iGrok
Early D1
Mid D1
Late D1
TL;DR
His read progression
Early D1
iGrok began the game with the scummiest vote in the game to date. Do you remember why rayn was voted? Initially, for a fake case that led to actual scum reads being formed on his lack of response. After that was established and the initial votes were outlined to be purely pressure and not actually a case against rayn shortly after iGrok entered with:
On May 19 2019 22:29 iGrok wrote:
I think rayne got fucked by host, but I'm not going to not take advantage of it.
I'm also going to be on a plane most of today. Probably different one than Artanis though lol
##vote: Raynpelikoneet
This has later been stated to be a "fake vote"
On May 22 2019 07:05 iGrok wrote:
@HF I never voted for rayn. fake voted him in thread only, when he was making his silly fake role pm play
But what did iGrok achieve with his fake vote?
HF says VE's aggro on me is nonsense. Still votes for me, but his logic seems good
The only thing we ever see related to his fake claim is in fact him saying my logic for voting him was good. Literally the only thing in the thread gained from the "joke vote" that garnered way more conversation than just me talking about it.
He makes literally 2 summaries on VE and myself:
On May 21 2019 15:03 iGrok wrote:
Right now (~1/3 of the way through), mapping relationships and noting key moments.
Shorthand on key moments from them - Conversion hasn't really said shit yet (remember, this isn't all the way caught up yet):
Conv
jokingly lynch HF
HF
Rayn is Mafia
rayn is passive, therefore is mafia
HF says VE's aggro on me is nonsense. Still votes for me, but his logic seems good
keeps hammering on me calling rayn mafia, even though i'm not in the thread. honestly i'm an easy target because I've publicly stated I won't be in the thread
Calix is scummy
VE
HF is overreacting
Buuuut its ok to kill rayn
rayn and wbg are unlynchable
Rayn and WBG are unlynchable because they are read generating
igrok is blue or red
if rayn and wbg are both town, they wil shit up the thread trying to lynch each other.
Its been years since i last played with them, but this tracks perfectly with my memory Point for VE
Technically 3 because Conversion has 1 line. But then he wants Disfo and Rux lynched?
On May 21 2019 15:46 iGrok wrote:
still not caught up, but so far I want rux or disinfo lynched.
For what?
On May 22 2019 01:56 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 22:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:iGrok you said
still not caught up, but so far I want rux or disinfo lynched.
but wrote "thoughts" on people who are not disfo or ruxxar, before and after this post. and nothing on disfo & ruxxar.
Frankly nothing that disinfo wrote stands out. I still don't have a single thing written down under "key moments" for them. Could be bored town, could be afk mafia, no idea.
I think bugs made a pretty good case on rux in #1096.
Also, I previously said to review #682 for rux. I meant to type #862, but it was 1am and I misread my own notes. Apologies.
That they literally post boring things? No key moments? Could be bored town or afk mafia but he wants to lynch them?? So why, after he's posted 1 line about Conversion does he not feature in this random list of bs?
On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote:
alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.
And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.
Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.
Some hidden thought counts for future use:
BC:1
WBG:2
HF:2
VE:4
Rux:1
Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.
No key moments for Ruxxar but he has a 1 in this hidden list of who knows what? For post 862 which is ????? Is Ruxxar mafia with no key moments but also because he's boring but also because bugs said so in a case against ruxxar at some point? This is inconsistent already.
Mid D1
Calix read:
On May 21 2019 16:31 iGrok wrote:
Man, I'm out of practice. I really want to feel like calix is mafia, but I can tell if its because she is making bad aggro on me and I'm overreacting.
It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were:
Calix
HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good - Not scummy?
-Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum it's just basic, why is that alignment specific??? Furthermore, a lot of Calix's few points highlight how townie she finds Jock - which iGrok scum reads me for scum reading Jock later so it's not even like he disagrees with this post
stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons not scummy
Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy makes no conclusion?
Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad why is this scummy???
BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? not sure what this even means but if it's referring to bc defending igrok then that's a perfectly valid point for calix to raise
Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well.
But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts?
Just a summary but I broke it down quite well before. I'll add red above to show. The problem with iGrok's posts is he makes absolutely no valid conclusion to ANY of his posts. He posts a summary, with the conclusion above it but the conclusion doesn't add up with the highlighted summary posts in the slightest?
Later he re-summarises why he scum reads Calix but he only added these points:
Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also
pushes rayn
-#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr
Ruxxar is maybe not scum (which iGrok actually ends up AGREEING WITH and petitioning against later in the thread (really loosely). Lots of true points about Rayn. How are ANY of these points adding up to Calix being MORE mafia than before? This is especially the case when he just randomly threw my name into being mafia and then essentially wrote a "case" for Calix and not me.
