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On May 20 2019 22:44 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 22:42 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 22:32 disformation wrote:On May 20 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm starting to think VE is mafia. He's behaving differently to last game in his posting style. Last game he was blue, but the difference is weird. On May 02 2019 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh no, you don't cut into rayn's sauna time with this Pandain. Let him answer it post-lynch. A non-sauna'd rayn is an unhappy rayn. On May 03 2019 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
But really Bugs, I'm telling you, it's not interesting from that point on. Pandain can feasibly be excused for his posting due to the thread rate at the time. The really telling bit is at the beginning of the game when he was town. On May 03 2019 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
NO RAYN I DIDN'T
I will though, because I like you. On May 03 2019 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Man rayn fuck is this a MSPaint timeline case?
If it is rather than read it I'd like you to draw it in MSPaint. On May 03 2019 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Man rayn that's painful. Like all it looks like to me is someone who's not used to playing with you taking umbrage with your playstyle. You didn't like his answers, but he DID answer. I'm definitely not seeing the mafia that you see. If there's something I'm missing, hit me up with it. On May 02 2019 09:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Just fucking saying and now you made me angry. Is it possible you're just mad? On May 03 2019 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
You know what
No.
Pandain.
No.
You don't get to come in here and jizz all over the thread about "trying to lynch the gf" when A) you had literally zero credibility beyond your ability to provide ONE vote, and not even a vote OFF the main wagon. It was a useless vote on Rels that went nowhere and meant nothing, just like the Vivax vote.
In fact, it makes sense to me that the mafia team would be trying to capitalize on a possibly MODKILLED GF.
##Vote: Pandain Notice how he directly addresses people by name when he's talking to them, as if he's trying to cooperatively play the game as part of a town team hunting scum. not a single example of that in this game. Not once. Is that a mafia tell? Dunno, but its a weird change in posting style. Also important... In the last game he did the following thing when he was trying to get people lynched: On May 01 2019 10:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
You should bring your sword and lynch Jock with us. On May 03 2019 21:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Join the Pandain Counterwagon of Greatest Glory tm I haven't seen anything like that either. i mean... a) you yourself said that ppl shouldnt meta you on a change of posting style since you mix it up on purpose? b) you could go to the database and dig out town and mafia games of VE and look for yourself if that could be a meta case? My response to a) is that its probably different getting a meta read on someone who's been here for years compared to trying to do the same with someone who's only ever played 3 games of mafia. Of course I'm going to change up my style, I'm doing it deliberately. I would expect someone who's been here for ages to settle in to a posting style and not make weird small changes like that. b) I'm going to do exactly this when I have time but I'm at work so I don't have an hour or two to spare to do that rn. aight, fair enough i guess. dont like to meta ppl i havent played with a lot or off games i wasnt involved in. meanwhile: ve/art: can you explain the wbg scumread to me like i'm 3, I didnt quite get it while catching up yesterday. if your read changed in the meantime ill also take an update on that
WBG scumread was from this:
On May 19 2019 21:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 21:40 wherebugsgo wrote:I'm not going to bother explaining myself when I can just boost my own ego by quoting HF's post on me. Y'all can go read that and figure out what my alignment is. + Show Spoiler +although confirmed town is an exaggeration, I think it should be obvious why I consider HF town and rayn not, at least with this amount of info. I also really like how everyone besides HF is arguing on the behalf of rayn and every time rayn posts he makes himself look worse. Let him talk about other things, his defense so far is not getting us anywhere. I dont believe your attitude here is real. I feel a disconnect between the first paragraph and the spoiler. There's like three different contrasting emotions in here and I find it hard to reconcile as anything other than putting up a front. ##vote wherebugsgo
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On May 20 2019 23:27 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 23:13 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I can't understand WBG's read progressions. On May 20 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also why are we trying to kill iGrok while he said he’s on a plane?
