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On May 26 2019 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 26 2019 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
HF do you think both me and koshi are mafia? Can you please even evaluate your reads? Please? Shit this is riduculous. You can't stand on a one-way street and try and coax traffic onto it going the other way. You literally WILL NOT reevaluate your reads but you're expecting HF to? What the butt?
i can do what the FUCK i want. and i dont even care
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On May 26 2019 07:02 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 26 2019 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 26 2019 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 26 2019 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
HF do you think both me and koshi are mafia? Can you please even evaluate your reads? Please? Shit this is riduculous. You can't stand on a one-way street and try and coax traffic onto it going the other way. You literally WILL NOT reevaluate your reads but you're expecting HF to? What the butt? i can do what the FUCK i want. and i dont even care You know what i mean, you can't do it and EXPECT RESULTS. You're just going to look like a crazy person waving their arms in the middle of a one-way street.
look how much i care. gn <3
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i actually do care. she is so fucking mafia it hurts but noone aside from me and koshi can see it. now really gn <3
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On May 26 2019 06:50 Calix wrote:
I, personally, think rayn and VE are most likely to hit red.
On May 26 2019 07:11 Calix wrote:
That reminds me of my 'shit' VE/ rayn mafia tinfoil.
I will laugh so hard if that was actually correct.
another mhm,..,,.
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i wouldnt mind this being calix vs me, i think more true colors could be seen.
please do this, calix can even win because dumb townies and me having to work tomorrow.
doooooiiiitttttttt
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On May 26 2019 07:19 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i wouldnt mind this being calix vs me, i think more true colors could be seen.
please do this, calix can even win because dumb townies and me having to work tomorrow.
doooooiiiitttttttt Rayn they'll just lynch you and then not lynch Calix just stop lel
I know i dont care. I claimed town to you and you know its legit unless i am an asshole which i am not. I just dont want to bother arguing easy shit with bugs, its so stupid and he cant read ffs...
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i have no idea why anyone would this you are mafia in this game VE, aside from bugs, because he clearly is out of my league.
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Koshi i think you need to take a look at Conversion and disformation in case you live.
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I still dobt really think Artanis is mafia but i can wrong on that. But i dont think i am.
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Calix
Conversion
disformation
No other person looks even remotely mafia.
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....'cos i watched them fall away
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Idk where that came from? bugs made the game completely unplayable for VE.
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On May 30 2019 15:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2019 15:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk where that came from? bugs made the game completely unplayable for VE. Koshi's been a dick to many players in the game, not in the least Calix at the end. WBG was hard on VE but I never felt it was because of anything but suspecting him, whereas with Koshi it was extremely personal shit.
I agree but it doesn't make what i said incorrect. It's not bugs' "fault" but it still happened.
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And what did i do that was bad?
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On May 30 2019 15:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:You have a very different set of values as to what is important as well as what is offensive and what isn't compared to most players on the site. You know that, Joni. It often creates friction where there really is no need. The community is small enough as is and I'd prefer we all try and get along, lest it becomes impossible to have more games.
Well then please, you, tell me where i was over the line offensive in this game because i cant see it?
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On May 30 2019 15:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2019 15:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 30 2019 15:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 30 2019 15:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And what did i do that was bad? You have a very different set of values as to what is important as well as what is offensive and what isn't compared to most players on the site. You know that, Joni. It often creates friction where there really is no need. The community is small enough as is and I'd prefer we all try and get along, lest it becomes impossible to have more games. Well then please, you, tell me where i was over the line offensive in this game because i cant see it? I don't think you've crossed the line this game at least for me. They way you play can definitely ruffle some feathers in that you get tunneled on one thing you think makes someone 100% mafia and you go further on it than almost anyone, but I don't think you stepped out of line at all that I recall. I'm mostly talking about the postgame chat here where there's no need to 'but what about...' at the end when WBG basically had a Rayntunnel on VE all game 
Which is exactly why i said it's not his fault. Like i understand i was probably at least the part of reason why Calix got disinterested in the game (my honest opinion is that Jock never should have in the first place), but at least i didn't comment on basically everything she said and shit on it. Every time VE tried to do something (i remember best the time when i talked with him about Conversion) bugs came in with some good 50 posts to tilt him again, and VE always bites. What gives?
I don't really care if someone gets tunneled or is wrong, that's part of the game, but i also don't really like being called something i didn't do, especially when he himself and definitely HF (on D2) were far far "worse" in said same activity.
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On May 30 2019 15:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also playing Mafia without having a roleblocker kinda feels like you have absolutely no control over the thread in case of massclaims which kinda sucks. I understand given the nerfed blue roles it wasn't super bad, but it's still a very meh feeling as maf :D
/whine
I honestly didn't assume framer because framer is incredibly (too) powerful against parity cop, like one successful frame N1 or N2 can outright lose the game for the town hands down. I agree mafia should always have rb vs 3 town pr.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2019 17:07 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 11:24 Conversion wrote:
d'oh.
