so this indecision about our alignments reads really forced. I unvoted on Calix when disinfo pointed out the logic. And alright, dumb town is harsh? but I still don't like jumping across so many accusation focuses so early. | ||
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If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux. Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing. Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either... | ||
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"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break. I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else. That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat. | ||
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On May 22 2019 08:37 wherebugsgo wrote: We’re not voting BC here, the waffle potential is strong but there are too many reasons to townread him. Ignoring piles of evidence at deadline is not a winning strategy Although I might be the only person who townreads iGrok here so w/e Koshi also townreads me, and I think rayn does but I'm not sure. I also think disinfo probably leans town on me | ||
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On May 22 2019 09:03 ruXxar wrote: cba to put up any resistance tbh. im happy with my day 1 performance. Well that’s just... ugh. | ||
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Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it | ||
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Give me a sec to write why I think him over rux | ||
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ruX quick summary post #811 feels weird -ruxx & disfo? can't be... maybe buddying by rux?? would vote for convo #862 actually takes effort, anti BC slightly #977 -rayn = town -hf = mafia, manipulating - also concurs with my point that HF was looking for wagons #1096 - HF calls rux scum in response ##1102 -Ruxx: hf is acting scummy Hf: youre right, but your scummy for calling me scum. #1347 rux makes good points that are town-indicative So before I went back through rux's filter just now, I only had 3 points on rux. The summary post, the #1096 (which is HF attacking rux), and #1347. But when I went back through the filter, I realized I'd missed a couple things. Like #862, I had that in my internal notes pile but never moved it to external once I looked back at it. I think that was a good post. #977, if you think HF is scum, feels pretty green. HF responds in the #1096 that I'd had before, but #1102 is exactly how I'd feel as well. So when I look back, I realize that my dislike of ruxxar mostly comes from A) me not reading closely enough and/or skipping some of his posts and B) the strongest argument against ruxxar comes from someone that I am now pretty sure is mafia. I also don't think that Calix and Ruxx are both mafia because... obviously. no need to bus here. And ruxx and HF aren't the same alignment, and calix and HF aren't the same alignment. So if at least one of calix and ruxx are town, that means that HF has to be scum. | ||
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Calix and Ruxx are not both mafia, because mafia would not bus a teammate when the votes are close like this. Ruxx and HF aren't both mafia because Ruxxar called HF on some shit that most other people didn't, it was a weird attack when HF was not seeing any real pressure. Calix and HF aren't both mafia because HF looked like he was trying to set up a wagon on Calix earlier. so what this means is: If you think that any one of HF, Calix, or Ruxx are mafia, it has to be HF | ||
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On May 22 2019 10:21 iGrok wrote: Seriously, I think the logic there is pretty straightforward, but to reiterate: Calix and Ruxx are not both mafia, because mafia would not bus a teammate when the votes are close like this. Ruxx and HF aren't both mafia because Ruxxar called HF on some shit that most other people didn't, it was a weird attack when HF was not seeing any real pressure. Calix and HF aren't both mafia because HF looked like he was trying to set up a wagon on Calix earlier. so what this means is: If you think that any one of HF, Calix, or Ruxx are mafia, it has to be HF @Calix if you can find a flaw in this please let me know. | ||
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The weakest of those assertions is the Calix/HF one, because HF switched off calix fairly quickly. Why you're attacking the ruxx/hf assertion doesn't make sense. In your words, "Come the fuck on". Ruxxar's filter is filled with brief periods of activity which go like this: "I'm back, here's a quick summary, some filler posts, bye". H's acting like a dude who doesn't have a whole lot of time to put into writing up stuff, but he is clearly reading based on his quotes in his posts. Not everyone spams like You, HF, Koshi, or VE. | ||
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C OR H==TOWN H OR R==TOWN C AND H AND R==MAFIA | ||
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C OR H==TOWN H OR R==TOWN R != H C AND H AND R==MAFIA Forgot that part | ||
