On March 04 2019 03:56 iamperfection wrote: Playing thread cop when announcing that your going to be away is illogical especially for someone like acro. This is a person that has had a 50 page filter before and he was also full of shit he has come back to the thread to post drivel several times. It also shows he isn't reading the thread correctly because he is scum. Thoses " claims" were clearly jokes and acro cant understand that because he knows who is scum.
I agree with this if only because he's never brought it up again regardless of whether or not people were lying.
He is also making reads but they aren't really reads.
Does he think rsoultin is mafia i dont know can you tell? i certainly cant he is just showing shade without taking any real stance. Mafia hate making real reads because its hard when you have to "make them up" . Same think with cobbler he makes a somewhat read but its nothing if you really read.
It's oblique but yes it looks like a mafia read at least to me. My question to you is - I agree with his cobbler read. What would your read be? Because obviously it's not that and I want to hear your opinion.
He then goes into coaching and then makes a scum read but has to add some nonsense he dosent really want to convince anyone to do anything really.
On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote: K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again.
Summary of the night:
##mayor Palmar
zzz
this is why the sent push is pointless
Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders.
And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town.
36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy.
And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit?
Though props for not being that guy at least.
People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO.
Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information.
Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above.
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
This post is ultra scummy. His stance on palmar reeks of having extra information one way or another. Palmar saying he is going to just policy lynch and fuck off should be called out by acro but instead he takes a wait and see approach because he dosent really care how it turns out. Acro is good player and he should be shitting on palamr for saying he is going to fuck off. Instead he says we will figure it out but dosent really suggest how to do it. Shouldnt he be puhing palmar now? why wait. he dosent really want to figure out palmars alignment because he already knows what it is.
Acro is the one who went sailing right? How do you push another player for fucking off from the thread when you yourself are planning to fuck off from the thread
not really pushing anything and has several other posts where he attacks low hanging fruit just to feign activity. Acro is mafia and that is who i will vote for.
I want all of you to comment on my case and vote acro.
I didn't look too closely at this list because Acro was the 21st player I looked at (out of 21) but I agree that some of his picks are suss. Specifically having Exo, SL, me and Oats all in one. Any one or two of those put together makes sense but all 4 together look like easy picks.
Going to have to revise my read to be more read but I can't call him scum yet until I look into him more
On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: 1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad.
can you quote one of them ? IAMP is claiming it has never happen
No. Do your own homework. Lamp and I have played together a few games, but I have no idea which ones. But don't worry, I only have like 20 games for you to go through.
On March 04 2019 03:56 iamperfection wrote: Playing thread cop when announcing that your going to be away is illogical especially for someone like acro. This is a person that has had a 50 page filter before and he was also full of shit he has come back to the thread to post drivel several times. It also shows he isn't reading the thread correctly because he is scum. Thoses " claims" were clearly jokes and acro cant understand that because he knows who is scum.
I agree with this if only because he's never brought it up again regardless of whether or not people were lying.
He is also making reads but they aren't really reads.
Does he think rsoultin is mafia i dont know can you tell? i certainly cant he is just showing shade without taking any real stance. Mafia hate making real reads because its hard when you have to "make them up" . Same think with cobbler he makes a somewhat read but its nothing if you really read.
It's oblique but yes it looks like a mafia read at least to me. My question to you is - I agree with his cobbler read. What would your read be? Because obviously it's not that and I want to hear your opinion.
He then goes into coaching and then makes a scum read but has to add some nonsense he dosent really want to convince anyone to do anything really.
On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote: K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again.
Summary of the night:
##mayor Palmar
zzz
this is why the sent push is pointless
Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders.
And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town.
36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy.
And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit?
Though props for not being that guy at least.
People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO.
Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information.
Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above.
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
This post is ultra scummy. His stance on palmar reeks of having extra information one way or another. Palmar saying he is going to just policy lynch and fuck off should be called out by acro but instead he takes a wait and see approach because he dosent really care how it turns out. Acro is good player and he should be shitting on palamr for saying he is going to fuck off. Instead he says we will figure it out but dosent really suggest how to do it. Shouldnt he be puhing palmar now? why wait. he dosent really want to figure out palmars alignment because he already knows what it is.
Acro is the one who went sailing right? How do you push another player for fucking off from the thread when you yourself are planning to fuck off from the thread
not really pushing anything and has several other posts where he attacks low hanging fruit just to feign activity. Acro is mafia and that is who i will vote for.
I want all of you to comment on my case and vote acro.
I didn't look too closely at this list because Acro was the 21st player I looked at (out of 21) but I agree that some of his picks are suss. Specifically having Exo, SL, me and Oats all in one. Any one or two of those put together makes sense but all 4 together look like easy picks.
Going to have to revise my read to be more read but I can't call him scum yet until I look into him more
On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it.
i dont think ive ever made a case on you what are you talking about lol
On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it.
i dont think ive ever made a case on you what are you talking about lol
On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it.
i dont think ive ever made a case on you what are you talking about lol
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
Yes, they are... you'll note that you weren't on there either. Although I'm not entirely sure anymore why not.
