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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 13:04 GMT
#1374
On May 21 2019 22:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 22:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:56 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:49 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Only joking.

Why isn't everyone else also voting for rayn.

Top notch high quality lynch right there. Obviously has zero town motivation for any single one of his posts.


You're the bugs of the rayn lynch trying to ram it down our throats and I don't think I like this version.+ Show Spoiler [stuff that I'm thinking in my he…] +
I think you might have a good chance at being mafia in fact because of this. You seem to put weight into people being mafia way too much on little nuances that shouldn't carry that much weight and you have seemingly inconsistent thought processes on say lynching someone to get a view of someone else.


I find it weird how you ask everyone for help on reading calix but feel this passionate about rayn.


do you remember Jock's response to me last game about what he thought scumhunting meant? Probably not...here's a refresher:

On May 01 2019 01:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 01 2019 01:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 01 2019 01:27 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 01 2019 01:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Suddenly even happier with my decision.


Yeah vote me first. Why not? I already have a low enough of opinion of tl.net.

First game - mafia - failed to spot it
Second game - town - dead first night
Third game... you get the picture.

I guess I'm a wildcard since I have no meta for you guys to rely on. If you just vote for me you're justified cos I'm new and it saves having to look for scum.

I'm not mafia by the way.


not helping yourself much here mate. Before I go down that path of lowering expectations/opinions about things, why don't you talk to me about who you actually think we should kill instead of you?

If we can't get that far, brushing aside the newness factor, do you understand BC's stated reason for voting you?

What's your strategy for finding scum?


Yeah he wants to get people talking. I can't think of anything to say in particular though.

My strategy for finding scum at the moment is to see who's acting suspiciously, but there isn't much here to go on to be honest.


On May 01 2019 11:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 01 2019 10:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 01 2019 10:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 01 2019 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
Oh well nothing more to add really. I think jock is way out of character and the town read(s) are pretty unjustified here.


Out of character compared to when I was mafia?


You gonna ignore my previous post?

You should answer this, and don't even think about skipping any of the questions:

Can you define what makes people suspicious? What types of things are suspicious and why would they be indicators someone is mafia instead of town?

Have you read Incognito's guide? What do you think your #1 priority should be if you are a townie?


Regardless of your alignment, at your current rate, you should know you're going to be dead.

In addition to that, let's see your reads.


I have read incognito's guide. At the moment I'm looking for typical mafia stuff, apologetic posting, if anyone has an agenda or is making alot of posts without contributing, inconsistent weird logic. That stuff is suspicious.

#1 priority as town for me is finding scum.

don't even think about skipping any of the questions:


LOL


On May 01 2019 12:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
BC seems town
He's wrong about me but he's genuinely hunting I think.

FF could be scum. Just turned up to claim town and hasn't said anything at all.

VE is the most blatant town to me so far. His posts are sensible and he's actually contributing.

MZ reads town

Can't read HF

Bugs is interesting. Lots of questions no answers. Probably the most scummy out of everyone, just from the number of questions he's asked people that are irrelevant or pointless.


I don't really have any strong scum reads at the moment.


Seems to me like this isn't really a good indicator for Jock, but could just be me.


I don't find this consistent tbh maybe. He seems to be valuing other people's reads (eg Koshi) to use as an excuse to be unsure of someone he has voted with at every instance.

He just feels a bit off to me.


on the bright side if we kill Jock and he flips town we could just kill rayn immediately afterward right?

I'd actually love to see what would happen in that case


Don't you think that maybe... JUST MAYBE


That's why rayn decide to pick on me?


wait what?

Why would rayn pick on you so that we'd kill him after killing you

that makes no sense whatsoever


No but he would pick on me because I'm obviously town and not gonna get lynched so you'll never find out.


ah, okay, guess that makes more sense.

idk you do seem like a very easy target for scum rayn to pick on and I think he'd either be able to put himself in a situation like this one where he basically guarantees you don't die so he can talk about you constantly or roll with a situation where we somehow do end up sheeping him and killing you but in that case everyone looks bad.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 13:07 GMT
#1375
cool stories. I'm gonna go sleep and come back when there are another 10-15 pages or whatever to read and place my vote. At least from the past few pages I don't feel so bad about this game anymore.