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On May 22 2019 13:18 wherebugsgo wrote: I thought iGrok looked okay but the 1 scum 3 person thing just completely ignored the possibility that all three might be town and iGrok doesn't see any independent reasons for calling Calix/HF town??? like what Yeah, I'm going to ignore the possibility that my two scummiest reads and the current lynch-leader are all three townies, because no one thought that. | ||
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On May 22 2019 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can. He pointed out ruxxar post on bc that was really good. No, that was me. | ||
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Seriously, I remember when LotR Mafia felt like such a huuuuge game. We're 3/4 of the way to its total postcount, including postgame, and that game lasted to Night 7 and had twice as many players. | ||
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On May 24 2019 10:49 Holyflare wrote: Any time you want to share your opinions with the class I'm sure we'll be listening intently! I just got back from dinner, always check the most recent page before going back to review | ||
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On May 24 2019 11:43 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean I got to kill the goddamn batman in my second game ever by coming back to life after being lynched and eating his face. I never looked back bro. Wait, was that Resurrection? | ||
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On May 24 2019 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote: I’m reading it now on the train Lolololololol Ahahaha holy shit that was a great game | ||
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##vote HF So he starts with my fake vote on rayne. I am literally not allowed to discuss that, sorry. HF will continue, throughout his entire takedown piece, bring up my initial rux/diso statement, even when I change my read after reading more. -I'm pretty sure HF doesn't understand the concept of -not tunnelling-, or (as I really think) he's scum. Or both Then he posts my "read" of Calix. The thing about my "reads" is that unlike most people, I'm not making a case. I give my thoughts. a lot is lost when I copy/paste. I'll include a picture of the map, with colors etc + Show Spoiler [blue doesn't mean blue, mafia.…] + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/zCs9KrG.png) Next, HF quotes the same post twice, somehow thinking he's trapped me by making me work after I said I was time limited. This is just... bad. HF is very upset that I called him dumbtown. Honestly, I shouldn't have called Calix potentially dumbtown. I was a little frustrated that I hadn't caught that, if I had more time to focus then maybe I wouldn't have been frustrated. HF also apparently doesn't understand what its like to not just tunnel someone. I hope that one day, I can be like as HF and have 100% confidence that I am always right the first time, every time. Finally, concludes with accusing me of being mafia because I'm not in the thread. The "Where's his head at?" made me laugh. For all his filter diving of me, he still can't tell that I'M AT A FUCKING 12 HOUR/DAY INTENSIVE SEMINAR FOR WORK. As I've said. Multiple times. And no one else seems to have an issue figuring that out. Also, yeah the best vets were basically day 2 monsters. The meta now seems to be to Tunnel someone until they crack, and spam the shit out of the thread, but back then that was the rare exception (Palmar for example). I'm nowhere near as good as foolishness, radfield, Ace, Dr.H etc - but I think a lot of people then wanted to emulate their playstyle. I haven't played in a while, and my plan for any game where I don't know a lot of the players is to be as open as I can, and just convince them I'm town. I believe day 1 is mostly just about stirring shit up, read generation as I said before. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to talk about what my plan was day 1, and I literally can't say more than that. But yeah, none of this was for HF, this is for everyone else. Now, I've got 1 more day of seminar, and then a red-eye flight home. I'll still be reading, and commenting occasionally, but please don't fuck this up. Also, Conversion if I see you in LA, remember, no talking about the ongoing game | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:24 Calix wrote: You'll see that quote again later. It's scummy for the same reason iGrok's response to HF is scummy. He doesn't think HF is mafia and you don't think I'm mafia either. Catching up in the morning, just want to clarify that I do VERY MUCH think HF is mafia, and its weird to me that people think I don't. | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:25 Calix wrote: Lemme put it this way. He lacks any real conviction in his reads. This is like.... The one thing Koshi has done. Consistently called you and HF scum. | ||
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On May 25 2019 02:15 disformation wrote: ended up tripple checking the image hf posted. might actually have an answer that could make sense, but im not gonna post it before igrok responds. I'm back in for lunch, writing up some stuff now. What am I supposed to respond to? I can fold that in to my writeup | ||
