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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 02 2018 14:08 GMT
#341
That was directed at conversion.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2018 14:13 GMT
#342
I aisi have absolutely zero idea how anyone could ever think byj is even remotely townie, so that read of yours sounds like bs. Unless you have some extremely through meta-analysis.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2018 14:14 GMT
#343
On November 02 2018 23:08 kitaman27 wrote:
That was directed at conversion.

lolol yeah i started reading and was lile wtf. :D :D
table for two on a tv tray
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 02 2018 14:21 GMT
#344
On November 02 2018 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I aisi have absolutely zero idea how anyone could ever think byj is even remotely townie, so that read of yours sounds like bs. Unless you have some extremely through meta-analysis.


I went by his single game in the database:
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/533201-elementary-mafia?user=byj

Dude had a bunch of 1 liners, didn't really care how he looked, and ended up getting mislynched as town. I definitely don't feel good about having him in my top 4, but I think he looks slightly better than prpl at the moment and is more of an afk than having done anything inherently scummy so far.

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 02 2018 14:23 GMT
#345
On November 02 2018 23:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I aisi have absolutely zero idea how anyone could ever think byj is even remotely townie, so that read of yours sounds like bs. Unless you have some extremely through meta-analysis.


I went by his single game in the database:
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/533201-elementary-mafia?user=byj

Dude had a bunch of 1 liners, didn't really care how he looked, and ended up getting mislynched as town. I definitely don't feel good about having him in my top 4, but I think he looks slightly better than prpl at the moment and is more of an afk than having done anything inherently scummy so far.


+1 to this.

kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 02 2018 14:34 GMT
#346
On November 02 2018 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2018 23:37 kitaman27 wrote:
[....]picking Rels or conversion seems like the easiest path to rig the deck as president and then pass blame to your scummy looking choice. It does seem unlikely that grack would want to pair himself with another facist early on in the game however so I probably need to do some adjusting of my bottom three, either by moving grack up or replacing conversion/rels with someone else.

No you dont. You group Rels/Conversion both into the same category and dont come to any conclusion. Thats different from what i said.

You do the same thing in one of your later posts too.


I think the difference is that your argument is that grack with Rels/Conversion cannot make sense in mind, where as mine was that I'd update the list if that scenario where grack pairs himself with one of those players became reality. He threw it out there for a little bit, but settled on prpl eventually, which I don't think is enough to disregard the possibility completely.

Do you think there is a strong enough argument to completely eliminate the possibility of grack + Rels or grack + conversion at the moment? I don't think so.

Overall though, I think my trust ratings are better suited as tiers.
tier 1: krogan/rayn (myself)
tier 2: byj/prl/grack
tier 3: conversion/rels
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 02 2018 14:35 GMT
#347
After lots of paranoia I'm actually going to vote NO on this team.

I don't trust the way Rayn/HK are both pushing the idea that the scum team is just the two lurkers byj/rels, even though neither of them have done anything specifically scummy, and I think that probably one of Rayn/HK will be scum.

I'm uneasy about the fact that it doesn't seem like I can pass the team that I actually think is town in Me/conversion, but this team is already set to pass between Rayn/HK/prplhz/Conversion voting yes.

Also, despite actually posting, Prplhz isn't showing any sign of thinking about people's alignments and I don't like that rather than trying to evaluate my alignment he posts this nonsense:

On November 02 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
No wait a second.

Assuming that krogan told the truth about the cards, what are the odds of grack getting 1 or less liberal policies?

On November 02 2018 10:00 prplhz wrote:
I think it's acceptable if we already discarded 1L and 2F.


I feel pretty uneasy about this atm so instead I'm going to try to push through Conversion's team. And I actually feel a bit better about Kitaman for the post questioning why byj is scummy, so I'm ok with trying Kitaman's team as a fallback.

Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 02 2018 14:38 GMT
#348
On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:
What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?

If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?



On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote:
In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on.

Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government.


I'm not actually going to just be anti-liberal for the sake of it. I think enacting governments is a good way to get information, especially if we are up one right now and have a guaranteed +1 liberal policy barring any unlucky draws, or if one or both of krogan/rayn played us and passed a liberal card, in which case we won't be incredibly behind and it'll give us a look into getting more information as liberals.

In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 02 2018 14:41 GMT
#349
To be clearer regarding prplhz, he takes no stance on my alignment and just says that probabilities should make approving the team worthwhile for him regardless of what I am. (they don't.)
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 02 2018 14:41 GMT
#350
On November 02 2018 23:35 Grackaroni wrote:
After lots of paranoia I'm actually going to vote NO on this team.

I don't trust the way Rayn/HK are both pushing the idea that the scum team is just the two lurkers byj/rels, even though neither of them have done anything specifically scummy, and I think that probably one of Rayn/HK will be scum.

I'm uneasy about the fact that it doesn't seem like I can pass the team that I actually think is town in Me/conversion, but this team is already set to pass between Rayn/HK/prplhz/Conversion voting yes.

Also, despite actually posting, Prplhz isn't showing any sign of thinking about people's alignments and I don't like that rather than trying to evaluate my alignment he posts this nonsense:

Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
No wait a second.

Assuming that krogan told the truth about the cards, what are the odds of grack getting 1 or less liberal policies?

Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 10:00 prplhz wrote:
I think it's acceptable if we already discarded 1L and 2F.


I feel pretty uneasy about this atm so instead I'm going to try to push through Conversion's team. And I actually feel a bit better about Kitaman for the post questioning why byj is scummy, so I'm ok with trying Kitaman's team as a fallback.



