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I'm here for a bit, in and out.
@VE
On May 22 2019 23:28 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 23:15 disformation wrote:On May 22 2019 23:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
disformation do you have thoughts on Artanis? Your filter doesn't give me much of a hint. sure. didnt have much posts going early game, but nothing screamed scum to me. came in with the good bc stuff, which i gave him a lot of town points for. didnt mind his other posts as far as i can recall. now i am a bit miffed and not sure if I wasnt a bit to hasty with the town points. prolly just irritated at him leaving me out. What do you think about the fact that he goes from townreading me to scumreading me based on me not joining his BC wagon? He claims that it's suspicious because I liked his case, and I'll admit that I did jokingly assent to ONE point in his case, but these were the other posts that Artanis is conveniently leaving out... Initially in response to Artanis' case Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ya I'm okay with BC honestly Artanis, the posturing and strawmen you mentioned in your first point about HF and rayn bidness just kinda feels like the way townBC thinks about the game. Trying to draw a line between the way townHF ended up playing last game and the way he's playing this game. Dunno I'm not seein what you see there. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from. After his SECOND appearance to come in and focus on BC to exclusion. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 02:13 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 22 2019 02:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 22 2019 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ur good carry on I said.
So Cilax, assuming an answer you like and you think she's town, who's your next target Artanis? I still want to lynch the Cobbler but I doubt that's happening today. Need to go through the lurkers. Ya you're seeing something rayn and I aren't right now - you may get it done later but I don't think it's happening today. Here's where I jokingly say I'd lynch BC, though I guess Artanis didn't think it was so obviuos? It seemed obvious to me. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:51 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 22 2019 04:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Here, I'll show how.
##Vote BloodyC0bbler
Just copy and paste that in the vote thread. I..... I want to do it just because now it's a thing. That's bad I know but..... I wanna do it. Should we? Should we lynch BC? Oh wait I even said it was a joke. XD Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
LAWL I'M JUST KIDDING OF COURSE I'M NOT GONNA DO IT
am I?
God I hope a decent wagon doesn't form or I'll be put to the TEST BRUH Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's not, he's trusting townread bugs and fearing my skill Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
WAIT THAT DOESNT SOUND LIKE BC AT ALL I guess I can see how this LAST two post interaction could be construed as "agreeing with BC's case" if you squint, but the fact remains that I consistently say I'm not into lynching BC this phase. Consistently. But somehow I'm suspicious for not lynching BC this phase? shawhaaaaaaaaa?
Yes, those last two posts are what made me believe that you agreed with my case on BC. It was also the last thing you said about him, and you then proceeded to completely ignore it which sets off some serious alarm bells.
On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Uhh what?
On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:BC is on my radar. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players? Show nested quote +Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy. Show nested quote +VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far. Says basically nothing. Show nested quote +Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it? No plan. I just thought it would be fun. So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead? That's really the line you're going with lol? Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...  I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed: Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it.
My first post espousing suspicion on BC. Unless you count this weaksauce as suspicion:
On May 20 2019 14:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I also want more out of Artanis, Igrok and Koshi. But they are all players id like substance of some sort to make an opinion on either way given that they are basically all non posters atm
He didn't say anything about me until I cased him.
On May 23 2019 00:08 Koshi wrote:
Calix
BC
Artanis
I like that more I think.
Man I must be really good at bussing.
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I do actually think VE might be town though. Him trying to talk down people on points he thinks are weak on me whilst still scumreading me comes off pretty genuine and I dnu why he wouldn't just pile up on me with thread sentiment against me.
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On May 23 2019 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 04:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I do actually think VE might be town though. Him trying to talk down people on points he thinks are weak on me whilst still scumreading me comes off pretty genuine and I dnu why he wouldn't just pile up on me with thread sentiment against me. Okay who do you think is mafia?
WBG maybe? His thread policing without really taking any hard stances himself feels like he's just keeping his options open right now. He's also just pointing out a bunch of things without following up on his thoughts.
On May 22 2019 23:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
wait, me, Artanis, and BC all called VE scum...
hmm
Okay, what are you doing with this?
On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Was untrue, didn't check and just checked out. I need to dig into him further though.
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On May 23 2019 05:13 disformation wrote:this. around-ish but pretty tired. tbh dont think me looking at filter is gonna yield anything productive rn.
Where are you at on WBG?
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On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG.
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On May 23 2019 12:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
I WANT TO GET OFF MR BONE'S WILD RIDEIt's daytime!!! I hope you're all excited for the sun to be out for basically ever. I'm not so I'll be in here, try not to get any blood on my stuff.
