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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 17:03 GMT
#4235
Hello, HF

I was wondering how you concluded 'he's probably town' when a lot of your post was negative and poking holes in BC's D1 play, etc.

I mostly just read him as town because of how different he is from his mafia meta. And I checked multiple games. The only mafia games I found that even REMOTELY resemble BC's filter this game are from ~8 years ago and the main reason he seemed less aggressive is because a lot of posts were talking about setup, roles, etc, as opposed to players.

So overall I'd say meta points towards town.

Not 100% though because, as you pointed out, there is quite a bit to dislike about his play. But yeah.

@WBG, HF is calling BC town in that wall-post, lmao. Believe it or not.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 17:08 GMT
#4241
On May 26 2019 02:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 01:47 Calix wrote:
Artanis: Came into game thread, looked into players, posed questions to scum-reads, gets to the point and actually plays the game despite being short of time instead of whining.

iGrok: Talked about how he played, had loads of null reads he did not look into, only has two scum-reads where one of them is his counter-wagon, many posts where he shitposts or does nothing despite complaining about spam, etc.

Town: OMG this game is so hard. How can we POSSIBLY choose between these two?

If you want evidence that this 'choice' literally could not be easier, just look at Page 6 of iGrok's filter. That has pretty much every D2 post he's made so far.


help me lynch Koshi & rayn & VE tomorrow, tell me who you think is best to up first for death.

You're also going to need to help me and HF mend our reads because HF is about to go off on BC and that will lose us the game


Do you not think iGrok is mafia then? And that the team is Koshi/ rayn/ VE?

I'd want rayn dead tomorrow but I am curious as to what 'bomb' you're planning on dropping N2. Also I'm planning on using N2 to filter VE and nothing else. The more time goes by, the more I find it scummy to have someone who is so malleable and who still doesn't seem to have strong stances on the game. Honest to God can't remember what his reads are at all.

Like I get adding qualifiers to your reads or not being 100% sure [although he's shading me for acknowledging my reads may not be based on accurate information, lol]. And I also get being malleable/ sheepy on D1 because nothing's set in stone then. But his attitude is getting harder and harder to believe as the game progresses.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 17:37 GMT
#4266
On May 26 2019 02:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 02:08 Calix wrote:
On May 26 2019 02:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 26 2019 01:47 Calix wrote:
Artanis: Came into game thread, looked into players, posed questions to scum-reads, gets to the point and actually plays the game despite being short of time instead of whining.

iGrok: Talked about how he played, had loads of null reads he did not look into, only has two scum-reads where one of them is his counter-wagon, many posts where he shitposts or does nothing despite complaining about spam, etc.

Town: OMG this game is so hard. How can we POSSIBLY choose between these two?

If you want evidence that this 'choice' literally could not be easier, just look at Page 6 of iGrok's filter. That has pretty much every D2 post he's made so far.


help me lynch Koshi & rayn & VE tomorrow, tell me who you think is best to up first for death.

You're also going to need to help me and HF mend our reads because HF is about to go off on BC and that will lose us the game


Do you not think iGrok is mafia then? And that the team is Koshi/ rayn/ VE?

I'd want rayn dead tomorrow but I am curious as to what 'bomb' you're planning on dropping N2. Also I'm planning on using N2 to filter VE and nothing else. The more time goes by, the more I find it scummy to have someone who is so malleable and who still doesn't seem to have strong stances on the game. Honest to God can't remember what his reads are at all.

Like I get adding qualifiers to your reads or not being 100% sure [although he's shading me for acknowledging my reads may not be based on accurate information, lol]. And I also get being malleable/ sheepy on D1 because nothing's set in stone then. But his attitude is getting harder and harder to believe as the game progresses.


Nah I'm steadily feeling less mafia on iGrok as we pass. I think it is still optimal to lynch the fucker as long as he's afk because sometimes lynching a townie that another townie is tunneled on is the best way to get the tunneler to reevaluate. I put myself in HF's shoes and I think our confidence levels on iGrok have sort of merged on thread sentiment (well really I'm the one constantly saying iGrok is town really, in HF's ear) while HF in private is stamping his feet and insisting iGrok is scum for his own reasons. But hey, this is a team game so w/e.

you better be curious about my bomb but honestly I think it won't be a slam dunk. Unless iGrok flips the exact role I think he's about to flip in which case I'm a breadcrumb god.