I think his vote post is strange but it’s equally strange to try to pressure/kill someone who up front said they’re not going to be here for a while. It accomplishes very little and inevitably iGrok will just come back and complain for being voted while afk regardless of alignment. On May 20 2019 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m 100% down to kill ruxxar based on that single post alone btw What makes iGrok's vote just weird and RuXxar bad? iGrok's vote is weird because it's singularly based on the role breadcrumbing. I already explained this in detail in a previous post so I'm just going to quote myself: On May 20 2019 16:28 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 20 2019 16:21 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 16:18 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 16:18 Holyflare wrote:
Jock I suggest moving away from rayn and forming opinions on other people. Rayn is a big time sink and the only thing that will change his mind is by playing townie. Yeah my previous post says as much. I'm finished with that unless he keeps on at me about it. What do you think of conversion? I think your post has a lot of merit, it's flaky and apologetic when it doesn't need to be. Like it a lot better than whatever people are posting about ruxxar because I don't think ruxxar looks too bad tbh. I don't like how bugs has essentially discounted iGrok and solely talked about VE's points and not mine and then given iGrok an afk excuse pass. If your point on iGrok is that he’s scummy because his only reason for voting rayn was the host thing, then yes, I disagree with that point. Back when I was fairly new to the forum (and iGrok used to play as well) we’d kill people over slips like that and I think there was an impression that it was a fairly effective way to find scum. I think there have been several games in which someone got screwed by role breadcrumbing, to the point where it got banned. I never thought it was a reliable way to catch scum but lots of people disagreed with me, and given iGrok’s tenure I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s in that camp. I’m giving him a pass because I don’t think lynching him has high value prop here. Like I said earlier he really doesn’t look all that different to me than Rels did last game. OTOH several other players look worse to me based on post content, notably ruxxar, disformation, and conversion. On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also On May 20 2019 08:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright I’m officially putting rayn in the ignore pile.
Also I don’t know how anyone can say they are 100% sure on reading Jock either way, especially someone who played last game and witnessed us mislynch him in the presence of virtually identical rhetoric WBG indicates he feels Jock is playing virtually identically to last game. On May 20 2019 14:06 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.
between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out).
Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment. sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together  I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1. Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading https://tl.net/forum/mafia/544405-fibonacci-mafia?user=JockmcplopI am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row. I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one. I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given: 1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative 2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads. 3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm. Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced. WBG, can you explain in what way his rhetoric is the same yet his playstyle is different? To me, this reads like you're appeasing BC's reasons for his read despite them at the very least somewhat disagreeing your assertion. You then throw shade on your own opinions as well. What's going on here? in the presence of identical rhetoric == what other people are saying about Jock. Last game half the game jumped on his ass almost out of the gate on day 1 because his style changed, and I started seeing elements of that here as well, particularly from rayn. I myself eventually participated in mislynching Jock last game because I ended up not liking Jock's responses to me. So you're stating that whilst Jock's approach to the game is differently, it's the manner in which people respond to him that's the same? I'm not sure how that is a relevant point as it has no relevance on his alignment. How do you feel he's playing this game compared to previous games and why do you feel so solid in townreading him now? it does have relevance on his alignment, because if he's changed his alignment several times and people are saying that's a reason to call him scum, why wouldn't I call that out? I thought that BC was saying that Jock looks scummier for changing his style in this game, for the third time in a row, so I wanted to cut that off because I thought it's a bad argument; I think it's not alignment indicative especially because Jock said in post-game that he was intending on trying out new things again. Granted, BC clarified and said he was just saying he wants to keep Jock on a watchlist for the style change so this really doesn't mean much at this point. I'm confident in townreading him because 1. he caught at least one thing I purposely let go and didn't point out myself to see if others would catch onto the same ideas and 2. based on several things he's said and done in thread it genuinely seems to me like he's trying to figure out the game. I honestly don't really care about comparing Jock's play to past games because I already feel like I can read him from his posts in this game alone. I only use meta when I have a certain hunch about some particular behaviour that a player is exhibiting and I want to figure out whether that lies more often in their town vs scum game.
