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Vivax
22412 Posts
MZ said explicitly that he's accepting convs scum claim as a joke, but he wanted to know why he put in those names anyway. Why is that a reason for you to question his motives? And why does Conversion instantly get on the defensive about it when MZ said it isn't a reason to scumread him? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
LightningStrike Tumblewood Conversion Trfel Tictock Vivax rsoultin Maybe town: Holyflare Jockmcplop ExO_ Mocsta Rels Maybe mafia: iamperfection Meapak_Ziphh Alakaslam Acrofales Other people i have no idea about, except i feel like something 's off with sicklucker and fecalfeast but i can't point out directly what. Gonna try to sleep a bit more now, i caught a food poisoning on thursday so the last couple of days haven't been well for me regarding sleep and food. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 02 2019 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Surprise i do things that i do as town as mafia aswell?  Fine, i got completely different read on him from the beginning and then he also did a trademark town Trfel thing later. Also this post bothers me. It's downplaying the fact that he legitimately knows I look for him engaging with people to get reads, and that there are at least two scum games (one where I was probably the town leader and another where there were enough other strong town players that if I went ham on him he'd probably be safe unless they independently scumread him) where he catered his play specifically to how I read him. In earlier scum games he'd yell at people and it would feel more like rayn against the world. So this post bothers me because it's a de-escalation that's almost submissive while at the same time trying to downplay something we both know he's done. "Oh, really, as scum I do some of the same things as town?" And I know I just made a wall of text that means probably nothing to anyone but yeah -_- if anyone wants to know where some of the leeriness is coming from there you go. (Also he hasn't called me scum yet for having different reads than him >>) | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 02 2019 20:51 Vivax wrote: @ Rayn MZ said explicitly that he's accepting convs scum claim as a joke, but he wanted to know why he put in those names anyway. Why is that a reason for you to question his motives? And why does Conversion instantly get on the defensive about it when MZ said it isn't a reason to scumread him? Read again, MZ never said Conversion isn't mafia. He said quite the opposite, and i understood perfectly what Conversion was pushing him about. That being said i think that particular answer later on where he explains his stance on Conversion can come easily come from either town or scum, which is why i dropped the conversation about it. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote: What are your reads that don't matter BC? Why the hell would I post a read that doesnt matter? If i don't have someone directly pinned as green/red they are neutral until a) I have time to filter dive them and get a better idea of a read b) They do something that pushes them one way or the other. Talking about my "42%" chance to be scum read as an example serves basically no fucking point. | ||
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Vivax
22412 Posts
On March 02 2019 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Read again, MZ never said Conversion isn't mafia. He said quite the opposite, and i understood perfectly what Conversion was pushing him about. That being said i think that particular answer later on where he explains his stance on Conversion can come easily come from either town or scum, which is why i dropped the conversation about it. MZ was poking him about it as he said himself and that's how I was reading the entire thing. It's just you and conversion that seemingly are construing it as a scumread. riddle me this: if you believe me to be mafia, in what world would my first post in a rather dull thread be exposing any of my teammates? if you were to believe I was mafia, as a townie you wouldn't care about my list as you'd have to believe I'm playing against mafia win condition by unnecessarily exposing my teammates for a joke post that wasn't even funny if you believe I am town, then the order doesn't matter cause I'm just making a dumb joke And this quote from Conversion isn't something a townie would ever write. "Hey I made a joke post about me being mafia. Let me explain why if it weren't a joke post, it wouldn't make me mafia" | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 02 2019 21:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why the hell would I post a read that doesnt matter? If i don't have someone directly pinned as green/red they are neutral until a) I have time to filter dive them and get a better idea of a read b) They do something that pushes them one way or the other. Talking about my "42%" chance to be scum read as an example serves basically no fucking point. lol you sound angry. So we're your only reads. Cool. Would have expected that rather than 'only important' reads, but whatevs. When you get some more I might be able to make a judgement call on you beyond we clearly do not see the game the same way. And, to be fair, I get why people aren't townreading Iam but whatever I'm gonna be the hipster. I can also see you not getting the nuances I'm talking about with Chez. I can even perhaps see me either being wrong on Chez's contributions even while trolling. So the only real thing you've given me is being pretty defensive for seemingly no reason when I just asked you a question. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 02 2019 21:02 Vivax wrote: MZ was poking him about it as he said himself and that's how I was reading the entire thing. It's just you and conversion that seemingly are construing it as a scumread. And this quote from Conversion isn't something a townie would ever write. "Hey I made a joke post about me being mafia. Let me explain why if it weren't a joke post, it wouldn't make me mafia" These are the posts MZ made about Conversion after: On March 02 2019 11:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I mean I doubt he just gave up the entire scum team (which is why I said it was probably BS) but I certainly don't think he's somehow cleared. I'm even more interested now since he has apparently read my poking at him as me thinking I've got an "ironclad case" On March 02 2019 11:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is literally all WIFOM lol. Do we still say that around here? Personally, because of Trfel already (presumably) fake claiming scum in the thread, your "dumb joke" strikes me as a fairly safe entry type post for someone who is scum. I wanted to see what reasons you had for your list since scum often have a habit of including one or two of their teammates in lists like that. And if nothing else you talking about your list could spark a little conversation. I don't think you are reading Conversion's posts correctly, and for the record it is not just me and him who are "construing it as a scumread", Tumblewood and Holyflare did the same thing. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On March 02 2019 11:00 Conversion wrote: riddle me this: if you believe me to be mafia, in what world would my first post in a rather dull thread be exposing any of my teammates? if you were to believe I was mafia, as a townie you wouldn't care about my list as you'd have to believe I'm playing against mafia win condition by unnecessarily exposing my teammates for a joke post that wasn't even funny if you believe I am town, then the order doesn't matter cause I'm just making a dumb joke As Mafia I have more than once bussed my team so that when I died people would ignore all my analysis / reads of who I thought was mafia and pick people I avoided talking about etc... Its led to more wins than it ever should have. Causing chaos / a nice cover for your team is never playing against your win con if you are mafia. Also he said he wanted to lynch Trfel for lying then proceeded to lie himself -_- | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 02 2019 21:02 Vivax wrote: MZ was poking him about it as he said himself and that's how I was reading the entire thing. It's just you and conversion that seemingly are construing it as a scumread. And this quote from Conversion isn't something a townie would ever write. "Hey I made a joke post about me being mafia. Let me explain why if it weren't a joke post, it wouldn't make me mafia" Okay, you can be in my non-lynch pile. This feels like a vivaxy thing to focus on though I can't say I read his post the same way you do. I'd actually call his post a potential strawman argument. "Why did you pick those names?" "Why do you care why I picked those names? It's a joke." I agree with MP that names come from somewhere, joke or not -shrugs- | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On March 02 2019 21:06 rsoultin wrote: lol you sound angry. So we're your only reads. Cool. Would have expected that rather than 'only important' reads, but whatevs. When you get some more I might be able to make a judgement call on you beyond we clearly do not see the game the same way. And, to be fair, I get why people aren't townreading Iam but whatever I'm gonna be the hipster. I can also see you not getting the nuances I'm talking about with Chez. I can even perhaps see me either being wrong on Chez's contributions even while trolling. So the only real thing you've given me is being pretty defensive for seemingly no reason when I just asked you a question. TBH I am a fairly aggressive player. I tend to sound angry all the time or sound like an asshole. Its how I've more or less always played / argued. And yes as of the moment those are the reads I can say id commit to based on what I've been provided. Catching up on 16 pages of content after a 12 hour shift sucks. | ||
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Vivax
22412 Posts
if you were to believe I was mafia, as a townie you wouldn't care about my list as you'd have to believe I'm playing against mafia win condition by unnecessarily exposing my teammates for a joke post Or in other words: If you believe I'm mafia, then you believe I actually put my teammates into the list. But I'm not mafia cause that's against mafia wincon. There's so much wrong in that post. The more I read it the more it keeps on giving. | ||
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Vivax
22412 Posts
On March 02 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: To also add on to Vivax's point about conversion as a point of context. As Mafia I have more than once bussed my team so that when I died people would ignore all my analysis / reads of who I thought was mafia and pick people I avoided talking about etc... Its led to more wins than it ever should have. Causing chaos / a nice cover for your team is never playing against your win con if you are mafia. Also he said he wanted to lynch Trfel for lying then proceeded to lie himself -_- That was actually part of the joke. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 02 2019 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I see what you're saying Vivax but i think you are blowing it out of proportion. Conversion is very very likely to be town. Because...? | ||
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Vivax
22412 Posts
On March 02 2019 21:11 rsoultin wrote: Okay, you can be in my non-lynch pile. This feels like a vivaxy thing to focus on though I can't say I read his post the same way you do. I'd actually call his post a potential strawman argument. "Why did you pick those names?" "Why do you care why I picked those names? It's a joke." I agree with MP that names come from somewhere, joke or not -shrugs- That's what I'd rather expect from a townie making a joke. And not try to use your joke post in an argumentation for you not being mafia. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Because he sounds town the same way he sounded town in Secret Hitler game, especially in his argument with happykrogan. | ||
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