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But that's probably a slip right Bugs? -.- Do I have everyone else's permission to just ignore Bugs? | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:40 wherebugsgo wrote: why do you think VE calling disfo scum but ruxxar town and then not voting disfo, and then complaining when I push him on his disfo read (which he never explains) is not scummy? I wasn't calling disfo scum. I was calling you weird for not calling him scum. That's a misrepresentation, not a dunk. Plz stop bugs. | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:45 Holyflare wrote: Because it's not scummy in the slightest, you set up so many false equivalencies and bs around the ruxxar lynch that it was distracting. Furthermore, why the fuck would VE vote for his TOWN read and look god damn awful when you've specified that you're going to lynch people that vote for him if he's town or some crap and he has scum reads on other people. It's so dumb to do unless you think he was doing to save a buddy. This was the vote before everyone switched. Calix/iGrok/BC essentially up for lynch. It only makes sense for VE to look fucking awful and not vote his scum read and instead vote his town read WITH YOU if he's defending his teammate calix/bc/igrok but you don't scum read ANY OF THEM AT ALL. So, no, it doesn't make sense with the narrative you're posting for mafia to go out of their way to look fucking awful voting their town read and to get pushed when they can just vote on their scum reads. It's really bad to push this imo. All while BEING ABSOLUTELY AWARE OF IT TOO On May 22 2019 08:35 VisceraEyes wrote: He's trying to get people to join his ruxXar wagon by threatening anyone who joins with a LYNCH in case he flips town, WHICH IS WHAT EVERYONE NOT VOTING FOR HIM NOW THINKS LMAO | ||
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If you're town you'll be THE GOD DAMNED TOWN HERO HERE! | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:52 Holyflare wrote: Like, I really just don't know if bugs is obviously showing face as mafia and became really bad or just town doing some really stupid bait. After his nk in that game rayn was talking about that saved town I'm really starting to see a picture where he just doesn't "get" people's metas yet and is trying to make a mafia play that seems obvious to him but looks really out of place to me or anyone that knows these people. He's really going all in the scumclaim shit too did you see him discussing maf strategy a few pages ago? Whatever I just want him to talk about something other than me. Like he's not even understood that I'm the only other person in this game who considered not believing Koshi! CAN YOU IMAGINE?!?! | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:52 Holyflare wrote: How did you read 58 pages from Conversion's post before d1 to rayn's post on page 158 in like 5 minutes? Maybe filtering rayn for Conversion based on the observation he just had? | ||
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If I could be arsed I'd test him on his knowledge of those pages but I can't. | ||
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On May 25 2019 23:01 wherebugsgo wrote: VE if you want me to detunnel you have to provide me alternative scumreads. I'm perfectly fine with an iGrok lynch. I disagree that the case on him is as cut and dry and Holyflare makes it, but I think it's a good enough shot for today. You want me to be certain. I can't indulge you and I'm not going to lie to you. I also have a mild scumread on Calix still, if you're reading my posts you saw me disagree with the case on her that rayn put forward, but I read her mafia independently. I'm unsure on a third because there are now 3 PR claims and those will solve themselves I hope, GIVING us the third maybe. | ||
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On May 25 2019 23:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm about 40% certain iGrok is scum and that's because of the amount of pointless defence he's gotten. But I won't tell you that because in my other thread mind he's 100% scum. Is the first one willing to consider not iGrok or were you just trolling people? | ||
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On May 25 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I strongly approve of the implications in this post <3 You're not off the hook bby, if iGrok is town then I have to reevaluate obviously <3 | ||
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On May 25 2019 23:08 Holyflare wrote: I mean if he literally just interacted with me and answered my questions I wouldn't be voting him at all even after my case so that's a really fucking net negative play if he's mafia or town. I'm town and I refused to interact with bugs for like 4 irl days. *shrug* | ||
