On May 25 2019 23:01 wherebugsgo wrote: VE if you want me to detunnel you have to provide me alternative scumreads.
I'm perfectly fine with an iGrok lynch. I disagree that the case on him is as cut and dry and Holyflare makes it, but I think it's a good enough shot for today.
You want me to be certain. I can't indulge you and I'm not going to lie to you. I also have a mild scumread on Calix still, if you're reading my posts you saw me disagree with the case on her that rayn put forward, but I read her mafia independently. I'm unsure on a third because there are now 3 PR claims and those will solve themselves I hope, GIVING us the third maybe.
Which parts of Holyflare's case do you disagree with? Because I agree with you on this sentiment.
What do you read Calix as mafia for? Can you point it out to me like I'm an idiot? Cause I read her townier than basically anyone except Jock, conversion, and HF. And in fact I've swapped HF and Calix multiple times and had her above HF for quite a while just on the basis of her nerves of iron steel. Well that and her pretty good reads, question and answer followups and general feeling that she's trying to figure out the game and genuinely frustrated that she has to deal with Koshi rayn etc. and the fact that she dreads having to read 80 pages of one liners.
On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote: Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.
I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.
I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else:
I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!).
also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game.
In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist
tl;dr
I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you
alright, I couldn't resist, I pronounce to you all, my first read of today.
I basically consider you confirmed town for this post. I mean, I already invited you to my circle so it can't get much better than this.
If you have any questions for me, I'll play with you. Also, I want you to read tl.net and let me know your thoughts on that little game. You won't get anything from me for playing or even winning, unfortunately, because you've already won in my book, but maybe you'll get something for yourself.
You mentioned memorability. I agree, memorability is good. Whose takes have not been memorable? I think I know, and I think you know as well. If knowledge aligns, then we're probably not wrong together.
I think you should relate a lot to that if you're town.
Also conversion dropped like two giant meta cases and was willing to go meta ruxxar (and not just trust me on my word for it) so just on sheer effort to figure out the game (given his limited time) I don't read him as scum.
As an aside, IIRC iGrok noticed this same post as me and also confirmed conversion. Not sure why scum would do that and eliminate a possible mislynch (look at what rayn is saying about conversion) and it's a bit of why I'm townier on iGrok after reading his image posts.
On May 25 2019 23:10 wherebugsgo wrote: anyway HF I understand you're still frustrated because you're really confused on what I'm doing.
Trust me, I'm not trying to frustrate you on purpose. I'm not scum here. I will agree with you 100% that I probably am tunneled. However, you and I both know that we have different methods and we disagree on them. I have moved in your direction since I watched your play unfold last game. I don't think I'm a complete moron; I very well could be given how many times I've been called that (rightly so) for lynching townies.
In my defense, though, remember that I townread Pandain in light of rayn flipping town and calling Pandain mafia, and that I townread both BC and VE after fairly minimal interactions. It actually took me a lot longer for me to come to a very solid conclusion on both players this game and I credit that to mafia playing very very well in this game.
Like really, I am in some sort of zen mode right now because I spent time reflecting on my chats with Foolishness a lot and channeled House Chezinu and now I feel like the game is just unfolding before my eyes. Anyway I'm going to sound like a complete moron if I end up being dead wrong and I accept complete responsibility for that if that's the case.
I am super happy with the play of every player in this game because no matter who is scum and who is town, I think everyone played to their win conditions. And actually I think the major shitfests were scum-started so I don't even really feel bad about that now either.
Also VE I totally still love you and I hope you will forgive me horribly for the sins I have caused if my read is wrong on you. I swear, if I am wrong on you I actually don't know how I will be able to apologize because there is just so much stuff that I cannot bring myself to ignore and I respect your play a lot. Like truly, a lot. You nailed Koshi last game, you shot him in the dick bro. Me calling you scum here and not a pants-on-head idiot town is honestly the highest compliment I can give you for turning the beautiful garden roses and twinkling fairies of a town from last game into the raging breakneck 200 mph one liner troll fest that this one was.
There's a reason I'm so good as scum. It's because my play lacks consistency. You're witnessing that right now. I believe in you. You can get past it. You can do it Bugs.
I had a pregame excuse. I said "I have no strong feelings one way or the other"
I'm not going to lie and say I was going to play this game intentionally differently, but it turns out that due to the player list and circumstances, the difference between this game and last game actually did end up being "I have no strong feelings one way or the other" which, for those of you keeping track at home and in the ObsQT, is THREE prescient things VisceraEyes has said this game. I had a hard time developing reads yesterday and it shows in my play. I didn't have a hard time forming TOWNREADS, only MAFIA READS, which are the important kind when deciding on who to consolidate on.
