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On May 24 2019 16:26 Koshi wrote: HF is mafia. Just remember that guys. Just remember it.
Tou dont have to act on it. You just have to know it.
I mean igrok just called me town the entire time soooo :D
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Jock do you think igrok's response looks like something he'd write to a mafia read?
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I think it's bit of a weak standpoint for a day 2 case, yeah. He recently just said he had no scum reads though so I think he's dropped it?
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I don't hate the artanis pressure but why is there no igrok pressure?
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My guess is that koshi saved me and he's pretending I'm mafia to avoid suspicion.
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Feel free to shoot him if that's true mafia.
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On May 24 2019 17:16 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 17:14 Holyflare wrote:I don't hate the artanis pressure but why is there no igrok pressure?  There probably will be. I've read what I've read so far and I haven't read iGrock properly. It'll happen before day 2 ends I promise you, but I'm not doing off the cuff scumhunting any more because I'm not very good at it, I need to prepare and read and get my facts straight and I'm a bit dumb so that takes time and effort.
Luckily I made a giant case for you with a tldr that you've ignored?
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Ok, please just filter him, make your own conclusion and THEN read my case after you've made your conclusion so you're not coloured with one view.
I still don't know what to think of the Artanis post. It could be a person who is struggling to make reads in a game where it's quite hard to solve who is mafia and it could be his lack of thread presence and time that contributes to it. I don't think his points are awful when he makes them (his bc meta notwithstanding) but they're definitely lacking and he's a good candidate of maybe being mafia.
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On May 24 2019 15:27 iGrok wrote:Ok, so first, rebutting HF's nonsense. ##vote HFSo he starts with my fake vote on rayne. I am literally not allowed to discuss that, sorry. ????HF will continue, throughout his entire takedown piece, bring up my initial rux/diso statement, even when I change my read after reading more. -I'm pretty sure HF doesn't understand the concept of -not tunnelling-, or (as I really think) he's scum. Or both Not even true, this was just under the category "Early D1" and was highlighting his inconsistency in readsThen he posts my "read" of Calix. The thing about my "reads" is that unlike most people, I'm not making a case. I give my thoughts. a lot is lost when I copy/paste. I'll include a picture of the map, with colors etc + Show Spoiler [blue doesn't mean blue, mafia.…] + Can I just point out that not only does this not include Calix but if he is indeed doing a points based approach with colouring he added 2 points that he AGREED with calix on later to his list and STILL scum read her. NOT TO MENTION he seems to have highlighted me calling VE out (I can't even read it, it looks like that at least) but DIRECTLY BELOW IT he has VE in fucking red. What the shit?Next, HF quotes the same post twice, somehow thinking he's trapped me by making me work after I said I was time limited. This is just... bad. No idea where I quote the same post twice, it might be easy to think I quoted the same post twice but they were 2 different igrok posts. Regardless, "Thinking he's trapped me by making me work" certainly doesn't sound like something you attribute to a mafia read.HF is very upset that I called him dumbtown. Honestly, I shouldn't have called Calix potentially dumbtown. I was a little frustrated that I hadn't caught that, if I had more time to focus then maybe I wouldn't have been frustrated. I still don't understand the dumb town thing. I have no qualms with being called dumb town, I often am. It's the inconsistency with the fact he's trying to call someone that voted for HIS MAFIA READ dumb. Why is that dumb in the slightest?HF also apparently doesn't understand what its like to not just tunnel someone. I hope that one day, I can be like as HF and have 100% confidence that I am always right the first time, every time. staple me AND DEFINITELY READS LIKE HE KNOWS I'M TOWN. Probably the WORST part of this entire post. It's my literal job if I'm mafia to push a mislynch but he's telling me that I'm 100% confident and tunelled which is calling me town 100%!!!Finally, concludes with accusing me of being mafia because I'm not in the thread. The "Where's his head at?" made me laugh. For all his filter diving of me, he still can't tell that I'M AT A FUCKING 12 HOUR/DAY INTENSIVE SEMINAR FOR WORK. As I've said. Multiple times. And no one else seems to have an issue figuring that out. This is flat out bull shit. You were in the thread multiple times since the end of d1 and posted such gems as "I said this first" or "good job" but couldn't be bothered to write one sentence on who you thought was mafia.Also, yeah the best vets were basically day 2 monsters. The meta now seems to be to Tunnel someone until they crack, and spam the shit out of the thread, but back then that was the rare exception (Palmar for example). I'm nowhere near as good as foolishness, radfield, Ace, Dr.H etc - but I think a lot of people then wanted to emulate their playstyle. I haven't played in a while, and my plan for any game where I don't know a lot of the players is to be as open as I can, and just convince them I'm townHas VE red in his list he posted above but never said anything about him. Doesn't explain fake votes. Doesn't ever update his reads.. I believe day 1 is mostly just about stirring shit up, read generation as I said before. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to talk about what my plan was day 1, and I literally can't say more than that. But yeah, none of this was for HF, this is for everyone else. Now, I've got 1 more day of seminar, and then a red-eye flight home. I'll still be reading, and commenting occasionally, but please don't fuck this up. Also, Conversion if I see you in LA, remember, no talking about the ongoing game What was the point of all this anyway? That I'm tunneled and spammy but not mafia?