Nobody died.It is now day time. Please remember to vote in the voting thread. --VOTING THREAD HERE--
Another reminder that this game's timecycle invites the thread to balloon out of control. For the sake of everyone reading the game, please try to condense the multi-posting to fewer or preferrably 1 post.
until Night 2. (Sunday, May 26 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)) remember that voting is mandatory.
Yay
On May 23 2019 14:56 Jockmcplop wrote:
##vote artanis
On May 23 2019 19:33 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote Artanis
On May 23 2019 19:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis[xp]
Boo.
On May 23 2019 19:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
##vote Artanis
zzz
Hi friends and less friendly people.
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On May 23 2019 20:03 Conversion wrote:holy shit I’m a devourer! U carriers can eat shit Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 19:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Confirmed town:
Jockmcplop
Town:
Holyflare
Conversion
Koshi
Townish:
Raynpelikoneet
Null:
iGrok
wherebugsgo
Scummish:
Calix
VisceraEyes
Lynch with fire:
The Cobbler
AMA. can U explain ur town read on me at this point in time? u made one post on me so im curious
On May 22 2019 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually like Conversion's filter and not at all for its contents but for its passion. I feel he believes in his read and do not wish to lynch this man today. He really should calm down though. His tunnel is too strong for me to trust that he's representing Disfo's filter accurately. His comparative filters are more than a year old but just the fact that he's filter diving old games makes me townread him pretty confidently.
This was the post I made on you and I haven't looked back at you since. I don't consider inactivity alignment indicative so there's not really been anything that changed my mind, though I find myself begrudgingly liking some of BC's recent posts which annoys me greatly.
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On May 23 2019 19:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I kinda hope I'm Artanis' lynch preference. Because I'm gonna stonewall him if I am, like hard.
Why you gotta be like this bb
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On May 23 2019 20:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hi all. This might be my only post before I go to bed today. I'm not sure there was any indication anybody read my last post but I recommend you all to read it.
For this analysis, unless explicitly mentioned, when I talk about "player(s)" I will not include myself.
A lot of players, myself included, seem very confused about the state of this game. However, every player has taken at least one hard stance on their own merits, all with their own reasons...except for three players.
One of those three players is on the lynch list for today. The other two are "off-world" reads that only two, maybe three players have really at any point scumread.
I don't know how I feel about that yet but thought I would throw this observation in the thread. Anyone who can correctly identify which 3 players I am talking about, cases and votes one of them without waffling wins town points in my book.
Hi Bugs, I think I want to lynch you.
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First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well.
The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them.
On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game.
The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best.
As for why WBG:
Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied:
On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC:
On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement.
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me insteadLastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement.
On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG. Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you. If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it.
"Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!"
The focus is much more defensive and closed.
Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines.
##Vote wherebugsgo
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Also HF I saw you and I'll check out iGrok sometime today or tomorrow but please check out WBG.
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Hi friends, I'm here for like half an hour.
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On May 24 2019 05:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:For conversion as he asked me why I stuck to my initital scum read of Artanis. Note that what I am posting Isn't just the first thing it is what makes me keep my read after taking a step back. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:1. Shitty entrance: Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:BC is on my radar. On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players? Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far. Says basically nothing. Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it? No plan. I just thought it would be fun. So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead? That's really the line you're going with lol? Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do... I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed: Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it. 2. Shitty followup as shown by RuX: Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from. From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment? Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight. In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could. Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing. So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me. Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up. So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation. I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis. Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again rayn voted: D1 - mafia bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real. gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first. On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. 3. Super aggro posting as he often does in scum games: Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
This thread is such a clusterfuck.
Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar.
I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours?
Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten?
This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus.
and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong. This post is particularly funny as he shits on the thread whilst not producing any alternatives himself. Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove. On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons
A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all
B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.
Basically hes a good cop check?
Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red. Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote:
of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs.
actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds. So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return. Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town? You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit? 4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him: Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him. 5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all. Pls kill. This is the main post. I posted reasoning in thread before as to why however for the coles notes. He completely misinterprets my meta and should know better, cherry picks posts to make a false narrative and then lies about things I have done. Like, I can't see past that personally and I tried. I just can't see town doing all of those things.
Your meta is that you are aggro as scum, no? The examples I posted show that you've been aggro this game, and your reaction to my scumread of you was a continuation of that.
Cherry picking to make a false narrative in what way? You've been aggro at the time I made my case and afterwards, though not as much today (which is, again, part of why I've been re-evaluating you).
When did I lie about anything you did?
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On May 24 2019 06:24 Holyflare wrote:
Really dislike the non-eu friendly deadline when most of the game is EU though, makes voting info a bit pointless for a lot of people.
Seconded so hard.
