[M] Mafia For Busy People

On June 09 2018 08:20 iamperfection wrote:

You know what happens when you disappoint me?

On June 09 2018 16:58 Holyflare wrote:


The most unfunny thing I think I've ever seen you post.

On June 12 2018 00:00 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Koshi, what do you mean by "I think I will vote him [rayn] for hardtrying tis hard. It’sunheathy." ?

I know what the words mean but I want you to rephrase why do you think this makes rayn scummy.

On June 12 2018 09:04 Tubesock wrote:


I could vote you also. NK kinda implicates you as well since Superbia was suspicious but then kinda not. But he was pretty flaky on his read so he could probably be a threat to you as well. Why is iamperfection town to you? Because he is bored and not interested in the game? You don’t think a mafia wouldn’t say that to keep lurking?

Kitaman is on the funny side of town, so as I said earlier I won’t vote him. Although if Kita does flip mafia then I’ll believe you’re
Town so there’s that.

On June 12 2018 21:24 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi 316/417
Real bad

Declares tubesock town based on a post suggesting i am mafia. Then declares me most likely mafia.

On June 13 2018 07:14 Mocsta wrote:
I am seeing the light.
I note that Koshi avoided giving me a read on Kitaman too.

On June 13 2018 07:20 Mocsta wrote:
Take back comment b4.
Didnt see this.

What makes you say he is trying hard?
all i see is surface level content and questions that lead no where...

On June 13 2018 08:19 Mocsta wrote:
The observation that rayns reads lines up with thread sentiment to rayn is actually very good.
But this is why you are scum kita...
Your forte... the associated analysis.. well, its terrible.

See, to me, bar KSC.. rayn has organically shown how those reads were reached in my opinion. This makes your observation a coincidence.
Like, we cant get hamstrung on the KSC/superbia thing because IT WAS EARLY GAME. and unfortunately, KSC has done fuck all since so there is no genuine opportunity to ask Rayn (or others) to re-evaluate.

On June 13 2018 16:50 Holyflare wrote:
Maybe mocsta actually

On June 13 2018 20:18 Mocsta wrote:
HF:
We dont play the same and frankly you call me mafia every game no matter what i do, because of this.
I'm pretty tired of you getting fixated on round pegs that fit round holes, thinking they should be square.
I'm going to keep calling out these posts of yours, so get used to it.

This is where i am at anyways
Holyflare
Rayn
fuba
kitaman27
tubesock
koshi
Rels
KelsierSC
iamperfection
Grackaroni
TheSlenderMan

Holy is intention half green as hes the weakest of my town circle.
Whilst the timing of fuba claim is questionable, I am inclined to outright believe it because of the observation Grack identified prior. That observation solidifies Grack as confirmed town for me as well.

I think HF is focusing on whats in front of him, cos 40% of the game is AFK. But overall I think the game is solved in that list of red and black.

In short this cycle: Kitaman27 >> Koshi >> Anyone else.

On June 12 2018 05:03 Tubesock wrote:
I liked most all of HF stuff.

I think Mocsta was the one berating and misconstruing. I haven’t liked any of Mocsta’s posts.

I’m also not really a fan of Gracks eod performance. But it’s only scummy if Rayn is mafia. I’m leaning more towards Rayn being town.

Everyone is pretty null. Although Kita made me laugh with two of his posts. And I don’t like to kill people who make me laugh.

On June 14 2018 01:25 Holyflare wrote:



?? How do you know if you say you haven't read them?

On June 12 2018 23:54 kitaman27 wrote:


Everyone look back at the way rayn casually throws a town read on grack and tell me it it looks legitimate to you guys.

Here is the entirety of grack's filter at the time of the post.

+ Show Spoiler +

Two throw away posts and then one more.



A scum list of 3 players.

Now he obviously agrees with the Palmar read, but how about the other two?