Points to take away from this:
He shows us a list of reads that has VE red, not explained as far as I can see in the entire thread.
VE HF is overreacting Buuuut its ok to kill rayn rayn and wbg are unlynchable Rayn and WBG are unlynchable because they are read generating igrok is blue or red if rayn and wbg are both town, they wil shit up the thread trying to lynch each other. Its been years since i last played with them, but this tracks perfectly with my memory Point for VE
Let me just really hammer this home for you. This guy has coloured VE red and highlights points that are negative in his image here: + Show Spoiler + BUT the only point you can see that he's said anything attributing to a positive OR a negative in this entire post is a POINT FOR VE. Where is this green highlighted in this image in the slightest??????? NOWHERE.
On May 21 2019 15:14 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 15:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 15:05 iGrok wrote: Also, "NAI" is a new acronym to me, what does that mean? NAI = not alignment indicative Where’s your vote landing today? None until I finish reading the thread. VE caught something that no one else did (publicly).
HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.
No VE. Nowhere.
The rest of this post literally just explains how I'm tunneled and tells everyone that he wishes he could be 100% convinced like I am but that implies I'm town. Otherwise I'm just pushing agenda, a mislynch on someone afk, anything. He never once mentions this.
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On May 24 2019 17:47 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 17:25 Holyflare wrote: Ok, please just filter him, make your own conclusion and THEN read my case after you've made your conclusion so you're not coloured with one view.
I still don't know what to think of the Artanis post. It could be a person who is struggling to make reads in a game where it's quite hard to solve who is mafia and it could be his lack of thread presence and time that contributes to it. I don't think his points are awful when he makes them (his bc meta notwithstanding) but they're definitely lacking and he's a good candidate of maybe being mafia. I will because he needs looking at if you're gonna go for the lynch. Just so you know, though, saying "congrats you pressured me you're town" doesn't make me suddenly think "Oh shit, hf must be town." That's gonna need more than just one big long day of pressure on iGrock.
A big long day of pressure on iGrock is what you're going to get.
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So Rux became more townie, but still is less townie than BC. I wasn't active during this time, so who is now scummier than Rux and why haven't we heard about it?
He never said ruxxar became more townie? Just that calix and myself overtook him apparently. The part about his picture showing VE as red is even better though.