For the record, I saw your reads list when I dived into your filter and I 100% agree with your POE. I think everyone else has decent reasons for being town at this point.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 19:02 GMT
#4336
On May 26 2019 04:00 Conversion wrote:
why am I lynching iGrok over Artanis


Because Artanis actually tried solving the game while he was around while iGrok just posted nonsense.

Why do you scum-read Artanis THIS much over iGrok? I really want to understand, Conversion, so work with me here.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 19:07 GMT
#4344
On May 26 2019 04:03 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 04:02 Calix wrote:
On May 26 2019 04:00 Conversion wrote:
why am I lynching iGrok over Artanis


Because Artanis actually tried solving the game while he was around while iGrok just posted nonsense.

Why do you scum-read Artanis THIS much over iGrok? I really want to understand, Conversion, so work with me here.


because Artanis spending like 20 minutes of his 2 hours playing reminiscing about a game and posting old MS Paint pictures, while entertaining, is not trying to solve the game. Also he's brought nothing new to the table.


While it is true that Artanis posted some nostalgic crap, iGrok has done nothing BUT make useless posts whereas Artanis actually made attempts at game-solving re: asking questions and considering other people's points [e.g., with WBG].

iGrok has shit-posted and barely made ANY game-related posts in comparison. Page 6 of iGrok's filter = pretty much everything he's done today.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 19:14 GMT
#4354
On May 26 2019 04:11 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 04:07 Calix wrote:
On May 26 2019 04:03 Conversion wrote:
On May 26 2019 04:02 Calix wrote:
On May 26 2019 04:00 Conversion wrote:
why am I lynching iGrok over Artanis


Because Artanis actually tried solving the game while he was around while iGrok just posted nonsense.

Why do you scum-read Artanis THIS much over iGrok? I really want to understand, Conversion, so work with me here.


because Artanis spending like 20 minutes of his 2 hours playing reminiscing about a game and posting old MS Paint pictures, while entertaining, is not trying to solve the game. Also he's brought nothing new to the table.


While it is true that Artanis posted some nostalgic crap, iGrok has done nothing BUT make useless posts whereas Artanis actually made attempts at game-solving re: asking questions and considering other people's points [e.g., with WBG].

iGrok has shit-posted and barely made ANY game-related posts in comparison. Page 6 of iGrok's filter = pretty much everything he's done today.


idk we can agree to disagree here I think Artanis is giving the illusion of ~~playing the game~~ his entire read progression on me was REALLY icky, it did not feel natural at all. it might boil down to just that edging Artanis > iGrok for me here.


I'm not gonna push you to think Artanis is town because I understand how you can think he isn't.

I'm just trying to get a leading wagon so we avoid a potential 6-6 situation where someone can switch votes at the last minute TBH.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 19:35 GMT
#4374
So we get a second lynch? Sounds wicked.

Doesn't say whether Vigilante shot is refunded if it's roleblocked though. I would hope it was but I can't see anything about it in the OP.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 20:33 GMT
#4463
On May 26 2019 05:32 iGrok wrote:
I found 1 scum, confirmed a few townies


Don't you have two scum-reads?

Instead of posting one-liners, you could be, I dunno, looking into those null reads, my dude.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 20:34 GMT
#4467
On May 26 2019 05:33 iGrok wrote:
Why would I post non-one liners when this is spam meta


lol, touche.