Who would you have me vote (besides yourself) for chancellor? keeping in mind people will most not likely push me through anyways..
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 02 2018 14:47 GMT
#351
On November 02 2018 23:41 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 23:35 Grackaroni wrote:
After lots of paranoia I'm actually going to vote NO on this team.

I don't trust the way Rayn/HK are both pushing the idea that the scum team is just the two lurkers byj/rels, even though neither of them have done anything specifically scummy, and I think that probably one of Rayn/HK will be scum.

I'm uneasy about the fact that it doesn't seem like I can pass the team that I actually think is town in Me/conversion, but this team is already set to pass between Rayn/HK/prplhz/Conversion voting yes.

Also, despite actually posting, Prplhz isn't showing any sign of thinking about people's alignments and I don't like that rather than trying to evaluate my alignment he posts this nonsense:

On November 02 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
No wait a second.

Assuming that krogan told the truth about the cards, what are the odds of grack getting 1 or less liberal policies?

On November 02 2018 10:00 prplhz wrote:
I think it's acceptable if we already discarded 1L and 2F.


I feel pretty uneasy about this atm so instead I'm going to try to push through Conversion's team. And I actually feel a bit better about Kitaman for the post questioning why byj is scummy, so I'm ok with trying Kitaman's team as a fallback.



Who would you have me vote (besides yourself) for chancellor? keeping in mind people will most not likely push me through anyways..

I would probably still put Rayn over anyone else, but I think town has gotten itself way too complacent in assuming Rayn/Krogan are both town from the first policy.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 02 2018 14:47 GMT
#352
also to @Grack I felt like HK was more focused on calling me scum (not sure who he thinks my partner is in that case) than byj/rels, no?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 02 2018 14:47 GMT
#353
On November 02 2018 23:47 Conversion wrote:
also to @Grack I felt like HK was more focused on calling me scum (not sure who he thinks my partner is in that case) than byj/rels, no?

He says me/prp are above you/byj/Rels.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 02 2018 14:48 GMT
#354
I certainly don't believe that the mafia team are just the low content posters this game.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 02 2018 14:49 GMT
#355
On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:
What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?

If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?



Show nested quote +
On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote:
In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on.

Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government.


I'm not actually going to just be anti-liberal for the sake of it. I think enacting governments is a good way to get information, especially if we are up one right now and have a guaranteed +1 liberal policy barring any unlucky draws, or if one or both of krogan/rayn played us and passed a liberal card, in which case we won't be incredibly behind and it'll give us a look into getting more information as liberals.

In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went.


Fair enough. Do you have any opinion of prpl specifically?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 02 2018 14:51 GMT
#356
On November 02 2018 23:47 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 23:47 Conversion wrote:
also to @Grack I felt like HK was more focused on calling me scum (not sure who he thinks my partner is in that case) than byj/rels, no?

He says me/prp are above you/byj/Rels.


interesting.

On November 02 2018 20:00 happykrogan wrote:
I'm going to vote yes.

I am not entirely confident in the team, but if I would only vote teams of two players I townread I would almost never vote yes.
And Grack and prplhz are at least less scummy then Rels/Conversion/byj

And whatever happens, we always get information out of it, so I generally prefer voting yes anyway.



@HK Can I get some clarification on what team would make sense, since you are so steadfast in believing that I am scum through my lying nature?

Would it be me-byj, or me-rels?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 02 2018 14:53 GMT
#357
Oh I forgot you actually can't choose Rayn/HK
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 02 2018 14:53 GMT
#358
On November 02 2018 23:49 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote:
On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:
What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?

If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?



On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote:
In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on.

Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government.


I'm not actually going to just be anti-liberal for the sake of it. I think enacting governments is a good way to get information, especially if we are up one right now and have a guaranteed +1 liberal policy barring any unlucky draws, or if one or both of krogan/rayn played us and passed a liberal card, in which case we won't be incredibly behind and it'll give us a look into getting more information as liberals.

In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went.


Fair enough. Do you have any opinion of prpl specifically?


Let me take a look into his filter. I recall him being pretty neutral (and I historically can never read the dude correctly..)
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 02 2018 15:06 GMT
#359
oof.. I really don't like the second part of his filter. His first part was just a lot of defending himself. IDK if that makes him a facist though?

On November 01 2018 02:46 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2018 02:41 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2018 02:35 prplhz wrote:
On November 01 2018 02:02 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2018 00:46 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:33 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:12 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:06 happykrogan wrote:
[quote]
So why ask in the first place if you don't come to conclusions?

Because maybe you could have answered something else that would have been more immediately useful to me. I don't know in advance what your answer may be.

What would you think if he said he agrees with Rels' idea?

Super weird to encourage people to reject their own government.

Is that more immediately useful?
If not, what other possible answers are there?

I had expected him to be more aggressive towards the people who reject his government.

So me not fullfilling your expectations doesn't help you to draw conclusions.
How would me fullfilling your expectations help you to draw conclusions, if me doing the opposite thing doesn't?

You didn't do the opposite, you did like a middle of the road thing that didn't push me in either direction.

I guess I believe you... But please do more stuff other than still talking about the kitaman thing, which most of your posts are about.

It's that I don't have unlimited time and people were super mad.

I'm thinking about some other things too, but I'm not ready to post.


what other things were you thinking about prplhz? confused as to why you didn't just post what your thoughts were and instead went straight back into one liners for a bit after
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 02 2018 15:06 GMT
#360
On November 02 2018 10:00 prplhz wrote:
I think it's acceptable if we already discarded 1L and 2F.



also why is voting you contingent on what cards we drew? or am I missing/messing something up here
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