• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:45
CEST 05:45
KST 12:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash8[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy13ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research7Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool49Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
Behind the scenes footage of ASL21 Group E BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Build Order Practice Maps Pros React To: SoulKey vs Ample
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group F Azhi's Colosseum - Foreign KCM [ASL21] Ro24 Group E [ASL21] Ro24 Group D
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8134 users

[M][N][72/24]Midnight Sun Mafia - Page 10

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 35 Next All
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:19 GMT
#2060
On May 22 2019 05:17 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 05:02 iGrok wrote:
@HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon.

Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch.

Don't be dumb, guys.


So I am mafia because I called the following people mafia when sentiment was building up on them:

Rayn WHO I CREATED THE SENTIMENT AGAINST AND EVERYONE SHEEPED ME LOL.

Off to a great start.

VE I didn't call mafia for going aggro on you. I simply said his case on you had no merit and went on about my day.

You. lol. I called you mafia against sentiment (because everyone defended you AND nobody other than ve voting for you). I don't care if we're on the same target, you voted rayn for a fake case and not for the actual good reasons even though those good reasons already existed.

I never EVER EVER EVER called calix mafia for her bad opening post. Ever.

Ruxxar because he opportunistically went against me, as explained. Didn't fit with a thought process at all.

Jock was a logical inconsistency, as soon as he posted about mental health i backed the fuck away because he obviously became townie. Should I have ignored this inconsistency that he himself even agreed with?

Rest is garbo.

You're definitely mafia. Half of this existed early game when you had absolutely no problem with me even.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:22 GMT
#2061
On May 22 2019 06:31 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 05:32 Holyflare wrote:
Can anyone seriously piece together "hf only votes and calls people mafia with sentiment" with me attacking rayn or calling igrok mafia for voting rayn? Or pointing out inconsistencies with jock like he says?

the rayn thing is super ultra obviously not true.
being the 2nd one on grok also doesnt look like sentiment. like nothing even happened after that.
you pointing out the inconsistencies of jock might have timingwise correlated or caused sentiment to form against jock (too lazy to double check rn), but everyone fucked off for obvious reasons anyways.

otherwise you only like briefly voted calix and now are back on grok. i also dont mind your interaction with calix for what it is worth.
so looking at voting alone i have to agree that this seems super untrue.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:22 GMT
#2062
On May 22 2019 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote:
Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.

##unvote calix while processing


Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote:
iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.

Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa


How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario.

Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town.

But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this?
How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:23 GMT
#2063
On May 22 2019 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 07:05 iGrok wrote:
@HF I never voted for rayn. fake voted him in thread only, when he was making his silly fake role pm play


What am I supposed to say to this? You literally just used you calling rayn mafia and me scum reading you for it as a reason to scum read me:

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 05:02 iGrok wrote:
@HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon.

Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch.

Don't be dumb, guys.


So was this a lie used to shovel more shit towards me or did you not even believe your points yourself?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:23 GMT
#2064
On May 22 2019 07:11 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 07:09 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote:
Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.

##unvote calix while processing


On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote:
iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.

Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa


How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario.

Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town.

But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this?
How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario?

If you are going for an easy lynch on anyone you can, you are mafia.

If you are mafia, and you try to push an easy lynch on calix, calix is not mafia.

If you legit thought calix was mafia, so you tried to lynch him, you are town.

Are you with me?


Calix is your scum read, arguably the most you've talked about. Why would I be a DUMB TOWN to vote on the person you think is mafia?

You are voting calix now. I am not and really don't think we should be.

Why are our alignments opposite? Surely I did a weak push and now we're both mafia??? This reads as extremely fake, I'm not even pushing calix and I don't really think I've pushed calix strongly all game so this indecision about our alignments reads really forced.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:23 GMT
#2066
On May 22 2019 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 02:09 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck i really want to call iGrok town for that post hahahah ;D
So good.

Which?