Well Rels hasn't entered the game yet and Superbia is his strongest town read! So why is grack suddenly town for a list post where he agrees with 1/3 names on the list? Why isn't he questioning grack about the superbia read considering he doesn't see any evidence to support it?

rayn suddenly having an epiphany with a town read on grack just seems so out of place at this point.

Then when I directly confront him about it, he twists it around on me without an explanation as if I'm the one that is looking scummy for finding the inconsistency. He doesn't bother trying to justify the read because he knows he can't and someone picked up on it so he goes full offense.

On June 14 2018 01:34 Holyflare wrote:


If you read them then you should know if they are surface level posts or not. You then proceed to call them good posts.

How can you read them and think they're good but have no idea if they're surface level?

On June 14 2018 06:40 kitaman27 wrote:
iamp and slender are going to show up 2 minutes before the deadline and hammer me.

I can feel it.

On June 14 2018 07:22 Mocsta wrote:
Obviously you already know the answer to this, so I am expecting that apology.. br0

I also note that you are being aggressively rude this game.
something wrong in personal life? or that concerned about your teammate getting lynched?

thats a genuine question btw if it didnt come across that way.

On June 14 2018 07:25 Mocsta wrote:
HF you know what

fuck you.
i want that apology from koshi, and i want to wipe that stupid grin from your face

+ i just got super tied up with EoFY stuff as well

##Unvote
##Vote: Mocsta

On June 14 2018 08:21 Holyflare wrote:


Probably extremely valid.

On June 14 2018 08:41 Holyflare wrote:
And probably koshi for his "reading" and explanation of kita posts.

On June 14 2018 09:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

you are fucking trash if town so go figure you dipshit.

On June 14 2018 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is actually the most relevant question to anyone i have atm.

On June 14 2018 17:08 KelsierSC wrote:
nice job.

Need to know whether or not perfect is town/mafia.
Assuming it was town vs mafia then a fuba/koshi lynch sounds good.

On June 15 2018 07:05 Tubesock wrote:
Koshi, Rels, KelsierSC covers the last two.

It’s still theoretically possible Iamperfection is mafia but I think low chance.

On June 14 2018 01:41 Koshi wrote:
Kita/rayn/HF/Tube
Mocsta, iamp

I will do this for now. If you don't vote in the reds just vote me lol.
Because I won't show more commitment towards this game than I just did.


Also. If you fucks would read filters you would see how many people have issues with Mocsta. It's incredible actually.

On June 14 2018 01:58 Tubesock wrote:
I think rayn, HF, Koshi, and Kita are all town. Fuba too.

I normally dislike nitpickers. Mocsta is definitely nitpicking. But we’re on day 57 or something and only on page 20, so ya kinda have to nitpick. I won’t be voting him today because of that.

HF already said, and I think someone already alluded to what I think about Grack. Grack was worried about his vote appearance and then after he got grief he changed his posting style. I don’t think townGrack cares that much to change up. His reads are typically REALLY good. He just doesn’t seem to be as good at or care about his survival ability or getting his Lynch in games.

I think Iamperfection is the player everyone knows is mafia, but no one wants to kill him cause he’s a lurker and a slow game will be even slower if we decide to lynch him early in the day.

On June 11 2018 08:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Mocsta, you're either so tunneled that you're automatically assuming that each of my actions is scummy or you're purposely pushing me knowing that you have no chance of lynching me so you can continue the same nonsense day two.

You say that the mafia team is kita, plus 1 of Palmar and rayn, but a kita + rayn scumteam makes no sense in any stretch of the imagination. Do you still even view that as a possibility because you never even come close to showing a willingness to vote him?

I'm not twisted your words, you're up in arms about a joke post 9 minutes into the game. Suggesting that I'm mafia for putting too much effort into a joke post is silly. As for the rayn stuff, he had a 24 hour chance to call Palmar mafia but didn't until Palmar threw out a vote and then he went full omgus.

On June 12 2018 07:59 kitaman27 wrote:
I kinda doubt I'm getting shot, but if I do rayn and Mocsta should be the ones you guys focus on tomorrow. I still need to do a reread myself since I've only really skimmed the n1 stuff.