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On May 24 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 15:27 iGrok wrote:Ok, so first, rebutting HF's nonsense. ##vote HFSo he starts with my fake vote on rayne. I am literally not allowed to discuss that, sorry. ????HF will continue, throughout his entire takedown piece, bring up my initial rux/diso statement, even when I change my read after reading more. -I'm pretty sure HF doesn't understand the concept of -not tunnelling-, or (as I really think) he's scum. Or both Not even true, this was just under the category "Early D1" and was highlighting his inconsistency in readsThen he posts my "read" of Calix. The thing about my "reads" is that unlike most people, I'm not making a case. I give my thoughts. a lot is lost when I copy/paste. I'll include a picture of the map, with colors etc + Show Spoiler [blue doesn't mean blue, mafia.…] + Can I just point out that not only does this not include Calix but if he is indeed doing a points based approach with colouring he added 2 points that he AGREED with calix on later to his list and STILL scum read her. NOT TO MENTION he seems to have highlighted me calling VE out (I can't even read it, it looks like that at least) but DIRECTLY BELOW IT he has VE in fucking red. What the shit?Next, HF quotes the same post twice, somehow thinking he's trapped me by making me work after I said I was time limited. This is just... bad. No idea where I quote the same post twice, it might be easy to think I quoted the same post twice but they were 2 different igrok posts. Regardless, "Thinking he's trapped me by making me work" certainly doesn't sound like something you attribute to a mafia read.HF is very upset that I called him dumbtown. Honestly, I shouldn't have called Calix potentially dumbtown. I was a little frustrated that I hadn't caught that, if I had more time to focus then maybe I wouldn't have been frustrated. I still don't understand the dumb town thing. I have no qualms with being called dumb town, I often am. It's the inconsistency with the fact he's trying to call someone that voted for HIS MAFIA READ dumb. Why is that dumb in the slightest?HF also apparently doesn't understand what its like to not just tunnel someone. I hope that one day, I can be like as HF and have 100% confidence that I am always right the first time, every time. staple me AND DEFINITELY READS LIKE HE KNOWS I'M TOWN. Probably the WORST part of this entire post. It's my literal job if I'm mafia to push a mislynch but he's telling me that I'm 100% confident and tunelled which is calling me town 100%!!!Finally, concludes with accusing me of being mafia because I'm not in the thread. The "Where's his head at?" made me laugh. For all his filter diving of me, he still can't tell that I'M AT A FUCKING 12 HOUR/DAY INTENSIVE SEMINAR FOR WORK. As I've said. Multiple times. And no one else seems to have an issue figuring that out. This is flat out bull shit. You were in the thread multiple times since the end of d1 and posted such gems as "I said this first" or "good job" but couldn't be bothered to write one sentence on who you thought was mafia.Also, yeah the best vets were basically day 2 monsters. The meta now seems to be to Tunnel someone until they crack, and spam the shit out of the thread, but back then that was the rare exception (Palmar for example). I'm nowhere near as good as foolishness, radfield, Ace, Dr.H etc - but I think a lot of people then wanted to emulate their playstyle. I haven't played in a while, and my plan for any game where I don't know a lot of the players is to be as open as I can, and just convince them I'm townHas VE red in his list he posted above but never said anything about him. Doesn't explain fake votes. Doesn't ever update his reads.. I believe day 1 is mostly just about stirring shit up, read generation as I said before. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to talk about what my plan was day 1, and I literally can't say more than that. But yeah, none of this was for HF, this is for everyone else. Now, I've got 1 more day of seminar, and then a red-eye flight home. I'll still be reading, and commenting occasionally, but please don't fuck this up. Also, Conversion if I see you in LA, remember, no talking about the ongoing game What was the point of all this anyway? That I'm tunneled and spammy but not mafia? Points to take away from this: He shows us a list of reads that has VE red, not explained as far as I can see in the entire thread. Show nested quote + VE HF is overreacting Buuuut its ok to kill rayn rayn and wbg are unlynchable Rayn and WBG are unlynchable because they are read generating igrok is blue or red if rayn and wbg are both town, they wil shit up the thread trying to lynch each other. Its been years since i last played with them, but this tracks perfectly with my memory Point for VE
Let me just really hammer this home for you. This guy has coloured VE red and highlights points that are negative in his image here: + Show Spoiler + BUT the only point you can see that he's said anything attributing to a positive OR a negative in this entire post is a POINT FOR VE. Where is this green highlighted in this image in the slightest??????? NOWHERE. Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 15:14 iGrok wrote:On May 21 2019 15:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 15:05 iGrok wrote: Also, "NAI" is a new acronym to me, what does that mean? NAI = not alignment indicative Where’s your vote landing today? None until I finish reading the thread. VE caught something that no one else did (publicly). HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. No VE. Nowhere. The rest of this post literally just explains how I'm tunneled and tells everyone that he wishes he could be 100% convinced like I am but that implies I'm town. Otherwise I'm just pushing agenda, a mislynch on someone afk, anything. He never once mentions this.
