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On May 21 2019 21:09 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE does on iGrok what rayn does on Jock.
basically they both bring up some really old shit that they can't seem to get past, while townies would holistically look at the situation and incorporate new information as it arrives.
Like they're both basically parroting the same stuff from nearly 2 IRL days ago when there are far better things to look at now. I was literally just about to say that rayn's latest post is just him dredging up the same old, same old.
this might actually be within rayn's town band though.
For instance he constantly parroted the same things in the last game and after he died he was very consistent in the obs thread about how, if we kill grack, that would be really bad or whatever (grack was scum).
I don't think it's as likely for town VE to do this though.
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On May 21 2019 21:13 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
here's the thing that's making me hesitant though
If we're wrong about one or both of VE we get rid of an asset on D1 and despite this being a game with longer lynch cycles that's potentially a big loss
Like, even if they're both scum together there's guaranteed to be a third person that's scum and I think that third person is probably an easier catch than either of them.
In my opinion the world at this point makes total sense if VE & rayn are scum together, but that's too early for me to make that association for sure. What I'd rather do is try and hit that scum hiding somewhere, which we're pretty much guaranteed to have and we're more likely to hit if we're wrong on one or both of VE/rayn. You should vote rayn then. If we would be getting rid of an assett in VE, we wouldn't in rayn.. He has done fuck all useful in this game.
I don't think either of them have been useful so far, but I think they'd both potentially be useful later.
In the end though I'm happy to vote either of them if that's what we end up consolidating on.
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On May 21 2019 21:13 Calix wrote:
Rayn is not an asset IN THIS GAME. I don't give two shits about how good he's supposed to be or COULD be in a world where he's town when right now he is playing like this.
I mean it's not like he can't ever be good in this game. This game has 72 hour day cycles and he's not the only choice for mafia.
Like, last game he called myself, Vivax, Pandain, and FF scum right before getting shot on n1. 3 of those names were town, but I wouldn't say he was useless; he certainly got shot for a reason.
Although with that said I highly doubt he'd be shot n1 if he's town and we leave him alive here.
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On May 21 2019 21:15 Holyflare wrote:I could have been an asset last game 
yeah but you faked a red check on me. and in obs thread you and rayn both essentially said grack was the towniest town who ever towned
Sorry to say but actually you or me dying d2 was probably the best thing that could've happened for town because otherwise we'd end up having continued that fight into d3/d4 (and we certainly weren't going to lynch Koshi or Grack in your stead on d2). And regardless of my ass reads I'm a bit proud I helped with the VE & BC circle and in the end read Pandain & slam properly, and prevented us from lynching Pandain who eventually was one of the deciders to kill grack.
BTW what's your assetness this game? Have you decided who you want to lynch yet?
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On May 21 2019 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing is this Calix thing. There is simply no way Calix considers Holyflare town at the point she does. That always makes her mafia, that, and that only. I don't think she can actually consider me mafia aswell at that point but that's more of a minor point. In one of the last games Calix played, if not last, there was a different parity cop check between me and HF and town (Calix included) chose to NOT vote either of us off (lol) in a no-lylo situation. There should never ever be a world where calix should be that confident of her HF read at the point she came to the thread, regardless of what she thinks about my affiliaton.
I was going to point out that I also viewed HF town at that point, and I guess you were sort of internally consistent in that you called me scum (IIRC?) for calling HF confirmed town there
But at any rate this read is total garbage given that you came to the exact opposite conclusion on ruxxar and he posted this as his first post:
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
So at that point ruxxar should also not have been totally confident that HF and Jock are town? Like why extend this suspicion to every person who called HF & jock town EXCEPT ruxxar?
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On May 21 2019 21:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
going to point out that I also viewed HF town at that point, and I guess you were sort of internally consistent in that you called me scum (IIRC?) for calling HF confirmed town there
you dont have that much history with HF and you're dumb.
look, I don't understand what you want me to do here. I'm actually advocating for you to stay alive another cycle.
On the basis of the game in general just being an enjoyable experience for me I don't know why I'd want to keep you alive if killing you would make the thread more peaceful.
And as much as you are warranted for calling me bad, you can't deny that I have a fairly good reputation for actually getting people lynched.
