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On March 02 2019 21:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 21:11 rsoultin wrote:On March 02 2019 21:02 Vivax wrote:On March 02 2019 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 02 2019 20:51 Vivax wrote:
@ Rayn
MZ said explicitly that he's accepting convs scum claim as a joke, but he wanted to know why he put in those names anyway.
Why is that a reason for you to question his motives?
And why does Conversion instantly get on the defensive about it when MZ said it isn't a reason to scumread him? Read again, MZ never said Conversion isn't mafia. He said quite the opposite, and i understood perfectly what Conversion was pushing him about. That being said i think that particular answer later on where he explains his stance on Conversion can come easily come from either town or scum, which is why i dropped the conversation about it. MZ was poking him about it as he said himself and that's how I was reading the entire thing. It's just you and conversion that seemingly are construing it as a scumread. riddle me this: if you believe me to be mafia, in what world would my first post in a rather dull thread be exposing any of my teammates? if you were to believe I was mafia, as a townie you wouldn't care about my list as you'd have to believe I'm playing against mafia win condition by unnecessarily exposing my teammates for a joke post that wasn't even funny
if you believe I am town, then the order doesn't matter cause I'm just making a dumb joke And this quote from Conversion isn't something a townie would ever write. "Hey I made a joke post about me being mafia. Let me explain why if it weren't a joke post, it wouldn't make me mafia" Okay, you can be in my non-lynch pile. This feels like a vivaxy thing to focus on though I can't say I read his post the same way you do. I'd actually call his post a potential strawman argument. "Why did you pick those names?" "Why do you care why I picked those names? It's a joke."I agree with MP that names come from somewhere, joke or not -shrugs- That's what I'd rather expect from a townie making a joke. And not try to use your joke post in an argumentation for you not being mafia.
Screaming agreement with you there. It's just I don't read the intention behind Conversion's posting as trying to make an argument that makes him not mafia? And since neither of us are him I don't know how we can know his intent for sure :/
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On March 02 2019 21:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 21:17 rsoultin wrote:On March 02 2019 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I see what you're saying Vivax but i think you are blowing it out of proportion. Conversion is very very likely to be town. Because...? Because he sounds town the same way he sounded town in Secret Hitler game, especially in his argument with happykrogan.
-headdesks- too lazy to look that up and the likelihood it helps me with either his or your alignment even if i do is just so minimal pffft
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I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker.
He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed:On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote:
rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na
Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.
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On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote:I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker. He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed: Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote:
rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.
lol i totally missed where he tr me >< maybe na maybe na
idk he hasn't done the thing i associate with town sl's
if you want the truth though i'm more weirded out by tube
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On March 02 2019 22:06 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote:I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker. He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed: On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote:
rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist. lol i totally missed where he tr me >< maybe na maybe na idk he hasn't done the thing i associate with town sl's if you want the truth though i'm more weirded out by tube
to clarify, the thing i associate with town sl's is a bit more solid than just voting to lynch me lol ><
my issue with tube is not only was his entrance crap but he only came out again when i pointed it out (same time i named sl) and since hasn't done a thing. active lurker much?
also, is it bad that i'm wanting to association read you town because of rayn who could easily be scum? i agree your later posts look townier but i don't understand his townreading you for your early posts
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Just woke up:
On March 02 2019 14:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
chezinu i agree ls is mafialike
Why you think I am mafia? I am sad you not reading me right 
On March 02 2019 16:59 Tubesock wrote:
I like Chez because he’s entertaining.
I would love for a couple things in this game to be true. We RNG lynch Blazinghand, and that Chezinu hasn’t played with LightningStrike and falls to the rule of LS. Although that’s just the troll in me. I think Chez and LS are townie.
I did play some games with chez in the past about 4 games I think?
Also liking rayn so far this game though and same with Tina hopefully we get more people to post!
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On March 02 2019 22:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote:I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker. He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed: On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote:
rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist. lol i totally missed where he tr me >< maybe na maybe na idk he hasn't done the thing i associate with town sl's if you want the truth though i'm more weirded out by tube to clarify, the thing i associate with town sl's is a bit more solid than just voting to lynch me lol >< my issue with tube is not only was his entrance crap but he only came out again when i pointed it out (same time i named sl) and since hasn't done a thing. active lurker much? also, is it bad that i'm wanting to association read you town because of rayn who could easily be scum? i agree your later posts look townier but i don't understand his townreading you for your early posts I hate phoneposting but I'm too lazy to get out of bed and walk three feet to my computer so ><
That's a fair point on Tubesock, I could definitely see that. I still think I want to lynch sicklucker more but that's a good catch.
And yes that association read is bad ^^
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Trfels posts on this page read to me like a bit of minimum effort "scumhunting" coupled with sucking up to rsoultin when poked.
