EPTOn May 24 2019 21:56 Koshi wrote:
I dont believe mafia is bussing iGrok like this.
I dont believe mafia is bussing iGrok like this.
But do you think his posts are townie???
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On May 24 2019 21:57 VisceraEyes wrote: She's saying you don't believe the shit you're saying. That you couldn't remember if he was on your list a bit ago and now you're saying he's obvTown, knowing iGrok has said literally nothing between. I did not actually know that because I, as someone who does not have perfect memory, can't remember exactly when people posted what. | ||
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On May 24 2019 22:55 Holyflare wrote: I don't like how essentially silent Calix has been this entire day cycle only coming in to argue with rayn over and over again. Sure, she scum reads igrok but what else is really known? Calix, provide a list of reads and a sentence on each please. That characterisation of my D2 play only applies to this RL day and is not true. I spent yesterday arguing with BC and VE until I changed my mind on them being mafia. I'm not sure why you expect everyone to be SUPER ACTIVE and CONTRIBUTING when there's not a lot to be said. Ever since I dropped two scum-reads, I've seen very little from the thread that would be useful to finding mafia. Also everyone thinks I'm mafia by POE or something. Yet nobody has bothered to case me so there's nothing for me to counter, lol. Someone go into my filter and say why I'm supposedly mafia, will ya? READS TOWN: Conversion, disformation, Jock, WBG, HF. I've already explained these reads, pretty sure, and none of these town reads are RADICAL anyway. For people who don't know why I town-read HF, consider that we've had similar opinions for PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE GAME. If he's mafia then I am playing so horribly right now but I doubt it. NULL: Artanis: As per my previous posts, I think he made some decent posts early on but his WBG push was bad and he hasn't done much else of note. Could be mafia tapering off or town struggling. BC: I mostly think he could be town because of The Meta. As per my previous posts, I think I scum-read him more for NAI playstyle differences than actual mafia motivations. MAFIA: Koshi: I can see more reasons for my null reads being town than I can for Koshi being town, ergo he's likely scum again by POE. I even read the last few pages of his cancerous filter and saw nothing town. Also I cannot relate to the opinions he claims to have whatsoever. Meanwhile I can kinda see where most other players are coming from. iGrok: I agreed with HF's earlier points on him and his one substantial post today was horrible. rayn: Has not done anything all game, has said nothing smart, doesn't seem interested in solving the game, etc etc. Really have no idea why anyone town-reads him. | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:19 Jockmcplop wrote: Calix make me believe that Koshi is mafia. Please Lemme put it this way. He lacks any real conviction in his reads. For example, he 'town read' ruxxar and 'scum read' BC and I on Day 1. What does he do? Well he sure as hell doesn't push either of his scum reads. He just spammed 'Calix is mafia' and whined that nobody was listening to him. He didn't give valid, convincing reasons for town!ruxxar. He had the opportunity to switch his vote from moi onto BC [again, a guy he thinks has a high chance of being mafia] when BC was getting traction but Koshi did NOT switch. You will see the same pattern today. Today, he's said "lynch Calix" but not once has he made a legitimate push on me that would convince people to kill me. The same applies to his 'other scum read' HF. Nor has he made a convincing argument for town!iGrok aside from "omg no way would mafia hard-bus" He just kinda whines about how his 'town reads' are being voted over his scum reads yet does literally nothing to change the game state from that to something more favourable for town [in his eyes]. And the reason for that is because he doesn't actually care about killing mafia. | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:28 Holyflare wrote: I want your opinion on who they shot if you think mafia is rayn/igrok/koshi. Please give it. Dunno. Probably Jock because literally nobody thinks he's mafia and as of N1, I don't think anyone else was universally town-read? | ||
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Someone correct me if I am wrong here. | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:32 wherebugsgo wrote: Calix the one thing I find interesting though is that your points on koshi/rayn equally apply to VE, if not more-so than they apply to Koshi, but you townread VE. Why do you townread VE? I did scum-read VE at one point but when I was catching up yesterday, I noticed VE was making smart comments that showed he was actually thinking about the game. And this was at a point where rayn was making dumb comments re: Conversion so it stood out even more. I'm not saying the 'smart comments' are townie in isolation. If I showed them to you, you would not understand why I think they're smart without context. But I do think that the 'not blindly going with whatever's in the thread' thing is a townie trait. | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:37 