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On May 21 2019 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
So at that point ruxxar should also not have been totally confident that HF and Jock are town? Like why extend this suspicion to every person who called HF & jock town EXCEPT ruxxar?
because none of the players in this game are the same person. different people saying same things don't mean same alignment because they are different people. this is ofc extremely hard to understand for dumb people.
yeah, this would make sense if you actually had a nuanced read here but you don't. Like, you complain constantly about me not explaining reads and when I explain them in a way that you don't like you call me dumb over and over, but when you do it, it's fine and dandy.
Like your reasons this game have literally just been "I've played with this person before and I think this therefore I'm right". I don't recall you doing that kind of thing to the degree I see you doing here in the last game.
Do you have an actual rationale for why it's within ruxxar's towngame for him to do that and not be scum, and why, according to you, people misread him? Like surely if you expect to convince people of that, who haven't actually played with him, you need some way of laying it out?
Similarly on Calix, since you apparently know her history all so well, why don't you spell it out to me?
And now I'm going to include a sentence that predicts you're going to refuse to do this because you refuse to explain such things to people like me who obviously are too dumb to understand, with the hope that me including this sentence would discourage you from actually dodging like that if you're town.
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On May 21 2019 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
yes you really should re-consider.
also rayn if you really think Calix is 100% scum I don't understand why your vote is still parked on Jock when it is 900% clear that:
1. no one agrees with you on Jock and
2. Calix actually has a fair amount of momentum and switching your vote would be a good way to aid in consolidation on your scumread.
Like hell, Calix is actually still technically the top wagon and lots of players have mentioned that they're willing to lynch Calix. Why not vote Calix then?
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also you seem to townread both Koshi and VE so it doesn't seem like it should be any sort of difficult decision for you???
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On May 21 2019 21:35 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 21 2019 21:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
So at that point ruxxar should also not have been totally confident that HF and Jock are town? Like why extend this suspicion to every person who called HF & jock town EXCEPT ruxxar?
because none of the players in this game are the same person. different people saying same things don't mean same alignment because they are different people. this is ofc extremely hard to understand for dumb people. yeah, this would make sense if you actually had a nuanced read here but you don't. Like, you complain constantly about me not explaining reads and when I explain them in a way that you don't like you call me dumb over and over, but when you do it, it's fine and dandy. Like your reasons this game have literally just been "I've played with this person before and I think this therefore I'm right". I don't recall you doing that kind of thing to the degree I see you doing here in the last game. Do you have an actual rationale for why it's within ruxxar's towngame for him to do that and not be scum, and why, according to you, people misread him? Like surely if you expect to convince people of that, who haven't actually played with him, you need some way of laying it out? Similarly on Calix, since you apparently know her history all so well, why don't you spell it out to me? And now I'm going to include a sentence that predicts you're going to refuse to do this because you refuse to explain such things to people like me who obviously are too dumb to understand, with the hope that me including this sentence would discourage you from actually dodging like that if you're town. Don't let rayn's comments about how 'dumb' you are get to you. He's trying to tilt you as part of mafia agenda. It's nothing personal.
I'm well aware of that, I'm just ensuring I cover my bases so that if he does actually use that copout to dodge, it's well documented in the thread and it ensures he gets lynched.
If he's town he should see I'm lending him a hand to pull himself out of this pit he's created for himself. If he's scum he'll obviously do whatever the hell he wants to do
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On May 21 2019 21:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
WBG have you thought that maybe he doesn't want to be on one of the big wagons for some reason?
yes, but he's here and he'll respond.
Once he responds, if his response doesn't make sense then we just kill him.
