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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 25 2019 20:52 GMT
#4521
On May 26 2019 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 05:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 26 2019 05:45 Calix wrote:
On May 26 2019 05:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Ugh I want to ask iGrok questions and actually discern his alignment but there's no time for a counter wagon and any chance is better than 0% of lynching mafia.


Actually there is. There are loads of people ITT.

Yeah but I'm not gonna be around much longer right now. I'd rather have people who aren't 100% invested on just making the other person look bad ask the questions/make cases on him instead of me. Anything I say will be colored by default.

I've been filtering you a bit and I can't say I dislike what I'm seeing recently. You have a clear idea of whom you want lynched and you're pushing accordingly. You're also engaging everyone in an organic manner.

Which means I'm probably wrong on some of my townreads.

okay dude why do you ever even say this? like,,, who cares?

I care, if I filter dive someone just to try to prove they're scum rather than actually discern their alignment it sucks. I can't look at shit objectively like that.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2019 20:53 GMT
#4522
these lynches are stupid. igrok possibly mafia but still stupid.
table for two on a tv tray
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 25 2019 20:53 GMT
#4523
HF clearly doesn’t know who I am lol. I’m a host/cohost much more than player, and half my games were smurfs
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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 20:53 GMT
#4524
On May 26 2019 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
these lynches are stupid. igrok possibly mafia but still stupid.


Maybe we should lynch you instead, Mr. I'm Gonna Trash-Talk All The Lynches But Do Nothing To Change Them.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 25 2019 20:54 GMT
#4525
Anyways, we should be lynching HF.
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2019 20:54 GMT
#4526
calix always mafia, igrok only if calix is, conversion maybe but best bet. idk who else, bd or hf might be?
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2019 20:54 GMT
#4527
iGrok can you pls read this post by hf and answzr?


On May 26 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
When iGrok returns, since he is ignoring me can you please make him clarify the following:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
This is his posted read list a while ago when responding to me. It shows VE as red coloured for points up to when he posted it. That's 2 red coloured things on his list and 2 (cut off when he showed the later one) green posts (that aren't actually related to what VE has said, just meta so don't actually know why they are coloured green).

This is his post after with VE not coloured green or red or anything, just white + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


As you can see, literally nothing has changed other than the cropping but his name has changed colour. He also clarifies the following:

Show nested quote +
On May 25 2019 03:23 iGrok wrote:
On May 25 2019 03:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because his hidden points are no longer hidden? 2 of them were townie?

Oh no, hidden stuff is still hidden. So you have 2 more points. in green.

Basically my read on you has never been certain.


So, he's got 2 hidden reads in green (why are there even hidden ones if he was never showing this to begin with who the fuck knows?) but this doesn't correlate with what he's said here:

Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote:
alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.

And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.

Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.

Some hidden thought counts for future use:
BC:1
WBG:2
HF:2
VE:4
Rux:1

Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.


There are 4 hidden points for VE.

Can you please make him clarify when these "hidden points" occurred. It makes a big big lot of difference based on the colouring times.

I had a good night of sleep.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 25 2019 20:55 GMT
#4528
Conversion is confirmed town, what are you on?
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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 20:55 GMT
#4529
On May 26 2019 05:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
calix always mafia, igrok only if calix is, conversion maybe but best bet. idk who else, bd or hf might be?


>Calix 100% mafia
>iGrok only mafia if Calix is
>since Calix is confirmed mafia, iGrok is therefore mafia in rayn's eyes
>doesn't vote for iGrok to ensure Artanis doesn't die even though from rayn's POV iGrok is mafia

How do logic?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2019 20:55 GMT
#4530
i want to say that i am not gonna change my vote anyways. you can vote whatever shit you want, i am not participating.
table for two on a tv tray
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 25 2019 20:56 GMT
#4531
HOLD UP HOLD UP
On May 25 2019 23:51 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2019 23:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 25 2019 23:28 disformation wrote:
On May 25 2019 23:25 disformation wrote:
On May 25 2019 23:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh Disfo you too please.

from the top of my head:
his readprogression on me sounded very natural.
think i liked a bunch of his posts n1/d2. esp. tone wise.
some ppl pointed out his eod1 to be questionable and hf pointed out an issue in conv's read progression yesterday that i also would call bad.

overall without going diving i think id still say more likely to be town.

hmmm actualy not 100% sure.
would say looks better than grok/art/bc.
but imo calix looks better.

Can you give me a list of reads? Townreads I don't care as much about, but I'd like an explanation for who you're scumreading and why. I'm mostly just seeing comments on things going on but I don't know what you think, other than apparently that you think me/igrok/bc are scum, which I find very odd given thread progression.

fair enough. tldr version:

lynch into:
bc - scum for often not explaining his reads, working very omgus based, generally not doing much after d1
art - falling off super hard in quality after d1. E.g. the super rushed list stuff n1 and waffling off bc was really strange too. Esp. since he still believed in the meta read on bc to be true.
grok - hidden notes, complaining and then gtfoing a bunch

maybe scum
conv - see earlier

town lean
calix - see earlier

town jesus and the holy spirit
jock


On May 26 2019 05:15 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 05:10 Holyflare wrote:
On May 26 2019 04:45 disformation wrote:
On May 26 2019 04:14 disformation wrote:
On May 26 2019 04:05 Holyflare wrote:
On May 26 2019 03:49 disformation wrote:
sooo...
im a bit groggy and making dinner.
so brain cell count is fairly low.

but wbg is saying grok is blue.
while voting grok.

