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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 07:03 GMT
#2447
On May 23 2019 14:52 Jockmcplop wrote:
hf what did calix do to end up more scummy on your list?


Nothing specifically. Maybe voting ruxxar over igrok. Also the fact igrok dodged her and still scum read her to vote me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 07:24 GMT
#2452
He's realised scum reading me is futile

As will you soon enough.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 07:25 GMT
#2453
Can't you see igrok was around for deadline and vanished again with nothing to give?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 07:43 GMT
#2456
Do you know how many people have taken a definitive defensive stance on igrok for no reason? I do.

Bugs/bc - igrok is a vet so he votes for rayn (now igroks vote was fake). Igrok is just afk don't vote him even though what he's done is scummy. Changed now to minorly scum read him but no passion.

Calix - full on scum read at deadline, doesn't want to vote ruxxar over igrok who is blatantly scummy. Igrok appeals to her and she drops it in the blink of an eye. Not to mention igrok saving her but scum reading her. Either they're partners or he did some social engineering saying he was unvoting her. Either way it makes him mafia here.

Koshi - defended igrok but still had him in his list, not voting him but still saying he's scummy

You - seem to think he's scummy but we won't learn anything but why do you think he's scummy but also myself and artanis are scummy? Like you said, he's all I've pushed

Artanis - I don't think he's taken a stance on igrok as far as I remember which is really reallllyyyy bad

Rayn - just doing his own thing. Think he said town read or some shit but he seems super nonchalant about it

Ve - said igrok scummy, would vote eventually

Disfo - got the dirt on igrok and hopeful he will vote but voted not igrok at the end of the day. Dunno if I blame him

Conv - would rather talk about logic with igrok and meta about koshi than game solving or giving a read on igrok

So, no, talking about igrok isn't all I'm doing. I collect all the information I need around igrok for after his flip. I also have been narrowing down my town pool all night because that's how you find mafia. To you it might look like "igrok did x, y, z" but to me it's "oh he said something that I'm agreeing with, move him up in the arbitrary town list" and as you can see my read list has shifted overnight.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 12:00 GMT
#2573
On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.


I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 12:10 GMT
#2579
On May 23 2019 19:26 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 19:20 Koshi wrote:
My mafia team is still
Calix
BC
Artanis

BUT

I am now willing to vote somebody else than Calix.

And I still think HF is mafia. For real.

I really dont think iGrok is mafia and maybe mafia is setting up the TvT with Calix/iGrok.

iGrok is just not looking evil. Maybe helpless? Even though he provides his ideas. Dnu.

I feel the thread has put more doubt in iGrok than he deserves for sure.


This is so bs. There's been like 8 people defending igrok and not even scum reading him. YOU scum read him and then you don't anymore in your list for what reason that has changed?

It's like pulling teeth to lynch the scummiest behaving person I've seen in a long long time. That's crazy.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 12:13 GMT
#2581
On May 23 2019 19:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I know this will likely damn me but whatever.

I am looking into Igroks filter. Opening a post and reading the thread around it for context and I just dont see it. He is actively trying to figure the thread out IMO and his reads do appear to change based on how the thread progresses. Again, he can easily be fooling me but I just don't see how he priority in lynching at this moment in time.

As such

##vote artanis


This is the most untrue thing I've read in my life. You have to be mafia defending igrok.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 12:21 GMT
#2587
On May 23 2019 21:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.

"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.

I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.

That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.


Literally posted this pages ago =\


Why does he do this if he still scum reads calix after it? Why unvote calix?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 12:22 GMT
#2588
Just you know, work makes me shit, not a thread leader and passive. Tomorrow I am off work. Be prepared to lynch igrok.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 12:26 GMT
#2590
From what I've seen I keep downgrading calix and then she posts and I upgrade her. I am doing it again.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 12:31 GMT
#2591
Got training today so sporadic till evening.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 13:59 GMT
#2620
On May 23 2019 21:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 21:21 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2019 21:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.

"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.

I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.

That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.


Literally posted this pages ago =\


Why does he do this if he still scum reads calix after it? Why unvote calix?


Similar reasons to Ruxxar not really trying to dissuade people from voting for him?

Like, I do see where you are coming from but if you arent 100% on a read and fear it might hit town (who could very well by lynched) why wouldnt you remove said vote if it could save them.


Because:

A) he still scum reads calix from what he said afterwards
B) he let his town read die because of it
C) he afkd a vote on a wagon he himself said had no way of happening
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 14:02 GMT
#2622
On May 23 2019 22:24 Conversion wrote:
onto a more salient point:

Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.


I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.


I'm like 99.99% sure I do not ever engage you directly unless you engage me first, unless I'm doing some D1 lynch holyflare that never gets traction. I'll attempt to eat a shoe and probably fail if I'm wrong, but a quick filter into past games confirm that


That's what I meant. I felt like you'd be more convicted on this lynch hf shtick after obs last game. Like I said, really a stretch.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 15:56 GMT
#2715
On May 23 2019 23:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote:
My other question would be:
Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird???

There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again....


HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered.
Does anyone else think this was super weird.