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On May 21 2019 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:29 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 21:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 21 2019 21:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
going to point out that I also viewed HF town at that point, and I guess you were sort of internally consistent in that you called me scum (IIRC?) for calling HF confirmed town there
you dont have that much history with HF and you're dumb. look, I don't understand what you want me to do here. I'm actually advocating for you to stay alive another cycle. On the basis of the game in general just being an enjoyable experience for me I don't know why I'd want to keep you alive if killing you would make the thread more peaceful. And as much as you are warranted for calling me bad, you can't deny that I have a fairly good reputation for actually getting people lynched. Look i have no idea what having good reputation for actually getting people lynched has got to do with anything. I dont care if i am lynched or not, i am posting my opinions and regrdless of if they are from page 2 or 100 it shouldnt matter because scummy things can happen on page 2 or 100. I know you disagree with me but i dont have any problem with it. I am calling you dumb because in the game we were mafia i gave you a strategy before i died, a strategy that should win you the game and you shot the only person who was sided with you and you + him could have convinced the third person to lynch a townie, but never you alone when the other two people you decided to not shoot into were 100% town to each other. You didn't even manage to aknowledge you made a mistake there after the game and in this game you are calling my mafia play something it definitely isn't. Okay back then i let that slide. Maybe you are just rusty when you just came back. Then after last game you shit on me after game that you should not listen to me when i voted for mafia the only day i was alive, and you managed to vote zero mafia in any of the four days. Like.... even as a joke that's hilarious. You can choose to believe me or not, i don't really want you to do anything. Just don't act like you're above everything because you're not.
okay, got it, you're calling me dumb because you hold a grudge against me.
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On May 21 2019 21:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like LOL with the thread in the state that it is it's almost guaranteed that mafia aren't even playing right now, it's a carbon copy of last game. Literally the only difference is that I don't agree with Bugs so he thinks I'm mafia and wants to lynch me for it in spite of the most logical thing being that mafia just aren't playing.
Whatever. Figure it out. I'll help consolidate. Don't lynch me. Don't be retarded.
If you vote rayn I might spare you
nah who am I kidding I'll probably try to kill you right after rayn dies
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On May 21 2019 21:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 21:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like LOL with the thread in the state that it is it's almost guaranteed that mafia aren't even playing right now, it's a carbon copy of last game. Literally the only difference is that I don't agree with Bugs so he thinks I'm mafia and wants to lynch me for it in spite of the most logical thing being that mafia just aren't playing.
Whatever. Figure it out. I'll help consolidate. Don't lynch me. Don't be retarded. If you vote rayn I might spare you nah who am I kidding I'll probably try to kill you right after rayn dies Rayn is town and so am I. Try again.
no thanks, the burden of proof on who is scum is not solely on me.
Do you think Koshi is town btw?
If you think rayn is town at least, and are confused at why I think you might be scum, and your intention is to sheep someone smart this game (clearly not me) then why not just sheep rayn?
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On May 21 2019 21:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Only joking.
Why isn't everyone else also voting for rayn.
Top notch high quality lynch right there. Obviously has zero town motivation for any single one of his posts. You're the bugs of the rayn lynch trying to ram it down our throats and I don't think I like this version. + Show Spoiler [stuff that I'm thinking in my he…] + I think you might have a good chance at being mafia in fact because of this. You seem to put weight into people being mafia way too much on little nuances that shouldn't carry that much weight and you have seemingly inconsistent thought processes on say lynching someone to get a view of someone else. I find it weird how you ask everyone for help on reading calix but feel this passionate about rayn.
do you remember Jock's response to me last game about what he thought scumhunting meant? Probably not...here's a refresher:
On May 01 2019 01:38 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2019 01:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 01 2019 01:27 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2019 01:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Suddenly even happier with my decision. Yeah vote me first. Why not? I already have a low enough of opinion of tl.net. First game - mafia - failed to spot it Second game - town - dead first night Third game... you get the picture. I guess I'm a wildcard since I have no meta for you guys to rely on. If you just vote for me you're justified cos I'm new and it saves having to look for scum. I'm not mafia by the way. not helping yourself much here mate. Before I go down that path of lowering expectations/opinions about things, why don't you talk to me about who you actually think we should kill instead of you? If we can't get that far, brushing aside the newness factor, do you understand BC's stated reason for voting you?What's your strategy for finding scum? Yeah he wants to get people talking. I can't think of anything to say in particular though. My strategy for finding scum at the moment is to see who's acting suspiciously, but there isn't much here to go on to be honest.
On May 01 2019 11:23 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2019 10:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 01 2019 10:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2019 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
Oh well nothing more to add really. I think jock is way out of character and the town read(s) are pretty unjustified here. Out of character compared to when I was mafia? You gonna ignore my previous post? You should answer this, and don't even think about skipping any of the questions: Can you define what makes people suspicious? What types of things are suspicious and why would they be indicators someone is mafia instead of town?