So no, given that you're being reasonable now, I'm not going to just let you go with "Sry bro I can't" because I know you can. You proved it last game. You can. Plz do.
Yeah honestly the thing that made me waver so hard on BC this game was that he seemed to agree with me that your tone is different, voted you, and then slinked off and disagreed with me a lot about you. You think he's fucking us? It'd be in his wheelhouse.
On May 25 2019 23:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: VE, WBG, can you give me your thoughts on Conversion?
basically confirmed town
read for yourself:
On May 23 2019 22:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:
On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote: Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.
I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.
I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else:
I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!).
also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game.
In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist
tl;dr
I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you
alright, I couldn't resist, I pronounce to you all, my first read of today.
I basically consider you confirmed town for this post. I mean, I already invited you to my circle so it can't get much better than this.
If you have any questions for me, I'll play with you. Also, I want you to read tl.net and let me know your thoughts on that little game. You won't get anything from me for playing or even winning, unfortunately, because you've already won in my book, but maybe you'll get something for yourself.
You mentioned memorability. I agree, memorability is good. Whose takes have not been memorable? I think I know, and I think you know as well. If knowledge aligns, then we're probably not wrong together.
I think you should relate a lot to that if you're town.
Also conversion dropped like two giant meta cases and was willing to go meta ruxxar (and not just trust me on my word for it) so just on sheer effort to figure out the game (given his limited time) I don't read him as scum.
As an aside, IIRC iGrok noticed this same post as me and also confirmed conversion. Not sure why scum would do that and eliminate a possible mislynch (look at what rayn is saying about conversion) and it's a bit of why I'm townier on iGrok after reading his image posts.
That's fair. I remember him getting into a bunch of swears earlier and FF had to come in. Dick move analysis does suggest he's town.
On May 24 2019 23:47 Holyflare wrote: [...] (post on people's reasons for not voting iGrok) Honestly, they all look pretty bad. The caveat is that I don't think Conversion would be mafia with igrok arguing about logic together like that. VE is super non-committal to igrok, BC defends igrok in a really bad way, Koshi I could actually see be town but it's weird igrok town reads him when he scum reads me for changing my reads. Rayn is... absent and needs to start taking stances.
Also a good point so I guess it's irrelevant until iGrok flips.
nah I think you misread some of that interaction. You should go back and reread the dick move thing cause I am fully team conversion there
On May 25 2019 23:01 wherebugsgo wrote: VE if you want me to detunnel you have to provide me alternative scumreads.
I'm perfectly fine with an iGrok lynch. I disagree that the case on him is as cut and dry and Holyflare makes it, but I think it's a good enough shot for today.
You want me to be certain. I can't indulge you and I'm not going to lie to you. I also have a mild scumread on Calix still, if you're reading my posts you saw me disagree with the case on her that rayn put forward, but I read her mafia independently. I'm unsure on a third because there are now 3 PR claims and those will solve themselves I hope, GIVING us the third maybe.
Which parts of Holyflare's case do you disagree with? Because I agree with you on this sentiment.
What do you read Calix as mafia for? Can you point it out to me like I'm an idiot? Cause I read her townier than basically anyone except Jock, conversion, and HF. And in fact I've swapped HF and Calix multiple times and had her above HF for quite a while just on the basis of her nerves of iron steel. Well that and her pretty good reads, question and answer followups and general feeling that she's trying to figure out the game and genuinely frustrated that she has to deal with Koshi rayn etc. and the fact that she dreads having to read 80 pages of one liners.
Re: iGrok - Mostly that the coloration of the reads and their timings mean so much. It's not so much that I disagree with parts of the case, mostly with how strongly HF feels they MAKE iGrok mafia. Like, I think the strongest point is the skipping over Calix EoD, being the actual thread action portion of the affair. But I don't like, disagree with his conclusions. It's a matter of scale.
what things are stretches in your mind?
And what do you make of iGrok hard town-reading conversion for the same post I pointed out? You know the one I'm talking about?
Like if you ignored HF's case entirely what would be your read on iGrok?
On May 25 2019 23:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: VE, WBG, can you give me your thoughts on Conversion?
basically confirmed town
read for yourself:
On May 23 2019 22:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:
On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote: Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.
I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.
I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else:
I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!).
also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game.
In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist
tl;dr
I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you
alright, I couldn't resist, I pronounce to you all, my first read of today.
I basically consider you confirmed town for this post. I mean, I already invited you to my circle so it can't get much better than this.