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This one's easy, but you won't like the answer. Based on #246, I thought VE picked up on why I fake-voted for rayn, which I did for reasons that I'm not allowed to talk about. VE had 4 hidden hidden points (and still does, after D1 I don't think I need hidden thoughts). Two of those are green. | ||
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I'll see if I can post my full list. Its weirdly formatted in that I'd have to reformat everything if I wanted to post it in TL with indents and colors. Maybe I can stitch a picture. My "confirmed town" reads right now are (sorry guys, this basically dooms you lol), Koshi, Conv, and disinfo. Pretty sure Rayn is town as well, and calix I find scummy but logically dont think is mafia. People are going to pull out one of my first statements, which was the "I'm not finished reading but initial gut feeling is rux/disinfo scummy", but like... I haven't thought disinfo was possibly mafia since he pointed out my logical inconsistency with HF/calix. There's just no way that mafia does that. I get that disinfo still thinks I'm mafia but idgaf, he's confirmed town. + Show Spoiler + There is one possible exception to this which is that disinfo and HF are scum together, but that really doesn't seem likely, so i'm not considering it until I get more evidence. I think Conv is confirmed town because #806 and tone reasons. He doesn't post a ton but when he does its typically meaningful. Sounds exactly like a townie who started strong but is getting overwhelmed with the sheer amount of spam in the game, which I can completely empathize with. Koshi is confirmed town to me because his reads match mine, and it seemed like he was reading me pretty well. He was on my case early, and up until #560 he basically had no meaningful posts. He's never been afraid to call out BS when he sees it, like #2962, pointed out that there was a bunch of doubt being generated about my posting habits. The dude just completely mirrors my thoughts about most reads. I guess now he's leaning me as possible scum, but that doesn't change my read of him. Rayn I'm pretty sure is town because he made what is, in my memory, the most town rayn play: shit up the thread D1 early to generate activity to generate reads, find someone he thinks is mafia, call everyone else dumb for not getting it, and stops playing until he gets another mafia read. The rest: BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is. Bugs I'm leaning town on. HF is obviously mafia. VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet. Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea. Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2. Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum. I'll see about stitching my read list into a big image. Honestly if anyone expects me to spam instead of posting fewer, longer posts, you've never played with me. | ||
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On May 25 2019 02:58 Koshi wrote: Anyway. igrok obv town. But baddies wont listen to me and rayn so w.e This is really funny, don't you think? On May 24 2019 01:11 Holyflare wrote: No, they're good points to pick up on but unfortunately don't mean anything. It would probably be quite beneficial if you read some of my games where I'm mafia maybe? Although that will also be a time when I had more free time you can get a sense of my style. I normally imo just pick up on a point and hammer at it until I get a mislynch whereas town I kinda do that but actually have an ongoing poe with really shit feels and reasoning entwined in it. I also get swayed off things really easily. Unlike this igrok guy who yet again posted an afk excuse. | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:06 Koshi wrote: One can only hope they see the light after you die. Dont focus and arguing with them. Just post opinions and your opinion only. Make it your testament. Yeah, that's why I decided to just completely tune out HF at this point. Just not worth engaging with mafia. Should I even bother doing a stitch of my read list or should I just say fuck it because mafia are going to misconstrue it and get me lynched anyways? | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:11 Koshi wrote: I dont care. Just do it for yourself and look at the results endgame. If you spam dumb shit people do what they want. If you make brilliant cases people do what they want. You play for yourself. Truth. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/B3rA2Bf.png) | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Because his hidden points are no longer hidden? 