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On May 25 2019 23:10 wherebugsgo wrote: anyway HF I understand you're still frustrated because you're really confused on what I'm doing. Trust me, I'm not trying to frustrate you on purpose. I'm not scum here. I will agree with you 100% that I probably am tunneled. However, you and I both know that we have different methods and we disagree on them. I have moved in your direction since I watched your play unfold last game. I don't think I'm a complete moron; I very well could be given how many times I've been called that (rightly so) for lynching townies. In my defense, though, remember that I townread Pandain in light of rayn flipping town and calling Pandain mafia, and that I townread both BC and VE after fairly minimal interactions. It actually took me a lot longer for me to come to a very solid conclusion on both players this game and I credit that to mafia playing very very well in this game. Like really, I am in some sort of zen mode right now because I spent time reflecting on my chats with Foolishness a lot and channeled House Chezinu and now I feel like the game is just unfolding before my eyes. Anyway I'm going to sound like a complete moron if I end up being dead wrong and I accept complete responsibility for that if that's the case. I am super happy with the play of every player in this game because no matter who is scum and who is town, I think everyone played to their win conditions. And actually I think the major shitfests were scum-started so I don't even really feel bad about that now either. Also VE I totally still love you and I hope you will forgive me horribly for the sins I have caused if my read is wrong on you. I swear, if I am wrong on you I actually don't know how I will be able to apologize because there is just so much stuff that I cannot bring myself to ignore and I respect your play a lot. Like truly, a lot. You nailed Koshi last game, you shot him in the dick bro. Me calling you scum here and not a pants-on-head idiot town is honestly the highest compliment I can give you for turning the beautiful garden roses and twinkling fairies of a town from last game into the raging breakneck 200 mph one liner troll fest that this one was. There's a reason I'm so good as scum. It's because my play lacks consistency. You're witnessing that right now. I believe in you. You can get past it. You can do it Bugs. I had a pregame excuse. I said "I have no strong feelings one way or the other" I'm not going to lie and say I was going to play this game intentionally differently, but it turns out that due to the player list and circumstances, the difference between this game and last game actually did end up being "I have no strong feelings one way or the other" which, for those of you keeping track at home and in the ObsQT, is THREE prescient things VisceraEyes has said this game. I had a hard time developing reads yesterday and it shows in my play. I didn't have a hard time forming TOWNREADS, only MAFIA READS, which are the important kind when deciding on who to consolidate on. So no, given that you're being reasonable now, I'm not going to just let you go with "Sry bro I can't" because I know you can. You proved it last game. You can. Plz do. | ||
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On May 25 2019 23:15 wherebugsgo wrote: Which parts of Holyflare's case do you disagree with? Because I agree with you on this sentiment. What do you read Calix as mafia for? Can you point it out to me like I'm an idiot? Cause I read her townier than basically anyone except Jock, conversion, and HF. And in fact I've swapped HF and Calix multiple times and had her above HF for quite a while just on the basis of her nerves of iron steel. Well that and her pretty good reads, question and answer followups and general feeling that she's trying to figure out the game and genuinely frustrated that she has to deal with Koshi rayn etc. and the fact that she dreads having to read 80 pages of one liners. Re: iGrok - Mostly that the coloration of the reads and their timings mean so much. It's not so much that I disagree with parts of the case, mostly with how strongly HF feels they MAKE iGrok mafia. Like, I think the strongest point is the skipping over Calix EoD, being the actual thread action portion of the affair. But I don't like, disagree with his conclusions. It's a matter of scale. | ||
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On May 25 2019 23:27 wherebugsgo wrote: 1)what things are stretches in your mind? 2)And what do you make of iGrok hard town-reading conversion for the same post I pointed out? You know the one I'm talking about? 3)Like if you ignored HF's case entirely what would be your read on iGrok? 1) Like I said, colorations and timings of the colorations seem to be a strong indicator to HF, not so much to me. He also, like you, does a bit of narrative building to explain some of his posts which I don't find particularly convincing. 2) Let me go look at it. I think I know which (because I am reading ![]() 3) Bad question. Scum based on activity ![]() | ||
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On May 25 2019 23:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: VE, could you still give me your take on Conversion? I'm town on Conversion based on activity this cycle. | ||
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Bugs plz detunnel man, if you're town and a PR we can figure this shit out. | ||
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