iGrok wrote: Catching up in the morning, just want to clarify that I do VERY MUCH think HF is mafia, and its weird to me that people think I don't. What I'm saying is that the way you worded your response post did not sound like a townie responding to a mafia read. But I'm not interested in discussing this so don't respond. I'd rather have reads and thoughts that are not prodded. | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:39 wherebugsgo wrote: Did you find any 'smart comments' that were made in the favour of someone looking scummier rather than townier? VE is an excellent scum player. If you solely find things you think are smart on the side of him defending a townread or making someone else less certain of a read, they're not alignment indicative. If you can find even a single instance of VE taking a hard stance for reasons he came up with himself this game I'll switch my reads to yours. That's a good question. I do not recall any of the comments [that I referred to as 'smart'] talking about someone being scummier. If that is the case then I should filter-dive VE at some point. Although I cannot say I'm looking forward to touching such a huge filter xD | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:45 iGrok wrote: This is like.... The one thing Koshi has done. Consistently called you and HF scum. BINGO. You just said it. He 'consistently called' us mafia. But that's not REAL CONVICTION. And before you come at me with 'no true scotsman' or whatever the fallacy's called, lemme explain. Yelling "THESE TWO PEOPLE ARE MAFIA" is not conviction. It LOOKS like it because he's taking a 'hard stance' on two players. But it's still superficial. How many times has he pushed us? Zero. How many times has he made smart, intelligent comments on why we are scum? Zero. How many times has he tried working with people to get us lynched? Zero. All of that would require EFFORT and collaboration and...even considering that his reads could be wrong as he gets new information about his scum reads and the game! But he's not doing ANY of that. He's just blindly calling us mafia and isn't open to reconsidering his reads. That's the easiest thing ever for mafia to do. | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:49 Holyflare wrote: Not true, he flip flops over it repeatedly. You can just ctrl + f each of our names in his filter and like clockwork it's hf could be town, nah mafia, oh wait town, nah ok mafia and the same with calix. At some point he even said you and her could both be town. Wait what? Man, must've missed all that. Well then, amend my last post. The fact he can change his 'hard' scum reads so quickly is another sign that he doesn't really give a shit. Just look at pretty much every other player and how they change their strong town/ scum reads. It doesn't happen overnight, lol. | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote: You know, I'm rather miffed that at least 3 (by my recollection) people have not bothered to read VE because of the sheer size of his filter alone, but are happily town-reading him. Change your reads to null if you aren't looking at what he's saying, because that's a more honest read. I take advantage of this as scum myself when I post a ton of things that basically just do nothing but make people less confident of their reads and rather than challenge them on logical grounds I challenge them on emotional ones. VE, by definition of being a good player, is no stranger to this tactic. For folks who are being actively challenged or only notice at a surface level that the challenges are being made, the pattern of anti-town motivation is not obvious because they aren't looking for it. At least, that's my take. Okay. Well I recall Conversion, someone who is not very familiar with VE's play, thinking that VE's town and scum play is similar. But you seem to know him better. What DOES he do as mafia then? | ||
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Actually that post WAS bad. Looked like you were trying to talk Jock into scum-reading me but without saying that's what you were doing. That post also implied you think I'm mafia with iGrok yet you never brought up that point against me while I was calling you scum or asked for clarification or anything. | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:59 Koshi wrote: I am so scared that one out of these 3 wont be lynched after scum Camix and wbg work together during night. Sooooo scared. You're so scared that you're...not gonna do anything about it. | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:00 VisceraEyes wrote: omg, like I was LITERALLY explaining how VCA works. But whatever. I like how Calix is here and active all of a sudden when Bugs is in here scumreading me that's really fucking convenient. I was active before you even popped in the thread. Bad attempt at throwing shade. | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Whatever maybe he's just blind. ##unvote ##Vote: iGrok Uh, don't you think WBG and I are MAFIA? Why are you voting with two mafia reads? | ||
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You just asked for my reads and even specifically wanted my VE read when I forgot it. But then you don't do anything with the info, lol? | ||
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