I really have no idea who the third could be. I could honestly come up for a reason for basically every other player why they could be mafia aside from tube and slender and that's only because they haven't posted anything.

They obviously all can't be mafia, but at the same time I'm also starting to get concerned about the assumption that only 1 of them is scum if its rayn + mocsta. Late game is going to be a complete mess at this rate.

-super started out okayish, but has shown no interest in yesterday's lynch.
-fuba has no reads and then shows up with the ninja Palmar vote
-Rels seems like he threw out a post because he needed to say something, but it doesn't seem like he strongly believes anything he has said and just calls a bunch of stuff weird
-koshi threw away his vote when he could have hammered rayn, but I guess he wasn't obligated to post that he was around or preferred rayn over Palmar
-KSC no idea
-iamp is posting nothing but throw away comments that aren't relevant to the game aside from the rayn vote
-HF's most recent post about me being mafia has me a bit concerned because we basically share the same top two scum reads. Doesn't seem very consistent from his viewpoint.
-grack threw away his vote when rayn was the logical choice for him.

Guess we'll see who flips and go from there.

On June 16 2018 04:06 Holyflare wrote:
We lynched mafia (inadvertently nonetheless) but not that enthusiastic really. I think we just lynch iamp for playing like trash and carry on from there. If he's town then we know mafia likely tried to save kita.

On June 13 2018 22:08 KelsierSC wrote:
think perfection is a good vote , him or kitamin are good but kitamin seems to have been posting more stuff.

On June 11 2018 16:28 KelsierSC wrote:
not sure who to vote for.

lynching kitamin sounds good though.

On June 14 2018 10:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Slendy i would like to trust you but i have no idea who your scumreads are rn when your scumreads were pretty much never there. I hope more during night phase, if not, and i am dead i think you are the best lynch come D3.

now i need to sleep, i gotta go to work in 6 hrs. we'll see if i have time in the evening.

On June 17 2018 02:59 Holyflare wrote:


quotes?

On June 14 2018 07:14 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Thanks, guys.

Ah right, I misread kitaman's commentary on rayn during the Palmar--rayn -counterwagons situation. So much for that Scumduo being actually plausible.

The thing that troubled me wrt kitaman still troubles me after the filter. I have a hard time trying to explain it in English, though. It sounds like, until the direct D2-discussion with rayn, he tries to comment on everything in a general way that appears good on the surface but includes as little risk to himself as possible while doing it. As in, lacking the committal tone a Townie usually has while trying to solve the game.

Am curious about the iamp-wagon -- it's based on him not being around today, and kind of dicking around yesterday? Is he REALLY the kind of player who'd lose interest and drop out as Mafia? Very few players actually do that, even then it's usually in unique circumstances like Scumteam-infighting... admittedly, I don't know iamp as a player, but I'd still be surprised if this was an actual, legitimate reason for a wagon?

On June 17 2018 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
I thought the whole purpose of the self votes was that there were no modkills?

On June 17 2018 02:56 Holyflare wrote:


Rels makes this game impossible and it's bull shit. This post is very ridiculous with what happened with the nk and kita actually being mafia though.

On June 15 2018 15:39 KelsierSC wrote:
Koshi is a good lynch but fuba is still good.

I don't really put any substance into claims or fake claims. He voted imperfect and didn't seem to be posting much. I'll just wait to see what happens.

I'll vote Koshi for now

On June 12 2018 08:34 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Gun to my head I'd say rayn's Town but I'm not feeling confident about him yet. I can actually see why Palmar would be legit convinced that rayn's start was a scum one. I also want to mention that the possibility of a kitaman-rayn Scum-duo is something my gut finds plausible.

Alas, been nursing a fairly epic hangover so it's not just rayn I "don't feel confident about" after the first readthrough.

I see a lot of interactions that SEEM like they should help PoE possible Scummiosi. OTOH, I have the recollection that over here players tend to be very aggressive bussers?