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On May 24 2019 06:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hi friends, I'm here for like half an hour. Why did you lie about bc being angry or some such meta?
BC being angry is mafia BC. I feel that during portions of this game he has been quite angry.
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On May 23 2019 22:06 wherebugsgo wrote:here's my response to Artanis since I was bored. Feel free to ignore this post if you think you will get any of my reads for today, because it contains none. I'm off to bed in a couple of hours and I'll be back in the morning. + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia." Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me insteadLastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG. Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you. If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo nice try but too much stretch. You might want to reread what I said, slower this time, and take it at face value rather than assuming I'm scum before reading it. 1. This hinges on me remembering one thing wrong, and then admitting that I was wrong, being a scumtell. Of course that's silly, unless you expect town me to have a photographic memory. All this while I am lying in bed, phoneposting, about to fall asleep, wondering what to think about something weird I remembered. Don't believe me? Check the time stamp. 2.The second post proves I am not lying that my best recollection was that your first read of BC was when you cased him. What proof? The fact that I wrote "before Artanis cased him" when I woke up and again checked the thread. 3. It feels to you like I'm trying to stay above the discussion because I literally said that's my intention. I don't want to be an active participant in the thread today because being an active participant in the thread yesterday was not helpful for me to solidify enough reads, and today I want to see who takes hard stances without me convincing them to take hard stances, cause that's not really a hard stance if it's me convincing them.
1. It's not the admittance that you're wrong being a scumtell, it's how you go about it. Tonal like I said, which was very different from how HF replied.
2. I am not saying you're lying about not remembering. I'm saying that you missing a crucial detail like that when I've been on your case this game already, and BC being one of your top townreads means I find it weird you'd miss it as town, and find it more likely you simply don't care as much because you already know our alignments.
3. I can see it from that angle. Nevertheless, it's an easy strategy to apply as scum.
Lastly, for bonus points, I decided I'd respond to this too: Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 23 2019 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 04:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I do actually think VE might be town though. Him trying to talk down people on points he thinks are weak on me whilst still scumreading me comes off pretty genuine and I dnu why he wouldn't just pile up on me with thread sentiment against me. Okay who do you think is mafia? WBG maybe? His thread policing without really taking any hard stances himself feels like he's just keeping his options open right now. He's also just pointing out a bunch of things without following up on his thoughts. On May 22 2019 23:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
wait, me, Artanis, and BC all called VE scum...
hmm Okay, what are you doing with this? On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Was untrue, didn't check and just checked out. I need to dig into him further though. 1. "without really taking any hard stances" <- right, I didn't take any hard stances when I moved mountains at EOD to get four people to sheep me on my read of ruxxar, in order to, you know, get my top scumread lynched. Nor did I take any hard stances when I was literally the only person hard defending both Jock and Calix for a majority of the day. Nor did I take any hard stances when koshi/rayn asked me for a full read of the game, or when I literally posted my spreadsheet for everyone to read. I think perhaps you may also be implying that because I've said, plainly and clearly, that I intend to stay on the sidelines today, that also means I don't intend to take any hard stances today, which is just silly because I never said that: I just said I'm not going to take any new hard stances right now. 2. See prior explanations for not checking, and in addition: Saying "w/e. Too much thinking", while phoneposting, prior to going to sleep is of course a great indication that I have an intention to double check that immediately, rather than let the players who shared the sentiment that BC OMGUSed Artanis check it and either correct me or back me up while I'm asleep. Cause my intention is to do...what exactly? Make myself look scummier? Or perhaps it makes more sense that town me would want help in achieving clarity on this from someone who did share that sentiment, during a period when I know I will not be able to check myself?
Okay that last part at EOD I need to check out as I was asleep and never really processed, but if true then my scumread on you is pretty shite. Regarding defending Jock: I'm pretty sure I did that too. Your spreadsheet contained a bunch of percentages that don't mean anything without backing them up. Also if you're following up on things I guess it's fine and fuck this shit game is hard 
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On May 24 2019 06:43 Holyflare wrote:
Can you point me to places where he's been consistently angry (his mafia meta)? Or places you've pointed that out?
On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:[...]3. Super aggro posting as he often does in scum games: Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
This thread is such a clusterfuck.
Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar.
I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours?
Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten?
This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus.
and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong. This post is particularly funny as he shits on the thread whilst not producing any alternatives himself. Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove. On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons
A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all
B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.
Basically hes a good cop check?
Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red. Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote:
of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs.
actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds. So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return. Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town? You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit?
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I did notice that you've only -_-'d once this game in a 5 page filter and did it 5 times in a 3 page filter there.
+ Show Spoiler +Yeah it looks kinda different looking at it now.
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