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On November 02 2018 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 23:47 Grackaroni wrote:On November 02 2018 23:47 Conversion wrote:
also to @Grack I felt like HK was more focused on calling me scum (not sure who he thinks my partner is in that case) than byj/rels, no? He says me/prp are above you/byj/Rels. interesting. Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 20:00 happykrogan wrote:
I'm going to vote yes.
I am not entirely confident in the team, but if I would only vote teams of two players I townread I would almost never vote yes.
And Grack and prplhz are at least less scummy then Rels/Conversion/byj
And whatever happens, we always get information out of it, so I generally prefer voting yes anyway. @HK Can I get some clarification on what team would make sense, since you are so steadfast in believing that I am scum through my lying nature? Would it be me-byj, or me-rels?
My problem is that you appaer really scummy to me, but rayn who played way more than me (and is most likely town as he enacted a liberal policy where could have enacted a fascist one) and Grack (who I have nothing against except your joke/communication which was probably nothing) read you as town.
So I am really torn right now.
Also you look better now. I planned looking into you again when I have to(when you're the presidential candidate).
That lying will bother me the whole game though...
As for your question: Neither of them is more probable than the other, as you don't really mention each other.
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I also don't think prplhz is that much less scummy than the other three. The problem I have to vote for people who I think are a little bit scummy or I will have to almost constantly vote no.
And at least we will get informationout of it.
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On November 03 2018 00:13 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 23:51 Conversion wrote:On November 02 2018 23:47 Grackaroni wrote:On November 02 2018 23:47 Conversion wrote:
also to @Grack I felt like HK was more focused on calling me scum (not sure who he thinks my partner is in that case) than byj/rels, no? He says me/prp are above you/byj/Rels. interesting. On November 02 2018 20:00 happykrogan wrote:
I'm going to vote yes.
I am not entirely confident in the team, but if I would only vote teams of two players I townread I would almost never vote yes.
And Grack and prplhz are at least less scummy then Rels/Conversion/byj
And whatever happens, we always get information out of it, so I generally prefer voting yes anyway. @HK Can I get some clarification on what team would make sense, since you are so steadfast in believing that I am scum through my lying nature? Would it be me-byj, or me-rels? My problem is that you appaer really scummy to me, but rayn who played way more than me (and is most likely town as he enacted a liberal policy where could have enacted a fascist one) and Grack (who I have nothing against except your joke/communication which was probably nothing) read you as town. So I am really torn right now. Also you look better now. I planned looking into you again when I have to(when you're the presidential candidate). That lying will bother me the whole game though... As for your question: Neither of them is more probable than the other, as you don't really mention each other.
I have a pretty big problem with this-- you seem to have (or had) a rather strong read in me being a facist, and you threw out two other names (byj, Rels). if you can't see a logical connection just because we don't mention each other, are you saying the entire team lies in byj/conversion/rels? If you're not willing to make a deeper read, or connect the dots, why are the three names in there? Are you just objectively evaluating persons individually without a thought to the larger team at hand (this is ok, I'm just trying to understand how those names got there)
or do you see a world in which I am not facist-- in which case, which of the two remaining (Byj, rels) is more facist to you, and what do you think the team will be? as @Grack mentioned, just having your entire pool in AFKers/barely playing people isn't great
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On November 02 2018 23:35 Grackaroni wrote:After lots of paranoia I'm actually going to vote NO on this team. I don't trust the way Rayn/HK are both pushing the idea that the scum team is just the two lurkers byj/rels, even though neither of them have done anything specifically scummy, and I think that probably one of Rayn/HK will be scum. I'm uneasy about the fact that it doesn't seem like I can pass the team that I actually think is town in Me/conversion, but this team is already set to pass between Rayn/HK/prplhz/Conversion voting yes. Also, despite actually posting, Prplhz isn't showing any sign of thinking about people's alignments and I don't like that rather than trying to evaluate my alignment he posts this nonsense: Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
No wait a second.