Regardless of that, many of the questions I have will have clearer answers to them after a more sober re-read and some real-time D2 discussion.

Some brief random thoughts: the way Rels talked about rayn in the in-and-out-of-the-Thread -post actually makes me suspect he's Town. rayn is the person I'd assume busyTown!Rels to "sheep" like that.
Fuba's tone during N1 makes him the person I'd Vote right now if I wasn't feeling too damn tired to open the official Vote-thread.
Couldn't remember a single post by Superbia as I saw the PC-post so that probably means the Scummiosi are Power Role -hunting.
iamperfection hasn't been posting much but the lack of the luster rings Town to me.
Holyflare I like as Town.
Grackaroni, Mocksta, Koshi and kitaman are players who trouble me moreso than the ones not mentioned.

On June 17 2018 06:12 Rels wrote:
HF / iamp. It makes perfect sense.

On June 14 2018 06:49 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Feeling better about Mocsta after some of the early D2-posts. Tubesock OTOH seemed a bit weird during their discussion.

Feeling better about rayn after his words on HF. Not for the content, I'm not able to judge HF's meta or standing here, but the way they are spoken sounds like Town!rayn.

Is there a reason no one is interested in Lynching fuba?

Haven't read all of D2 but this is stuff I wanted to say rn. End of day is in 70minutes, not 10 minutes, right?

On June 17 2018 06:17 Holyflare wrote:
I agree with your slender/rels thing but not the above. That's kind of just a question.

On June 14 2018 08:11 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Nah I had no need to Vote kita in that situation when he wasn't about to get Lynched yet. As Mafia I wouldn't have even needed to "suspect" him.

On June 14 2018 08:23 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Yes, rayn, I haven't been around. So my posts have been brief and underwhelming. And as Mafia I wouldn't need to come to the conclusion after reading kita's filter that I need to voice suspicion towards him. I'm not talking about the post two days ago, I'm talking about the catching up I just tried to do.

Mafia!iamp makes Mafia!Slendy possible, I suppose. But atleast be a darling and don't do to me what Holyflare did to you at the start of D1, mmkay? Or else I'll continue to use mocking smileys and disparaging phrasing.

On June 14 2018 08:44 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Wrt my N1-post and others, clearly I've been missing and misreading a LOT of things. Like missing the kita/rayn interaction D1 and later missing that fuba had claimed Tracker.

Holyflare COULD be Mafia by the simple virtue of clearly being a very strong player (and by virtue of that very last minute Vote) but I doubt it. If my understanding of the Thread is correct, it feels to me like you, rayn, are letting your emotions affect your HF-stance a bit. You didn't clarify to him about your weekend until just a few moments ago. And, like I said earlier, coming in to the Thread I could completely understand why Palmar (who I haven't played with but have read games from) would find your [rayn's] entrance to the Thread suspicious, even though it wasn't ACTUALLY a legitimate reason for suspicion. I've done the same mistake in earlier games when I didn't realize it was a null-tell.

iamp's end-of-D2 seemed awkward and I think I'll need to reread the whole thing again before saying anything other than "it's possible" [that he's Mafia]. But still would, gun to my head, say that he isn't Mafia.

Tubesock hasn't convinced me but I haven't read his whole filter. His discussion start-of-D2 with Mocksa seemed weird for him. (And seemed very good for Mocksa, who has continued to seem very Town-like since then, for the record.)

Grack has disappeared, both from the pages I've read and from my mind. IIRC he's voiced some suspicions towards kita and also Koshi that make him look better. But I still remember his D1 posts rubbing me the wrong way.

On June 14 2018 07:21 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Holyflare -- D1 you say this: "Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.

plz lynch

##vote raynpelikoneet

team is probably rayn/koshi "

How is your own D1 any better by your own standards, before you start commenting on fuba?

On June 15 2018 08:17 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Was hoping rayn would've had time for a long post before PC. Oh well.