... ?


I made a giant bc post for you

hello hf
(on it while eating)

some considerations:
you say his internal logic makes a lot more sense after he could latch onto the art thing. i agree, but isnt it also easier for scum to have a more consitent logic when they can just scum read one dude the whole time? had a scum game where my bread and butter was to make okayish cases about one dude and do the tunnel dance.
hard to tell with art being this bleh though.

like id also say he def. does things in his pace and doesnt care if ppl dont like. prolly more towny. (unless like all wagons are town or he is gonna bus hard. though art <> bc double bus would be weird?).

not sure if i agree on the strength of the tr at the end though. like his d1 was really oof.


Yes, but it wasn't just his read on Artanis that was consistent, it was all the rest too after day 1. The tone on n1/d2 reads a lot townier to me. If I was mafia though I could definitely get BC lynched for the day 1 posts I think, that's how bad those points look.

aight. i dont think he's an option today anways. if he keeps the n1/d2 line going i can prolly see it.


One of your reasons for scumreading him is that he fell off after d1. Yet, him 'keeping the n1/d2 line' means you're less likely to scumread him? What?
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 25 2019 20:57 GMT
#4532
Damnit Koshi, only since it’s you.

There’s 2 green and 2 null hidden points for VE. All having to do with something that I’m not allowed to talk about. They were all there early, though since I update my colors when context comes around I’m not sure how long the green ones have been green
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2019 20:57 GMT
#4533
On May 26 2019 05:55 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 05:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
calix always mafia, igrok only if calix is, conversion maybe but best bet. idk who else, bd or hf might be?


>Calix 100% mafia
>iGrok only mafia if Calix is
>since Calix is confirmed mafia, iGrok is therefore mafia in rayn's eyes
>doesn't vote for iGrok to ensure Artanis doesn't die even though from rayn's POV iGrok is mafia

How do logic?

yeah i always do that why dont you vote for me you have 100% case?
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2019 20:58 GMT
#4534
On May 26 2019 05:48 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 05:45 Koshi wrote:
On May 26 2019 05:20 Holyflare wrote:
On May 25 2019 10:14 iGrok wrote:
I just voted Artanis because of the two of us he’s scummier. Would still prefer HF Lynch.

Am going to meet Alakaslam for dinner in LA, then another plane home .
Maybe I’ll be back before N2.

Coincidentally, this may look scummy as shit, but fuck you im tired and I don’t want to read 10 pages of is he - isn’t he about Koshi.

Obviously, you have my reads, most of you either agree but still think I’m shady or think they are bad and think I’m shady, so gfys and keep spamming away.

Peace


^ this is igrok's breadcrumb by the way

read the first caps letters

Interesting. And you are gunsmith.
Ugh. Weird game.

Is gunsmith town only?I assume it is.

I am thinking.


I'm not gunsmith.

That's not even his post, I edited it -.- keep up fam

You are insane.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 25 2019 20:58 GMT
#4535
On May 26 2019 05:53 iGrok wrote:
HF clearly doesn’t know who I am lol. I’m a host/cohost much more than player, and half my games were smurfs


ah yeah only been here since 2011 excuse my ignorance
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 25 2019 20:59 GMT
#4536
Hang on so HF edited a post of mine to make me fake a crumb because he thought I wouldn’t be back? And we aren’t lynching this asshole?!
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 25 2019 20:59 GMT
#4537
##vote HF
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2019 20:59 GMT
#4538
On May 26 2019 05:57 iGrok wrote:
Damnit Koshi, only since it’s you.

There’s 2 green and 2 null hidden points for VE. All having to do with something that I’m not allowed to talk about. They were all there early, though since I update my colors when context comes around I’m not sure how long the green ones have been green

Thx. I dont understand it at all but fine.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 25 2019 21:00 GMT
#4539
On May 26 2019 05:57 iGrok wrote:
Damnit Koshi, only since it’s you.

There’s 2 green and 2 null hidden points for VE. All having to do with something that I’m not allowed to talk about. They were all there early, though since I update my colors when context comes around I’m not sure how long the green ones have been green


So there's 2 green and 2 null AT THE TIME YOU POSTED THAT LIST which was early game. EARLY game. Thus, including the 2 green points already highlighted on your reads list that makes 4 total green points to VE. But in your screenshot you posted VE was red even though he had that many green points???
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2019 21:00 GMT
#4540
I want to kill Calix.
I had a good night of sleep.
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