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On May 27 2019 16:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
I dunno calix it looks kinda like you're trying to find reasons why voting iGrock and Ruxxar doesn't make you mafia, more than trying to figure out why other people were doing what they were doing.
Where do I say anything like that?
I haven't defended my iGrok/ ruxxar votes at all.
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On May 27 2019 16:49 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2019 16:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
I dunno calix it looks kinda like you're trying to find reasons why voting iGrock and Ruxxar doesn't make you mafia, more than trying to figure out why other people were doing what they were doing. Where do I say anything like that? I haven't defended my iGrok/ ruxxar votes at all.
Well you did say that mafia were under no threat on day 1, which heavily implies mafia votes could be anywhere and that we shouldn't read into it. Probably a bit true but given that koshi just pointed out where your votes were it seems very much like that's why you made that post...
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Do you think BC would bus Artanis if they are both mafia?
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On May 27 2019 16:52 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2019 16:49 Calix wrote:On May 27 2019 16:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
I dunno calix it looks kinda like you're trying to find reasons why voting iGrock and Ruxxar doesn't make you mafia, more than trying to figure out why other people were doing what they were doing. Where do I say anything like that? I haven't defended my iGrok/ ruxxar votes at all. Well you did say that mafia were under no threat on day 1, which heavily implies mafia votes could be anywhere and that we shouldn't read into it. Probably a bit true but given that koshi just pointed out where your votes were it seems very much like that's why you made that post...
I said that re: D1 because two wagons flipped town and I know the third one [me] was also town. It's literally just stating the obvious.
I never said you shouldn't read into it. I said you can't tell anything from vote placement alone and you'd have to look into the reasons for votes. I literally said this in my post, lmao.
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On May 27 2019 16:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
I dunno calix it looks kinda like you're trying to find reasons why voting iGrock and Ruxxar doesn't make you mafia, more than trying to figure out why other people were doing what they were doing.
She is trying to make us believe she is town by doing VCA analysis with that as main point.
It's pathetic.
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##vote Calix
You are mafia or somebody who was at some point in this 250 page game a second helpful to town is mafia.
I am going to lynch the person who wasnt helpful a goddamn fuckibg second.
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Anyway. I am 100% certain mafia won this game so I am willing to lose this game by getting lyncjed for greater justice.
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Sounds about right to lynch the veteran who soaked a bullet on d3.
Too hilarious to not do it tbh.
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On May 27 2019 16:54 Jockmcplop wrote:
Do you think BC would bus Artanis if they are both mafia?
I'm looking at BC's activity around the day 2 vote.
He's here at May 25 2019 22:27 BST
Then isn't here
Then makes a post at May 26 2019 04:44 BST -- this is just after the flip
The he's not here again.
Comes back
May 26 2019 07:10 BST
I'm not saying this is slam dunk or anything but if I was bussing on a wagon where the vote could turn out to be close I would definitely be checking back around the EoD to make sure I wasn't killing a teammate.
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On May 27 2019 16:54 Jockmcplop wrote:
Do you think BC would bus Artanis if they are both mafia?
I dont care and ofcourse he would. Mafia always busses. 2 mafia vote 1 wagon the thirf mafia busses.
In some cases both mafia buss.
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On May 22 2019 11:24 Conversion wrote:
d'oh.
I just meta-dived ruxxar and he plays really fluid, jokes around a lot as town.
his mafia games are like 4+ years old, though, and not sure if they should really count as much here (couldn't find any more recent games)
but you're right in the fact that nothing about his game here resembles the town games I read meta wise.
in terms of reads, my brain is fried (as evidenced by fucking up a simple logic table up ^^^ there), and I think I'm inclined to believe bugs.. I think disfo is in a pretty non-safe spot going on this ruxxar lynch here as well, so ruxxar flipping mafia doesn't give him too much cred. I don't really buy any of Koshi's reads, and him dodging me and not calling me scum is pretty fuckin' weird cause I'm not really playing any differently than I have in the games we've played together. m
If ruxxar flips mafia though Koshi is never, ever, 100% never ever mafia.
and now I'm sleepy and lost 90 minutes of s tudying for an interview so I'm peacing out. gl hf, see y'all after like 4 PM est for a bit before I fly out
Yeah, D1 progression is a bit dodgy. Had ruxxar at null beforehand then says ruxxar's meta points towards him being mafia [as someone who also looked into ruxxar's games, his posting style this game didn't really resemble either town/ mafia ruxxar. Only 'tell' that he might have been mafia on D1 was low activity - he generally has higher activity as town - but that wasn't strong enough for me to think the meta argument was compelling by itself].
Anyway, he then talks about, I presume, why he's voting for ruxxar despite one of his strongest mafia reads also voting for ruxxar. And in retrospect, a lot of this post doesn't say anything because ruxxar was not mafia.
