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kitaman27
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On November 09 2018 02:29 happykrogan wrote:@kita do you think it is more likely, that we have a hitler Conversion or a scum prplhz If Converison is hitler, why do you think this isn't true anymore? Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it? I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was. I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours Why did you vote no? Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler.
At the time I thought it was too crazy for a Hitler to be pushing, but at the moment I think it's the scenario that makes the most sense regardless.
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My impression that Conversion/Kita could be a thing came from reading through the game around page 29. The way Conversion was responding to Happykrogan seemed different than his responses to Kitaman. Conversion/HK is never both scum even discounting the votes so far from that exchange, and I think HK looked really townie in it. One danger when judging Conversion is that he is really really good at making snappy/angry replies as scum, and he fooled me before in the game HK mentioned.
But now starting from the top of the filters:
This call out from Kita is actually quite good. Conversion voted no on HK/Rayn because he wanted to play it safe and not just choose the first team, but his response to Kita's question about Prplhz seems pretty suspicious to me.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 02 2018 22:32 Conversion wrote:
I'm chill with passing this government
I'm assuming I want to pass krogan or rayn into chancellorship-- is it going to pass though? On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:
What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?
If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?
On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:
What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?
If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?
Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote:
In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on.
Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government. I'm not actually going to just be anti-liberal for the sake of it. I think enacting governments is a good way to get information, especially if we are up one right now and have a guaranteed +1 liberal policy barring any unlucky draws, or if one or both of krogan/rayn played us and passed a liberal card, in which case we won't be incredibly behind and it'll give us a look into getting more information as liberals. In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went.
On November 02 2018 23:49 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote:On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:
What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?
If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?
On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote:
In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on.
Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government. I'm not actually going to just be anti-liberal for the sake of it. I think enacting governments is a good way to get information, especially if we are up one right now and have a guaranteed +1 liberal policy barring any unlucky draws, or if one or both of krogan/rayn played us and passed a liberal card, in which case we won't be incredibly behind and it'll give us a look into getting more information as liberals. In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went. Fair enough. Do you have any opinion of prpl specifically?
On November 02 2018 23:53 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 23:49 kitaman27 wrote:On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote:On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:
What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?
If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?
On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote:
In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on.
Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government. I'm not actually going to just be anti-liberal for the sake of it. I think enacting governments is a good way to get information, especially if we are up one right now and have a guaranteed +1 liberal policy barring any unlucky draws, or if one or both of krogan/rayn played us and passed a liberal card, in which case we won't be incredibly behind and it'll give us a look into getting more information as liberals. In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went. Fair enough. Do you have any opinion of prpl specifically? Let me take a look into his filter. I recall him being pretty neutral (and I historically can never read the dude correctly..)
On November 03 2018 00:06 Conversion wrote:oof.. I really don't like the second part of his filter. His first part was just a lot of defending himself. IDK if that makes him a facist though? Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 02:46 prplhz wrote:On November 01 2018 02:41 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 02:35 prplhz wrote:On November 01 2018 02:02 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 00:46 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2018 10:33 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 10:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2018 10:12 prplhz wrote:
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Because maybe you could have answered something else that would have been more immediately useful to me. I don't know in advance what your answer may be. What would you think if he said he agrees with Rels' idea? Super weird to encourage people to reject their own government. Is that more immediately useful? If not, what other possible answers are there? I had expected him to be more aggressive towards the people who reject his government. So me not fullfilling your expectations doesn't help you to draw conclusions. How would me fullfilling your expectations help you to draw conclusions, if me doing the opposite thing doesn't? You didn't do the opposite, you did like a middle of the road thing that didn't push me in either direction. I guess I believe you... But please do more stuff other than still talking about the kitaman thing, which most of your posts are about. It's that I don't have unlimited time and people were super mad. I'm thinking about some other things too, but I'm not ready to post. what other things were you thinking about prplhz? confused as to why you didn't just post what your thoughts were and instead went straight back into one liners for a bit after
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Fuck I really want to pass Rels over Kita but I cannot trust that Rels will get passed..
