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On May 03 2019 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also find it remarkable that bugs now thinks BC is mafia because all BC did D1 was to push on a person bugs himself did think was mafia.
no, that's not why BC became scummier to me. I had him as town for some basic reason I don't really recall, and it wasn't great. You actually made me realize that with this post:
On May 02 2019 09:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 09:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
I could argue on balance that one of you should be scum but that’s not the simplest answer because it requires me to throw away my actual read on one or both of you. if you have a real town read on us (i mean based on posts we have made) why do you ever even say this? What is your read on BC?
I replied re: BC with this:
On May 02 2019 09:19 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 09:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also why did you never ever push your read on MZ? Did you realise noone even got what your read was? BC town, I didn’t push my read on MZ because I doubted myself and I also wasn’t insistent enough on maintaining a counter wagon. Had Jock responded better to me I would have defended him very hard because I thought the meta case was really bad (also really HF, you should apologize for that reading comprehension insult LOL)
And then when I thought about why I have BC marked as town and read my sheet, I realized I didn't really have any good reason to think so and reread.
That's why I posted this:
On May 02 2019 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
actually thanks rayn, you made me realize that I have on read for not very great reasons.
BC what do you think of MZ and Pandain?
I think the one thing that makes BC look better is that his read on MZ seemed to evolve between consecutive posts, but that's so minor I'm not sure it's indicative of anything.
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In his reads list, pic of spreadsheet on this page.
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If you were doubting on your read on MZ then why he is colored all red again?
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Like your read on MZ should not have any doubt there and all that jizz happened before anything on jock ever took on.
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On May 03 2019 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you were doubting on your read on MZ then why he is colored all red again?
why is it that neither you nor HF seem to properly understand the concept of time?
Tell me, do you find these things weird?
1. MZ asked me a question and never followed up
2. MZ claimed to be suspicious of Jock but never voted
3. MZ claimed to be wary of single wagons but didn't actually bother looking into any secondary options independently (only asked me, per #1, about Grack on Rels)
My initial vote on MZ was just like "oh this feels like scum MZ" but my confidence level wasn't super high. MZ started posting a bit and his arguments for Jock being scum jived with what others were saying (this is a big factor in why I let the meta piece on Jock go, because there were multiple voices disagreeing with me). At the time, I didn't find MZ's posts all that strange. It's only in hindsight that I found him more scummy, especially because he disappeared and didn't follow up on the questions he asked that I never answered.
I actually think a lack of vote that risks modkill/warning is slightly more of a town-tell than a scum-tell just because scum are incentivized by their teammates to vote, so one explanation might just be that MZ became busy and never showed up again. However, there aren't any good reasons for me to think MZ is town other than that.
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I dont understand what has concept of time have to do with anything here because those things happened before jock was lynched, you had an original scumread on MZ and never chose to push it instead of this:
On May 02 2019 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Apparently he actually has a scumread on MZ. That in itself is weird because MZ's opening was at worst null and there was absolutely nothing scummy in it. Second point about that is that the rest of D1 bugs has wasted onto something (aka ll the posts on jock) that could have been said in one sentence - "play or die", if that's what you want to say. He never pursues the MZ lynch further and instead makes a completely useless set of coaching posts - like hf put it - onto a different person. Hell noone even knows why he scumreads MZ and he never even cared to explain that. Does that sound townie? Because to me it doesnt.
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On May 03 2019 00:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:I dont understand what has concept of time have to do with anything here because those things happened before jock was lynched, you had an original scumread on MZ and never chose to push it instead of this: Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Apparently he actually has a scumread on MZ. That in itself is weird because MZ's opening was at worst null and there was absolutely nothing scummy in it. Second point about that is that the rest of D1 bugs has wasted onto something (aka ll the posts on jock) that could have been said in one sentence - "play or die", if that's what you want to say. He never pursues the MZ lynch further and instead makes a completely useless set of coaching posts - like hf put it - onto a different person. Hell noone even knows why he scumreads MZ and he never even cared to explain that. Does that sound townie? Because to me it doesnt.
huh? it takes time to tell whether MZ is actually going to follow up, or vote, or do anything. I wasn't confident on MZ which is why I didn't push MZ. I wasn't confident on anybody, which is why I proposed no-lynch. Specifically, I wasn't confident we could avoid mislynch.
Also I'm typically not around for the last few hours before deadline because it's 5 a.m. here (currently 1 am) so I can't actually influence lynches effectively last-minute in a low-activity game.