As for D2, I still think his Artanis switch from this:
On May 24 2019 03:20 Conversion wrote:artanis is giving me great conflict. generally his entire filter looked good to me. the only thing about this is I don't QUITE particularly think BC was being aggressive, except to Artanis himself. so I don't quite get this "BC was super duper aggressive, but then chilled out" as a switch reason. + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia." Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me insteadLastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG. Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you. If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo the second thing is his bugs read, but that's mostly because I townread bugs and I don't think his argument was a good one. mmmmmmmh he's definitely looks less towny than BC to me right now
"definitely looks less towny than BC...generally his entire filter looked good...only thing about this is I don't QUITE particularly think BC was being aggressive"
to having Artanis as "probably scum" and:
On May 25 2019 00:18 Conversion wrote:
man how are there 23+ pages since I last left!
and why are people off scum again! did Artanis prove himself town somehow?
Where did this confidence in mafia!Artanis come from? This post would suggest he wasn't aware of anything Artanis had posted in the meantime.
Then Conversion talks a bunch about iGrok and how bad he looks. But still wants Artanis dead more. Not entirely clear whether he thinks both could be mafia or whatnot. This post stood out to me as scummy because of how inconclusive it is:
On May 25 2019 01:07 Conversion wrote:
is that mafia!iGrok flailing since he knows Artanis is his scumbuddy, and trying to force a lynch onto someone else? but why would mafia!Grok try to lynch someone he deems is unlynchable by his own words, and is attempting to distance himself from his scumbuddy Artanis?
He proposes some explanations for why mafia!iGrok is doing what he is doing. Seems to think both Artanis/ iGrok are mafia. But his second question poses an idea that seems to dent the mafia iGrok/ Artanis idea. Yet Conversion never really goes anywhere with this.
@Conversion, would you mind giving me the lowdown of your thought process at EOD1 and why you became more certain that Artanis is mafia, please?
(I have read your filter but I am still asking anyway so don't blow me off)
As a side note, Conversion was very skeptical of a mafia Artanis/ BC team because of their weird double OMGUS/ bussing thing.
My two pence on that matter is that a lot of the BC/ Artanis stuff happened when neither of them were under much pressure and their double OMGUS/ scum-read stuff is weird AF. BC's overreaction to Artanis' scum read especially. But I think the best argument against BC/ Artanis is Artanis popping into the thread at EOD1 with a huge case on BC. This was at a time when sentiment was against BC so he could have actually died there. That would be pretty weird for a mafia to do to another mafia when you could've just settled for a ML, lol.
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On May 27 2019 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2019 16:54 Jockmcplop wrote:
Do you think BC would bus Artanis if they are both mafia?
I'm looking at BC's activity around the day 2 vote. He's here at May 25 2019 22:27 BST Then isn't here Then makes a post at May 26 2019 04:44 BST -- this is just after the flip The he's not here again. Comes back May 26 2019 07:10 BST I'm not saying this is slam dunk or anything but if I was bussing on a wagon where the vote could turn out to be close I would definitely be checking back around the EoD to make sure I wasn't killing a teammate.
Hey jock. No offense.
What the fuck are you doing?
Can we pleassssseeeeeee vite Calix and afk 3 days and then vote somebody else and afk 3 days?
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On May 27 2019 17:00 Koshi wrote:
##vote Calix
You are mafia or somebody who was at some point in this 250 page game a second helpful to town is mafia.
I am going to lynch the person who wasnt helpful a goddamn fuckibg second.
You screamed for my head for most of the game because of my opening post. Now you refuse to reconsider at triple MYLO. Yet you turn around and blame me for losing the game. The lack of self-awareness is truly amazing.
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On May 27 2019 17:08 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2019 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 27 2019 16:54 Jockmcplop wrote:
Do you think BC would bus Artanis if they are both mafia?
I'm looking at BC's activity around the day 2 vote. He's here at May 25 2019 22:27 BST Then isn't here Then makes a post at May 26 2019 04:44 BST -- this is just after the flip The he's not here again. Comes back May 26 2019 07:10 BST I'm not saying this is slam dunk or anything but if I was bussing on a wagon where the vote could turn out to be close I would definitely be checking back around the EoD to make sure I wasn't killing a teammate. Hey jock. No offense. What the fuck are you doing? Can we pleassssseeeeeee vite Calix and afk 3 days and then vote somebody else and afk 3 days?
Nah I like playing mafia.
Although I will vote Calix for now just for a laugh like and because sheeping you is sensible for me right now.
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Do you agree on Calix or not? Or you want to tzlk 70 pages about it?
Enough pages has been written to make a conclusion. I dont need more posts.
Calix voted town only and pushed town only.
Now mafia need to push 1 misslynch.
CAN WE PLEASE NOT READ anything mafia types and just fucking vote??????
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W.e bro. I need you to pledge your vote to Calix now. So I can afk for 3 days.
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Tjen you can talk to the other people as much as you want.
Innocent child + Veteran on a wagon is fine for me.
If the 3 other townies dont vote with us and let mafia win the game by voting off wagon it is all good by me.
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On May 27 2019 17:11 Koshi wrote:
W.e bro. I need you to pledge your vote to Calix now. So I can afk for 3 days.
I PLEDGE NOTHING
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