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tref you have wanted to town lynch me every single game ive played with you. and not just a little bit you targeted me day 1'sand really hard and were always wrong. im not so interested in defending myself its way too early for that and I do that alot as town lynching me day one is always a town mistake in a vacuum anyway. im more just pointing out shit reads and im the constant that I know
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like im sure there have been some good negative reads for example. I liked rayns read on me that somethings off. I kind of agree on that one
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I mean not just accurate just something I think a townie would feel about me since I havent played this shit game in years
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On March 02 2019 20:53 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 02 2019 17:14 rsoultin wrote:
It means you're doing the things you know I look for when I'm trying to get a read on you, which you've admitted to doing as mafia when I'm in a game. So while it makes me want to townread you I can't be as sure as I'd like to be :/
It's mostly tonal with Trfel. Seems really stiff at the start of the game with LS, even disregarding the smilies. There's a caveat here that I think will work itself out before EoD, though. Surprise i do things that i do as town as mafia aswell?  Fine, i got completely different read on him from the beginning and then he also did a trademark town Trfel thing later. Also this post bothers me. It's downplaying the fact that he legitimately knows I look for him engaging with people to get reads, and that there are at least two scum games (one where I was probably the town leader and another where there were enough other strong town players that if I went ham on him he'd probably be safe unless they independently scumread him) where he catered his play specifically to how I read him. In earlier scum games he'd yell at people and it would feel more like rayn against the world. So this post bothers me because it's a de-escalation that's almost submissive while at the same time trying to downplay something we both know he's done. "Oh, really, as scum I do some of the same things as town?" And I know I just made a wall of text that means probably nothing to anyone but yeah -_- if anyone wants to know where some of the leeriness is coming from there you go. (Also he hasn't called me scum yet for having different reads than him >>)
Nobody is basing their play around getting a town read from you in a 35 player game.
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I feel confident in this so far:
Vivax
Rayn
Jockmcplop
I think that Rayn is reading MZ's posts wrong but I believe that he's actually trying to reason out MZ's motivations for the posts that he makes. I don't think MZ's posts have been scummy.
I think Vivax's posts are very very likely to come from town Vivax.
There is one person that I have a gut feeling is scum but it's not worth getting into yet and I want to see more posts.
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On March 02 2019 22:39 Vivax wrote:
Trfels posts on this page read to me like a bit of minimum effort "scumhunting" coupled with sucking up to rsoultin when poked.
I think you might be reading to much into it? Didn't seem like he was trying to suck it up to Tina at least to me.
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On March 02 2019 23:25 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 22:39 Vivax wrote:
Trfels posts on this page read to me like a bit of minimum effort "scumhunting" coupled with sucking up to rsoultin when poked. I think you might be reading to much into it? Didn't seem like he was trying to suck it up to Tina at least to me.
No? How come he just agrees lazily without even looking up what rso was talking about and realizing that what she "pointed out" wasn't even about Tubesock who mistakenly thought he was being mentioned.
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That post reeks like being a docile little scum puppy all ove.r
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On March 02 2019 21:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 21:11 rsoultin wrote:On March 02 2019 21:02 Vivax wrote:On March 02 2019 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 02 2019 20:51 Vivax wrote:
@ Rayn
MZ said explicitly that he's accepting convs scum claim as a joke, but he wanted to know why he put in those names anyway.
Why is that a reason for you to question his motives?
And why does Conversion instantly get on the defensive about it when MZ said it isn't a reason to scumread him? Read again, MZ never said Conversion isn't mafia. He said quite the opposite, and i understood perfectly what Conversion was pushing him about. That being said i think that particular answer later on where he explains his stance on Conversion can come easily come from either town or scum, which is why i dropped the conversation about it. MZ was poking him about it as he said himself and that's how I was reading the entire thing. It's just you and conversion that seemingly are construing it as a scumread. riddle me this: if you believe me to be mafia, in what world would my first post in a rather dull thread be exposing any of my teammates? if you were to believe I was mafia, as a townie you wouldn't care about my list as you'd have to believe I'm playing against mafia win condition by unnecessarily exposing my teammates for a joke post that wasn't even funny
if you believe I am town, then the order doesn't matter cause I'm just making a dumb joke And this quote from Conversion isn't something a townie would ever write. "Hey I made a joke post about me being mafia. Let me explain why if it weren't a joke post, it wouldn't make me mafia" Okay, you can be in my non-lynch pile. This feels like a vivaxy thing to focus on though I can't say I read his post the same way you do. I'd actually call his post a potential strawman argument. "Why did you pick those names?" "Why do you care why I picked those names? It's a joke."I agree with MP that names come from somewhere, joke or not -shrugs- That's what I'd rather expect from a townie making a joke. And not try to use your joke post in an argumentation for you not being mafia.
the dude was being flimsy as hell about accusing me over a joke post, which is why I even bothered defending myself
you're entitled to your opinions though, and I think your town for what you posted
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On March 02 2019 23:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 23:25 LightningStrike wrote:On March 02 2019 22:39 Vivax wrote:
Trfels posts on this page read to me like a bit of minimum effort "scumhunting" coupled with sucking up to rsoultin when poked. I think you might be reading to much into it? Didn't seem like he was trying to suck it up to Tina at least to me. No? How come he just agrees lazily without even looking up what rso was talking about and realizing that what she "pointed out" wasn't even about Tubesock who mistakenly thought he was being mentioned.
Let me rephrase it: I don't think he was trying to buddy Tina there that was the part I think you were rreading to much into.
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also he was trying to fish for something completely irrelevant, like why I picked those names. which the answer is going to be totally NAI anyways because why would I say anything besides "I randomly picked those names for a joke"
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Anyways I think Vivax might be town atm just going to see if he can continue posting since he can't keep it up as scum.
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