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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:29 GMT
#1971
Man I’m getting nervous

But maybe it’s a good nervous
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:30 GMT
#1972
DISFO HAMMER RUXXAR FOR VICTORY
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:30 GMT
#1975
Also if ruxxar flips town I’m killing anyone who townread him
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:31 GMT
#1976
On May 22 2019 08:30 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 08:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 22 2019 08:25 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote:
I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.

If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.

Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing.
Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either...


Okay come on. You now want to kill ruxxar after WBG the guy who really wants ruxxar dead comes in?

Sorry WBG but I can't. I cannot believe this guy is town when his reads just always align with whatever is easy.


No, he did mention he was reading ruxxar earlier when he entered a long time ago. Sounds like the simpler solution is to read his post at face value, because he mentioned to me earlier in the game he wasn’t convinced on ruxxar


I checked his filter and between his last 're-entry' and him making a post on ruxxar, I don't see any indications that he was looking at ruxxar specifically.

I mean, I...guess it's possible he's referring to that one ruxxar post eons ago?

But eh.


Not what I meant. I meant first reentry, he did mention to me specifically he’d read on ruxxar and then posted some cryptic thing with names and numbers next to them. Me and HF had a 2 IIRC

Igrok can you explain that
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:36 GMT
#1983
Nah I don’t actually think he’ll flip town, just covering my ass LOL

Like I’m not afraid of looking dumb but really I’ve seen weirder things happen. Everything points to ruxxar being caught scum here

Also in the end half of me is okay with killing iGrok of people don’t want to switch because if I’m truly correct, my vindication will come eventually
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:37 GMT
#1985
We’re not voting BC here, the waffle potential is strong but there are too many reasons to townread him. Ignoring piles of evidence at deadline is not a winning strategy

Although I might be the only person who townreads iGrok here so w/e
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:37 GMT
#1986
VE just kill ruxxar
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:38 GMT
#1988
Like you’ve gotta be shitting me if you’re telling me you don’t feel nervous here
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:41 GMT
#1992
Shenanigans on ruxxar let’s GO

We’re the only town that matters, we’re actually here giving half a crap about the game!
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:42 GMT
#1994
On May 22 2019 08:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh I'm nervous. But I've also got you in here screaming about wanting to lynch me no matter what happens so what the fuck does changing votes do for anything? I have had a townread on Ruxxar all game and you're asking me to change my vote AGAIN now that we've actually decided on someone YOU JUST SAID YOU'RE RELATIVELY OKAY WITH DYING....like I just don't know what you need man, you're tilted and there's nothing WE can do to bring you back. After this phase just leave and come back D2 (or not HEHEHE) refreshed and NOT titled to shit.


I mean if I don’t come back there’s a chance ruxxar never dies right

That’s what’s motivating me here
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:44 GMT
#1998
YES KILL RUXXAR
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:46 GMT
#2001
LOL I’M SO EXCITED

It’s actually happening

Ok I’m gonna get on a train and go to a meeting, be back around 1 hour before deadline
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 22 2019 01:35 GMT
#2025
On May 22 2019 10:25 iGrok wrote:
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On May 22 2019 10:21 iGrok wrote:
Seriously, I think the logic there is pretty straightforward, but to reiterate:

Calix and Ruxx are not both mafia, because mafia would not bus a teammate when the votes are close like this.

Ruxx and HF aren't both mafia because Ruxxar called HF on some shit that most other people didn't, it was a weird attack when HF was not seeing any real pressure.

Calix and HF aren't both mafia because HF looked like he was trying to set up a wagon on Calix earlier.

so what this means is:

If you think that any one of HF, Calix, or Ruxx are mafia, it has to be HF


@Calix if you can find a flaw in this please let me know.


This is so stupid

Like anyone can come and pick 3 names at random and assert one of them has to be scum and then twist the logic to say one specific person out of those 3 has to be scum based on the associations solely between those 3. This is why we don’t do associations preflip.

You have no evidence for why it’s towny to attack a random person with no progression nor follow up on that read whatsoever. In fact, the moment you find a single scum who would do that, it negates this argument entirely.

Also, this association business throws away mountains of evidence that both Calix and HF ON INDEPENDENT TERMS are town. Who the fuck cares if ruxxar threw one post on HF and then walked away, never pushing it, never following up, never responding to any questions?? If he’s scum he could have literally picked any name in the entire list of active players and written about the same thing.

If you don’t believe me, look at how VE has been saying I’m making up narratives. I’m clearly not, I know I’m town. VE saying this says nothing about his alignment and neither should what ruxxar said about HF say anything about his.

What matters is what ruxxar did before and after, and what his motivation was. There is no town motivation for throwing out that read, fucking off without pushing it, wasting the vote, and staying out of the thread DURING EU HOURS when the game was the most active.