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On May 24 2019 19:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:On May 24 2019 15:27 iGrok wrote:Ok, so first, rebutting HF's nonsense. ##vote HFSo he starts with my fake vote on rayne. I am literally not allowed to discuss that, sorry. ????HF will continue, throughout his entire takedown piece, bring up my initial rux/diso statement, even when I change my read after reading more. -I'm pretty sure HF doesn't understand the concept of -not tunnelling-, or (as I really think) he's scum. Or both Not even true, this was just under the category "Early D1" and was highlighting his inconsistency in readsThen he posts my "read" of Calix. The thing about my "reads" is that unlike most people, I'm not making a case. I give my thoughts. a lot is lost when I copy/paste. I'll include a picture of the map, with colors etc + Show Spoiler [blue doesn't mean blue, mafia.…] + Can I just point out that not only does this not include Calix but if he is indeed doing a points based approach with colouring he added 2 points that he AGREED with calix on later to his list and STILL scum read her. NOT TO MENTION he seems to have highlighted me calling VE out (I can't even read it, it looks like that at least) but DIRECTLY BELOW IT he has VE in fucking red. What the shit?Next, HF quotes the same post twice, somehow thinking he's trapped me by making me work after I said I was time limited. This is just... bad. No idea where I quote the same post twice, it might be easy to think I quoted the same post twice but they were 2 different igrok posts. Regardless, "Thinking he's trapped me by making me work" certainly doesn't sound like something you attribute to a mafia read.HF is very upset that I called him dumbtown. Honestly, I shouldn't have called Calix potentially dumbtown. I was a little frustrated that I hadn't caught that, if I had more time to focus then maybe I wouldn't have been frustrated. I still don't understand the dumb town thing. I have no qualms with being called dumb town, I often am. It's the inconsistency with the fact he's trying to call someone that voted for HIS MAFIA READ dumb. Why is that dumb in the slightest?HF also apparently doesn't understand what its like to not just tunnel someone. I hope that one day, I can be like as HF and have 100% confidence that I am always right the first time, every time. staple me AND DEFINITELY READS LIKE HE KNOWS I'M TOWN. Probably the WORST part of this entire post. It's my literal job if I'm mafia to push a mislynch but he's telling me that I'm 100% confident and tunelled which is calling me town 100%!!!Finally, concludes with accusing me of being mafia because I'm not in the thread. The "Where's his head at?" made me laugh. For all his filter diving of me, he still can't tell that I'M AT A FUCKING 12 HOUR/DAY INTENSIVE SEMINAR FOR WORK. As I've said. Multiple times. And no one else seems to have an issue figuring that out. This is flat out bull shit. You were in the thread multiple times since the end of d1 and posted such gems as "I said this first" or "good job" but couldn't be bothered to write one sentence on who you thought was mafia.Also, yeah the best vets were basically day 2 monsters. The meta now seems to be to Tunnel someone until they crack, and spam the shit out of the thread, but back then that was the rare exception (Palmar for example). I'm nowhere near as good as foolishness, radfield, Ace, Dr.H etc - but I think a lot of people then wanted to emulate their playstyle. I haven't played in a while, and my plan for any game where I don't know a lot of the players is to be as open as I can, and just convince them I'm townHas VE red in his list he posted above but never said anything about him. Doesn't explain fake votes. Doesn't ever update his reads.. I believe day 1 is mostly just about stirring shit up, read generation as I said before. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to talk about what my plan was day 1, and I literally can't say more than that. But yeah, none of this was for HF, this is for everyone else. Now, I've got 1 more day of seminar, and then a red-eye flight home. I'll still be reading, and commenting occasionally, but please don't fuck this up. Also, Conversion if I see you in LA, remember, no talking about the ongoing game What was the point of all this anyway? That I'm tunneled and spammy but not mafia? Points to take away from this: He shows us a list of reads that has VE red, not explained as far as I can see in the entire thread. VE HF is overreacting Buuuut its ok to kill rayn rayn and wbg are unlynchable Rayn and WBG are unlynchable because they are read generating igrok is blue or red if rayn and wbg are both town, they wil shit up the thread trying to lynch each other. Its been years since i last played with them, but this tracks perfectly with my memory Point for VE
Let me just really hammer this home for you. This guy has coloured VE red and highlights points that are negative in his image here: + Show Spoiler + BUT the only point you can see that he's said anything attributing to a positive OR a negative in this entire post is a POINT FOR VE. Where is this green highlighted in this image in the slightest??????? NOWHERE. On May 21 2019 15:14 iGrok wrote:On May 21 2019 15:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 15:05 iGrok wrote: Also, "NAI" is a new acronym to me, what does that mean? NAI = not alignment indicative Where’s your vote landing today? None until I finish reading the thread. VE caught something that no one else did (publicly). HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. No VE. Nowhere. The rest of this post literally just explains how I'm tunneled and tells everyone that he wishes he could be 100% convinced like I am but that implies I'm town. Otherwise I'm just pushing agenda, a mislynch on someone afk, anything. He never once mentions this.