Assuming that krogan told the truth about the cards, what are the odds of grack getting 1 or less liberal policies? Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 10:00 prplhz wrote:
I think it's acceptable if we already discarded 1L and 2F. I feel pretty uneasy about this atm so instead I'm going to try to push through Conversion's team. And I actually feel a bit better about Kitaman for the post questioning why byj is scummy, so I'm ok with trying Kitaman's team as a fallback.
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On November 03 2018 00:18 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 23:35 Grackaroni wrote:After lots of paranoia I'm actually going to vote NO on this team. I don't trust the way Rayn/HK are both pushing the idea that the scum team is just the two lurkers byj/rels, even though neither of them have done anything specifically scummy, and I think that probably one of Rayn/HK will be scum. I'm uneasy about the fact that it doesn't seem like I can pass the team that I actually think is town in Me/conversion, but this team is already set to pass between Rayn/HK/prplhz/Conversion voting yes. Also, despite actually posting, Prplhz isn't showing any sign of thinking about people's alignments and I don't like that rather than trying to evaluate my alignment he posts this nonsense: On November 02 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
No wait a second.
Assuming that krogan told the truth about the cards, what are the odds of grack getting 1 or less liberal policies? On November 02 2018 10:00 prplhz wrote:
I think it's acceptable if we already discarded 1L and 2F. I feel pretty uneasy about this atm so instead I'm going to try to push through Conversion's team. And I actually feel a bit better about Kitaman for the post questioning why byj is scummy, so I'm ok with trying Kitaman's team as a fallback.
I wanted to say that this post is really towny. Gracks on town list again.
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Phoneposting.
If krogan and rayn told the truth we have 5L9F in the deck.
P(0L3F) = 23
P(1L2F) = 49
P(2L1F) = 24
P(3L0F) = 2
I don't have much confidence in the (which was part of why I voted yes to Logan/rayn) but I super want to get elected.
Grack is voting against his own government, I don't get it. He chose it. If town, he has 26 chance to force liberal policy and 49 to force either liberal policy or split between me and him. That split will give a lot of info to town because I think that we both are sort of grey in town opinion.
Not wanting to elect yourself is just avoiding reasonability, "don't look at me, I didn't do anything!". I don't like it at all. I still think you should elect me though because scum Grack can't really do much without giving up a lot. I think it's super worth it.
Sorry for shitty phoneposting. #VotePRPLHZ2018.
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On November 03 2018 00:17 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:13 happykrogan wrote:On November 02 2018 23:51 Conversion wrote:On November 02 2018 23:47 Grackaroni wrote:On November 02 2018 23:47 Conversion wrote:
also to @Grack I felt like HK was more focused on calling me scum (not sure who he thinks my partner is in that case) than byj/rels, no? He says me/prp are above you/byj/Rels. interesting. On November 02 2018 20:00 happykrogan wrote:
I'm going to vote yes.
I am not entirely confident in the team, but if I would only vote teams of two players I townread I would almost never vote yes.
And Grack and prplhz are at least less scummy then Rels/Conversion/byj
And whatever happens, we always get information out of it, so I generally prefer voting yes anyway. @HK Can I get some clarification on what team would make sense, since you are so steadfast in believing that I am scum through my lying nature? Would it be me-byj, or me-rels? My problem is that you appaer really scummy to me, but rayn who played way more than me (and is most likely town as he enacted a liberal policy where could have enacted a fascist one) and Grack (who I have nothing against except your joke/communication which was probably nothing) read you as town. So I am really torn right now. Also you look better now. I planned looking into you again when I have to(when you're the presidential candidate). That lying will bother me the whole game though... As for your question: Neither of them is more probable than the other, as you don't really mention each other. I have a pretty big problem with this-- you seem to have (or had) a rather strong read in me being a facist, and you threw out two other names (byj, Rels). if you can't see a logical connection just because we don't mention each other, are you saying the entire team lies in byj/conversion/rels? If you're not willing to make a deeper read, or connect the dots, why are the three names in there? Are you just objectively evaluating persons individually without a thought to the larger team at hand (this is ok, I'm just trying to understand how those names got there) or do you see a world in which I am not facist-- in which case, which of the two remaining (Byj, rels) is more facist to you, and what do you think the team will be? as @Grack mentioned, just having your entire pool in AFKers/barely playing people isn't great
yes. I didn't really tried to find a team connection yet. I just listed scummy individuals. And not mentioning each other doesn't mean you are not im a team.