I just meta-dived ruxxar and he plays really fluid, jokes around a lot as town.
his mafia games are like 4+ years old, though, and not sure if they should really count as much here (couldn't find any more recent games)
but you're right in the fact that nothing about his game here resembles the town games I read meta wise.
in terms of reads, my brain is fried (as evidenced by fucking up a simple logic table up ^^^ there), and I think I'm inclined to believe bugs.. I think disfo is in a pretty non-safe spot going on this ruxxar lynch here as well, so ruxxar flipping mafia doesn't give him too much cred. I don't really buy any of Koshi's reads, and him dodging me and not calling me scum is pretty fuckin' weird cause I'm not really playing any differently than I have in the games we've played together. m
If ruxxar flips mafia though Koshi is never, ever, 100% never ever mafia.
and now I'm sleepy and lost 90 minutes of s tudying for an interview so I'm peacing out. gl hf, see y'all after like 4 PM est for a bit before I fly out Yeah, D1 progression is a bit dodgy. Had ruxxar at null beforehand then says ruxxar's meta points towards him being mafia [as someone who also looked into ruxxar's games, his posting style this game didn't really resemble either town/ mafia ruxxar. Only 'tell' that he might have been mafia on D1 was low activity - he generally has higher activity as town - but that wasn't strong enough for me to think the meta argument was compelling by itself]. Anyway, he then talks about, I presume, why he's voting for ruxxar despite one of his strongest mafia reads also voting for ruxxar. And in retrospect, a lot of this post doesn't say anything because ruxxar was not mafia. As for D2, I still think his Artanis switch from this: Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 03:20 Conversion wrote:artanis is giving me great conflict. generally his entire filter looked good to me. the only thing about this is I don't QUITE particularly think BC was being aggressive, except to Artanis himself. so I don't quite get this "BC was super duper aggressive, but then chilled out" as a switch reason. + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia." Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me insteadLastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG. Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you. If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo the second thing is his bugs read, but that's mostly because I townread bugs and I don't think his argument was a good one. mmmmmmmh he's definitely looks less towny than BC to me right now "definitely looks less towny than BC...generally his entire filter looked good...only thing about this is I don't QUITE particularly think BC was being aggressive" to having Artanis as "probably scum" and: Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 00:18 Conversion wrote:
man how are there 23+ pages since I last left!
and why are people off scum again! did Artanis prove himself town somehow? Where did this confidence in mafia!Artanis come from? This post would suggest he wasn't aware of anything Artanis had posted in the meantime. Then Conversion talks a bunch about iGrok and how bad he looks. But still wants Artanis dead more. Not entirely clear whether he thinks both could be mafia or whatnot. This post stood out to me as scummy because of how inconclusive it is: Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 01:07 Conversion wrote:
is that mafia!iGrok flailing since he knows Artanis is his scumbuddy, and trying to force a lynch onto someone else? but why would mafia!Grok try to lynch someone he deems is unlynchable by his own words, and is attempting to distance himself from his scumbuddy Artanis? He proposes some explanations for why mafia!iGrok is doing what he is doing. Seems to think both Artanis/ iGrok are mafia. But his second question poses an idea that seems to dent the mafia iGrok/ Artanis idea. Yet Conversion never really goes anywhere with this. @Conversion, would you mind giving me the lowdown of your thought process at EOD1 and why you became more certain that Artanis is mafia, please?
(I have read your filter but I am still asking anyway so don't blow me off)
As a side note, Conversion was very skeptical of a mafia Artanis/ BC team because of their weird double OMGUS/ bussing thing. My two pence on that matter is that a lot of the BC/ Artanis stuff happened when neither of them were under much pressure and their double OMGUS/ scum-read stuff is weird AF. BC's overreaction to Artanis' scum read especially. But I think the best argument against BC/ Artanis is Artanis popping into the thread at EOD1 with a huge case on BC. This was at a time when sentiment was against BC so he could have actually died there. That would be pretty weird for a mafia to do to another mafia when you could've just settled for a ML, lol.
Calix you really should have made this post N2. I am not going to pretend that would have dropped my scumread on you but maybe something like 40% chance i would have tried to convince Koshi to at least lynch Conversion first. Because i said half of that post already and thought he is scum for it, and the rest of it is really good. You don't have to like me or anything, especially inside game, but just know i at least try to be reasonable while at times it definitely doesn't seem like that lol.
Sorry for the tunnel.  I believed my version of the reasoning on read on HF. That was wrong. I still have no idea how you considered your two scumreads making scummy thing NAI, it doesn't make any sense to me, since scummy people do scummy things. To me it looked like you wanted to be on both sides of the fence, still call BC and iGrok mafia but look like re-evaluating or something, idk.. it just doesn't make any sense in my world.
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