##Unvote
Annoyingly I'm satisfied with your posts for today. I'll have to figure out what I'm doing tomorrow. Gonna spend some time with the wife now.
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On May 22 2019 01:04 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 01:02 Holyflare wrote:We're not horrible, we're just making sure you weren't! In fact we're trying to make sure you're ok. Please don't replace. I'll call you confirmed town all game if I have to. No hard feelings to any of you, you're all just playing the game the way you're supposed to, but I also can't use mental health as a bargaining chip to get called a townie cos that's bullshit. My heart rate was elevated for the entire walk home from work. I'm fine though. I like the logic and stuff that goes with this game but maybe I have hangups about rejection (or something like that) that makes me freak out when accused. Obviously that doesn't go well with playing mafia.
Hey man, I understand exactly where you're coming from. When I started out (and a whole bunch later as well), I was always anxious when people called me mafia as well. I have some anxiety problems as well as Aspergers and it can definitely make an impact on your enjoyment of the game.
What helps me is creating a distance between the role you're fulfilling in the thread and who you are. When people call you mafia, or the even better "mafia or bad (hi Rayn)", they're not saying anything about you as a person but they're trying to solve the game. I'm sure you know this intellectually, but it's something that I think is worth actually processing. Even people cursing at others is usually just outing their frustration rather than being directed at you specifically.
Next to that, the Mafia community is actually full of awesome people. I've known VE for like a decade or something and he's so much fun to banter with. I've amused myself countless times with HF just saying 'hello' on voice a lot and annoying my wife. Rayn and Rels even were at my wedding. Speaking of my wife, I met her on TL Mafia (Rsoultin). It's a great community and everyone looks out for each other as soon as it's clear things get serious. Even if you don't end up playing more, which I'd understand entirely, I do hope you stick around as I think you're pretty cool. The mafia community is like a rowdy mosh pit. You can get an elbow to the face, but if you fall down everyone'll help to pick you up immediately.
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And on that happy note, fuck you all for spamming this thread so much. I am still only playing 2 hours a day max and I can't read all this shit > : (
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On May 22 2019 01:39 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 01:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And on that happy note, fuck you all for spamming this thread so much. I am still only playing 2 hours a day max and I can't read all this shit > : ( Seriously. I'm pretty close to petitioning for a vote for a post cap
I def won't play any games without one in the future. My workless hobbyless no life days are behind me. I have no idea how VE does this stuff with a family.
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On May 22 2019 01:43 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 01:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 22 2019 01:39 iGrok wrote:On May 22 2019 01:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And on that happy note, fuck you all for spamming this thread so much. I am still only playing 2 hours a day max and I can't read all this shit > : ( Seriously. I'm pretty close to petitioning for a vote for a post cap I def won't play any games without one in the future. My workless hobbyless no life days are behind me. I have no idea how VE does this stuff with a family. ![[image loading]](https://66.media.tumblr.com/d83876f6f4245732c5e33f698f8352cc/tumblr_mod1zjgTEY1s0uuv7o6_250.gif)
No meaniness. We're in feel good land now.
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On May 22 2019 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 01:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 22 2019 01:39 iGrok wrote:On May 22 2019 01:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And on that happy note, fuck you all for spamming this thread so much. I am still only playing 2 hours a day max and I can't read all this shit > : ( Seriously. I'm pretty close to petitioning for a vote for a post cap I def won't play any games without one in the future. My workless hobbyless no life days are behind me. I have no idea how VE does this stuff with a family. I have no idea how i do this stuff when working 3 days 16 hr a day. Or how i did in 2015 working almost as much for a MONTH playing three games at one time lynching mafia all D1 (that was an accomplishment i am really proud of tbh ^^). Well yeah no judging, you do what you can do. But how about you play when you do instead of telling why you cant play? basic stuff.