2 of them were townie? Oh no, hidden stuff is still hidden. So you have 2 more points. in green. Basically my read on you has never been certain. | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah no, that doesn't sound like rayn at all he fucking loves when towns don't listen to him because one of his FAVORITE things in the world is being right when everyone else is wrong. This is the truest thing that has been said in this game lol. | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Then idk. That img is just an incomplete thread summary with SOME thoughts. Not to minimize the way you work iGrok but I really don't see why anyone townreads you for this. That's pretty much what it is, yeah. I fucking hate diving filters, so when I read, when I find a post or interaction that feels important, I list it here. Then I can see a concise player activity summary. I can move around the summaries to put related ones next to each other if I want or just to compare two. Doing this filters out a lot of the bullshit spam that I think everyone would admit this game is full of. | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Then idk. That img is just an incomplete thread summary with SOME thoughts. Not to minimize the way you work iGrok but I really don't see why anyone townreads you for this. Also, see the post above the one you quoted. Please don't take what HF says about my methods as more true than what I say about my methods. You might not think its good/effective but at the very least I know more about what I'm doing than someone else does. | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:32 VisceraEyes wrote: It also makes you miss a bunch of shit. But whatever floats your boat. Yeah but if I need to I'll go back and reread the thread and add new points and updated colors based on context. That's what happened when diso pointed out my logic error for example. | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm definitely not reading you based on HF's interpretation of your notes. XD  Thats basically all I ask lol | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:56 wherebugsgo wrote: iGrok if you are town you need to do a better job of explaining yourself. You’re still getting lynched at this rate because I can’t even read your blurry images so to me it seems like you don’t want people to read what you’ve written, if indeed you have spent some effort on the game. I can’t see a town motivation for that so if you can’t even do the common courtesy of copy pasting that into the thread then there is 0 chance of anyone moving their vote on you. Copy/pasting breaks all the formatting and leaves it illegible. I tried that originally, didn't work. Sorry. If you click on the image, it'll take you to the imgur site where you can see it full size. You may need to click it on their site to fully zoom in, but I promise its completely legible. Sorry but I'm just not going to format something twice. On May 25 2019 03:56 wherebugsgo wrote: We are lynching iGrok today, and you know that if he flips town, I will never lynch HF. This doesn't make any sense. | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:06 wherebugsgo wrote: Good. It only makes sense to mafia who have TMI. Every townie in the game barring you if you are actually town should have agreed with the case on you. VE rayn and Koshi have had all the “correct” reads and literally 0 reasons. It basically feels like they are all channeling Grackaroni from last game. So, since it only makes sense to mafia, and it doesn't make sense to me, why are you still voting for me? Also, VE, please dont do that. Point made. | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote: Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic. God, this so much. Couldnt put it into words but yaaaas | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't tell me what to do sir. We've been begging you to play more and now you're about to be lynched because you didn't. So no, I won't be not doing that thing you asked me to not do. I didn't tell, I asked, I even said please Also, don't I still have another like, 30 hours before EOD? I'm hopeful someone else will realize how bad HF is by then. | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:22 Calix wrote: I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either. Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle. Ok, lets pretend I'm a complete dunce. Some of you seem to think that anyways so whatever. Help me out here: TL MAFIA LESSON 101: What is something helpful that someone has posted this game? Literally any example please. | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:27 Calix wrote: Literally any one of WBG's articulate and detailed posts that cite examples/ evidence and clearly explain his thought process. I know I've not interacted much with WBG's posts but I do appreciate the thought that goes into them. And his point about the VE/ Koshi/ rayn bloc being content to not have influence over the lynch is a good one IMO. Like, I hate to be pedantic, but can you please pick out a specific one that you think is good. Post # would be appreciated, I'll dig it up | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:28 iGrok wrote: Like, I hate to be pedantic, but can you please pick out a specific one that you think is good. Post # would be appreciated, I'll dig it up And just to be transparent about it, I'm going to see if anything I have posted is comparable (in my eyes). That's why I'm asking. Then of course it'll be back up to you again. | ||