Also right now top scum read is HF and calix, followed by arty. least confident is BC/bugs,

Key points on Calix:
Calix
HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good
-Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum
stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons
Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy
Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad
BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more?
Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also
pushes rayn
-#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr



I'm not sure how any of these points lead to a calix scum read by the way. Entry post is basic - mafia, that's the extent of why she's scummy essentially?

Otherwise it's ve/rayn conspiracy that changes to not really anymore - not scummy

bc point doesn't mean anything?

ruxxar point shows calix changing a read because someone shares a townie mindset with her - not scummy?

agrees with all the rayn points and if he didn't have meta with rayn it would be good??????

conclusion is that this is the most mafia person in the game lol??????


Worst points.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:24 GMT
#2067
On May 22 2019 15:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
Sorry for breaking the rules I didn't even think at the time.

I can continue to play but its up to you guys really. I don't want people to think they should lynch me and not bother because of what I said, that would suck hard and be unfair

The other option is I stop posting altogether for this game, which I'm absolutely fine with.


Please play. Fun to have you around. Have you read since you left?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:27 GMT
#2069
That's fine. Please read igrok and then my points about him.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:30 GMT
#2072
Good luck!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 06:37 GMT
#2074
On May 22 2019 15:31 Jockmcplop wrote:
Thanks!
Its a 5 grand payrise on what I have now for doing the same thing :O
If I get it I'll be buzzing.


You'll still be in Manchester though so it's not all positive ;D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 07:23 GMT
#2092
On May 22 2019 15:43 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.

"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.

I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.

That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.

She is mafia and this is how she is as mafia.
She is a pleasant and smart person as town.


I don't know how you took that away from this post but what I took away was iGrok saying he's trying to figure out the game while simultaneously having a fake dichotomy between calix and myself and never doing much else.

If he's town why does he get his points proven wrong and not go "hmmm better reread that maybe I'm wrong." He just sticks with the incorrect narrative and ignores it because that is more simple to push his mafia agenda of this fake pondering.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 07:25 GMT
#2093
On May 22 2019 15:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 15:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
Sorry for breaking the rules I didn't even think at the time.

I can continue to play but its up to you guys really. I don't want people to think they should lynch me and not bother because of what I said, that would suck hard and be unfair

The other option is I stop posting altogether for this game, which I'm absolutely fine with.


JOCK YOU'RE BACK :D I'm actually really happy cause I got sad reading that huge mess and I was really enjoying playing with you.

BTW idk if you saw this earlier but let's hydra next game (or maybe you can hydra with someone not as shitty as me). I kinda wanna hydra cause my solo scum reads are garbage and I need to work on that, plus it's super fun to chat about the game with someone you know is seeing it from a similar in-game perspective


Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 15:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
as usual I don't think I have any idea what's going on this game so I'm going to step back for a long while. I can't make heads nor tails of the giant mess that happened around when HF swapped to Jock for his contradiction and that's actually made me question literally all of my townreads because people I thought would look worse look better and people I'd thought look better in some cases look worse.

I felt pretty good about HF and BC but now I'm just confused. someone help.


What the fuck have I done that makes you question those reads??? You're the one who defended and saved igrok who has the shittest logic I've ever seen. He's picked 3 random people and decided one has to be mafia in it for absolutely no reason related to in game posts and then done nothing. I've completely decimated his post on me and disfo even confirmed it and he hasn't even batted an eyelidm


read my next few posts, my read on you hasn't actually changed, and I think on principle my read on BC hasn't really changed much either, just a bit wary/bothered that he bristled on Artanis so hard. Lots of interactions to play with there though and I'm on the side of Artanis being scum for now so we'll see what happens. Actually not sure if he's my top scum read yet as I think I want to prepare something for someone else.

The main catalyst for me being utterly confused is that the jock mess actually caused rayn to shoot up townier in my reads list. Like something just went off in my head as I flashbacked to last game; I probably wouldn't have seen it if you hadn't also seen and acted on the exact same contradiction by voting.