The same happens with me when I essentially have to force him to commit to a read on me:
On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote:
Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions
HF turn on Jock was based on an inconsistency that was dropped immediately when Jock appeared frustrated yet he is saying I ONLY started it when he became demotivated which is simply not the case. What is wrong with pushing an inconsistency anyway? Apparently it's only ever to gain momentum with me. So I pushed him to clarify and this is what he said:
On May 22 2019 05:02 iGrok wrote:
@HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon.
Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch.
Don't be dumb, guys.
I called him out on this and he complained:
HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.
but he finally did it after I forced him:
On May 22 2019 05:02 iGrok wrote:
@HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon.
Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch.
Don't be dumb, guys.
Notice especially the bold. Remember his earlier posts??
HF says VE's aggro on me is nonsense. Still votes for me, but his logic seems good
He's using what he town read me for to now add to his scum read. My question was "who did I push when it looked like momentum was going for them?" His response was:
Rayn: I STARTED the momentum against him!!!!!!!
Himself: He AGREED with the logic I used and like, wtf, why do I care about when someone is afk and why would that stop me voting him?
Calix out on her opening post NEVER EVER EVER happened. Ever.
Ruxxar because I already explained, it was opportunistic etc. Lots of posts on it already, certainly no MOMENTUM against ruxxar that I was taking advantage of, just posting what I thought was scummy.
Jock did not start to feel upset and then I took advantage, never happened. I found an inconsistency and then he started to feel bad and I stopped pressuring him completely when I realised the mistake and he explained.
Back to VE and rayn????? ????????????? never??????? VE briefly for like 1/2 a second until his next post but I never forced that read or tried to gain momentum for that lynch
It's all fabricated. Disformation also goes through it and confirms but he never updates that read at all, ever. I'm still mafia to him as far as I'm aware like 5 days later.
Late D1
His reads are essentially myself or Calix. I BRIEFLY said Calix was mafia and never voted her which is apparently a next level play if we're both mafia or something but disfo points it out that me going for an easy lynch on Calix means it's unlikely we're mafia together iGrok has a revelation:
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote:
Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.
##unvote calix while processing
But here's the thing:
On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote:
iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.
Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa
Why does he have to decide if Calix is mafia and I'm dumb town or vice versa. If mafia never votes each other in that situation like he says and he has a big scum read on Calix for (I don't really even know why) then why am I not just town voting on mafia? This is a false dichotomy. Note the language. DUMB town. Why would it be DUMB town to vote on HIS MAFIA READ. It's quite literally the worst adjective to use in this situation:
On May 22 2019 07:09 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 07:05 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote:
Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.
##unvote calix while processing
On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote:
iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.
Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa
How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario.
Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town.
But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this?
How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario?
If you are going for an easy lynch on anyone you can, you are mafia.
If you are mafia, and you try to push an easy lynch on calix, calix is not mafia.
If you legit thought calix was mafia, so you tried to lynch him, you are town.
Are you with me?
Nothing explains why he used the word DUMB town. It should simply be town voting his mafia read but he specifically included that word, imo by mistake. He's trying to downplay it quite conveniently in case it all goes wrong. "Oh, hf was just a dumb town voting calix after all, how was I supposed to know when he played like mafia?".
Now, the meat and potatoes of it all, his voting!!
On May 22 2019 06:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Calix (2): RuXxar, Raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes , Artanis[Xp], Holyflare
Raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, Wherebugsgo, Jockmcplop, Calix, Calix, Jockmcplop
iGrok (2): VisceraEyes , Holyflare, Holyflare, VisceraEyes
BloodyC0bbler(2): Artanis[Xp], Disformation
RuXxar (1): Wherebugsgo, BloodyC0bbler , Disformation, Wherebugsgo
Holyflare (1): Conversion , ruxxar
Koshi(1): Conversion
Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler
VisceraEyes (0):BloodyC0bbler
Jockmcplop (0): Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Holyflare
Disformation (0): Conversion, Wherebugsgo
Wherebugsgo (0): Artanis[Xp] , VisceraEyes , Koshi
conversion(0): Jockmcplop, Calix
Not voting (1): iGrok
BloodyC0bbler is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
This is what the lynch list looks like just before iGrok votes at May 21 2019 22:29 BST above ^
This is what it looks like after he votes AND UNVOTES (unvotes 21 2019 22:44 BST):
On May 22 2019 06:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Calix (2): RuXxar, Raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes , Artanis[Xp], Holyflare, iGrok
Raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, Wherebugsgo, Jockmcplop, Calix, Calix, Jockmcplop
iGrok (2): VisceraEyes , Holyflare, Holyflare, VisceraEyes
BloodyC0bbler(2): Artanis[Xp], Disformation
RuXxar (1): Wherebugsgo, BloodyC0bbler , Disformation, Wherebugsgo
Holyflare (1): Conversion , ruxxar
Koshi(1): Conversion
Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler
VisceraEyes (0):BloodyC0bbler
Jockmcplop (0): Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Holyflare
Disformation (0): Conversion, Wherebugsgo
Wherebugsgo (0): Artanis[Xp] , VisceraEyes , Koshi
conversion(0): Jockmcplop, Calix
Not voting (1): iGrok
Calix is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
This is during the chain of events where disfo is saying calix and I can't be mafia together:
On May 22 2019 06:29 iGrok wrote:
I'm actually getting invested in this game now. I should really be focusing on this seminar but like... I'm getting pulled back in.
