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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 22 2019 22:34 GMT
#2416
On May 22 2019 22:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On May 22 2019 22:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 22 2019 22:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
LOL

omg ur right this is fun my bad.

Bugs I still PoE Calix, but Conversion dropped in my estimation too so that PoE is weaker. It doesn't make Calix look any BETTER, it just add more Ps to E, making it less likely BY DEFINITION that she's mafia.

I don't have a strong read on Calix, she feels town to me, but not as town as my town reads so she's down in the bowels of my nulls/lynches. It's real simple and I'm trolling you because I never ever ONCE said that Calix wasn't on my radar, at least not that I remember. I have NO idea where you got the idea that my read on her switched.


why does it seem like you have no interest in figuring out the game?

If you townread both me and BC why is it that you never posed either of us any questions?

I've been in here all morning trying to figure out the game. You're ignoring my posts. I haven't asked you questions because you're both doing a DECENT job (BC less so) of putting your thoughts into the thread. What do I need to ask? Why do I need your input?



On May 22 2019 22:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
If you ask me questions that make me think you're trying to build a narrative of my actions then I'm GOING to ignore them, because the narrative is what I say it is because it's my posting and you can fuck yourself. I do the things I do for the reasons I give and that's simply the end of it.



Both of these are very reasonable Bugs. Take a step back. We both tunneled all day through day 1 basically. We were wrong. Much like we were wrong on HF last game. If he honestly doesnt agree with us, and we both appear to be stubborn he will play as such.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 22 2019 22:36 GMT
#2417
On May 23 2019 07:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m going to go and disappear now, back to my place in the scum QT.

If anyone has questions for me feel free to throw them out, I’ll do my best to not miss them when I do come back.


Also, if I had a gun I would positively policy shoot you for this as you keep doing it. For fucks sake dude. If you are town its dumb as fuck to do, if you are mafia its playing against your win con =\

I get it, you are frustrated but shit dude.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 22 2019 22:57 GMT
#2419
On May 23 2019 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
Honestly idgaf if I get policy lynched for trolling about being scum because I have steadily lost a lot of desire to play this game thanks mostly to Koshi.

Like I stopped caring what his alignment is and it’s so frustrating that he’s still allowed to enter games and do this garbage.

I’m going to quote VE here because it encapsulates my thoughts perfectly

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On July 09 2016 07:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't matter I won't be back. I'm not requesting a ban for you this game and I don't knew why anyone but me would. Like you can say it's sad and I'm a drama queen all you want, but it's not just about this game. It's every game you are in. You are a poison element in this community. IF you give a shit at all about this community, stop being a dick every game. You are killing TLMafia.


The maybe 2? Games I played with Koshi back then were a huge factor in me taking a large hiatus from TL Mafia. It actually made me reflect a lot on the times I myself have been toxic, and I really really hope I’ve never been perceived anywhere near as toxic as Koshi is this game, to the multitude of players he’s been toxic to. Like I get it, not getting the lynch you want is frustrating. But this is on another level.

If I ever play here again I’m going to ensure he’s not in the playerlist, and if I ever host again I’m banning him. I don’t actually care if that means I never play here again despite how much I actually like playing with the rest of you, even rayn.



This general sentiment (not just in regards to koshi but a style he and many more do) led to my hiatus for so long. Honestly the only "troll" player I truly enjoy reading is Chezinu because well, its chez. His posts were always so carefully crafted.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 10:21 GMT
#2499
Well, be it vet or Jailer, good work last night. It almost makes up for our screw up D1.

Now let us learn from our mistakes and get this lynch right.

TBH

Based on yesterdays escapades the current people to start the day looking at to lynch.

Myself
Calix
Igrok
Artanis

Possibly add in Disinformation/Conversation. However as much as I know I am town, there is enough suspicion that we need to sort me out as well as the other 3. We have all been accused / still being accused of being mafia so as much as you all have your other reads. (please do share them clearly) Consolidation on a lynch priority barring some new pressing information everyone should be weighing in on this group.

If nothing else it forces everyone to hard stance enough and prevents people from waffling or "appearing" and not actually providing substance. I think we can all agree on this? I hope so at least.


I have posted my reasons already on Artanis. Even with everything that has happened and taking a step back I can still see him bleeding red.

Callix I could see flipping red, however I havent been able to keep a stable read on her all game. I saw her as red based purely on her opening post. There are other posts that reinforce that decision but at the same time there are a ton that I see being made specifically from the mindset from someone who is town. Given that my biggest reason for ever seeing her as scum was basically the same reason I saw ruxxar as scum I would say she is a lower priority to kill than the me/igrok/artanis group.