Palmar isn't on there because I was (and am) voting for him for mayor. So no, I don't think he's scum BH falls in the Koshi, Mocsta, Pandain, Rels, Onegu list of people who hadn't posted at all, and thus I couldn't make my mind up either way. DarthFoley doesn't seem too scummy and had been posting.
Sentinel was the only guy there who was mostly policy, and only partially because he was doing nothing of value. The rest were all there because I read their filter and found nothing much to believe they're town:
Oats posted a craptastic bunch of "reads" and then went away again without adding anything to the thread except for a bunch of troll posts. Lets get this show on the road. Kill Oats for justice
FF wants to be mayor, but a town FF would know he stands no chance with HF, Palmar, Cobbler, Ace, rayn, BH and iamp. Yet that is literally the only thing he has posted about all thread. Other than that he's thrown some shade around without any conviction.
WoS, ExO_. Entered, trolled, fucked off. Basically did nothing beyond phone in their presence, promise better and fuck off.
sicklucker: I'll call him "Oats light".
Wiggles: don't really want to lynch him anymore, but he was there in the WoS, ExO_ list.
Other people aren't on there because I think they're probably town or there simply isn't enough information to figure it out yet.
Also if a town FF would know he can't stand up against HF and whoever else's starpower why would a mafia FF run for mayor? Why say that running for mayor is the only thing I've posted when it's demonstrably not true?
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
Yes, they are... you'll note that you weren't on there either. Although I'm not entirely sure anymore why not.
Palmar isn't on there because I was (and am) voting for him for mayor. So no, I don't think he's scum BH falls in the Koshi, Mocsta, Pandain, Rels, Onegu list of people who hadn't posted at all, and thus I couldn't make my mind up either way. DarthFoley doesn't seem too scummy and had been posting.
Sentinel was the only guy there who was mostly policy, and only partially because he was doing nothing of value. The rest were all there because I read their filter and found nothing much to believe they're town:
Oats posted a craptastic bunch of "reads" and then went away again without adding anything to the thread except for a bunch of troll posts. Lets get this show on the road. Kill Oats for justice
FF wants to be mayor, but a town FF would know he stands no chance with HF, Palmar, Cobbler, Ace, rayn, BH and iamp. Yet that is literally the only thing he has posted about all thread. Other than that he's thrown some shade around without any conviction.
WoS, ExO_. Entered, trolled, fucked off. Basically did nothing beyond phone in their presence, promise better and fuck off.
sicklucker: I'll call him "Oats light".
Wiggles: don't really want to lynch him anymore, but he was there in the WoS, ExO_ list.
Other people aren't on there because I think they're probably town or there simply isn't enough information to figure it out yet.
Also if a town FF would know he can't stand up against HF and whoever else's starpower why would a mafia FF run for mayor? Why say that running for mayor is the only thing I've posted when it's demonstrably not true?
A mafia FF would run for mayor as a "look, I'm doing something" with no chance of actually succeeding, which is what your "mayor" run seems like.
And yes, it is literally all you have done. Run for mayor and thrown shade: "chezinu is mafialike", "multiple people including me". "what makes you think Acro is townie", and this entire post:
On March 04 2019 03:35 Fecalfeast wrote: catchup and reads post
I think LS is mafia
I think rayn and HF are town but I have a stronger townread on rayn because HF is acting sneaky
rsoul was giving me mafia vibes but every time I would try to make anote on a quote for her it petered out so neutral until I can find my words?
I dislike acrofales just pointing at lurkers and agreeing with people. Seems not only lazy but trying to seem not lazy so mafia
palmar is lowkey playing on a weekend and that's suspicious
yes a number of my points are rehashes of things in rayns big post because I agreed with it
damdred is scum but maybe not
sentinel didn't say he read his role pm and I don't want to vote HF or palmar as mayor VOTE FOR ME AS MAYOR I AM TOWN AND WILL NOT BE SWAYED BY EVIL MAFIA FORCES THIS GAME
On March 03 2019 06:39 Holyflare wrote: If you don't comment on a really obvious inconsistency I'll be sad.
I agree Oatsmaster's play has been quite subpar so far, and I agree that his assessment of your play this game is awful. However maybe I'm wrong in this but I don't feel like his play is mafia-motivated at all. I don't really think mafia would want to enter the thread late and use a bunch of garbage reasons to push suspicion at people, including people like you who are quite likely to respond and respond with a lot of weight. It would be an exceptionally stupid move.
Maybe it's dumb but that makes me actually not want to lynch Oatsmaster right now. Or was there something else you were referring to?
I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone.
So here we go,
The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid.
However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum.
He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y.
There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on.
I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing.
However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case.
EBWOP: also, HF's case on Oats was based on some nonsense that made no sense. Not on the reasons that Oats is actually scummy (although it did start that way). It was about Oats changing his mind when Oats never changed his mind (just threw out an unsubstantiated read and never commented on it again).
I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone.
So here we go,
The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid.
However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum.
He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y.
There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on.
I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing.
However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case.
So who is the best lynch? You've been rather useless today.
EPT
honestly one of my least favourite posts in the game