I "coached" Jock, as you put it, because I wasn't confident on the meta read so I wanted to establish my own read by seeing Jock's responses. His responses were awful so I was fine with letting him die and didn't bother putting in any effort to change the lynch.
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In before HF harps on something minor to misrepresent me, like "oh but you only talked about no lynch after you voted" or whatever noise he wants to push
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Don't modkill plz.
I started working in the squadron plans shop Monday and its in a vault so no phones, been really busy. I promise I'll reread the thread and have some thoughts when I get home.
For what its worth I would have definitely voted Jock, nothing I skimmed over just now would have made me change my mind.
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On May 03 2019 01:01 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 00:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:I dont understand what has concept of time have to do with anything here because those things happened before jock was lynched, you had an original scumread on MZ and never chose to push it instead of this: On May 02 2019 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Apparently he actually has a scumread on MZ. That in itself is weird because MZ's opening was at worst null and there was absolutely nothing scummy in it. Second point about that is that the rest of D1 bugs has wasted onto something (aka ll the posts on jock) that could have been said in one sentence - "play or die", if that's what you want to say. He never pursues the MZ lynch further and instead makes a completely useless set of coaching posts - like hf put it - onto a different person. Hell noone even knows why he scumreads MZ and he never even cared to explain that. Does that sound townie? Because to me it doesnt. huh? it takes time to tell whether MZ is actually going to follow up, or vote, or do anything. I wasn't confident on MZ which is why I didn't push MZ. I wasn't confident on anybody, which is why I proposed no-lynch. Specifically, I wasn't confident we could avoid mislynch. Also I'm typically not around for the last few hours before deadline because it's 5 a.m. here (currently 1 am) so I can't actually influence lynches effectively last-minute in a low-activity game. I "coached" Jock, as you put it, because I wasn't confident on the meta read so I wanted to establish my own read by seeing Jock's responses. His responses were awful so I was fine with letting him die and didn't bother putting in any effort to change the lynch.
I dont care about when you post. I am not dick enough to make reads based on if people post when they cant or not. Still i dont know how anything you say here has anything to do with the fact you didnt push your scumread over some other person you didnt ferel strongly about being mafia.
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On May 02 2019 09:26 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 09:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am pretty sure i have said what i think the scum team is atm Pretty sure you said it was me, Vivax, and HF which I can tell you off the bat is at least 33% wrong. Also HF isn’t playing well IMO but at least for now that doesn’t make him scum. I know you probably think you are playing transparently and townie but if you are town, then I will ask that you spend less time contributing to the thread with useless filler posts like this one and more helping others actually establish your reads, particularly your reasoning. You certainly seem to think I should be doing that but you appear to have little self-awareness that you aren’t doing that.
On May 02 2019 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
actually thanks rayn, you made me realize that I have on read for not very great reasons.
BC what do you think of MZ and Pandain?
lol
scum
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gotta stop now, lunch break is over. I'm almost caught up, bugs and Vivax scums. Vivax is a really good wagon to start D2 with as he doesn't know how to defend as scum
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I dont really think Rels is mafia unless team is something stupid like Rels + BC + MZ and i am just bad.
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I feel like all of bugs suspicions are simply "did a guy that hasn't posted in days come back and post? No? Suspicious!"
I mean there's other suspicions sure but all of the others seem largely activity based even though he town read them before.
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I am struggling to find third scumread since i dont really think HF is scum and i dont really think FF is scum either.
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Why don't you think mz is mafia?
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On May 03 2019 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am struggling to find third scumread since i dont really think HF is scum and i dont really think FF is scum either.
let’s assume HF and FF are town for the sake of this
If you have two reads POE should give you a third. For me, if HF and FF are not scum, MZ BC Vivax would be my top 3.
If HF is not scum, and he’s also not totally whack this game, I might be wrong about Pandain and his name rises.
The only other players left are like VE and grack. Koshi we can wait on potentially because of the night post.
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On May 03 2019 02:46 Holyflare wrote:
Why don't you think mz is mafia?
Because of his opening. I know you disagree with this but i fail to see a world where MZ comes into the game as mafia claiming he would do the same mistakes he was lynched (and almost lynched) for last (two) games. I just don't believe it because that would require huge balls and i am not sure if MZ has that big of balls as mafia.
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On May 03 2019 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If there is a vigilante who shoots anyone else other than Vivax i am going to be super sad.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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