Igrok. I really haven't spent much time on him. Going to go do that now, but I will honestly say based on everything I can currently remember from day 1. The worst thing he did was the weird association between HF/Ruxxar/Calix?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 10:51 GMT
#2535
I know this will likely damn me but whatever.

I am looking into Igroks filter. Opening a post and reading the thread around it for context and I just dont see it. He is actively trying to figure the thread out IMO and his reads do appear to change based on how the thread progresses. Again, he can easily be fooling me but I just don't see how he priority in lynching at this moment in time.

As such

##vote artanis
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 11:01 GMT
#2542
Once he returned to the thread (after the first his flight) He has been fairly active in the thread. At least by say, my standards.

Like, I am clearly able of being wrong given HF last game and ruxxar this game. But I just don't see Igrok as scum at this moment. His activity is similar to my own (so if that means im scum go for it) and he looks to be trying to figure out the game.

Not going to judge igrok for that sentiment though if we arent going to also damn every other player who has borderline rage quit the game for similar behaviour.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 11:02 GMT
#2543
On May 23 2019 19:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I kinda hope I'm Artanis' lynch preference. Because I'm gonna stonewall him if I am, like hard.


Barring some weird change I think hes going to continue on me so you know.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 11:13 GMT
#2550
On May 23 2019 20:05 Calix wrote:
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On May 23 2019 20:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Once he returned to the thread (after the first his flight) He has been fairly active in the thread. At least by say, my standards.

Like, I am clearly able of being wrong given HF last game and ruxxar this game. But I just don't see Igrok as scum at this moment. His activity is similar to my own (so if that means im scum go for it) and he looks to be trying to figure out the game.

Not going to judge igrok for that sentiment though if we arent going to also damn every other player who has borderline rage quit the game for similar behaviour.


I don't understand this post. Nobody is scum-reading you or iGrok based on activity yet most of this post talks about activity like it's AI.

As for the only thing in this post that would actually be AI, can you point us to the 'figuring out the game' posts iGrok has, in your opinion, made?


Do you even read the thread? VE literally just used the reason of "complained about thread and fucked off"


As for posts

On May 21 2019 16:31 iGrok wrote:
Man, I'm out of practice. I really want to feel like calix is mafia, but I can tell if its because she is making bad aggro on me and I'm overreacting.

It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were:

Calix
HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good
-Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum
stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons
Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy
Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad
BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more?

Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well.

But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts?


On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote:
alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.

And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.

Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.

Some hidden thought counts for future use:
BC:1
WBG:2
HF:2
VE:4
Rux:1

Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.

On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote:
Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions

On May 22 2019 04:36 iGrok wrote:
@VE I've been away for a while but my read on rayn fits perfectly with my memory of him. I thought you had caught onto it earlier, said as much too, but I guess not?

Rayn's early game felt completely like read-generation material. The bad VT claim, the aggression, the obvious fake claim (which almost everyone ignored, so... either good job to everyone for not buying it or horrible job for not even noticing it) - he did oversell it later, made it more obvious but like...

He called HF on some nonsense, decided he had found some mafia and stopped playing as someone said - but honestly that is such a rayn thing to do from my memory.

On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.

"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.

I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.

That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.

#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 11:19 GMT
#2553
On May 23 2019 20:07 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 19:34 Calix wrote:
Lo and behold!

I predicted people would call me town/ back off when I got back into the thread.

And now Koshi and VE have done exactly that!

Callix I could see flipping red, however I havent been able to keep a stable read on her all game. I saw her as red based purely on her opening post. There are other posts that reinforce that decision but at the same time there are a ton that I see being made specifically from the mindset from someone who is town. Given that my biggest reason for ever seeing her as scum was basically the same reason I saw ruxxar as scum I would say she is a lower priority to kill than the me/igrok/artanis group.


Meanwhile BC comes out with a 'read' on me which is so vague it might as well not exist. What posts does he refer to? What is the thought process? I see none, only vague wankery.

In fact, BC's #2499 doesn't say anything!

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On May 23 2019 19:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Well, be it vet or Jailer, good work last night. It almost makes up for our screw up D1.

Now let us learn from our mistakes and get this lynch right.

TBH

Based on yesterdays escapades the current people to start the day looking at to lynch.

Myself
Calix
Igrok
Artanis

Possibly add in Disinformation/Conversation. However as much as I know I am town, there is enough suspicion that we need to sort me out as well as the other 3. We have all been accused / still being accused of being mafia so as much as you all have your other reads. (please do share them clearly) Consolidation on a lynch priority barring some new pressing information everyone should be weighing in on this group.

If nothing else it forces everyone to hard stance enough and prevents people from waffling or "appearing" and not actually providing substance. I think we can all agree on this? I hope so at least.


I have posted my reasons already on Artanis. Even with everything that has happened and taking a step back I can still see him bleeding red.