I will read through some filters later until I can give you an answer to the other question that will satisfy myself.
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2018 00:16 happykrogan wrote:
I also don't think prplhz is that much less scummy than the other three. The problem I have to vote for people who I think are a little bit scummy or I will have to almost constantly vote no.
And at least we will get informationout of it.
Could you give me the spark notes version of who you view as facist and more importantly, why? If you're feeling better about conversion and would pass a grack/prpl team, I'm struggling to get an idea of who you think the bad guys are.
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I think it's scummy that Conversion was cool with passing grack and prpl through, yet when I asked him to justify a prpl read, he admits he hasn't really looked at him.
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2018 00:20 prplhz wrote:
Grack is voting against his own government, I don't get it. He chose it.
Do you think that's alignment indicative at all? If anything, it makes me feel slightly better about grack, since as facist he would probably be fine with the status quo.
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On November 03 2018 00:26 kitaman27 wrote:
I think it's scummy that Conversion was cool with passing grack and prpl through, yet when I asked him to justify a prpl read, he admits he hasn't really looked at him.
Do you disagree with my reasoning that I want information, which is the primary reason I want to enact this government?
Does that make prplhz scummy as well?
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On November 03 2018 00:27 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:20 prplhz wrote:
Grack is voting against his own government, I don't get it. He chose it. Do you think that's alignment indicative at all? If anything, it makes me feel slightly better about grack, since as facist he would probably be fine with the status quo.
I don't understand. How is downvoting a government not preserving status quo?
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2018 00:36 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:27 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2018 00:20 prplhz wrote:
Grack is voting against his own government, I don't get it. He chose it. Do you think that's alignment indicative at all? If anything, it makes me feel slightly better about grack, since as facist he would probably be fine with the status quo. I don't understand. How is downvoting a government not preserving status quo?
Because he's passing up an opportunity at president, which I would think he would want as a facist.
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On November 03 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:26 kitaman27 wrote:
I think it's scummy that Conversion was cool with passing grack and prpl through, yet when I asked him to justify a prpl read, he admits he hasn't really looked at him. Do you disagree with my reasoning that I want information, which is the primary reason I want to enact this government?
I disagree because literally any two players will give us information, considering only krogan and rayn have been elected and they can't be chosen. Doesn't it make more sense to get information AND vote for two players that have the best chance of passing a liberal policy?
Now that you've read through prpl, does that change your mind about the vote?
On November 03 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote:
Does that make prplhz scummy as well?
I think you made a solid point about prpl being "not ready to post.", which doesn't really make sense if you have something important to say unless you're laying a trap, which doesn't seem like prpl's style. I'm still pretty conflicted about whether I'm going to vote yes or no on this one.
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On November 02 2018 23:35 Grackaroni wrote:After lots of paranoia I'm actually going to vote NO on this team. I don't trust the way Rayn/HK are both pushing the idea that the scum team is just the two lurkers byj/rels, even though neither of them have done anything specifically scummy, and I think that probably one of Rayn/HK will be scum. I'm uneasy about the fact that it doesn't seem like I can pass the team that I actually think is town in Me/conversion, but this team is already set to pass between Rayn/HK/prplhz/Conversion voting yes. Also, despite actually posting, Prplhz isn't showing any sign of thinking about people's alignments and I don't like that rather than trying to evaluate my alignment he posts this nonsense: Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
No wait a second.
