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On May 24 2019 00:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 23:55 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote:
My other question would be:
Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird???
There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again....
HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird. I don't Jock I'm sorry. Like, I get why you do, but I've seen shit like this between townies and between a town and a mafia and between mafia partners so many times. I think you said you think it makes them both mafia, or at least look bad. I would argue that if they would go to the trouble of fabricating this at all, there would be more evidence of them trying to fabricate interactions elsewhere in the thread too. But that's just my read.
Fair enough.
I'm not basing a whole case on this one thing on the pair of em. Its more just a thing I found weird. I already had massive suspicions on hf and my read on artanis is more based on my townreads than anything he said to hf.
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On May 24 2019 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 23:55 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote:
My other question would be:
Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird???
There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again....
HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 23:57 Jockmcplop wrote:Talking about this interaction: On May 22 2019 04:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia." Fuck you why does this make me think you're town  Why do you think it looks scummy? I am sorry if you have explained it already.
The main thing is how they don't talk about each other after this interaction... Its like hf wanted to do something re:artanis and land on a townread so he could move on.
That's how it looks to me anyway.
There are no solid reasons for any of what hf did here or previously regarding his reads on artanis. Its just random made up crap that artanis then points out and hf, in a very UNHFLIKE manner then says "Oh yeah you're right you're town" and doesn't mention it again.
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On May 24 2019 00:03 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 00:02 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 24 2019 00:00 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 23 2019 23:55 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote:
My other question would be:
Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird???
There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again....
HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird. I don't Jock I'm sorry. Like, I get why you do, but I've seen shit like this between townies and between a town and a mafia and between mafia partners so many times. I think you said you think it makes them both mafia, or at least look bad. I would argue that if they would go to the trouble of fabricating this at all, there would be more evidence of them trying to fabricate interactions elsewhere in the thread too. But that's just my read. Fair enough. I'm not basing a whole case on this one thing on the pair of em. Its more just a thing I found weird. I already had massive suspicions on hf and my read on artanis is more based on my townreads than anything he said to hf. And I'm sorry for not mentioning it earlier, I saw you AHA at it when you saw it. IF there's ONLY ONE mafia between them, based SOLELY on that interaction, which would you think it would be?
It would be hf for the reasons in the post above
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Yeah its not a slam dunk.
The point about hf not fakeclaiming, and how he is acting differently, added to this is starting to make something like a decent case though.
All stuff that can be explained but only with a multitude of excuses (reasons) and becomes increasingly alignment indicative the more weird behaviours he exhibits.
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I hate to keep harping on how weirdly hf is playing this game buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.....
I'm struggling to find any meta examples of hf's vote landing off one of the major wagons, like ever. Until day 1 of this game.
This might be tunneling but there's so much weird stuff its hard not to get drawn into it,know what i mean?
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On May 24 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 23:55 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote:
My other question would be:
Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird???
There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again....
HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 23:55 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote:
My other question would be:
Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird???
There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again....
HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird. I can easily answer it for you. I can see how it would be weird for you but I don't think I'd ever interact with a mafia partner like that. I normally just bus or hard defend, none of this meek in between stuff that makes me look bad because of indecision. The thing about this game is that my early play will be so polarising to a work week that it's like a whole different player. This game is like the last thing on my mind (that's a lie really) but I just pop in and see a post and register it as a post I don't like but my critical evaluation brain is switched off and I'll just blurt out my thoughts quickly. I'll go back to work pondering my skim and come back and say what I've been thinking even if it's wrong. This is exactly why I got pushed and lynched last game, for misremembering something and pushing it as fact (just nobody called me out on it till I get lynched). So, I called artanis out for something I believed he did wrong and his call out made me look back at his filter and correct myself.
Saw this after my last post and it addresses that too...
Its a very,very convenient catch all excuse that could be true...
There's really not much more I can say about that to be honest.
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On May 24 2019 01:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 00:56 Jockmcplop wrote:
I hate to keep harping on how weirdly hf is playing this game buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.....
I'm struggling to find any meta examples of hf's vote landing off one of the major wagons, like ever. Until day 1 of this game.
This might be tunneling but there's so much weird stuff its hard not to get drawn into it,know what i mean?
My dude, I was the leading wagon voter I think when I went to bed. It was 5am when the flip and shenanigans happened. It's normally an eu friendly deadline or at least like 12 to 1am max so I stick around. I didn't do a fake claim this game because a) I've effectively ruined the last 2 games doing it and people never learn and even lynched me for it twice and b) it was 5am！ I think you're pretty tunnelled 
WOuld you get tunnelled if someone who had been playing every single game here in a similar fashion all of a sudden started playing completely differently??
