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(1) I was perhaps a touch OMGUS towards Regfan. I dont think this is the best place for a vote so ##Unvote (2) i don't have a strong opinion on game state. If anything, the activity and content has been really good. - Things like HF read fine to me. - Rayn play so far, is highly reminiscent of the game just finished. If i had to call one player town, it would be Rayn. (3) Things I am uncertain of with low care factor - Conversion: purely a heuristic where after such a long self-ban. I thought he would be itching to do more than just throw some randoms hit around. - Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not. (4) Things I am uncertain of with moderate care factor (Calix + CopCake). - Calix: for the reasons already expressed in the thread. Which will be easy to prove/disprove once active. - CopCake: has some early exchanges that on a second read I took as pocketing. I need to think about this more, but is just giving me some vibes of things that I personally try to do when mafia. (5) I still think Regfan are focused heavily on things that I don't think are important to scum hunting; and definitely are giving a different weighting to things early game than myself. But this doesn't make them mafia. I am struggling with reading the hydra pairing somewhat as I find them DRASTICALLY different. Even if they were mafia, I would rather lynch them as the second or third because of that uncertainty. | ||
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On June 26 2018 18:15 Holyflare wrote: then do it.I actually really hate this bolded part. Like enough to drop everything and vote Mocsta. Maybe. And at least have the courtesy to explain why it is so scum indicative | ||
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Is calix presenting to you as mafia And if not. Is anyone standing out at this point? | ||
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On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote: small thingSup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? But if calix is mafia. Its not with tictock | ||
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On June 26 2018 08:09 Tictock wrote: hfMeh, don't see the point when that is literally everyone but us atm. Actually n/m, pointless voting is pointless. I'll prob find some actual work to do. Reading this agaib.. i can sorta see tixtock writing the strike as a joke. Realising its stupid so writes the next part but decides to strike as he personally thinks ita funny | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:38 Conversion wrote: you have been formally upgraded from low care factor to nil care factirI’m peeved Mocsta acknowledged I was “making hits” and didn’t answer my question. CopCake randomly townreading me (though the screen touching joke was funny) bothers me Calix not answering why she voted HF bothers me Nothing substantial yet. CopCake feels town even though she randoy townread peopl earlier but I’d want to mull on it a bit more Congratulations on entering my playlist | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:42 Regfan wrote: gemmaa) Cake never having made a townread during the first cycle isn't a reason to townread her in this game, that's such a copout way to townread someone and I don't understand how it's real. b) You aren't even explicitly saying that you do townread her or giving reasoning for townreading her, so much as saying there's no reason to scumread her. c) The way you're talking through this whole post as if your reads have already been thoroughly established, but they haven't, and there's a huge gulf of missing process where I have no idea where anything you're saying is coming from. It's like you've jumped into positioning yourself in a certain way that feels really forced. c) You're not talking about Calix as if you even think he's mafia. You're coming at this from sideways still, and it's like you're more interested in making Calix look stupid and bad than really scumreading him or actually analyzing anything he's doing. d) You completely ignored my posts on CopCake, despite apparently townreading her, which again makes me feel like you're not really interested in seriously digging into her alignment or approaching any of this honestly, so much as discrediting Calix's push on her. And Regfan just told me while I was writing this that you're dating CopCake, so that's a thing apparently. Don't think it really changes how I am reading this from you very much. Not everything is as black and white .. or.. procedural as you may prefer. ~15% of the populatuon relies on introverted intuitiin to guide their thoight process... this is an understanding of patterns that the mind does sunciously and is EXTREMELY diffiucly to convey to non Ni users. I am an Ni user and i suspect rayn is as well... Trying to understand the truth beind rayn is in some ways pointless because the thought is derived from so many connections and experiences that form the final conclusion even myself or rayn may not fully comprehend. Instead look for consistency. That will tell you if rayn is following gut instinct or bullshitting. Your way may work for you, but is not the only way to skin a cat. Ohh and another thing. Whether i think cupcake/calix is mafia. I am not going to vote and show my hand.. the more info that is released . The more i can form an educated decision once i sleep on it.. i woukdnt base a read on rayn not talking to calix aggressively. This is a sign of experiencw for both town and mafia | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:02 Regfan wrote: lol this is the post that made me solidfy my read on calix vs cupcakeI guess if Calix has a stronger wolf game then this post isn't something I would