Like my personal opinion as I was in the process of reading that entire exchange was in agreement with Calix, that what Jock posted was indeed a contradiction and that it looked pretty awful but in context of the sea of posts Jock had I didn't think it lent much to Jock being scum. However, given how rayn plays I could 100% see town rayn just completely ignoring everything else and attacking Jock for that because that's literally what he did to me last game; he picked on the fact that I was a bit too slow in explaining some particular read I had for him and then he just didn't let that go. I really didn't notice this earlier in the game because I pretty much tuned out both rayn and Koshi for a good chunk of time and haven't really reread them at all.

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 15:27 Holyflare wrote:
That's fine. Please read igrok and then my points about him.


Let's talk about iGrok and Calix's interaction from EoD, I want to be convinced here because I'm on the town iGrok train with rayn/koshi/maybe now Calix and want to understand more. He had a fake vote on Calix as well as rayn, but only pointed out the one on rayn. He talked about a vote on Calix as if it wasn't a fake vote, and I found that odd. Why be transparent about one and not the other? Could chalk it up to a mistake...but otherwise the crux of my read at this moment is tone/behaviour; I saw how Calix reacted to their interaction by backing off a bit on iGrok and he did a very similar thing to me on the last page when I called him out for the 1 scum 2 town thing.

Do you acknowledge those things or do you think they're not relevant here?

Lastly HF, I want you to read this string of posts from VE, and just note it, you don't have to provide thoughts yet. I'm going to make a callout of some other oddities later tonight when I have some more time and let people come to their own conclusions about what they mean.

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 08:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yo bugs. I'll lynch Ruxxar now. If you want. *shrug*


Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 08:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean we're secure in a lynch now, like you wanted. But like...I could maybe lynch ruxx. You're right, the resistance was real.


Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Only if you stop calling me mafia though, and stop freaking the fuck out.

Then I'll switch my vote.


Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 22 2019 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if ruxxar flips town I’m killing anyone who townread him

omg then you can fuck yourself I'll just kill MY scumread. LOL


I don't really know where he ever says his calix vote is fake, nor do I care.

If his rayn vote is fake and you know it was fake, why does he use it as a reason to scum read me in his case as if it were real?

I liked VE's deadline posts.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 07:53 GMT
#2101
On May 22 2019 16:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 16:25 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 15:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 22 2019 15:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
Sorry for breaking the rules I didn't even think at the time.

I can continue to play but its up to you guys really. I don't want people to think they should lynch me and not bother because of what I said, that would suck hard and be unfair

The other option is I stop posting altogether for this game, which I'm absolutely fine with.


JOCK YOU'RE BACK :D I'm actually really happy cause I got sad reading that huge mess and I was really enjoying playing with you.

BTW idk if you saw this earlier but let's hydra next game (or maybe you can hydra with someone not as shitty as me). I kinda wanna hydra cause my solo scum reads are garbage and I need to work on that, plus it's super fun to chat about the game with someone you know is seeing it from a similar in-game perspective


On May 22 2019 15:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
as usual I don't think I have any idea what's going on this game so I'm going to step back for a long while. I can't make heads nor tails of the giant mess that happened around when HF swapped to Jock for his contradiction and that's actually made me question literally all of my townreads because people I thought would look worse look better and people I'd thought look better in some cases look worse.

I felt pretty good about HF and BC but now I'm just confused. someone help.


What the fuck have I done that makes you question those reads??? You're the one who defended and saved igrok who has the shittest logic I've ever seen. He's picked 3 random people and decided one has to be mafia in it for absolutely no reason related to in game posts and then done nothing. I've completely decimated his post on me and disfo even confirmed it and he hasn't even batted an eyelidm


read my next few posts, my read on you hasn't actually changed, and I think on principle my read on BC hasn't really changed much either, just a bit wary/bothered that he bristled on Artanis so hard. Lots of interactions to play with there though and I'm on the side of Artanis being scum for now so we'll see what happens. Actually not sure if he's my top scum read yet as I think I want to prepare something for someone else.