I am reading Calix' filter as we speak my friend.
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There's a bunch of things I dislike about Calix and then some I like.
Dislike: Saying Koshi is lying about his read on her but not calling him out, sudden focus on Rayn again after being on Conversion for a while for seemingly no reason when she stated that she doesn't think Koshi/Rayn can be scum together and clearly indicated a strong suspicion of Koshi. The tinfoil she had on Rayn/VE was bad too, and I didn't like how unfocused she was for large parts of the game.
But then she started honing down on Rayn recently. She got the wagon started and I'm not sure if that's a play she would make as mafia. Rayn is notoriously hard to lynch and a significant number of people seemed on board with Conversion. It'd only make sense if she's scum with Conversion to me. It feels like she really believes in that lynch.
The biggest question I have is what changed, Calix? Why are you suddenly so gung-ho on Rayn again after switching your focus halfway through the day?
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On May 22 2019 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:Did Artanis really just come in here to play Thread Psychologist a hour too late and then dip again? 
I was at work! I would've been in there playing thread psychologist immediately if I could
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On May 21 2019 17:54 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say. "Even if he's not mafia, he's basically 4th mafia so let's kill him." Not a legit scum read. Rayn can go back in the scum pile too.
What did Rayn post between your initial scumread on him and this post that made you think he was town?
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On May 22 2019 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ur good carry on I said.
So Cilax, assuming an answer you like and you think she's town, who's your next target Artanis?
I still want to lynch the Cobbler but I doubt that's happening today. Need to go through the lurkers.
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I actually like Conversion's filter and not at all for its contents but for its passion. I feel he believes in his read and do not wish to lynch this man today. He really should calm down though. His tunnel is too strong for me to trust that he's representing Disfo's filter accurately. His comparative filters are more than a year old but just the fact that he's filter diving old games makes me townread him pretty confidently.
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On May 22 2019 02:14 iGrok wrote:Fucking LOL - but the tone of disinfo has me leaning town slightly. Only key point is that disinfo sees something reddish in BC. Wait, who all is anti BC? Artanis, disinfo, ruxxar?
Can we lynch the Cobbler?
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On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
Shockingly, the three people he wants to lynch are people who have called him scum/prodded him.
On May 21 2019 20:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote:
of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs.
actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds. So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return.Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town? You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit?
The irony is real.
I also have absolutely no idea why he's suddenly scumreading VE. He mentioned he'd read his filter and then never commented on it at all, just 'fear-reading' the guy. I have absolutely no idea why he thinks VE is scum, nor why he'd vote him over any of his other scumspects that have a likelier chance of actually flipping.
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On May 22 2019 02:32 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 02:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
Shockingly, the three people he wants to lynch are people who have called him scum/prodded him. On May 21 2019 20:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote:
of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs.
actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds. So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return.Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town? You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit? The irony is real. I also have absolutely no idea why he's suddenly scumreading VE. He mentioned he'd read his filter and then never commented on it at all, just 'fear-reading' the guy. I have absolutely no idea why he thinks VE is scum, nor why he'd vote him over any of his other scumspects that have a likelier chance of actually flipping. We lynch calix
I'm okay with a Calix lynch compared to all the other people with votes on them, though I still need to actually read RuX.
##Vote Calix
Please read BC's filter thoroughly though.
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I was indifferent on Rux' first half but hot damn he brings out the fire later. Few posts but rich in content. Pointing out BC's scummy reaction and going in against HF are ballsy moves, especially when it would've been easy to just stick to Calix. There is a voice in the back of my head wondering if he really believes he can actually get HF lynched, and I want to know what he thinks of BC now.