I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch.
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote:
Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.
##unvote calix while processing
This has already put Calix in the lead.
There's a lot of back and forth between me and him arguing points while this is what he's saying to Calix:
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
Calix is putting words in his mouth, manipulating his statements.
On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote:
Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.
Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it
He still fucking reads BOTH me and Calix mafia but only one of us is!!!!!!! Why isn't he trying to figure out any of this shit????
Then he goes on to make some "this is why I think holyflare over RUXXAR" who literally just gained votes and I can't even comprehend the logic stuff he uses. He went through Ruxxar's filter, determined he was town then used a logic puzzle to theorise that if there's mafia between calix, ruxxar or hf then hf has to be scum because the others wouldn't bus. Ok, it's absolutely terrible logic because doesn't assume he could be wrong on any of us WHICH HE ACKNOWLEDGES HE'S ALREADY WRONG ON AT LEAST ONE.
HE DECIDES I'M THEN SCUMMY BUT STILL SAYS WE'RE BOTH SCUMMY:
On May 22 2019 10:41 iGrok wrote:
Lol, Calix and HF on "INDEPENDENT TERMS" are red.
The weakest of those assertions is the Calix/HF one, because HF switched off calix fairly quickly. Why you're attacking the ruxx/hf assertion doesn't make sense. In your words, "Come the fuck on".
Ruxxar's filter is filled with brief periods of activity which go like this: "I'm back, here's a quick summary, some filler posts, bye". H's acting like a dude who doesn't have a whole lot of time to put into writing up stuff, but he is clearly reading based on his quotes in his posts. Not everyone spams like You, HF, Koshi, or VE.
So why the fuck did he end up voting me!!!!!!!!!!
On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote:
Because I don't think I can get HF lynched.
He legitimately spends from 2:16 BST to 3:16 BST AN ENTIRE HOUR talking about logic and NOT DEFENDING RUXXAR OR MAKING A COUNTER WAGON TO STOP HIM DYING even though he logiced that ruxxar MUST be town out of the three of me/calix and votes for me over calix!
then berates bugs for the lynch!
On May 22 2019 12:28 iGrok wrote:
fuck you bugs, you know I was right
He's posted nothing of note but excuses, little side comments and afking since this post almost 2 real life days ago. Where's his head at? Why not a single update? No vote? Demotivation from no nk? Who knows.
TL;DR
His early game reads are inconsistent at best. Ruxxar and disformation appear out of nowhere but even those reads don't add up. Missing other players that have done the exact same things (Conversion).
His Ruxxar read is reportedly mafia OR bored town for being boring and doing nothing but he has actual points on Ruxxar and says bugs case against ruxxar was good. So, it's not just that ruxxar was boring is it?
His Calix read and all of his reads really, are just summaries. Nothing he says about Calix adds up to a scum read, especially the strong one he has. He adds points later to Calix that are actually things he agrees with Calix on so why does it get STRONGER after he adds those????
His read on me is so unbelievably incorrect. When questioned I forced him to provide examples and he got called out for them being wrong but when proven wrong he ignores it and still pushes the incorrect logic.
He unvoted Calix when disfo said why did hf vote calix if they're both mafia like it was some revelation (but I didn't really even ever vote her so we both could easily be mafia??) but he never really summarises this correctly.
He unvoted Calix but still called her mafia, said he would never be able to lynch me, suddenly town read Ruxxar when he was up for lynch and instead of trying to stop the wagon he argued about logic of why I was mafia out of the 3 for an hour and berated bugs for ruxxar dying and being town when he did nothing to stop it and even saved his scum read in the process.
He's afkd forever (allegedly will change from Friday on so excited to see what fire he brings that isn't myself or Calix).
Result:
[red]Mafia[red]
Please vote, lynch with fire. Alternatively, give him till Friday when he returns and quiz the shit out of him then realise your mistake and lynch him anyway.
EPT
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