The main catalyst for me being utterly confused is that the jock mess actually caused rayn to shoot up townier in my reads list. Like something just went off in my head as I flashbacked to last game; I probably wouldn't have seen it if you hadn't also seen and acted on the exact same contradiction by voting.

Like my personal opinion as I was in the process of reading that entire exchange was in agreement with Calix, that what Jock posted was indeed a contradiction and that it looked pretty awful but in context of the sea of posts Jock had I didn't think it lent much to Jock being scum. However, given how rayn plays I could 100% see town rayn just completely ignoring everything else and attacking Jock for that because that's literally what he did to me last game; he picked on the fact that I was a bit too slow in explaining some particular read I had for him and then he just didn't let that go. I really didn't notice this earlier in the game because I pretty much tuned out both rayn and Koshi for a good chunk of time and haven't really reread them at all.

On May 22 2019 15:27 Holyflare wrote:
That's fine. Please read igrok and then my points about him.


Let's talk about iGrok and Calix's interaction from EoD, I want to be convinced here because I'm on the town iGrok train with rayn/koshi/maybe now Calix and want to understand more. He had a fake vote on Calix as well as rayn, but only pointed out the one on rayn. He talked about a vote on Calix as if it wasn't a fake vote, and I found that odd. Why be transparent about one and not the other? Could chalk it up to a mistake...but otherwise the crux of my read at this moment is tone/behaviour; I saw how Calix reacted to their interaction by backing off a bit on iGrok and he did a very similar thing to me on the last page when I called him out for the 1 scum 2 town thing.

Do you acknowledge those things or do you think they're not relevant here?

Lastly HF, I want you to read this string of posts from VE, and just note it, you don't have to provide thoughts yet. I'm going to make a callout of some other oddities later tonight when I have some more time and let people come to their own conclusions about what they mean.

On May 22 2019 08:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yo bugs. I'll lynch Ruxxar now. If you want. *shrug*


On May 22 2019 08:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean we're secure in a lynch now, like you wanted. But like...I could maybe lynch ruxx. You're right, the resistance was real.


On May 22 2019 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Only if you stop calling me mafia though, and stop freaking the fuck out.

Then I'll switch my vote.


On May 22 2019 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 22 2019 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if ruxxar flips town I’m killing anyone who townread him

omg then you can fuck yourself I'll just kill MY scumread. LOL


I don't really know where he ever says his calix vote is fake, nor do I care.

If his rayn vote is fake and you know it was fake, why does he use it as a reason to scum read me in his case as if it were real?

I liked VE's deadline posts.


Here's the "I unvoted Calix" thing, iGrok doesn't say it was a fake vote:

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 07:16 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:09 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote:
Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.

##unvote calix while processing


On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote:
iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.

Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa


How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario.

Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town.

But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this?
How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario?

If you are going for an easy lynch on anyone you can, you are mafia.

If you are mafia, and you try to push an easy lynch on calix, calix is not mafia.

If you legit thought calix was mafia, so you tried to lynch him, you are town.

Are you with me?


Calix is your scum read, arguably the most you've talked about. Why would I be a DUMB TOWN to vote on the person you think is mafia?

You are voting calix now. I am not and really don't think we should be.

Why are our alignments opposite? Surely I did a weak push and now we're both mafia??? This reads as extremely fake, I'm not even pushing calix and I don't really think I've pushed calix strongly all game so this indecision about our alignments reads really forced.

I unvoted on Calix when disinfo pointed out the logic. And alright, dumb town is harsh? but I still don't like jumping across so many accusation focuses so early.