If you have any questions for me, I'll play with you. Also, I want you to read tl.net and let me know your thoughts on that little game. You won't get anything from me for playing or even winning, unfortunately, because you've already won in my book, but maybe you'll get something for yourself.
You mentioned memorability. I agree, memorability is good. Whose takes have not been memorable? I think I know, and I think you know as well. If knowledge aligns, then we're probably not wrong together.
I think you should relate a lot to that if you're town.
Also conversion dropped like two giant meta cases and was willing to go meta ruxxar (and not just trust me on my word for it) so just on sheer effort to figure out the game (given his limited time) I don't read him as scum.
As an aside, IIRC iGrok noticed this same post as me and also confirmed conversion. Not sure why scum would do that and eliminate a possible mislynch (look at what rayn is saying about conversion) and it's a bit of why I'm townier on iGrok after reading his image posts.
That's fair. I remember him getting into a bunch of swears earlier and FF had to come in. Dick move analysis does suggest he's town.
On May 24 2019 23:47 Holyflare wrote: [...] (post on people's reasons for not voting iGrok) Honestly, they all look pretty bad. The caveat is that I don't think Conversion would be mafia with igrok arguing about logic together like that. VE is super non-committal to igrok, BC defends igrok in a really bad way, Koshi I could actually see be town but it's weird igrok town reads him when he scum reads me for changing my reads. Rayn is... absent and needs to start taking stances.
Also a good point so I guess it's irrelevant until iGrok flips.
nah I think you misread some of that interaction. You should go back and reread the dick move thing cause I am fully team conversion there
Don't give me more homework dad, I'm already swamped.
okie just trust my word on conversion. Feel free to trust me on Jock, conversion, Calix, HF. I mean, if you're not sure after I've said things and think I'm wrong + Show Spoiler +
or if you don't believe I'd cut my dick off for my townreads this game
, take your own stance and just note what I said so you can reconfirm it when I flip. I am pretty close to townreading you at like 99.9% as well so I'm getting progressively calmer and calmer LOL.
I townread BC but he also needs to pull his own weight though so if you can encourage him to followup with me that would be great. Same posts you followed up on with me. Kthxbai
On May 25 2019 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Gimme a sec Holyflare i need to go to the store real quick first, i will answer your iGrok case right after, since i think you at least deserve an answer whther or not you like the answer.
On May 25 2019 23:28 VisceraEyes wrote: re: Calix Rayn's case is based on meta, afaict it's based on a game he and holyflare were in with her that should make her doubt her ability to read rayn/HF and one of her first reads was a hard read of both he and HF. Like HF, I disagree with the SCALE of this accusation, fmp it looks like she CAN arrive at that level of certainty, but I don't KNOW that and it COULD be mafia that she's reading rayn/HF that strongly that early. IDK. But fmp she comes in at convenient times to shade convenient people, all while both being indignant when people doubt her ability AND acting like people shouldn't listen to her because she doesn't know meta, or is confused, or the thread is too long etc etc etc
That img is just an incomplete thread summary with SOME thoughts. Not to minimize the way you work iGrok but I really don't see why anyone townreads you for this.
Also, see the post above the one you quoted. Please don't take what HF says about my methods as more true than what I say about my methods. You might not think its good/effective but at the very least I know more about what I'm doing than someone else does.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, your candidate this game is none other than...me!
But, many of you may be asking, who am I? Well, I'll tell you who I am.
Here on this forum I've long gone by the name of “wherebugsgo.” In fact, for years (since 1992 in fact!) I've been surfing the internet with this alias. But, what many of you may not know is that my real name is not “wherebugsgo.” Today, however, is the day you will all see the truth, and I shall lead you all to the light.(1)
Some of you may know me alternately as WBG. This is an affectionate short-hand name often used for me by people who are incapable of pronouncing full syllables; like babies, old people, and non-native English speakers.(2) Many of you may not know, however, that it was originally coined by a dyslexic.
Yes, that's right. I'm dyslexic. I suppose you all know what that means by now-my actual initials are not WBG. They're GWB.
You heard correctly. Let in the light. Let the realization wash over you. Are you excited yet?(3)
I know that may have been hard for some of you to learn. It was hard for me too. Don't worry though, dylexia is not contagious.(4) This is my story. I was a wee little boy of 8 years old, and particularly difficult for me was third grade. I spent ten years in the God-forsaken land of Mrs. Brown's class because I couldn't read the first sentence of “James and the Giant Peach.” However, if I am elected, I will ensure that no boy, girl, or animal will ever have to be subjected to that torture! By my mandate, not one individual or corporate entity will ever be held back on the basis of illiteracy.(5) Instead, they shall all be left behind to be swallowed up by the bullies and larger companies.
