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On March 15 2019 02:39 Acrofales wrote:
@LS: interesting. Your thoughts on MZ got a bit snowed under in the thread. I remembered TT, but didn't really connect that. However, am I right in reading that that is 99% you and 1% Rels.
In general, the log looks a bit lopsided with you posting most of the content, and him just sorta nodding along.
Take in mind some of was me talking in the qt to vent a little a some of it was to put my thoughts in the qt so I can engage with rels. Another thing to consider is that he generally been afk so ofc it will look more like me talking more than him due to that.
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On March 15 2019 02:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 02:39 Acrofales wrote:
@LS: interesting. Your thoughts on MZ got a bit snowed under in the thread. I remembered TT, but didn't really connect that. However, am I right in reading that that is 99% you and 1% Rels.
In general, the log looks a bit lopsided with you posting most of the content, and him just sorta nodding along. Take in mind some of was me talking in the qt to vent a little a some of it was to put my thoughts in the qt so I can engage with rels. Another thing to consider is that he generally been afk so ofc it will look more like me talking more than him due to that.
Ok. Just walk me through your townread on Rels.
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Fwiw LS is scum with his +1 posts..
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On March 15 2019 02:55 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 02:51 LightningStrike wrote:On March 15 2019 02:39 Acrofales wrote:
@LS: interesting. Your thoughts on MZ got a bit snowed under in the thread. I remembered TT, but didn't really connect that. However, am I right in reading that that is 99% you and 1% Rels.
In general, the log looks a bit lopsided with you posting most of the content, and him just sorta nodding along. Take in mind some of was me talking in the qt to vent a little a some of it was to put my thoughts in the qt so I can engage with rels. Another thing to consider is that he generally been afk so ofc it will look more like me talking more than him due to that. Ok. Just walk me through your townread on Rels.
He not been trying to buddy town leaders this game which is a good tell for him as scum. He loves to buddy up with town leaders more as scum than town. Here he not really been doing that instead he tried to use his role on Tina who isn't much of a town leader this game, Rayn although a town leader was shot when he tried to do it and me who not even close to being a town leader. If he was scum why would he recruit Tina or Rayn at all who people were mostly townreading? This helps leading to my townread on rels.
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On March 15 2019 02:59 Onegu wrote:
Fwiw LS is scum with his +1 posts..
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I might swap Grack with Rels/FF but other than that I think your reads are spot on Acro.
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On March 15 2019 03:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I might swap Grack with Rels/FF but other than that I think your reads are spot on Acro.
So you think you're null?
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On March 15 2019 03:03 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 03:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I might swap Grack with Rels/FF but other than that I think your reads are spot on Acro. So you think you're null?
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On March 15 2019 03:03 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 03:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I might swap Grack with Rels/FF but other than that I think your reads are spot on Acro. So you think you're null?
lmao
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Give the guy a break he got a family feed :o
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On March 15 2019 03:03 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 03:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I might swap Grack with Rels/FF but other than that I think your reads are spot on Acro. So you think you're null?
You don't have me as scum? You almost the same reads I do? I think my play so far justifies a null read on me, that's why I haven't jumped down the throats of the many people who have called me scum lol.
I'm town, as long as we're lynching people I think are scum in a lylo situation I'm good with people reading me however they please.
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Well it could be worse Acro he could be biting peoples ears off lol...
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On March 15 2019 03:07 Vivax wrote:
Any last words MZ
Your time to lynch me was yesterday lol, I was happy to flip in a non lylo situation.
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If SK is out there you need to shoot scum if you want to win
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Yeah Acro I mentioned this tone change in Oatsmaster a long tme ago. (Though rereading it I didn't do a very good job of "sticking with it 100%" lol.
I did see the BC quote too as potentially iffy but it seemed a lot less conclusive to me than Wiggles conversation.
On March 07 2019 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: Wiggles and Oats Seriously everyone stop what you're doing and read all of Oatsmaster's filter. It is snarky comment, followed by asshole question throughout the entire filter EXCEPT for one point, where he very clearly seems to be making conversation with Wiggles for no reason but because they're both online and want to distance: Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote. oops you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 13:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote. oops you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways. Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment: On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote:I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post: On March 03 2019 18:23 Tubesock wrote:Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches? I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far. On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote:
Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch. You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by. Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmar so he actually plays. Town win wins. On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote:
I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play. If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far. I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players. What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game? On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote:
There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch. I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you! Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace? That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said. You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor. Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone. Reads scummy to me. When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me? Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why? Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear. I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too. I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember. I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator. I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either. Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 14:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 13:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 13:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote. oops you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways. Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment: On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote:I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post: On March 03 2019 18:23 Tubesock wrote:Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches? I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far. On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote:
Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch. You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by. Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmar so he actually plays. Town win wins. On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote:
I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play. If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far. I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players. What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game? On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
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That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor. Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone. Reads scummy to me. When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me? Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why? Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear. I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too. I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember. I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator. I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either. Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play. Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in? Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 15:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 14:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 14:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 13:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 13:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote. oops you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways. Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment: On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote:
I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:
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I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
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If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far. I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players. What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game? On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
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When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why? Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear. I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too. I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember. I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator. I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either. Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play. Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in? I suspect it was something of a bait to check reactions. As to what he was looking for exactly, I think he'd need to answer that himself. I get the feeling he was having a laugh too, like some of the other entry posts. It's the lack of follow through or trying to push it that doesn't push it into scum territory for me. There was the one post about it, some reactions, and it didn't eat up a bunch of thread space with back and forth. i mean, it gained 0 traction and a ton of backlash, why bother pushing it or following up on it. Unless it was a straight up joke post which i doubt, town Ace wouldve felt some ownership towards the case Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning. I wanna lynch Acro yeah lol This is so out of character from the rest of how Oats acts in his filter. I'm sticking with this 100% Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 02:06 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm reading through Wiggles' filter now.
I have a strong suspicion that if he is scum that I can find the entire mafia team from associations in his filter. Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wanna say wriggles is town because everyone is literally ignoring him but he’s still trying his best Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Looking at Mr wriggles filter, he’s about as bland as a bowl of porridge. He doesn’t put himself out there, doesn’t really seem interested in finding scum and is kinda cruising doing whatever, take some real fencesitting reads. mafia It also took me longer to find relevant quotes that I knew I read before I realized that my search is off because he calls him Wriggles.
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On March 15 2019 03:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Your time to lynch me was yesterday lol, I was happy to flip in a non lylo situation.
I was joking
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On March 04 2019 13:18 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 13:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 02:42 Ace wrote:On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder. Wiggles re-read what you wrote here and think about what a non-Sentinel lynch could reveal. I think we're on somewhat similar terms of thinking here. @Acrofales: *nod*. On March 04 2019 03:09 Ace wrote:On March 04 2019 02:49 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder. My vote will never be on anyone other than Sentinel as mayor. If he claims a role pm being read then it will be on whoever is the second highest vote, as I've stated. I don't think I'm a "wild cannon" like you purport. More so Palmar will be just doing what he wants and that is far more detrimental when he self reportedly doesn't play weekends and has only really come up with a Sentinel policy lynch and some mediocre writings (although not awful to read, just no drive). I really, really hope you and Wiggles are putting things together without it having to be explicitly stated 😁 So btw who is the case for second best vote? I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base. Gonna move that mayor vote. oops you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
Especially this line seemed very out of character to me.
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Aight y'all surprise surprise I have to go flying again, I will be back tonight as usual.
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Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor:
Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2:
Without a medic, we have already lost:
14-X vs X vs 1
11-X vs X - 1 vs 1
8-X vs X - 2 vs 1
5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1
If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
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