But he never put this vote in the vote thread and never mentioned that he didn't do that (unlike the rayn one) and the only reason I even noticed this is because I knew from the vote thread that iGrok technically never voted until his first and final vote on you. I only wanted to point out that iGrok said his rayn vote was fake, but he never said that his Calix vote was fake, and I find that weird. I'd like him to explain this, actually.

Anyway, I don't know if they mean anything in terms of iGrok's alignment. Like from some weird perspective I could imagine he wanted to see reactions to him "voting" rayn in thread but didn't want to place a real vote because it was just for reaction fishing? No idea.

I think him reaching the conclusion on you being scum because he thinks one out of you three of ruxxar/HF/Calix is scum is pretty pants-on-head. Like this assertion is so blatant that I don't think he'd do it as scum, it draws too much attention. It's just that he tried to logic and then failed to consider whether you and Calix are both just town and you had a moment where you waffled on the read or whatever.


Too scummy to be scum, don't do that. It's much more simple that he's just mafia.

Do you know why he thinks calix is scummy in the first place? I'll quote it for you. Does this make sense to you?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 07:53 GMT
#2103
On May 22 2019 15:23 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 02:09 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck i really want to call iGrok town for that post hahahah ;D
So good.

Which?

Also right now top scum read is HF and calix, followed by arty. least confident is BC/bugs,

Key points on Calix:
Calix
HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good
-Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum
stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons
Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy
Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad
BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more?
Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also
pushes rayn
-#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr



I'm not sure how any of these points lead to a calix scum read by the way. Entry post is basic - mafia, that's the extent of why she's scummy essentially?

Otherwise it's ve/rayn conspiracy that changes to not really anymore - not scummy

bc point doesn't mean anything?

ruxxar point shows calix changing a read because someone shares a townie mindset with her - not scummy?

agrees with all the rayn points and if he didn't have meta with rayn it would be good??????

conclusion is that this is the most mafia person in the game lol??????


Worst points.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 07:57 GMT
#2106
On May 22 2019 16:50 Koshi wrote:
Imagine hf is town and a pleasant person to play with. 😱😱


Still town.

Can you at least talk about igrok from the perspective I'm town? Don't really care if you don't believe it. Do you think he's reached his points in a natutal way? The only reason you seem to think he's town is because of his targets and not anything else.

At least 50% of the 2 people he thinks are mafia are town (me) but why does he think I'm mafia to begin with? Can you explain that?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 08:08 GMT
#2114
On May 22 2019 17:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +

I'm not sure how any of these points lead to a calix scum read by the way. Entry post is basic - mafia, that's the extent of why she's scummy essentially?

Otherwise it's ve/rayn conspiracy that changes to not really anymore - not scummy

bc point doesn't mean anything?

ruxxar point shows calix changing a read because someone shares a townie mindset with her - not scummy?

agrees with all the rayn points and if he didn't have meta with rayn it would be good??????

conclusion is that this is the most mafia person in the game lol??????



The way these points are written, if iGrok is town, they come off more like iGrok had a gut read of Calix being scum and then confirmation biased himself further, if he saw anything at all scummy beyond the first two things.

Like "basic post easy to make if less experienced scum" -> sounds like a data point fit to an already held conclusion, whereas ruxxar made a very similar beginning post and yet iGrok thought that post was fine.

From a town-iGrok perspective the first two bullets (basic post + sheeping) are basically thread sentiment/easy primers and Calix is/was an easy scum read.


So, you read the above and think he has points on why calix is mafia right?

On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.

"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.

I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.

That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.


So, disformation comes in and says "they both unlikely to be mafia if one voted for the other!" and igrok goes omg you're right only one of them must be mafia but then ditches his calix is mafia read (the biggest wagon in the game!) because .... He wants to figure out the game? But he still calls calix mafia between me and herself too all the while! Why does she stop being mafia for this post that blatantly appeals to emotion when he has tangible points that he said make her mafia? It's all unflipped association nonsense. Why was I the mafia when he decided to vote calix out of both of us at that point??