I mean you've admitted that that's what's happening so surely you can understand....
Considering we both agree that you're behaving weirdly surely we can both agree that it all comes down to whether I believe your reasons for it, right?
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On May 24 2019 01:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 01:04 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 24 2019 01:02 Holyflare wrote:On May 24 2019 00:56 Jockmcplop wrote:
I hate to keep harping on how weirdly hf is playing this game buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.....
I'm struggling to find any meta examples of hf's vote landing off one of the major wagons, like ever. Until day 1 of this game.
This might be tunneling but there's so much weird stuff its hard not to get drawn into it,know what i mean?
My dude, I was the leading wagon voter I think when I went to bed. It was 5am when the flip and shenanigans happened. It's normally an eu friendly deadline or at least like 12 to 1am max so I stick around. I didn't do a fake claim this game because a) I've effectively ruined the last 2 games doing it and people never learn and even lynched me for it twice and b) it was 5am！ I think you're pretty tunnelled WOuld you get tunnelled if someone who had been playing every single game here in a similar fashion all of a sudden started playing completely differently?? I mean you've admitted that that's what's happening so surely you can understand.... Considering we both agree that you're behaving weirdly surely we can both agree that it all comes down to whether I believe your reasons for it, right? I don't think I'm playing this game any different to the last game at all?
On May 24 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:
The thing about this game is that my early play will be so polarising to a work week that it's like a whole different player. This game is like the last thing on my mind (that's a lie really) but I just pop in and see a post and register it as a post I don't like but my critical evaluation brain is switched off and I'll just blurt out my thoughts quickly.
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If everyone tells me I'm being stupid here I'll shut up about it
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In all honesty though hf I don't feel like your fakeclaiming ruined anything at all. If anything it made the night phase interesting
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On May 24 2019 01:11 Holyflare wrote:
No, they're good points to pick up on but unfortunately don't mean anything. It would probably be quite beneficial if you read some of my games where I'm mafia maybe? Although that will also be a time when I had more free time you can get a sense of my style. I normally imo just pick up on a point and hammer at it until I get a mislynch whereas town I kinda do that but actually have an ongoing poe with really shit feels and reasoning entwined in it. I also get swayed off things really easily.
Unlike this igrok guy who yet again posted an afk excuse.
I don't wanna have to wait for you to seem like a townie.
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On May 24 2019 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
If my name wasn't Holyflare would you be saying the same thing? Or is it just a preconceived notion because you know what I'm capable of?
What?
You played 3 games with me very recently where I watched what you were doing carefully because the first game I ever read rsoultin said something about you being good.
This sounds like gaslighting now.
Are you sure its not just you being crazy?
YES
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Like I'm trying to find reads you've made on people that aren't 100% waffle and there's a few but not many.
The main reason I started looking into this is because this is as far as I got with my spreadsheet yesterday:
![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/frX3hDW/mafia.jpg)
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On May 24 2019 01:22 Holyflare wrote:
Dunno why you feel that way but irrelevant anyway. I'll just make some cases in a bit.
THat was badly worded and had nothing to do with mental health I was actually not thinking of that
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Just to be clear I won't use that in game (in character??) because that would suck this was more a general accusation that you're lying and trying to make me think I'm not seeing what I'm seeing
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On May 24 2019 01:22 disformation wrote:
i am very proud of myself.
was expecting my column to only consist of waffles
Its done in rows. Yours isn't filled out cos I only got as far as HF before I stopped to take a closer look.
On May 24 2019 01:22 Holyflare wrote:
I voted igrok?
Yeah I dunno what happened there but the reads are all good from as far as I got.
If anyone disputes anything else there they should tell me.
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On May 24 2019 01:34 Holyflare wrote:If you want a good read: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=263#5255Good example of me as mafia (and bugs actually before he replaced. Reminds me of his range now so I'll look at him this game because he's really good too). More importantly the fallout post game and mafia qt is just the best.
Man you are unprovokable today.
hf rising above being repeatedly called a liar and a waffler and all you can come back with is some half arsed thing about being disappointed.
Where's the pages of text explaining why you've got a masterplan? Why do you think we're all just going to sit around and wait for you to start playing and then let you take over the town half way through day 2 because you decide you want to??
I'm gonna be too busy by then figuring out the game to fight you over whether or not to vote for iGrock.
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On May 24 2019 02:02 Holyflare wrote:
How do you know this isn't my master plan?
![[image loading]](https://www.projectmanager.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/AccidentalPMGuidetoBetterProjects-600x882.jpg)
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I'll be back tomorrow unless I turn up tonight drunk I'm going to see some 'music'
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