In addition, I will bomb the living shit out of anyone who opposes our interests. I have connections in high places. I have intelligence that I can manipulate to prove that we are in trouble. We will kill them all, one by one if we have to. All you have to do now is believe in me.
At this point, I want your undivided attention,(6) for I will be performing the miracle. I have shed some light on my past, and what I shall do in the future, but I have been living in secrecy ever since you elected a Kenyan to office. Until I show you the present truth, that terrorist will slowly kill us all. Today, I, your most beloved Texan, will return for a third term as The Lord himself, JesusPresident of the United States of America.
Behold:
With that out of the way, I am currently looking for a running mate. If anyone believably claims Dick Cheney, he will be #2. Also, Al Gore can go fuck himself.(7)
God Bless America and her gays(8)---I mean this amazing forum.
On February 26 2012 01:25 Curu wrote: Alright guys. I don't know much, but here's what I know:
Jackal is Town. sandroba is scum. WBG is scum.
I should be Emperor.
Curu you are stupid as fuck.
On February 26 2012 21:38 wherebugsgo wrote: I've been lynched a total of twice as town; two weeks ago because my keyboard broke and 4 months ago in a game where I couldn't handle the stupidity of other townies. Namely, I thought you were scum for like 3 days straight and I got lynched because I wanted to kill all the bad townies and mafia ended up letting me.
On February 27 2012 06:33 wherebugsgo wrote: Why the fuck are people calling me scum
Scum campaign = Jackal IMO. if there is one, anyway.
On February 27 2012 06:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Rofl Zephirdd and Jackal = scum
"I'll vote WBG!" votes Jackal -_-
I need your votes people, I can't pull a Florida/Ohio this time
On February 27 2012 06:57 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm gonna vote syllo cause fuck jackal
On February 27 2012 07:06 Kurumi wrote:
Glorious Day for Soviet Union
Stalin was watching the day unfold with a huge grin on his face. Everything looked red. Red, like Soviet Union. Red, like victory. Red, like his favourite vodka name. Red, like blood of the innocent.
Also, Jackal became the Polish President. Syllogism became.. noone cares, sadly.
Jo-jo! You're picking role for one player. After that You become Thief and that makes You are able to steal role from someone and they become the new Thief. You're also Town.
Welcome to Kaller Game. You are 3rd party Gollum. You're Bulletproof and You might steal an item every night. If it's not The One Ring, You throw it away and it's given to a random player.
Actions to me and Palmar. It's now nighttime baby!
On May 26 2019 00:11 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm disappointed with artanis. NO BREAD OR FISH FOR YOU until you do something useful.
I've made plenty of reads and posted thoughts in the last 3 hours? It's mostly waiting for Calix and iGrok to return and I'm currently trying to get a better read on Disfo.
Your reads are boring rehashes of stuff that other people already said. You don't have to defend yourself against me tho, I'm just a newbie and I'm not angry with you I just feel a little bit let down.
I'm pretty sure I'm the first person to press Disfo as well as questioning WBG. I've brought up plenty of points that hadn't been made yet.
oh no you don't get back in line. You're going from 99.9% town to 99.8% for pushing Jock out of the way to buddy me here, buddy
On May 26 2019 00:09 VisceraEyes wrote: LIKE ITS NO GWB NUKE SPREE, but I did kill BC.
That post ties directly to a BC read I made this game do you know in what way Bugs? Or were you actually ignoring my posts?
I HAVE made reads on people, and I HAVE taken stances. Will you admit to overblowing your case on me?
I can't be mafia because I don't even know what roles they might have!
lololol
BTW HF, remember this post you made from obs QT last game?
OMGUS on who? Bugs? His case was literally omgus on me from n1. He defended pandain hardcore for absolutely no reason and that's still the most activity he's put into this entire game and why did he make a town case on pandain? To counter my mafia case on Pandain - who does that as town? His town case didn't even counteract any of my points and then somehow after 100% town reading me and saying I was a town leader his case for calling me mafia is that I wasn't a town leader and I cherry picked cases.
bro. bro. bro.
I think we have to agree to disagree somewhere. Maybe we can both say we both have good points. I certainly think you have great points on iGrok Just not enough of them sadly cause my Pandain-dar is tingly.
But you know I'm not really gonna Pandain iGrok here cause like I told VE earlier I ain't got no business saving him
Jock is the towniest town who ever towned on town and even though everyone else is also town in this game everyone who called him scum is scum + Show Spoiler +
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Just not enough of them sadly cause my Pandain-dar is tingly.