On May 23 2019 23:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote:
My other question would be:
Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird???

There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again....


HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered.
Does anyone else think this was super weird.


I can easily answer it for you. I can see how it would be weird for you but I don't think I'd ever interact with a mafia partner like that. I normally just bus or hard defend, none of this meek in between stuff that makes me look bad because of indecision.

The thing about this game is that my early play will be so polarising to a work week that it's like a whole different player. This game is like the last thing on my mind (that's a lie really) but I just pop in and see a post and register it as a post I don't like but my critical evaluation brain is switched off and I'll just blurt out my thoughts quickly. I'll go back to work pondering my skim and come back and say what I've been thinking even if it's wrong. This is exactly why I got pushed and lynched last game, for misremembering something and pushing it as fact (just nobody called me out on it till I get lynched).

So, I called artanis out for something I believed he did wrong and his call out made me look back at his filter and correct myself.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 16:02 GMT
#2718
On May 24 2019 00:56 Jockmcplop wrote:
I hate to keep harping on how weirdly hf is playing this game buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.....

I'm struggling to find any meta examples of hf's vote landing off one of the major wagons, like ever. Until day 1 of this game.

This might be tunneling but there's so much weird stuff its hard not to get drawn into it,know what i mean?


My dude, I was the leading wagon voter I think when I went to bed. It was 5am when the flip and shenanigans happened. It's normally an eu friendly deadline or at least like 12 to 1am max so I stick around.

I didn't do a fake claim this game because a) I've effectively ruined the last 2 games doing it and people never learn and even lynched me for it twice and b) it was 5am!

I think you're pretty tunnelled
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 16:05 GMT
#2720
On May 24 2019 01:04 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 01:02 Holyflare wrote:
On May 24 2019 00:56 Jockmcplop wrote:
I hate to keep harping on how weirdly hf is playing this game buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.....

I'm struggling to find any meta examples of hf's vote landing off one of the major wagons, like ever. Until day 1 of this game.

This might be tunneling but there's so much weird stuff its hard not to get drawn into it,know what i mean?


My dude, I was the leading wagon voter I think when I went to bed. It was 5am when the flip and shenanigans happened. It's normally an eu friendly deadline or at least like 12 to 1am max so I stick around.

I didn't do a fake claim this game because a) I've effectively ruined the last 2 games doing it and people never learn and even lynched me for it twice and b) it was 5am!

I think you're pretty tunnelled


WOuld you get tunnelled if someone who had been playing every single game here in a similar fashion all of a sudden started playing completely differently??
I mean you've admitted that that's what's happening so surely you can understand....
Considering we both agree that you're behaving weirdly surely we can both agree that it all comes down to whether I believe your reasons for it, right?


I don't think I'm playing this game any different to the last game at all?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 16:06 GMT
#2721
You'll hopefully see the old me tomorrow!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 16:08 GMT
#2724
On May 24 2019 01:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 01:05 Holyflare wrote:
On May 24 2019 01:04 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 24 2019 01:02 Holyflare wrote:
On May 24 2019 00:56 Jockmcplop wrote:
I hate to keep harping on how weirdly hf is playing this game buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.....

I'm struggling to find any meta examples of hf's vote landing off one of the major wagons, like ever. Until day 1 of this game.

This might be tunneling but there's so much weird stuff its hard not to get drawn into it,know what i mean?


My dude, I was the leading wagon voter I think when I went to bed. It was 5am when the flip and shenanigans happened. It's normally an eu friendly deadline or at least like 12 to 1am max so I stick around.

I didn't do a fake claim this game because a) I've effectively ruined the last 2 games doing it and people never learn and even lynched me for it twice and b) it was 5am!

I think you're pretty tunnelled


WOuld you get tunnelled if someone who had been playing every single game here in a similar fashion all of a sudden started playing completely differently??
I mean you've admitted that that's what's happening so surely you can understand....
Considering we both agree that you're behaving weirdly surely we can both agree that it all comes down to whether I believe your reasons for it, right?


I don't think I'm playing this game any different to the last game at all?



Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:
The thing about this game is that my early play will be so polarising to a work week that it's like a whole different player. This game is like the last thing on my mind (that's a lie really) but I just pop in and see a post and register it as a post I don't like but my critical evaluation brain is switched off and I'll just blurt out my thoughts quickly.



Within the game it will be different because I have free time on a weekend. Which is the same as every game. Although last game I was buying a house so it was similar the whole time.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 16:11 GMT
#2728
No, they're good points to pick up on but unfortunately don't mean anything. It would probably be quite beneficial if you read some of my games where I'm mafia maybe? Although that will also be a time when I had more free time you can get a sense of my style. I normally imo just pick up on a point and hammer at it until I get a mislynch whereas town I kinda do that but actually have an ongoing poe with really shit feels and reasoning entwined in it. I also get swayed off things really easily.

Unlike this igrok guy who yet again posted an afk excuse.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2019 16:15 GMT
#2733
If my name wasn't Holyflare would you be saying the same thing? Or is it just a preconceived notion because you know what I'm capable of?
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