Callix I could see flipping red, however I havent been able to keep a stable read on her all game. I saw her as red based purely on her opening post. There are other posts that reinforce that decision but at the same time there are a ton that I see being made specifically from the mindset from someone who is town. Given that my biggest reason for ever seeing her as scum was basically the same reason I saw ruxxar as scum I would say she is a lower priority to kill than the me/igrok/artanis group.

Igrok. I really haven't spent much time on him. Going to go do that now, but I will honestly say based on everything I can currently remember from day 1. The worst thing he did was the weird association between HF/Ruxxar/Calix?


Let's go through this.

He points out the obvious lynch candidates then adds a pointless paragraph about how we need to sort him out as well. This doesn't need to exist, it's basically theory that anyone can spout.

Still has Artanis read which hasn't changed, k.

Vague AF read on moi.

Wants to filter iGrok and takes two sentences to say 'I have no actual read on this dude'.

This really did not need to be a wall post.


I do not think mafia!Calix draws attention to herself like this if people are moving off her?

I can dive I guess. what’s the case against Calix?


Purposely drawing attention to yourself tbh isn't a Town indicator. Anyone can do it regardless of alignment.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 11:23 GMT
#2555
You don't need to agree with it. I am merely stating my view of it. However in terms of quality / content type you should at least sympathize given your entry to the thread was comparable to that.

My issue with your view of it is that you had to have that pointed out to you. Especially after he was going to reconsidering his read on you.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 11:31 GMT
#2558
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 11:49 GMT
#2568
On May 23 2019 20:34 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 20:30 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 23 2019 19:45 Calix wrote:
On May 23 2019 19:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 23 2019 19:41 Calix wrote:
I may be willing to switch to iGrock if we can lynch hf/artanis if he flips town.


People need to stop saying shit like this.


Why?


Because if iGrok/ HF/ Artanis are all town then you're basically locking in several mislynches. And if people vote for X so they can lynch Y tomorrow it makes them less willing to re-evaluate their reads.

Also you should vote for people you think are mafia, not just compromise on reads so you can get a lynch you want the next day...when your reads on the people you want lynched will most likely change in that time...therefore making the whole process really dumb.


I mean at the risk of being too open about this i was JUST told that in mafia people say one thing and then do something different at EoD, but then people treat my word as fucking gold when I suggest something with about 65 hours left in the day that I might not want to do but would get me information if people respond to it.

Make your bloody minds up.


I don't wanna be snarky but:

A) Different people have different ways of viewing and playing the game. Much like how everyone has a different view of the world around them. There's no One True Way of playing as town or mafia because everyone has different ideas of what is townie and scummy. If everyone did agree on these things then the game would be super boring.

B) You're currently IN the mafia game. For all you know, the people telling you this stuff could be wording things in a way to make you agree with them for whatever reason. You can't necessarily take us at our word, lol.

Even this post could be worded in such a way as to push an agenda. If you want to ask about basic stuff like roles then you can trust the answer but your questions are about more subjective things so...expect different answers that may or may not truly reflect the person's views.

Hope that makes sense.



Like Calix just going to say. For you to post this, then

On May 23 2019 20:38 Calix wrote:
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On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game.


I already did that and you didn't say what posts or why exactly they made you change your mind. I'm asking the question to get you to stick to something more concrete than 'well I changed my mind', thus making it harder for you to be slippery and changeable with your reads if you ARE mafia.

Making snide comments about the level of effort I am putting in won't change that fact, mate.


So to defending yourself via "this is how I play" to then attack someone for "this is how I play" basically is umm, a hypocritical move? Just saying
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 12:02 GMT
#2576
Calix I don't know if you are purposely being dense. Read the thread. Outside of possibly you, I think I have explained basically all my scum reads and the reasoning for them? Regardless of whether or not you agree with my logic? Fuck I even have explained town reads, reasonings to give people the chance to post so I can get reads.

Like what world do you live in where you don't remember or seem to remember events that have happened in the thread?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 12:15 GMT
#2584
On May 23 2019 21:07 Calix wrote:
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On May 23 2019 21:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Calix I don't know if you are purposely being dense. Read the thread. Outside of possibly you, I think I have explained basically all my scum reads and the reasoning for them? Regardless of whether or not you agree with my logic? Fuck I even have explained town reads, reasonings to give people the chance to post so I can get reads.

Like what world do you live in where you don't remember or seem to remember events that have happened in the thread?


I do not understand why it is so hard for you to just answer the damn question instead of calling me 'lazy', 'hypocritical' and 'dense'. How helpful!

If you're going to dodge that, then lemme ask you this. Do you think this interaction I've had with you makes me more likely town or mafia? I will leave you be if you answer this.