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Calix, Conv, me, HF, BC Was very anti-rux lynch, and leaned green on ve | ||
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Going to meet Alakaslam for dinner in LA, then another plane home .I’ll be back before N2. And sure, this may look scummy as shit, but fuck you im tired and I don’t want to read 10 pages of is he - isn’t he about Koshi. You have my reads, most of you either agree but still think I’m shady or think they are bad and think I’m shady, so gfys and keep spamming away. Peace | ||
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What? When the fuck did he say I did that? That’s trash and I’m town | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:38 Calix wrote: Because ignoring all points against you just means they'll hang around against you. Why are you surprised at people wanting to lynch you when you've done nothing at all to refute a giant-arse case against you or show why it makes HF mafia? Because the case is garbage and anyone whose brain hasn’t gone through a sieve can look at the activity that I’ve had, and how open I am about my logic the entire time, and be forced to conclude that I’m either town or mafia with Schizophrenia | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is sure because i am mafia and we (me and you are opposing alignments) and apparently you "claimed" blue. Lol at no point did I claim blue or fake claim or any of that shit. I did maybe hint that I knew your parity cop claim was fake because it felt so obviously fake and is such a rayn thing to do d1 | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: its not fake, how do you feel about it? I still don’t believe you | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:43 Calix wrote: Well the thread is absolutely full of bullshit so you shouldn't really assume you haven't stumbled into the Post-Lobotomy Support Group, fam. Pretend I am three years old and tell me why the case is bullshit. Unless this post is supposed to explain that. If I’m mafia, I have to put in a lot of EXTRA time and effort to fake all my reads. If I’m putting in EXTRA time and effort, why aren’t I being active I the thread, a much easier way to not get lynched? The two don’t make sense | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:45 Koshi wrote: Interesting. And you are gunsmith. Ugh. Weird game. Is gunsmith town only?I assume it is. I am thinking. FUCKING LOL THATS HILARIOUS | ||
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There’s 2 green and 2 null hidden points for VE. All having to do with something that I’m not allowed to talk about. They were all there early, though since I update my colors when context comes around I’m not sure how long the green ones have been green | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:03 Koshi wrote: I am sorry BC. Previous games werent like this. I dont know what happened this game. Yeah, that’s what alakaslam told me last night. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:07 iGrok wrote: So just to be clear, we’re all completely ignoring that HF apparently faked a post by me to include a fake breadcrumb to attack me for falsely crumbing a cop? Everyone thinks this is totally normal town behavior? @rayn? | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:07 iGrok wrote: So just to be clear, we’re all completely ignoring that HF apparently faked a post by me to include a fake breadcrumb to attack me for falsely crumbing a cop? Everyone thinks this is totally normal town behavior? @VE? | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:07 iGrok wrote: So just to be clear, we’re all completely ignoring that HF apparently faked a post by me to include a fake breadcrumb to attack me for falsely crumbing a cop? Everyone thinks this is totally normal town behavior? @BC? | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: unfortunately that's very town!HF thing to do, while not town........  I don’t believe that, but even if I did, that’s so dumb it would be a policy lynch. But no, actually he’s just scum, so Lynch him. | ||
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Then it’s garbage and should be policy lynched. No, actually he’s just mafia | ||
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When I flip, shoot HF. | ||
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On May 26 2019 08:10 Holyflare wrote: Convince me you're not mafia iGrok, I have the power to save you. After 230 pages on D2? Fuck no. I’m out. Gg mafia | ||
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HF became self-appointed mayor and you all just sheeped him. The dude is like “you must answer me, I control your fate”, but fuck that, he’s scum. But since he spans more than anyone else he makes it seem like public favor is against me | ||
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Conv, Diso are town. fuck the mafia pls | ||
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On May 31 2019 10:00 Holyflare wrote: Koshi - 320 average per page / 16 words per post 12162 I know Koshi already owned up to this but god-damn. | ||
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