VE I challenge you to engineer a vote that makes sense in this situation.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 13:11 GMT
#1379
bump, no change

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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 22:55 GMT
#1936
Mobile posting so sorry formatting sucks

My god what happened

Things somehow got like 5x worse??

I agree with the takes that this game sucks and there is some missing piece here. I just reread all the back and Firth’s and came to the conclusion that mafia are probably not present at all, or if they are, they end up being semi-participatory because no one has any clue who will be suspected next. I waffled on Artanis quite a bit and found BC’s OMGUS strange even.

With the jock business, I agree with Calix basically 99% that it was an inconsistency but not worth lynching Jock over given the amount of evidence we have for Jock. I actually find rayn’s push an absolutely terrible way to play and I wanted to quit and quit on behalf of Jock because the logic is just so bad. However it fits to a tee with what rayn did last game to me-he just picked one random thing which was me not explaining some read (which I did, like 5000 fucking times) and then harping on that to eternity, forcing me to just ignore him otherwise the thread would blow up. The only issue is that rayn has disappeared since then and seems mostly non-participatory in finding other scum-he just found some weird reasons to continue townreading ruxxar. idk though, he’s probably townier than scum just on the jock basis alone.

Here are the characters that stood out:

VE “looks” better but he doesn’t seem to be contributing much in terms of original opinions, just looking to see where people will jump. I fully expect town VE to actually take some concrete stances and try to clear up some of the problems and I’m not seeing enough of that here

ruxxar is completely absent and rayn defending him on jubjub grounds. This is the perfect scenario for mafia-having said some things that could easily be identified with perfect info (like if BC-Artanis is TvT and BC reacts really strongly it’s one of the easiest things ever to highlight the “weirdness” of BC’s reaction and then fuck off and never follow up on it which is exactly what ruxxar did. Rayn highlighting this as evidence that ruxxar is town like two IRL days after it happened is just moronic when ruxxar has just completely fucked off)

Conversion is also mostly completely absent and despite looking fairly good for the meta he brought up on both disfo and Koshi he is a complete non-factor here. However on past evidence I find him less likely scum so let’s give him a pass.

iGrok I waffle on between looking worse and better, he is around and fighting but a lot of what he is saying doesn’t make sense. The evidence in favour of iGrok that’s getting ignored I think is that he clearly has notes on the game and is struggling to keep up. He had posts he could cite that he wanted a second look at, and did actually follow up to some degree. That’s not typical lazy-scum behaviour, I think. Given that we can take for granted he’s struggling with the thread the not making sense part might not be alignment indicative.

So who I’d be willing to kill, scummiest to least scummy:

ruxxar, still, because everyone has just fucking ignored him and he’s sitting pretty. He never answered HF’s questions and actually even came back to comment on Jock SO HE’S CLEARLY READING THE THREAD

VE, because he somehow managed to be present and still completely useless. I actually do think a lot of his posting is being done to be deliberately misleading and he could be the active scum here

Of the rest of the players I’m still unsure because rayn is moving around in my list, Koshi is impossible to read, Artanis and BC will probably tunnel each other, and more time will hopefully sort out disfo/conversion further.

BTW Jock let’s hydra next game

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:00 GMT
#1938
Ruxxar is 100% caught scum who has fucked off into the nethers

I actually don’t care at this point how many people disagree with me for stupid reasons, it’s undeniable given that he’s an EU player and he just skipped the most active hours for the game with all the other EU players. As a townie here he’d have no excuse to be actively lurking because I’m the only person who fucking scumreads him. Why would he be afraid to be present in the thread and respond to people?? Despite saying he’d be around for responses??????
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:04 GMT
#1940
y’all are looking for missing puzzle pieces, ruxxar is it. HF you were even supremely confident he’d respond to you, where is your follow up now that you know he’s actively lurking?

Are you waiting for him to last minute dump something in the thread before deadline?