Furthermore, he says he scum read ruxxar but conveniently when the wagon came up he found any excuse he could to not be on it and even switched his read. He spent the next 20 of his posts explaining logic with conversion between 3 people who were not up for lynch, threw his vote into a wagon with just himself and then berated you after the lynch despite doing nothing himself to stop it.

On May 22 2019 12:28 iGrok wrote:
fuck you bugs, you know I was right

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 08:15 GMT
#2115
Let it be said that igrok saved calix from dying but still called her mafia. Then voted a solo wagon and berated bugs for it.

If igrok stayed on his mafia read calix then she would have been (and was) in the lead for a substantial margin of time.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 08:18 GMT
#2116
I still don't even know why he calls me mafia. More specifically I don't know why nobody has called him out on his read "hf has called everyone mafia and thus must be mafia" because I do that in every game and nobody has corrected him. Do that and he's forced to reevaluate and not be stuck in this fake narrative.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 08:22 GMT
#2118
On June 14 2018 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 07:55 Holyflare wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:49 Holyflare wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:40 Holyflare wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:21 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Holyflare -- D1 you say this: "Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.

plz lynch

##vote raynpelikoneet

team is probably rayn/koshi "

How is your own D1 any better by your own standards, before you start commenting on fuba?


How is my day 1 better? What? I made a solid case on rayn before he started playing and then half way(!) through day 1 at a max 5 pages of thread I began hunting fuba. How is my play different? Probably because there's no trolling and all investigation.

I havent trolled at any point in this game and you made cases on 2 townies and tunneled like a dumb person. And your case on me was shit as fuck. So yeah...


Mate. Reading comprehension. Where do I say you were trolling?

What was i doing before my third post if not trolling if i am mafia?


Can you reread the summary? Other people were trolling, you told them to stop, you did nothing to contribute. That was the case. Nothing more. Nothing about you trolling. It wasn't a bad case for 5 pages into the thread and was half serious and half pressure. I didn't like your contributions so continued to vote you. Partly because I didn't really give a shit to do anything else and partly because I didn't think your content was great. When everyone and their mother started hard defending you I decided to back off and look into them. Today, when you actually start posting content and reasons for your reads you look a lot better. When you play afk and post trash about grack/superbia and kelsier being town when they posted 0 things and don't talk to ke then I'm going to think you're mafia.

I don't play by analysing specific points and sticking to them. I play by conversations and reevaluation after that.

incorrect.

first point. it was never pressure. never, you are lying 100% here. i know you and it was not pressure. fucking shit. no pressure, you are mafia.

second point. untrue. when "everyone and their mother started to defend me" you decided to do not a fucking single thing and when palmar was lynched THEN YOU FUCKING yelled everyone who CORRECTLY defended me are mafia. So, your call. What say you?


This game is cyclical. I did the same thing in this game as that. Exact same. Same rayn reaction :D

Just thought that was funny, doesn't mean anything.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 22 2019 08:34 GMT
#2121
On May 22 2019 17:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
omg I actually mistyped you're/your I am officially a dumbass


Your dead too me.
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 35 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
PiGosaur Cup #66
CranKy Ducklings97
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft439
RuFF_SC2 190
NeuroSwarm 167
PattyMac 18
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 6690
Larva 60
scan(afreeca) 42
-ZergGirl 31
Noble 20
Icarus 3
League of Legends
JimRising 769
Counter-Strike
taco 811
Stewie2K452
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0634
Other Games
summit1g9653
Artosis430
PiGStarcraft174
ViBE129
Maynarde88
Moletrap4
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1231
BasetradeTV29
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 59
• EnkiAlexander 58
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1107
• Stunt314
Other Games
• Scarra1287
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
6h 15m
OSC
20h 15m
RSL Revival
1d 6h
TriGGeR vs Cure
ByuN vs Rogue
Replay Cast
1d 20h
RSL Revival
2 days
Maru vs MaxPax
BSL
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-31
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W1
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.