townread. I could be reading him on too low of a level. The reason I thought this was town was because I don't really think that's how wolves talk to people scumreading them very often. Like, there's discrediting the person pushing on you when you're mafia, and there's saying "I don't believe your scumread on me is real", and it takes two different breeds of wolves. Mainky because of how calix broke out of character to address rayn The tone is so different.. somewhat fearful compared to with ubk own cupcake I.e. hamming up aggression out of fear | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: shorthand for introverted intuitionMocsta what the hell is Ni? My bad | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure i couldn't be further away from an introvert tbh. Off topic but common misconception Introvert has nothing to do with how you behave in social situations Fact is. We can all be life of the party in the right conditions. Some just reach those conditions easier. I type you as reliant on introverted thinking and intuition. Intro thinking is about logical accuracy. HF is a clear example. Many Ti users fant let go of something factually incorrect even if it doesnt change the outcome. Intro intution is about converging random info into a cinclusion... the problem being you are not always aware of what the inputs are. Ehich leads to challenges expressing why something so simple to the user is so complicated to anyone else. Anyways. Nuff off topic | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:31 Regfan wrote: thats exciting for meSorry I forgot to sign again and got hit with flood control again. I'm bad at this. -G (Fyi I am INFP. I play against type a lot of the time because my intuitive side needs that grounding in process and fundamentals or I just fall off track and lose myself.) Im your complete opposite.. entj We are meant to be mentors for each others weaknesses | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:53 Holyflare wrote: classic town!hfI think your original push on cop wasn't great and was pushed on really mediocre points too hard. I don't like how you kept it up while rayn was disproving it either. It feels like you're grumpy that you shouldn't be pushing copcake anymore rather than pleased it gets rid of a confusing person. You're more concerned with how you look than figuring out. Me likey And on that note. Good night | ||
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On June 26 2018 23:53 Holyflare wrote: fyiIt's weak-ish but enough for me to back off him. Its not redundant to me Im heavily a heuristic is true until proven false player I have no fear to partially out that tell because in my mind at least you cant fabricate ehat im looking for as mafia. Regardless vivax is painful yo read and showing none if his town laser focus Im happy between calix and vivax for a vote Nite 4 realz now | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:12 Tictock wrote: yes. That one game.Not sure this is AI, but this is your recollection of me based on that bastard game where You, me, and DF got our own QT and I convinced myself you were mafia based off the ring nonsense the hosts threw at us? I'm just not sure I've ever seen anyone describe my playstyle like this before. ... Heh, it just now strikes me that we are both referring to this as "not sure if AI", lol. I was confirmed town and you refused to change ya view kn the world It stuck with me lol I will filter dive you on d2 as you arent in my d1 pool | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Quotes] + [B]On June 26 2018 09:50 Regfan wrote: I've played a little over 20 games, although most of them I wouldn't qualify as real games. I'm from Westeros, where we play alted games with usually pretty short deadlines. Regfan has been mentoring me for a while now, and my love for process comes from him. I'm good at some of the things he's terrible at, like having a personality, and he's good at some of the things I'm terrible at (nothing comes to mind right now), so we complement each other pretty well I think. -G I'm going to go out on a limb that Regfan is town because of this interaction (and how important it is to Gemma later in D1 when talking to Rayn). Gemma got so "horny" to share some info about herself - which in her mind is pivotal to town success; that she later interprets the post from Calix to be (positively) conclusive; when merely it is asking for token info that could be discerned as the game progresses. I can't picture a world where mafia would BOTH lap up the opportunity to talk about themselves AND strongly advocate the post as a basis for town+scum reads. Definitely one or the other, but not both. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [quotes] + On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote: Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote: On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read. On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote: It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks. Thus it's not AI. I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. On June 26 2018 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Calix literally didn't take a stance on anything since the conclusion says "not alignment indicative". Which is by the way the opposite you claimed a conclusion towards your post should be in the first place. Secondly, the conclusion sucks even more since the first paragraph of her post includes an indirect assumption that your hydra is town, which again contradicts clearly to the conclusion she has made. There is no reason to believe, in case your post is pre-written, that you do not believe you have a cop check on N0 as a cop so a smart person, instead of making that post would