Like I guarantee you he’s working on some garbage filler post that will take up some space and nothing else
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:05 GMT
#1941
On May 22 2019 08:03 disformation wrote:
random shennies on koshie so i dont have to look at his filter again?
the last time i tried that i had a laughing fit?

bugs what do you think about the case on bc? we found a fairly decent point by ruxxar on bc.
though i have to agree that ruxxars activity is super garbo and he was def around to comment on jock earlier


No fuck you that “point” on BC was never pushed and it is the easiest thing ever to fake as mafia. It’s a “bad reaction” post, like if he is scum and he knows BC is town that is literally one of the easiest comments he can make and there is no reason anybody except rayn should townread him for that, especially given that he is ACTIVELY LURKING AND NOT FOLLOWING UP ON ANYTHING
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:08 GMT
#1944
On May 22 2019 08:06 disformation wrote:
also not 100% sure if ruxxar qualifies for caught scum when you are the only one voting him?


I want to pull my hair out

He fucking posted a huge nonsense post on HF the moment he knew I had traction on him, destroying all of the hard work I did. YOU ARE ONE OF THE PLAYERS WHO STOPPED VOTING HIM

I’ve done my part. You all are just fucking hopeless at this point
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:13 GMT
#1947
Sorry I am actually super frustrated atm and I do 100% believe we are giving ruxxar a pass for honestly really terrible reasons.

Like no one besides rayn has been able to cite anything useful and ruxxar is probably the player who has been defended the most for the worst reasons. He’s not even around to defend himself like iGrok is and he gets defended hard

Hell we almost killed Jock over an inconsistency which is completely understandable if you’re a new player and forced by multiple people to come up with a reason on a vote early game. But everyone is willing to vote the least useful player in this entire game??

Like without a doubt ruxxar has had 0 impact on this game, even less than Koshi. Yet he gets the most defenders.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:14 GMT
#1949
*not willing to vote the least useful player
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:14 GMT
#1950
Vote ruxxar for victory

I’d be happy to kill VE as well, but feel way more confident on ruxxar
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:15 GMT
#1951
Like VE is the one player I’d expect to come here and buddy me on ruxxar but he just ignores me when I talk about it. That’s strange af
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:20 GMT
#1956
drop your vote on ruxxar! You have to believe in this one

It is the missing piece we are after. There is a chance he comes back and posts on this but he never followed up on anything, but is actively lurking. There is no better lynch
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:21 GMT
#1958
Like I am not moving my vote. I was a 3rd party to that clusterfcuk because I was asleep, I see what happened with a lot of clarity.

Look at the participants, and look at their time zones. ruxxar was here the whole time and he had 0 input. He had the jock input and that’s it. 100% scum, just sat back while a bunch of townies argued and whines about the game being too hard
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:22 GMT
#1960
Also VE is scum for making up things on ruxxar while rayn is probably townier for being the only person whose mindset matches with the reason they cited for townreading ruxxar. But as I mentioned that townread is not logical and not alignment indicative because mafia make those plays 100% all the time
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:24 GMT
#1962
On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote:
I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.

If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.

Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing.
Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either...


stfu and vote ruxxar, I am helping you here. I’m putting my credibility on the line because I believe you’re not a worthy lynch today. If you want to waffle on this and not use your brain I’m 100% fine with giving up on moving this lynch and instead parking my vote on you because of uselessness and killing you

So I’m giving you a choice, don’t make me regret it
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:25 GMT
#1963
Ruxxar posted about jock (ruxxar’s last post in the thread) despite being completely absent for all surrounding discussion, despite being an EU player who has no excuse for not being around.

Aka active lurker 101

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:25 GMT
#1966
and to top it all off earlier in the game he said he’d respond to questions (granted, maybe only that one time) and he never did. So clearly fine with pretending to be a participant
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:26 GMT
#1967
On May 22 2019 08:25 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote:
I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.

If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.

Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing.
Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either...


Okay come on. You now want to kill ruxxar after WBG the guy who really wants ruxxar dead comes in?

Sorry WBG but I can't. I cannot believe this guy is town when his reads just always align with whatever is easy.


No, he did mention he was reading ruxxar earlier when he entered a long time ago. Sounds like the simpler solution is to read his post at face value, because he mentioned to me earlier in the game he wasn’t convinced on ruxxar
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:28 GMT
#1969
On May 22 2019 08:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean we're secure in a lynch now, like you wanted. But like...I could maybe lynch ruxx. You're right, the resistance was real.


Let’s kill him then
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