Literally, he complained about the game being too active, and you want to kill HF who is one of the few players who has been around and actually done things in this game. Come the fuck on
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 22 2019 01:41 GMT
#2029
By the way, I can say with utmost confidence that I as scum would pull a vote like that. I’ve done it before too, I’ll pick a random town leader and vote them fully knowing there is no chance that person ever dies, and no one else would be willing to push that person. And I sandbag it because I know I’m scum and I’m not going to bother actively getting that person lynched unless people jubjub and bandwagon it, in which case I’m in the clear anyway because I’m the first person on the wagon and clearly not a dumb sheep. I’ll still be around and pull threads but it’s only if people call me out that I’d actually push reads as scum.

You know why that is? Because it’s super fucking easy to come in and shit on people for being wrong when you’re scum and you can do whatever you want.

ruxxar is a pretty good scum player as well, btw. He is extremely slippery and at least in the games I’ve checked he’s never been lynched. His posting cadence also matches with his scum game-as town he posts large bursts of one liners and constantly follows up on things and tries to figure things out. As scum he fucks off for hours on end and occasionally will post large walls of text or push a random nitpick with no follow up later.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 22 2019 01:43 GMT
#2030
On May 22 2019 10:41 iGrok wrote:
Lol, Calix and HF on "INDEPENDENT TERMS" are red.

The weakest of those assertions is the Calix/HF one, because HF switched off calix fairly quickly. Why you're attacking the ruxx/hf assertion doesn't make sense. In your words, "Come the fuck on".

Ruxxar's filter is filled with brief periods of activity which go like this: "I'm back, here's a quick summary, some filler posts, bye". H's acting like a dude who doesn't have a whole lot of time to put into writing up stuff, but he is clearly reading based on his quotes in his posts. Not everyone spams like You, HF, Koshi, or VE.


Look if you want to put effort into reading ruxxar then go see some of his past games and come up with an example where he actually does this as town.

Like I fucking guarantee that you will never find an example of a town game where he dumps three or four massive posts with literally 0 follow up.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 22 2019 02:35 GMT
#2039
On May 22 2019 11:24 Conversion wrote:
d'oh.

I just meta-dived ruxxar and he plays really fluid, jokes around a lot as town.

his mafia games are like 4+ years old, though, and not sure if they should really count as much here (couldn't find any more recent games)

but you're right in the fact that nothing about his game here resembles the town games I read meta wise.

in terms of reads, my brain is fried (as evidenced by fucking up a simple logic table up ^^^ there), and I think I'm inclined to believe bugs.. I think disfo is in a pretty non-safe spot going on this ruxxar lynch here as well, so ruxxar flipping mafia doesn't give him too much cred. I don't really buy any of Koshi's reads, and him dodging me and not calling me scum is pretty fuckin' weird cause I'm not really playing any differently than I have in the games we've played together. m

If ruxxar flips mafia though Koshi is never, ever, 100% never ever mafia.

and now I'm sleepy and lost 90 minutes of s tudying for an interview so I'm peacing out. gl hf, see y'all after like 4 PM est for a bit before I fly out


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I didn't read too much into his scum games either other than the timings of his posts because I don't think the content would be indicative if he's a good scum player, which I think on a results basis, he is.

It's really hard to nail someone who never gets lynched as scum because their play will basically be guaranteed to have lots of town tells in it, and meta reading them by reading their scum games is a crapshoot. On the other hand, if you can find something that they do that they literally never do as town, and it's on core behaviour that's integral to scum hunting (aka followups, conversational play) I think that's good enough.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 22 2019 02:41 GMT
#2040
alright, I'm getting lunch so I don't have a heart attack on the flip. Leaving my phone at my desk as well to avoid the temptation.

ruxxar is the best lynch we've got. Look in my filter if you feel doubts, or look at his town game and compare here. If anyone who doesn't want to vote him can find an example from his town games where he posts some massive read posts, unprompted, with no followup, and then fucks off for hours and hours on end, I will forgive you for not voting him, even if he goes unflipped (i.e. you all decide to kill someone else in the next 20 minutes while I'm gone on the shennaniest of last minute shenannies)
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 22 2019 03:26 GMT
#2042
nope k I'm still wrong

fuck
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 22 2019 03:27 GMT
#2043
iGrok you scum???
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 22 2019 03:32 GMT
#2045
as usual I don't think I have any idea what's going on this game so I'm going to step back for a long while. I can't make heads nor tails of the giant mess that happened around when HF swapped to Jock for his contradiction and that's actually made me question literally all of my townreads because people I thought would look worse look better and people I'd thought look better in some cases look worse.

I felt pretty good about HF and BC but now I'm just confused. someone help.
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