Going to go Vote Tubesock in the Vote-thread now. Here's the case: This is the post I paraphrased earlier thusly: "I've decided to sheep HF this game. I want to make a remark about Grack's EoD1 but I have TMI so I point out that what he did isn't OBJECTIVELY Scummy, so I won't pursue what should be a subjectively interesting possibility [for me] of finding Mafia. I end the post mentioning one of my Scumbuddies in an off-handed joke."

The next moment you elaborate on Grack, you change your mind about what formed the basis of your earlier read?

This post also looks pretty bad. There's the soft-defending of kitaman, for one thing. But there's also the fact that you have "decided" to suspect iamperfection, while Mocsta's the person you've paid more attention to. Not just by your own direct admission, but also because you say you've liked HF's content, and you went out of your separate way to mention Mocsta in your first catch-up and reads -post.

When it comes to your iamperfection-suspicion, you remain passive aggressive. You don't pursue it, you don't ask questions. Instead you just keep pointing out that it's a thing and it should be a thing for the rest of us as well -- but your Vote just kind of ends up remaining there until the very end of the Phase. Even though a LOT happened in the mean time.

And then you weren't around to help save kitaman EoD2. And your posts since the flip have been one-liners.

And the soft-defending of kitaman I mentioned earlier also happened in all of your other comments regarding him.

On June 17 2018 06:35 Rels wrote:
maybe. Can't find why I thought he was town. Do you think it's impossible HF / Slender are scum together based on your post above ? Cause I would always lynch HF over Slend there.

On June 17 2018 07:43 Grackaroni wrote:
How confident are you in Mocsta town?

On June 11 2018 04:45 Koshi wrote:
I also did think for a second fuba was different from last game when I was skimming.

I don't think this makes fuba mafia or town.

But it makes HF townie.

First official Koshi read:
HF

On June 12 2018 19:59 Koshi wrote:
I think from all players i like mocsta the least. Mafia wise I mean ofc

Really does almost nothing

On June 14 2018 01:18 Koshi wrote:
I'll do some effort. I am at a pc since a long time and why the fuck not. And if I am lynched I can shrug and live with the fact the townies on me had information to decide correctly.

1. Holyflare
Town - I said why
4. raynpelikoneet
Can't read his posts because they are boring as fuck.
5. fuba
Blue claim and will believe it. Dumb as fuck claim unless he was going to get lynched and I think he might be so ok for me.
6. kitaman27
Can't be fucking mafia showing this much effort and I actually like to read his posts because they seems smart but I will glance his filter and write another sentence.
I think this guy is town because his reads line up with mine and he has made a lot of small smart reads that people don't bother reading because they are retarded fucks or mafia. Anyway, if he is mafia he is one of the best mafia players out there. Who is mafia and reads and understand the game on this level when not a single townie gives a fuck??? lol.

7. Tubesock
See my earlier townread on him. It was explained.
Then this post:

Let's just lynch Mocsta and if he is mafia we have some confirmed townies and can be happy.


8. Mocsta
Really Mocsta. No offense. I like you. Also you think I am mafia so in the rare case you are town just see this as a mafia annoying you trying to tilt you.

If Mocsta is town, he is (more likely) extremely wrong this game. (kita is not mafia, I am not mafia)
If Mocsta is town, he is boring as fuck to read. Really fucking boring posts imo.
If Mocsta is town, he bickers with people (ex. Tube) and not doing a lot of working together with people to solve the game.
If Mocsta is town, he is super m33k towards HF and rayn and again he is not making posts towards them that look townie. He is not trying to push his will on them, just greasing them or something. It's dirty.

And all in all I don't believe Mocsta scumreads kita but is just mafia defending against with OMGUS.

10. Rels
Should have killed this shitter D1 like I told you. Still looks like horseshit even if iamp is mafia or rayn town or w.e he said in his little post is true. Lynch this fucker.


11. KelsierSC
More trash for the trashcan

12. iamperfection
He is mafia more likely. I would lynch him over Rels and Kelsier. Because the other 2 are more likely to be trash and town than iamp.

