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On May 21 2019 08:22 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 08:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 08:03 disformation wrote:On May 21 2019 08:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
Someone is going to have to explain why they think ruxxar became townier with his responses cause I’m not really seeing it. He came back and basically posted a few things that made absolutely no sense (why does he think one of Calix/conversion is scum??) with no particular read progression-he even claimed he read the thread and the only thing that really changed is that he now town reads Koshi.
He also pulled a second disappearing act as people are fighting over Calix again. Why is this such a hard lynch? i mean its not slam dunk (unfortunaley nothing is so far), but a) tone b) like where does mafia come in like "yeah was reading filter for an hour, got these small things, but basically not much, cu". imo the "sry got nothing" is more likely town, as scum would frantically try to have "something" What?? a) His tone is meek. He literally called himself a mouse b) what you mentioned here is more mafia indicative than town!! It’s mafia who aren’t willing to commit to reads, not townies. How could someone possibly read 20+ pages of this game and come out with a town read on Koshi and no scum reads? It’s fairly clear he thought he should have one as well, because he offers conversion up as a potential lynch. I’d love to see what Conversion thinks about that, honestly. As for the Koshi and me business, Koshi is probably just scum this game because he’s been slinging stuff for a while and trying to just get it to stick. If you look at Koshi’s past games where he plays town he actually tries to figure out stuff despite the high volume of posting one liners. There is no real progression here, it just seems like he’s trying to find things that would throw us off and making it much harder to read the game. I am actually shocked at how many town reads he is getting for this play, especially because they’re completely unexplained as well. eh I mean he has a secondary scum read/lean on conversion and also doesnt like jock (though not sure if that means scum). the dawg/mice post was pretty strange though. fairly threadaware (is that even a word?) for his low activity.
Think the term you want is 'image conscious' 
I didn't get the impression he scum-read Jock. The way he worded it made it sound like he found Jock more annoying than scummy, lol.
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I don't tend to use meta reads on people I've never played with before. Because if I try doing so, I'll end up succumbing to confirmation bias. If I think he's town and do a meta dive, I'm probably going to just find stuff that confirms that belief. And vice versa.
Much as I'd love to have a brilliant, logical reason to doubt ruxxar is mafia, I don't. It was just when I read some of his posts, I 'felt' like lynching him would result in a mislynch and I can't even explain why. It's completely irrational ><
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I personally don't see a problem with discussing people even if they're not likely to die today. But clearly this is something you dislike.
You say it's scummy how difficult it is to get votes on ruxxar and that people defend him. I find it scummy that Conversion is largely ignored. When I am less tired, I'll look into ruxxar again but my vision's going double, lol.
It's even weirder that of the main 'trains', only one person [ruxxar] has any case against him. Nobody has a good reason to kill me ['tone' or 'meta' or 'sheeping' aren't reasons]. Meanwhile my main reason for scum-reading Conversion is because I think he's pretending to tunnel disformation to avoid commenting on the rest of the game. Which is not really a case either.
TL;DR: These trains are really shoddy for almost 48 hours of work.
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On May 21 2019 17:25 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 17:01 wherebugsgo wrote:682 is this: On May 20 2019 21:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 19 2019 22:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think today (irl, first 24 hours) would be a lot more productive if everyone operated under the assumption that A) rayn is not lynchable and B) bugs is not lynchable. My reasoning is this: from what I've seen both of them are going to be relatively active during this cycle, and there's a non-zero chance that they're both town. IF they're both town, there's a >50% chance that this thread is completely ruined by the end if this first 24 hours. So in the spirit of getting everyone to look at the game holistically, I'd like it if everyone just IGNORED rayn and bugs today (first 24 hours) and then if we still want to lynch into them then we pull them back into the pool next day.
To that end I'm going to unvote and reread everything. Quite unlikely, but I am going to be so amused if the scumteam is something like VE/WBG/Rayn. HF: On May 21 2019 16:49 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2019 16:33 iGrok wrote:On May 21 2019 16:23 Holyflare wrote:
Scummy:
Igrok (literally just summary post with no conclusions yet) Duh. I literally just caught up on the thread in the last 15 minutes, but have been commenting a bit on my thoughts as I read through. How I'm the only one in your scum list, and not in the null pile, makes no sense. Because I already had a reason to scum read you and posting the summaries hasn't changed that? If you do good with the work then there's always room to change? Dunno what to tell you buddy. I don't think iGrok is the lynch today. I'm not seeing how he's scum here. I'd rather you help me lynch ruxxar and help me understand what alignment koshi is here. Finding out koshi's alignment is a priority for me too in the next 12 hours. He seems to have strong opinions that don't follow with thread sentiment so if we can figure this one out some other things might fall into place. How are we gonna go about it?
His opinions change at the drop of a hat. All his conviction is fake.
Dude needs a bullet to the head if you ask me.
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On May 21 2019 17:35 Koshi wrote:
The good thing about Calix calling me out is that she has to vote me 100%. Funny stuff.
It's on you in spirit, dear.
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Yeah can we stop with this retarded 'ignoring people' thing? lol
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Also I'm thinking mafia are probably not that interested in the lynch. Neither my train nor ruxxar's nor Conversion's is getting much traction and trust me, it's not because we're all mafia.
It's probably because mafia aren't really active/ pushing anything. Might point to all three of us being town actually.