Assuming that krogan told the truth about the cards, what are the odds of grack getting 1 or less liberal policies? Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 10:00 prplhz wrote:
I think it's acceptable if we already discarded 1L and 2F. I feel pretty uneasy about this atm so instead I'm going to try to push through Conversion's team. And I actually feel a bit better about Kitaman for the post questioning why byj is scummy, so I'm ok with trying Kitaman's team as a fallback.
I dont think its a good idea because even if one of us is scum you either out prplhz or he enacts liberal, or president gets FFF in which case you always wanna bd presiddnt yourself (if youre town).
I also think your argument on byj/rels is just dumb because based on meta apparently there is no information on byj, and for both of them -- people who do scummy things are usually scum.
Conversion will pick you most likely so for that part i dont care if you downvote the team. I just dont think Conversion's team is gonna be accepted. And if we have scum president to lead government its harder to figure out who is lying.
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On November 03 2018 00:25 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:16 happykrogan wrote:
I also don't think prplhz is that much less scummy than the other three. The problem I have to vote for people who I think are a little bit scummy or I will have to almost constantly vote no.
And at least we will get informationout of it. Could you give me the spark notes version of who you view as facist and more importantly, why? If you're feeling better about conversion and would pass a grack/prpl team, I'm struggling to get an idea of who you think the bad guys are.
As I am conflicted about Conversion I don't really have someone I am convinced is a fascist right now. I have a few people I think are scummy and I would prefer not to vote.
Conversion: Lying but I reconsider him when he is presidential candidate
Rels: What Rayn said + being inactive but writing some easy to make oneliners when he is in thread
Examples:
On October 30 2018 22:15 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote:
Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read? As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ?
On October 31 2018 06:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 06:02 happykrogan wrote:
I decided to go with rayn. His concern seems like a plausible threat and I don't think scum would reveal that to the thread. I don't know if you've ever played with rayn, but that is not something I would townread him for.
On October 31 2018 06:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now What do you mean? Can you elaborate more? Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler. If I rzmember correctly. Not at home so if you don't find it I'll find it later
I think Inactivity + a few generic posts is a lot more scummier than just not writing anything
byj: less scummy than rels. posted nothing mentionworth except this:
On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it? I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was. I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours Why did you vote no? Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler. Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is?
after I asked him to contribute more. The only read he has and it's an easy to make a read about one post.
Generally my gameplan is not really to find scum, but town so I can vote them.
But then I realized if I only vote my top townreads I almost always will vote no, so I will at least vote now for information.
So I voted yes here even if haze is slightly scummy (because Conversion after him is more scummy - at least at the time I made the vote)
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On November 03 2018 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 23:35 Grackaroni wrote:After lots of paranoia I'm actually going to vote NO on this team. I don't trust the way Rayn/HK are both pushing the idea that the scum team is just the two lurkers byj/rels, even though neither of them have done anything specifically scummy, and I think that probably one of Rayn/HK will be scum. I'm uneasy about the fact that it doesn't seem like I can pass the team that I actually think is town in Me/conversion, but this team is already set to pass between Rayn/HK/prplhz/Conversion voting yes. Also, despite actually posting, Prplhz isn't showing any sign of thinking about people's alignments and I don't like that rather than trying to evaluate my alignment he posts this nonsense: On November 02 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
No wait a second.
Assuming that krogan told the truth about the cards, what are the odds of grack getting 1 or less liberal policies? On November 02 2018 10:00 prplhz wrote:
I think it's acceptable if we already discarded 1L and 2F. I feel pretty uneasy about this atm so instead I'm going to try to push through Conversion's team. And I actually feel a bit better about Kitaman for the post questioning why byj is scummy, so I'm ok with trying Kitaman's team as a fallback. I dont think its a good idea because even if one of us is scum you either out prplhz or he enacts liberal, or president gets FFF in which case you always wanna bd presiddnt yourself (if youre town). I also think your argument on byj/rels is just dumb because based on meta apparently there is no information on byj, and for both of them -- people who do scummy things are usually scum. Conversion will pick you most likely so for that part i dont care if you downvote the team. I just dont think Conversion's team is gonna be accepted. And if we have scum president to lead government its harder to figure out who is lying.