My other point stands though.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 20:38 GMT
#4480
On May 26 2019 05:36 iGrok wrote:
Oh this is funny I’ll respond: I’m not responding to HF because he’s pure mafia so why would I interact with him when it will just give him more points to try to twist logic


Because ignoring all points against you just means they'll hang around against you. Why are you surprised at people wanting to lynch you when you've done nothing at all to refute a giant-arse case against you or show why it makes HF mafia?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 20:43 GMT
#4495
On May 26 2019 05:41 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 05:38 Calix wrote:
On May 26 2019 05:36 iGrok wrote:
Oh this is funny I’ll respond: I’m not responding to HF because he’s pure mafia so why would I interact with him when it will just give him more points to try to twist logic


Because ignoring all points against you just means they'll hang around against you. Why are you surprised at people wanting to lynch you when you've done nothing at all to refute a giant-arse case against you or show why it makes HF mafia?

Because the case is garbage and anyone whose brain hasn’t gone through a sieve can look at the activity that I’ve had, and how open I am about my logic the entire time, and be forced to conclude that I’m either town or mafia with Schizophrenia


Well the thread is absolutely full of bullshit so you shouldn't really assume you haven't stumbled into the Post-Lobotomy Support Group, fam.

Pretend I am three years old and tell me why the case is bullshit. Unless this post is supposed to explain that.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 20:45 GMT
#4502
On May 26 2019 05:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Ugh I want to ask iGrok questions and actually discern his alignment but there's no time for a counter wagon and any chance is better than 0% of lynching mafia.


Actually there is. There are loads of people ITT.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 20:53 GMT
#4524
On May 26 2019 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
these lynches are stupid. igrok possibly mafia but still stupid.


Maybe we should lynch you instead, Mr. I'm Gonna Trash-Talk All The Lynches But Do Nothing To Change Them.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 20:55 GMT
#4529
On May 26 2019 05:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
calix always mafia, igrok only if calix is, conversion maybe but best bet. idk who else, bd or hf might be?


>Calix 100% mafia
>iGrok only mafia if Calix is
>since Calix is confirmed mafia, iGrok is therefore mafia in rayn's eyes
>doesn't vote for iGrok to ensure Artanis doesn't die even though from rayn's POV iGrok is mafia

How do logic?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 21:00 GMT
#4543
Is...is iGrok voting for HF even though it'll probably kill him in the process...?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 21:01 GMT
#4547
On May 26 2019 06:01 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 06:00 Calix wrote:
Is...is iGrok voting for HF even though it'll probably kill him in the process...?


No he didn't unvote.


He did in the vote thread.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 21:06 GMT
#4560
On May 26 2019 06:05 iGrok wrote:
This game is fucking ridiculous


Not gonna lie, I actually think you could be dumb town. Even though logic dictates otherwise -.-

But this thread is so bad that trying to move votes off you will most likely result in an even bigger shitshow.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 21:17 GMT
#4596
@HF @HF @HF @HF

I know you think iGrok is super scummy and all.

And I am inclined to agree with you.

But he DID just vote to kill himself.

Votes are now like [iGrok 6, Artanis 3, Calix 2] IIRC.

That doesn't seem very sensible for mafia to do?

Could we vote off a spammy mafia instead? If this spam continues, all the townies will get frustrated/ drowned out, lol.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 21:21 GMT
#4605
On May 26 2019 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 06:17 Calix wrote:
@HF @HF @HF @HF

I know you think iGrok is super scummy and all.

And I am inclined to agree with you.

But he DID just vote to kill himself.

Votes are now like [iGrok 6, Artanis 3, Calix 2] IIRC.

That doesn't seem very sensible for mafia to do?

Could we vote off a spammy mafia instead? If this spam continues, all the townies will get frustrated/ drowned out, lol.


He had always voted to kill himself. He was always in the lead with no ability to save himself. Don't get tricked like day 1 where he just does the same thing again and it worked on you.

What spammy mafia do you suggest killing anyway?


Well before he voted, it was 6-5. Only needed one vote switch to kill Artanis instead.

Rayn/ VE. I really just want a super-spammy player out. They are playing for mafia at this point EVEN if they are town purely because of how much shit they are spewing.

But I DON'T want people switching votes until we've decided on a target, k?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 25 2019 21:24 GMT
#4614
BC, I know you think I'm mafia and stuff.

But I want to help make the thread cleaner.

You seem very much like you would want this.

Would you consider switching votes to someone spammier?
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