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On May 22 2019 04:05 Holyflare wrote:
This game is very confusing. I feel like every time I accuse somebody of something it's like trying to ram a jigsaw piece that doesn't quite fit. That usually means one of the people that are town read by lots of people is playing well. There are a few outliers though. I think Artanis just posts really agreeable things and decides to leave each time so he doesn't draw attention to himself. I think iGrok basically just sheeped consensus and couldn't be fucked to expand on his read on me.
Wait what? I'm posting just agreeable things? That's garbage. I was the first on WBG's case, first on BC, and have had unpopular opinions pretty much the entire game. The first time I'm joining thread sentiment is on Calix, which I disagreed on with people scumreading her on her first post already. As for 'convenient timings', it's whatever work allows me, and limited by 2 hours a day which I've already mentioned.
@Calix
On May 22 2019 02:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
There's a bunch of things I dislike about Calix and then some I like.
Dislike: Saying Koshi is lying about his read on her but not calling him out, sudden focus on Rayn again after being on Conversion for a while for seemingly no reason when she stated that she doesn't think Koshi/Rayn can be scum together and clearly indicated a strong suspicion of Koshi. The tinfoil she had on Rayn/VE was bad too, and I didn't like how unfocused she was for large parts of the game.
But then she started honing down on Rayn recently. She got the wagon started and I'm not sure if that's a play she would make as mafia. Rayn is notoriously hard to lynch and a significant number of people seemed on board with Conversion. It'd only make sense if she's scum with Conversion to me. It feels like she really believes in that lynch.
The biggest question I have is what changed, Calix? Why are you suddenly so gung-ho on Rayn again after switching your focus halfway through the day?
Can you reply to the last bit?
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And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.
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On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
Fuck you why does this make me think you're town
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On May 22 2019 04:20 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 22 2019 04:05 Holyflare wrote:
This game is very confusing. I feel like every time I accuse somebody of something it's like trying to ram a jigsaw piece that doesn't quite fit. That usually means one of the people that are town read by lots of people is playing well. There are a few outliers though. I think Artanis just posts really agreeable things and decides to leave each time so he doesn't draw attention to himself. I think iGrok basically just sheeped consensus and couldn't be fucked to expand on his read on me.
Wait what? I'm posting just agreeable things? That's garbage. I was the first on WBG's case, first on BC, and have had unpopular opinions pretty much the entire game. The first time I'm joining thread sentiment is on Calix, which I disagreed on with people scumreading her on her first post already. As for 'convenient timings', it's whatever work allows me, and limited by 2 hours a day which I've already mentioned. @Calix On May 22 2019 02:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
There's a bunch of things I dislike about Calix and then some I like.
Dislike: Saying Koshi is lying about his read on her but not calling him out, sudden focus on Rayn again after being on Conversion for a while for seemingly no reason when she stated that she doesn't think Koshi/Rayn can be scum together and clearly indicated a strong suspicion of Koshi. The tinfoil she had on Rayn/VE was bad too, and I didn't like how unfocused she was for large parts of the game.
But then she started honing down on Rayn recently. She got the wagon started and I'm not sure if that's a play she would make as mafia. Rayn is notoriously hard to lynch and a significant number of people seemed on board with Conversion. It'd only make sense if she's scum with Conversion to me. It feels like she really believes in that lynch.
The biggest question I have is what changed, Calix? Why are you suddenly so gung-ho on Rayn again after switching your focus halfway through the day? Can you reply to the last bit? To answer this and your other question [the one about 'what made me town-read rayn?'], here's what I remember about how it went. After pressuring rayn...I actually don't recall town-reading him at all. Pretty sure I just forgot about him because he disappeared for a while. Then when I was attacking Koshi, rayn appeared. I was reminded of how scummy rayn was because all his posts were, in my opinion, pushing mafia agenda. And if you need more elaboration then read my filter because I've repeated myself a lot at this point. ANYWAY but then I was like "don't think these two are on a team together" and concluded rayn was scummier than Koshi, therefore Koshi...had...to be town? So yeah.
Have you played with Rayn before?
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