Yes - Me/Grack/Rels/Rayn
No - Kita
No idea - Happykrogan/prplhz/byj
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never mind, we have a pretty great shot at voting Rels I think provided no one fucks off from the plan, as rayn says
On November 09 2018 00:17 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 00:12 kitaman27 wrote:
Does this accurately reflect everyone's opinion so far? You really should justify why you prefer one candidate over the other because we can use that information later on. I'm talking about prpl, byj, krogan and conversion specifically.
kitaman27 - Yes
raynpelikoneet - Yes to one or the other
byj - Yes, but could change
prplhz - Learning Yes
happykrogan - Yes to both pairs (?)
Grackaroni - ?
Conversion - Leaning No?
Rels - No I will decide on who I prefer before deadline. If I end up prefering you and you don't get voted, I will 100% vote Rels anyway. If I end up prefering Rels and you get voted I will 100% not vote Rels, so we can follow the plan.
Yes - Me/Rels/Rayn/Krogan
Sort of yes - Grack (said it might change),
No - Kita
Unknown swing voters - byj prplhz
I am voting no to this
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@Rels why did you vote no on D1 government? your filter suggests you wanted Grack/HK as chancellor, and that you pretty much conf-town read rayn for a long time, yet your D1 vote shows you going against it
I'm confused as to why you voted no?
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On November 04 2018 04:50 prplhz wrote:
I meant who came after conversion because I don't think I want his team to go through.
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[No comment on anything aside from me being scum, and it was also clear that I was going to be voting for this team.]
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1. happykrogan - Ja!
2. Grackaroni - Ja!
3. Conversion - Ja!
4. kitaman27 - Nein!
5. Rels - has been warned for not voting
6. raynpelikoneet - Ja!
7. byj - Nein!
8. prplhz - Ja!
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Sorry for the confusion we're on EST now
Deadline is now 23:00 GMT (+00:00) - in
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also hot take and unrelated I have no idea why people are pushing this "Conversion is very angry as mafia/scum" thing..
that was probably my 2nd most level-headed game, next to Vendee
@Grack you even called me relaxed in that game, which is why you townread me
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On November 09 2018 04:42 Conversion wrote:
also hot take and unrelated I have no idea why people are pushing this "Conversion is very angry as mafia/scum" thing..
that was probably my 2nd most level-headed game, next to Vendee
@Grack you even called me relaxed in that game, which is why you townread me
The relaxed was for the first part of the game before you came under pressure. I looked back at the game just now and the anger doesn't look as real as your posts this game but you definitely aren't bad at faking frustration.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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I didn't want to say it, but I think it has become pretty clear that you're all racist against our benevolent overlord. It's really not your fault though. The nasty prejudice has passed down from generation to generation and has become so ingrained into the fabric of our society that you find yourself unable to overcome it. I have a dream that my children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their bucket shaped head, but by the content of their character.
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I read Rels again - I still don't know why he initially scumread kita, but he probably just forgot to write it.
His anger seemed genuine, but it was about something I think he would get mad about with both alignments.
The first thing he wrote about me was this:
On November 07 2018 12:42 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 05:07 happykrogan wrote:On October 25 2018 04:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The game consists of 8 players in total:
1 player is Hitler.
There are 2 other fascists who know Hitler. Hitler does not know who the fascists are.
There is no QT for any of the fascists. All communication is in-thread.
Hitler does not not know. Not the fascist don't know. So they probably know each other... At least I thought so the whole game. Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 05:19 happykrogan wrote:On November 04 2018 05:11 byj wrote:On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't Oh you're right There are 2 other fascists who know Hitler. Hitler does not know who the fascists are. So I guess they'll have to find out with communication onto the same person, should be no other way to differentiate between hitler and fascist otherwise Here to reinforce the idea fascist don't know other, because you're fascist and it's wrong? Why else would that be the only thing you say right now?I mean you could use the time to tell us why you voted but didn't talk. The bolded is ridiculous. First, what possible gain would scum would have to lie about something so easily disproved ? Second, there is a disconnect between your two posts. In the first, you say to have assumed that fascists know each other, but you're not 100% sure. In the second post, you're so sure that fascists know each other, so you accuse someone else of lying about it. That makes no sense.
which I understand why he thought it was scummy - even if he is not correct about it - from the way I worded it I understand why he thought I was 100% convinced.