I'm not accepting 'null', or a bunch of waffle, or attacks on my character, as an answer.



Honestly? All your interactions with me I extremely dislike. Which makes me lean scum. However, I still prefer my artanis read so my vote stays there.

and before you go "but why does it make me seem scum"

If you are town, you would have at least attempted to think why I would be playing the way I do. hell me quoting your post is a direct link to that

A) Different people have different ways of viewing and playing the game. Much like how everyone has a different view of the world around them. There's no One True Way of playing as town or mafia because everyone has different ideas of what is townie and scummy. If everyone did agree on these things then the game would be super boring.

Me explaining 100% a town read isnt something I am going to do all the time. Especially when I am worrying about a scum read.

B) You're currently IN the mafia game. For all you know, the people telling you this stuff could be wording things in a way to make you agree with them for whatever reason. You can't necessarily take us at our word, lol.

You clearly haven't been paying attention to things I have said or have been ignoring it hense my other comments. IE why would I think explaining things to you would reach you in any way when you clearly haven't been agreeing or taking me at my word previously?

Again. Would you prefer me calling you dense or scum? Because Im starting to lean scum
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Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 12:18 GMT
#2585
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.

"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.

I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.

That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.


Literally posted this pages ago =\
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 12:31 GMT
#2592
On May 23 2019 21:21 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 23 2019 21:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.

"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.

I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.

That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.


Literally posted this pages ago =\


Why does he do this if he still scum reads calix after it? Why unvote calix?


Similar reasons to Ruxxar not really trying to dissuade people from voting for him?

Like, I do see where you are coming from but if you arent 100% on a read and fear it might hit town (who could very well by lynched) why wouldnt you remove said vote if it could save them.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 12:34 GMT
#2593
I am now heading to bed though, ill be back when i wake up.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 20:15 GMT
#2878
For conversion as he asked me why I stuck to my initital scum read of Artanis. Note that what I am posting Isn't just the first thing it is what makes me keep my read after taking a step back.

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On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1. Shitty entrance:
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On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
BC is on my radar.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.

As I am just finishing the catch up so far.

Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.

Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.

A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players?

Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront

On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.

HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.

I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.

Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.

(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)

##vote raynpelikoneet


this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.

Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy.

VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.

Says basically nothing.

Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.

On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Rayn, what was the plan behind it?

No plan. I just thought it would be fun.


So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?

That's really the line you're going with lol?

Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...

I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.


Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??

It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.

In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed:

Rayn - Null - possible town
HF - null to scum
Jock - null to scum
And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it.


2. Shitty followup as shown by RuX:
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On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:
On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.

From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?


Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight.

In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could.

Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up.
Disinformation? same basic thing.

So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.

Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up.

So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.





On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.

- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.

- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.

##Vote calix

On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation.

I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis.

Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues.
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On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again

rayn voted:
D1 - mafia

bugs voted:
D1 - town
D2 - town
D3 - town
D4 - town

i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real.


gonna vote for mafia again.
##vote Calix


When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first.

On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.

As I am just finishing the catch up so far.

Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.

Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.

Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront

On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.

HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.

I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.

Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.

(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)

##vote raynpelikoneet


this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.


3. Super aggro posting as he often does in scum games:
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On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
This thread is such a clusterfuck.

Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar.

I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours?

Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten?

This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus.

and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong.

This post is particularly funny as he shits on the thread whilst not producing any alternatives himself.

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On May 21 2019 20:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove.

On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons

A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all
B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.

Basically hes a good cop check?


Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red.


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On May 21 2019 20:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote:
of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs.
actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds.



So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return.

Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town?

You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit?


4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him:
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On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.

Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.

If hes not who we decide to lynch.

At this point id still be down for

Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.

I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities

All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him.

5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all.

Pls kill.




This is the main post. I posted reasoning in thread before as to why however for the coles notes.

He completely misinterprets my meta and should know better, cherry picks posts to make a false narrative and then lies about things I have done. Like, I can't see past that personally and I tried. I just can't see town doing all of those things.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 20:23 GMT
#2881
Do you think Artanis is town Disinformation? Cause you just said you didnt. As such I find it pretty odd that your biggest upside to him is a case on me.

Like, you even removed one of his "core" points on your rehash. Also not sure why people keep saying my reads go unexplained as I have explained various reads throughout the game. More importantly its not like any of the ones I haven't fully explained is a thing only im guilty of. So whatever.

People want to lynch me for a false narrative created by a scum, being brought up repeatedly by someone else that could be scum / bad town go for it =\
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 20:27 GMT
#2883
I am like 100% certain I never scumread Koshi. Which means you aren't reading my filter. So If you can find the posts (as I just filter dived myself and can't find them) I will concede to your points and not even fight a lynch if people say I'm scum
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