EPTOn May 24 2019 18:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm here, gonna read HF's massive dump on iGrok now.
I'm here, gonna read HF's massive dump on iGrok now.
Can you respond to #3011 and the few posts after please??
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On May 24 2019 18:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I just looked over it and I don't see any questions in it addressed to me? Obviously I believed in what I said. Your 'questions' read more like convictions so I dunno what you want from me really. I've already had part of my BC and WBG cases rebutted and now I'm looking into where to go from here. ok Maybe we can pick this up later depending on what we both have to say about iGrock... | ||
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On May 24 2019 18:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can you point out to me who you're thinking of exactly? I may be able to point out the difference in tone as to why it struck me with WBG whereas it didn't with others. It may also be that I simply wasn't around at the time or have a different meta read on others, as there's plenty of players in the game I've played with many times before. Yes but I'm at work so serching through the thread is a pain. You gonna be here in about 2 hours? | ||
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I'll be back in a bit with a proper post on it. Basically hf you and koshi are both making me paranoid. I'm being toyed with by someone. Just know that I know that. I'm pretty sure anyone else who is active except maybe VE feels something similar... | ||
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On May 24 2019 20:54 Holyflare wrote: I don't know what I've done to make you paranoid other than make a read on someone you think now looks bad! That's the nature of the game, I suppose. You're right to be paranoid of Koshi though, I taught him everything he knows. He's like that rebellious apprentice that always wants to beat their master but can't quite reach that level yet. You let me attack you for ages and then said 'right i'm taking over the thread'. You acted somewhat scummy somewhat deliberately and now you want to be in charge and it'll probably just happen... On top of that you're trying to get me to work with you in a town circle to find scum while imposing your agenda, whatever that is, on the group as much as you can. Why shouldn't I be paranoid? | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:05 Holyflare wrote: It was never deliberately, I simply didn't have time. Fair play, its irrelevant right now anyway. | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:09 disformation wrote: think that is just part of the play style and fun some of the "veteran" players have here. They like to project confidence (or are just that confident) as that helps them to achieve their goals, regardless of alignment. Just take a look of rayn, koshi and hf. All three are usually very confident in their reads and it takes solid arguments to convince them otherwise. so can this be scum!hf trying to steer town in a bad direct? yes. can also be town!hf saying: "i need to step up my game so we actually lynch scum here". Yeah of course, that's kinda my point. He says I shouldn't be paranoid but is taking over the town while acting in a way that makes it very difficult to be sure that he's not mafia. I'm not calling him scum, I'm explaining to him what he already knows. | ||
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Some bits might be paraphrased because I've copied/pasted out of my notes but the content is exactly what I think about him. First big post #991- summary of two players. Doesn't tell us anything about him really Immediately insinuates a townread on VE due to meta. #1014 RUX/DiSFO early scumread #1044 Calix. Bad case. Not necessarily alignment indicative on its own but a bad case. "I'm not making a case. I give my thoughts." It looks like a bad case to me. This answer is scummy. The thing about my cases is you shouldn't really listen to them or bring them up later???? #1638 Thinks bugs made a good case on ruxx #1096 BUGS: He has consistently just disappeared after every short burst of activity and his “progressions” are just odd. As you pointed out he just completely dropped the Calix/conversion business; what happened to one of them being scum? He also had a set up into calling BC scum but dropped that too. No idea why he mentions rayn in his post on you either, just seems like a forced mention especially because rayn was nearly completely absent for 24 hours. Can see how that looks like a good case. DOESN'T FIT WITH THIS: HF will continue, throughout his entire takedown piece, bring up my initial rux/diso statement, even when I change my read after reading more. -I'm pretty sure HF doesn't understand the concept of -not tunnelling-, or (as I really think) he's scum. Or both The changing read hadn't changed by this point. iGrock was still saying he liked Bugs' case on Ruxx. 13 minutes later he calls ruxx a townie for admitting to having trouble making reads. This read progression makes no sense to me. With the chaos of day 1, particularly in a high post volume game, I can't see any reason why I would about turn on a scumread because they admitted not being able to make reads. That's well within mafia range. | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:27 Calix wrote: I don't think that last point is what makes iGrok mafia. Disformation and myself had doubts on ruxxar for a similar reason IIRC. Its not just that he townread him for acting confused in a confusing game, its that he went from a scumread, while saying just 13 minutes earlier that he liked bugs' case on ruxxar, to townread for something that might put doubts in your mind as to whether he's scum but doesn't seem like that huge a deal to go from scum to townie in a post or two. Its not as damning as the timing though. hf is right about the voting thing. That doesn't look good at all. Ruxxar doesn't even mention this once in his response either. His response to hf this morning was pretty bad in every way as well tbh. There was a bit of 'LOOK AT ME AND THE EFFORT I PUT IN YOU GUYS LIKE THAT RIGHT??' in there, he picked on little things from the case instead of looking at the big points like the voting. | ||
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I hope Artanis does something good tomorrow. | ||
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On May 24 2019 22:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Frankly at this point I'm taking mafia reads of me as scumclaims.  By 'at this point' I assume you mean THE ENTIRE GAME SO FAR. | ||
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On May 24 2019 22:05 Holyflare wrote: It's understandable you missed it and kinda shows you haven't read a single thing igrok said but it's here: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/547420-72-24-midnight-sun-mafia?page=150#2992 Every time I read that post it looks worse. | ||
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On May 24 2019 22:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Bro I've never called HF mafia and he called me mafia. I've similarly never been red on Bugs. I was only joking. I do remember a 'I'm starting to think jock might be scum' around the time I said I was starting to think you might be scum though. | ||
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On May 24 2019 22:10 Holyflare wrote: Who shall I call mafia next? Calix? Koshi. Just for fun. | ||
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