I don’t think Rels/Byj are scummy but excused by meta. I think they’re both just low content rather than scummy.
I’d feel more confident being paired with either Kita or Conversion, but it would be pretty bad if the team passes to Kita and he chooses Byj/prplhz.
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On November 03 2018 00:41 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote:On November 03 2018 00:26 kitaman27 wrote:
I think it's scummy that Conversion was cool with passing grack and prpl through, yet when I asked him to justify a prpl read, he admits he hasn't really looked at him. Do you disagree with my reasoning that I want information, which is the primary reason I want to enact this government? I disagree because literally any two players will give us information, considering only krogan and rayn have been elected and they can't be chosen. Doesn't it make more sense to get information AND vote for two players that have the best chance of passing a liberal policy? Now that you've read through prpl, does that change your mind about the vote? Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote:
Does that make prplhz scummy as well? I think you made a solid point about prpl being "not ready to post.", which doesn't really make sense if you have something important to say unless you're laying a trap, which doesn't seem like prpl's style. I'm still pretty conflicted about whether I'm going to vote yes or no on this one.
Theoretically speaking, if we don't pass this government (which I think has a higher likelihood of having minimum 1 liberal 1 facist), we get to me. I have a pretty uphill battle to climb to get my government passed-- if I pass Grack/prplhz which I feel somewhat okay about even if we pass a facist policy, I now can enact a government with rayn/HK on it to try and get another liberal policy through.
If this government gets passed though, I think I still cannot enact rayn/HK (unless I'm misunderstanding the rules), which leads me to try and make a team with Grack or you, which I'm not sure people will pass.
In the worst case scenario, we pass two governments and then, with almost no new information, have to decide on a randomized policy, or auto-passing the government, which I think is not a great spot for liberals to be in.
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On November 03 2018 02:41 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:41 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote:On November 03 2018 00:26 kitaman27 wrote:
I think it's scummy that Conversion was cool with passing grack and prpl through, yet when I asked him to justify a prpl read, he admits he hasn't really looked at him. Do you disagree with my reasoning that I want information, which is the primary reason I want to enact this government? I disagree because literally any two players will give us information, considering only krogan and rayn have been elected and they can't be chosen. Doesn't it make more sense to get information AND vote for two players that have the best chance of passing a liberal policy? Now that you've read through prpl, does that change your mind about the vote? On November 03 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote:
Does that make prplhz scummy as well? I think you made a solid point about prpl being "not ready to post.", which doesn't really make sense if you have something important to say unless you're laying a trap, which doesn't seem like prpl's style. I'm still pretty conflicted about whether I'm going to vote yes or no on this one. Theoretically speaking, if we don't pass this government (which I think has a higher likelihood of having minimum 1 liberal 1 facist), we get to me. I have a pretty uphill battle to climb to get my government passed-- if I pass Grack/prplhz which I feel somewhat okay about even if we pass a facist policy, I now can enact a government with rayn/HK on it to try and get another liberal policy through. If this government gets passed though, I think I still cannot enact rayn/HK (unless I'm misunderstanding the rules), which leads me to try and make a team with Grack or you, which I'm not sure people will pass. In the worst case scenario, we pass two governments and then, with almost no new information, have to decide on a randomized policy, or auto-passing the government, which I think is not a great spot for liberals to be in.
clarifying this part here: pass a facist policy due to bad draw (f/f/f), or Grack is facist (draws l/f/f, discards l).
worst case scenario both of them are facist/one of them is hitler
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