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On May 21 2019 17:44 Koshi wrote:
Calix you have to have me as 100% mafia. I am playing super hard. Why? Because I have 2 dead beat mafia friends?? lol
I wouldnt play hard for them.
If you're town and this is you 'playing hard' then dear Lord do I need to lower my expectations.
I'm suspicious of you because you seem to have these 'strong' reads but you throw them out for pretty much nothing and I can't follow your thought process very well. There's no reason I can trust what you have to say with that in mind because you'll probably ditch whatever 'reads' you have anyway, usually with no explanation, and go with what's convenient.
I also think your reads are either a) on townies [WBG for most of the game (?), disformation] or b) made with bad reasoning [e.g., your BC read, assuming you still have that, seems hinged on the assumption that I am mafia. Ergo I will never find your BC read convincing]. This paragraph doesn't make you mafia [obviously townies can be wrong too], it just adds to the whole 'don't trust you' thing.
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On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say.
"Even if he's not mafia, he's basically 4th mafia so let's kill him."
Not a legit scum read. Rayn can go back in the scum pile too.
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On May 21 2019 17:56 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 17:54 Calix wrote:On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say. "Even if he's not mafia, he's basically 4th mafia so let's kill him." Not a legit scum read. Rayn can go back in the scum pile too. LoL Nha. You either lost it or are mafia.
Thought I was totes mafia, no backing out, etc etc.
It's almost like you know I'm town and thus feel compelled to add these little 'bad or mafia' comments.
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On May 21 2019 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Damn I need to ignore Koshi LOL so hard
calix vote ruxxar. Your point on the wagons does not apply to ruxxar, and it’s wrong in some key ways, notably that rayn has been trying to proxy push disformation (through Koshi) for a while now
Also scum would care about keeping the votes spread, which is exactly why ruxxar’s vote is a scum vote and why VE not helping me consolidate on disfo/ruxxar earlier is a huge red flag
What do you mean by 'rayn proxy pushing disformation through Koshi' exactly?
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On May 21 2019 18:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Calix I already explained myself and mobile posting, go read the game.
You can just read rayn’s last couple filter pages and look for his questions to Koshi
Point taken.
Doesn't look like rayn's reads have changed with the flow of the game at all. His scum-reads are based on old info. And his points against Jock and I weren't good to begin with and are even worse now.
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On May 21 2019 18:08 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 17:58 Calix wrote:On May 21 2019 17:56 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2019 17:54 Calix wrote:On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say. "Even if he's not mafia, he's basically 4th mafia so let's kill him." Not a legit scum read. Rayn can go back in the scum pile too. LoL Nha. You either lost it or are mafia. Thought I was totes mafia, no backing out, etc etc. It's almost like you know I'm town and thus feel compelled to add these little 'bad or mafia' comments. No. This was me telling you that if you are town you should feel bad about yourself.
Funny how you respond to all this yet conveniently ignore my post where I raise valid concerns about your own play.
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On May 21 2019 18:22 disformation wrote:
man. conv could be scum after all. also not sure if i like koshi agreeing to that crap.
prolly biased though.
-.-
Convert to the good side. Vote Conversion!
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On May 21 2019 19:28 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 19:27 Koshi wrote:
She is scum. You are all pants on head and I dont understand it. If calix is scum I have to rethink everything :/
Don't you have me as a scum lean? What changed?
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Anyway I was writing a rambly-as-fuck reads post because I was tired of constantly doubting myself. In summary, we should lynch into Koshi/ Rayn [don't think both are mafia] or BC/ iGrok and that Conversion/ ruxxar might actually be T/T.
But only one of those is viable...lol. If anyone is up for one of these people, please speak up now.
[not you WBG, I already know you will disagree with me here ]
Anyhow ##unvote.
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On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings.
To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself.
Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced
Can't speak for anyone else but I find your conviction on ruxxar off-putting. Not in a mafia way, just in a "I don't want to be pressured into voting for this guy" kind of way.
And it seems like a lot of people are having doubts on ruxxar anyway so I don't think you'll be able to push past those. Hence why you are frustrated, I think.
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On May 21 2019 19:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 19:35 Calix wrote:Anyway I was writing a rambly-as-fuck reads post because I was tired of constantly doubting myself. In summary, we should lynch into Koshi/ Rayn [don't think both are mafia] or BC/ iGrok and that Conversion/ ruxxar might actually be T/T. But only one of those is viable...lol. If anyone is up for one of these people, please speak up now. [not you WBG, I already know you will disagree with me here ] Anyhow ##unvote. What has ruxxar posted that makes you town read him?
I started having doubts when disformation and I were talking to him. Some of his posts like "well I'm actually struggling to come up with solid reads" and "I've been here for an hour and don't have anything" are very relatable, lol.
Also I refer to his post against you. The first part where he's responding to WBG looks quite townish to me, like he is actually frustrated with him.
[I don't think he's on the mark with his scum-read of you. But I don't think it's scummy either]
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We could lynch rayn. I haven't seen any good reasons to town-read him and a lot of us have him as null/ scum, yes?
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On May 21 2019 20:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 19:59 Calix wrote:
We could lynch rayn. I haven't seen any good reasons to town-read him and a lot of us have him as null/ scum, yes? Also D1 claim is so bad. But its rayn does it mean anything?
I refer more to his disproportionate level of confidence in his bad scum-reads.
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