Have you read Incognito's guide? What do you think your #1 priority should be if you are a townie? Regardless of your alignment, at your current rate, you should know you're going to be dead. In addition to that, let's see your reads. I have read incognito's guide. At the moment I'm looking for typical mafia stuff, apologetic posting, if anyone has an agenda or is making alot of posts without contributing, inconsistent weird logic. That stuff is suspicious. #1 priority as town for me is finding scum. LOL
On May 01 2019 12:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
BC seems town
He's wrong about me but he's genuinely hunting I think.
FF could be scum. Just turned up to claim town and hasn't said anything at all.
VE is the most blatant town to me so far. His posts are sensible and he's actually contributing.
MZ reads town
Can't read HF
Bugs is interesting. Lots of questions no answers. Probably the most scummy out of everyone, just from the number of questions he's asked people that are irrelevant or pointless.
I don't really have any strong scum reads at the moment.
Seems to me like this isn't really a good indicator for Jock, but could just be me.
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On May 21 2019 21:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 21:49 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2019 21:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Only joking.
Why isn't everyone else also voting for rayn.
Top notch high quality lynch right there. Obviously has zero town motivation for any single one of his posts. You're the bugs of the rayn lynch trying to ram it down our throats and I don't think I like this version. + Show Spoiler [stuff that I'm thinking in my he…] + I think you might have a good chance at being mafia in fact because of this. You seem to put weight into people being mafia way too much on little nuances that shouldn't carry that much weight and you have seemingly inconsistent thought processes on say lynching someone to get a view of someone else. I find it weird how you ask everyone for help on reading calix but feel this passionate about rayn. do you remember Jock's response to me last game about what he thought scumhunting meant? Probably not...here's a refresher: On May 01 2019 01:38 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2019 01:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 01 2019 01:27 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2019 01:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Suddenly even happier with my decision. Yeah vote me first. Why not? I already have a low enough of opinion of tl.net. First game - mafia - failed to spot it Second game - town - dead first night Third game... you get the picture. I guess I'm a wildcard since I have no meta for you guys to rely on. If you just vote for me you're justified cos I'm new and it saves having to look for scum. I'm not mafia by the way. not helping yourself much here mate. Before I go down that path of lowering expectations/opinions about things, why don't you talk to me about who you actually think we should kill instead of you? If we can't get that far, brushing aside the newness factor, do you understand BC's stated reason for voting you?What's your strategy for finding scum? Yeah he wants to get people talking. I can't think of anything to say in particular though. My strategy for finding scum at the moment is to see who's acting suspiciously, but there isn't much here to go on to be honest. On May 01 2019 11:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2019 10:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 01 2019 10:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2019 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
Oh well nothing more to add really. I think jock is way out of character and the town read(s) are pretty unjustified here. Out of character compared to when I was mafia? You gonna ignore my previous post? You should answer this, and don't even think about skipping any of the questions: Can you define what makes people suspicious? What types of things are suspicious and why would they be indicators someone is mafia instead of town?
Have you read Incognito's guide? What do you think your #1 priority should be if you are a townie? Regardless of your alignment, at your current rate, you should know you're going to be dead. In addition to that, let's see your reads. I have read incognito's guide. At the moment I'm looking for typical mafia stuff, apologetic posting, if anyone has an agenda or is making alot of posts without contributing, inconsistent weird logic. That stuff is suspicious. #1 priority as town for me is finding scum. don't even think about skipping any of the questions: LOL On May 01 2019 12:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
BC seems town
He's wrong about me but he's genuinely hunting I think.
FF could be scum. Just turned up to claim town and hasn't said anything at all.
VE is the most blatant town to me so far. His posts are sensible and he's actually contributing.
MZ reads town
Can't read HF
Bugs is interesting. Lots of questions no answers. Probably the most scummy out of everyone, just from the number of questions he's asked people that are irrelevant or pointless.
I don't really have any strong scum reads at the moment. Seems to me like this isn't really a good indicator for Jock, but could just be me. I don't find this consistent tbh maybe. He seems to be valuing other people's reads (eg Koshi) to use as an excuse to be unsure of someone he has voted with at every instance. He just feels a bit off to me.
on the bright side if we kill Jock and he flips town we could just kill rayn immediately afterward right?