Then he follows it up with bad "treating two players different for the same thing" reads and a day 2 scenario that sounds logical.
Also he seemed excited about solving the game and ownhandedly forcing the whole scum team to show face, the first time he really played this game, so that seems towny.
Also I'm not sure if a scum player would want to limit himself to a complete teamread, when they have a lot of votes left to win to get a chance of winning the game.
So I'm fine with voting Rels instead of Kita
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On November 09 2018 06:02 kitaman27 wrote:I didn't want to say it, but I think it has become pretty clear that you're all racist against our benevolent overlord. It's really not your fault though. The nasty prejudice has passed down from generation to generation and has become so ingrained into the fabric of our society that you find yourself unable to overcome it. I have a dream that my children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their bucket shaped head, but by the content of their character.
I too wish for a day when we shall no longer be judged by the buckets/pants on our heads.
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On November 09 2018 06:02 kitaman27 wrote:I didn't want to say it, but I think it has become pretty clear that you're all racist against our benevolent overlord. It's really not your fault though. The nasty prejudice has passed down from generation to generation and has become so ingrained into the fabric of our society that you find yourself unable to overcome it. I have a dream that my children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their bucket shaped head, but by the content of their character.
I am almost tempted to think there is a baby seal behind this bucket head.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 09 2018 06:08 prplhz wrote:
Is kita claiming scum?
Naw lol.
Just annoyed that Rels is going to make find a way to sabotage, it's going to be really obvious in hindsight, and we're going to have to sit through another 48 hours of this stuff.
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
I read Rels again - I still don't know why he initially scumread kita, but he probably just forgot to write it.
If he thinks I'm mafia, but doesn't bother to explain why, doesn't that earn him scum points, not town?
On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
Also I'm not sure if a scum player would want to limit himself to a complete teamread, when they have a lot of votes left to win to get a chance of winning the game.
So I'm fine with voting Rels instead of Kita
Why are you applying this logic to Rels, but not me? I've been even more open attacking players whose votes I'd need if I were mafia.
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On November 09 2018 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
I read Rels again - I still don't know why he initially scumread kita, but he probably just forgot to write it.
If he thinks I'm mafia, but doesn't bother to explain why, doesn't that earn him scum points, not town?
Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
Also I'm not sure if a scum player would want to limit himself to a complete teamread, when they have a lot of votes left to win to get a chance of winning the game.
So I'm fine with voting Rels instead of Kita Why are you applying this logic to Rels, but not me? I've been even more open attacking players whose votes I'd need if I were mafia.
He thinks he has explained.
He said that he thinks he has some posts in his filter so he probably forgot - I would prefer to wait until he answers but I don't think he is back until deadline.
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kitaman27
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On November 09 2018 06:39 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
I read Rels again - I still don't know why he initially scumread kita, but he probably just forgot to write it.
If he thinks I'm mafia, but doesn't bother to explain why, doesn't that earn him scum points, not town?
On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
Also I'm not sure if a scum player would want to limit himself to a complete teamread, when they have a lot of votes left to win to get a chance of winning the game.
So I'm fine with voting Rels instead of Kita Why are you applying this logic to Rels, but not me? I've been even more open attacking players whose votes I'd need if I were mafia. He thinks he has explained. He said that he thinks he has some posts in his filter so he probably forgot - I would prefer to wait until he answers but I don't think he is back until deadline.
But isn't it relevant that he never bothers to push the argument until the moment it's a Rels vs kita scenario on day four?
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On November 09 2018 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
I read Rels again - I still don't know why he initially scumread kita, but he probably just forgot to write it. If he thinks I'm mafia, but doesn't bother to explain why, doesn't that earn him scum points, not town? Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
Also I'm not sure if a scum player would want to limit himself to a complete teamread, when they have a lot of votes left to win to get a chance of winning the game.
So I'm fine with voting Rels instead of Kita Why are you applying this logic to Rels, but not me? I've been even more open attacking players whose votes I'd need if I were mafia.
My point was that he has a whole team he is really convinced in and I don't think it is that easy to back out from it. Also I got the Idea as I read Rels and didn't thought about it as I read you. I will read the last posts from you considering this now.
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