instead of writing a nice looking nice sounding nonsense post ask "why don't you wanna claim your check right now?" If you think people who are being nice are more likely to be town and people who are not nice are not, then you have a very terrible view of what this game is about. Also if what you said here: ..if you actually believe this, then you should probably call yourself mafia for the very first post you made this game. On June 26 2018 10:49 Tictock wrote: I'm not sure I saw anything in Calix's post that made the assumption that Gemma-Reg is town, but I overall agree with rayn here. Calix's switch in stance from "lets rando vote someone for lol's" to "thats not AI, don't vote" seemed sudden to me. Especially when my suggestion to pile votes on Reg had nothing to do with alignment. I feel slightly hypocritical here though, kus I switched my own stance of "I don't wanna vote pointlessly" to off the cuff voting someone just kus they did something I think is stupid. Actually maybe I do see what you mean here Rayn, there is no way Calix should be able to make any assumption about when Reg prepared that post. PM's went out an hour before the game started so there was plenty of time to decide to do something like that after getting a role, and there should be no real way to tell when someone makes that call. Anyways, I'll optimistically call Rayn and Mocsta town here. On June 26 2018 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: If the underlined part is really what Calix believes, there is no reason to assume a mafia fakecliming to be a cop would not believe they don't have a N0 check (since that's how it clearly works where Gemma usually plays, and there are indications of that for anyone whop has ever played anywhere else since it's almost always how it works). So instead of writing the post off as non-alignment indicative any smart person -- again, believing what Calix clearly implies here -- would try to possibly catch a mafia in a lie by asking "so why don't you wanna claim your check now?" Calix has struck me as a player who digs into stuff and small discrepancies even when they possibly don't matter (especially in the game where i was mafia with bugs and oats), and this "ignorance" towards a possibly revealing discussion seems very un-Calix-like. I have highlighted key parts of the quotes in red, as I do believe this is a genuine scum slip/town tell & may have gone over most peoples heads. (1) Calix requests random vote bandwagon (2) Regfan posts a fake post (3) TT requests to vote Regfan (implied to Calix) (4) Calix provides "analysis of Regfan post" by commenting on validity of cop claim (5) Other posters comment on "Regfan post" by simply stating "copypasta" What I find critical about this sequence of events is that: - Calix cop claim assessment doesn't consider a world where Regfan is mafia and fake-posting, instead - Calix auto-assumes a world where Regfan is cop or VT This is important because Calix is changing gears from "random vote" to "analysis before vote" to provide this contribution that is in essence providing town-lean evidence to upgrade from scummy to NULL. This only satisfies mafia agenda. You provide authentic contribution (i.e. town read), make a potential ally in Regfan, and possibly start a wagon on those that scum read Regfan. I think the townier way to go about the fake-post was what others did. Comment that its a copy/paste and move on. In a world where you only have your PM that is green or blue; how do you read into that fake-post any further.... well, you cant. So why does Calix then go out on a limb so early? Why jump to the conclusion that a fake-post is from town land only? Why change gears in the first place? I absolutely understand why town and scum would not want to random vote; but I cannot comprehend why any town would want to feign a care-free attitude to then ditch it immediately. | ||
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On June 27 2018 08:33 Regfan wrote: That could be important as the game progresses. At some stage, someone said CC asking Rayn "am I town/mafia" was a town-tell. Now it is definitively null.I'm including his knowledge that you and CopCake are dating as meta knowledge, I guess. And you've not exactly been a small presence so far.. | ||
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 look at the red & focus on the underline. This is a vote with supporting "case", and the key component has a qualifier inserted in it. This suggests to me a lack of confidence (or self-authenticity) behind the post; yet it is drafted aggressively with confidence. Sometimes, its the devil in the details, and given that Calix had no pressure on her at the time, I see no reason for a townie to feel compelled to release a case with that qualifier. On June 26 2018 16:06 Calix wrote: ##Vote: CopCake Two reasons for this: 1) Asks stupid questions. This is self-explanatory. She hasn't asked anything that would actually advance the game forward. But they are questions you make when you want to LOOK like you're doing things. 2) Makes excuses for way too many players in way too short a time period which she is probably doing because she has TMI and knows that the players are being genuine. | ||
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On June 27 2018 08:44 Regfan wrote: Please comment on my posts on the p22(And by playstyle differences I mean Regfan is better at the game than I am and also has higher standards. I'm completely fine to just post whatever the fuck is on my mind at that moment even if it sucks and I hate it an hour later, Regfan would never post something until it passed all his diagnostics without any error messages, beep boop boop.) -G Thnx | ||
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