I'd actually love to see what would happen in that case
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I'd feel really bad though, and I actually legitly do have a town read on Jock this game.
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sorry Jock LOL I'm just joking about killing you.
Anyway HF I agree with you that it looks weird, there are just lots of other things I've found townie that Jock has said, particularly w.r.t frustration about the game and in general his constant presence in a lot of our conversations, even if he sometimes doesn't necessarily independently contribute much (though he contributed a fair amount on conversion, that's for sure)
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On May 21 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah you could kill me and then kill Calix then cry after game because jock won.
If you think Calix is scum why the fuck would we lose
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On May 21 2019 21:59 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 21:56 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2019 21:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 21:49 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2019 21:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Only joking.
Why isn't everyone else also voting for rayn.
Top notch high quality lynch right there. Obviously has zero town motivation for any single one of his posts. You're the bugs of the rayn lynch trying to ram it down our throats and I don't think I like this version. + Show Spoiler [stuff that I'm thinking in my he…] + I think you might have a good chance at being mafia in fact because of this. You seem to put weight into people being mafia way too much on little nuances that shouldn't carry that much weight and you have seemingly inconsistent thought processes on say lynching someone to get a view of someone else. I find it weird how you ask everyone for help on reading calix but feel this passionate about rayn. do you remember Jock's response to me last game about what he thought scumhunting meant? Probably not...here's a refresher: On May 01 2019 01:38 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2019 01:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 01 2019 01:27 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2019 01:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Suddenly even happier with my decision. Yeah vote me first. Why not? I already have a low enough of opinion of tl.net. First game - mafia - failed to spot it Second game - town - dead first night Third game... you get the picture. I guess I'm a wildcard since I have no meta for you guys to rely on. If you just vote for me you're justified cos I'm new and it saves having to look for scum. I'm not mafia by the way. not helping yourself much here mate. Before I go down that path of lowering expectations/opinions about things, why don't you talk to me about who you actually think we should kill instead of you? If we can't get that far, brushing aside the newness factor, do you understand BC's stated reason for voting you?What's your strategy for finding scum? Yeah he wants to get people talking. I can't think of anything to say in particular though. My strategy for finding scum at the moment is to see who's acting suspiciously, but there isn't much here to go on to be honest. On May 01 2019 11:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2019 10:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 01 2019 10:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2019 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
Oh well nothing more to add really. I think jock is way out of character and the town read(s) are pretty unjustified here. Out of character compared to when I was mafia? You gonna ignore my previous post? You should answer this, and don't even think about skipping any of the questions: Can you define what makes people suspicious? What types of things are suspicious and why would they be indicators someone is mafia instead of town?
Have you read Incognito's guide? What do you think your #1 priority should be if you are a townie? Regardless of your alignment, at your current rate, you should know you're going to be dead. In addition to that, let's see your reads. I have read incognito's guide. At the moment I'm looking for typical mafia stuff, apologetic posting, if anyone has an agenda or is making alot of posts without contributing, inconsistent weird logic. That stuff is suspicious. #1 priority as town for me is finding scum. don't even think about skipping any of the questions: LOL On May 01 2019 12:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
BC seems town
He's wrong about me but he's genuinely hunting I think.
FF could be scum. Just turned up to claim town and hasn't said anything at all.
VE is the most blatant town to me so far. His posts are sensible and he's actually contributing.
MZ reads town
Can't read HF
Bugs is interesting. Lots of questions no answers. Probably the most scummy out of everyone, just from the number of questions he's asked people that are irrelevant or pointless.
I don't really have any strong scum reads at the moment. Seems to me like this isn't really a good indicator for Jock, but could just be me. I don't find this consistent tbh maybe. He seems to be valuing other people's reads (eg Koshi) to use as an excuse to be unsure of someone he has voted with at every instance. He just feels a bit off to me. on the bright side if we kill Jock and he flips town we could just kill rayn immediately afterward right? I'd actually love to see what would happen in that case Don't you think that maybe... JUST MAYBE That's why rayn decide to pick on me?
wait what?
Why would rayn pick on you so that we'd kill him after killing you
that makes no sense whatsoever
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