13. Grackaroni
Could be mafia taking the backseat adjusting his reads correctly when sentiment shifts. So could be dangerous mafia. But we probably can't lynch him till the trash is taken out. Also haven't reread his filter.


14. TheSlenderMan
Trash for the trashcan.

On June 17 2018 07:47 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Wait what, Tubesock, how did you unvoting just now "help HF to not get Lynched"? The wagon you were on is the only established one that could've formed a counterwagon!

On June 15 2018 03:27 TheSlenderMan wrote:
KelsierSC -- could be Mafia, sure. No real way to know what happened with the progression of reads on kitaman and fuba. But I wouldn't want to Lynch D3. I would assume Mafia to be more aware of what's going on, wrt fuba's claim for instance.

fuba -- his filter checks out, I'm buying the claim. The weirdness of the tone I noticed earlier (and which troubled me start-of-D2) is also perfectly well explained by a Power-role eager to get to do something behind the scenes.

D1 final Vote Tally -- the only outlier Votes from the two main wagons (Palmar and rayn) were me and Tubesock (afk) and Koshi. Nothing real to be gained from this information, as the two main wagons were 99% likely to just give Mafia free hands to Vote however the hell they want.

Holyflare -- has called people out on the right stuff. Been able to follow his posts from a game-solving perspective. Don't feel like there's real evidence to suggest tinfoiling -- as Mafia the last minute consideration and re-consideration of the D2-Vote was simply unnecessary. In a situation where, for instance, I myself could've been last-hour wagoned with no one looking too bad for it.

Tubesock -- I still find the filter suspicious.
#240, which is basically the start of his playing, is "I've decided to sheep HF this game. I want to make a remark about Grack's EoD1 but I have TMI so I point out that what he did isn't OBJECTIVELY Scummy, so I won't pursue what should be a subjectively interesting possibility [for me] of finding Mafia. I end the post mentioning one of my Scumbuddies in an off-handed joke."
Later, towards the End of D2 (posts #270 and #401), this has changed to "to all you who have played with Grack more, you should also know that Grack being self-aware of his D1-Vote this way should ring some alarm bells". This doesn't actually match with #240. In that post Grack was supposed to be suspicious ONLY if rayn was Mafia as well.
The progression of the iamp-suspicion ("implicated by the Night Kill") is lazy in a non-Town way. Especially since it's immediately followed up by "oh yeah I could Vote you too [Mocsta] based on this, but I kind of forgot even though you're one of the few people I separately mentioned earlier".
Also a lot of soft-defending of kitaman.
Overall, there's the same kind of "detached" tone that caught my eye with kitaman's filter as well. A tone that doesn't have the writer's heart in trying to actually solve the game, instead just "dancing around" the things happening in the Thread.

Need some food now so will continue vomiting out my thoughts in an hour or so.

On June 14 2018 01:41 Koshi wrote:
Kita/rayn/HF/Tube
Mocsta, iamp

I will do this for now. If you don't vote in the reds just vote me lol.
Because I won't show more commitment towards this game than I just did.


Also. If you fucks would read filters you would see how many people have issues with Mocsta. It's incredible actually.

On June 17 2018 08:09 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Rels, I would've always found an excuse to Vote iamp over kita D2 if I was the third one.

On June 17 2018 08:12 Rels wrote:

if it's Slender same thing right, just gotta call every player scum at some point and you can brag about it afterwards p:

On June 17 2018 19:27 Mocsta wrote:
Im still on p40

Sup
Can i get a quick summary
Cant believe this exploded in 1 day

On June 17 2018 21:25 Koshi wrote:
If Mocsta is mafia my reads were sooooo good. Way better than rayn.

But I must thank him for getting me out of Kitas pocket.

On June 14 2018 01:41 Koshi wrote:
Kita/rayn/HF/Tube
Mocsta, iamp

I will do this for now. If you don't vote in the reds just vote me lol.
Because I won't show more commitment towards this game than I just did.


Also. If you fucks would read filters you would see how many people have issues with Mocsta. It's incredible actually.