Do you KNOW what the best part about this case is? The fact he doesn't scum read VE in the early game reads list quoted here but has points from d1 VE highlighted red means he either:
A) Changed this read on VE between those 2 posts but never said B) Has just colour coded things after the fact
But do you know what's more hilarious? The fact that he's posting this screenshot NOW as proof that he's updating the reads means HE TOOK THIS SCREENSHOT AT LEAST BEFORE HIS READS LIST OF HF, CALIX, RUX, ARTANIS, BC SO IT'S ALREADY A PREPREPARED SCREENSHOT.
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On May 24 2019 19:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 19:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 24 2019 19:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 24 2019 19:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Artanis is good seeing you dog I'm sorry you can't be as active as others this game.
Are you mafia? It hurts me to hear you ask this  Oh no it doesn't you get out. Like I know how inactive as town you can be and it's worse this game than that. Also the points against you are salient. Don't act all hurt bbyboi, you should be happy that someone in this town cares to look.  You remember me from a time when I didn't have a job and a wife my friend, I haven't played much at all since then. Please do not try to read me from activity as it will lead you astray. Please tell me which salient points cannot be rebutted by time invested compared to thread length and I will address them.
How come you obsed in the last game where BC was mafia but didn't know that his mafia game looked completely different to what he's posting here?
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On May 24 2019 20:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 17:25 Holyflare wrote: Ok, please just filter him, make your own conclusion and THEN read my case after you've made your conclusion so you're not coloured with one view.
I still don't know what to think of the Artanis post. It could be a person who is struggling to make reads in a game where it's quite hard to solve who is mafia and it could be his lack of thread presence and time that contributes to it. I don't think his points are awful when he makes them (his bc meta notwithstanding) but they're definitely lacking and he's a good candidate of maybe being mafia. Disfo my dearest friend. Is it believable that hf is so prudent of Artanis his alignment? Based on his filter. (You dont need to reread filter. Just base it on your feelds)
I got townie feels from Artanis at several parts of the game which I have never got from iGrok, ever. Do you understand how people get treated differently based on what they do or do not do?
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On May 24 2019 20:11 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 20:04 Koshi wrote:On May 24 2019 17:25 Holyflare wrote: Ok, please just filter him, make your own conclusion and THEN read my case after you've made your conclusion so you're not coloured with one view.
I still don't know what to think of the Artanis post. It could be a person who is struggling to make reads in a game where it's quite hard to solve who is mafia and it could be his lack of thread presence and time that contributes to it. I don't think his points are awful when he makes them (his bc meta notwithstanding) but they're definitely lacking and he's a good candidate of maybe being mafia. Disfo my dearest friend. Is it believable that hf is so prudent of Artanis his alignment? Based on his filter. (You dont need to reread filter. Just base it on your feelds) not fully sure on art myself. so it kinda makes sense that some other town dude also struggles with reading art. and the thread indeed moves 10 pages a second. and unlike grok, art always does _something_ when hes here. though not sure why hf says arts stuff isnt awful, eg arts n1 stuff looked very rushed and as i stated last page if found the waffle off bc a bit strange.
I mean comparatively. Having a bad meta on BC and his read on bugs being shit is BAD but not nearly as awful as having 2 reads the entire game that don't make sense and getting caught out posting screenshots from early in the game that don't align with what you've said as evidence you're doing stuff now
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I don't know what Koshi's angle is here though. Is he trying to lynch Artanis over iGrok but not actually commenting on anything iGrok says even though iGrok used to be in Koshi's list and vanished for no reason?
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HOLD UP GUYS I'M GONNA MAKE A POST
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I appreciate your candour, thank you for replying with your well articulated and thought out response.
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Is there any reason you are saving Calix who was your mafia read for the entire game to lynch Artanis other than that he cased bugs?
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