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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2018 07:06 GMT
#621
I knew rayn can be busy d1? That wasn't what my case was? He posted to stop trolling and afks. That's fine. Not mafia indicative, anyone can be busy. Then he came back 12 hours later and did not contribute to the thread in any meaningful way. That is why I mafia read him. Afking means nothing. Doing nothing to stop what you've told people to stop doing looked bad.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2018 07:20 GMT
#622
What should i have done then?
I remember you coming in and saying nothing but "why is this game only 5 pages" at the time so what.. should i have forged some reads or?
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2018 07:44 GMT
#623
On June 14 2018 16:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What should i have done then?
I remember you coming in and saying nothing but "why is this game only 5 pages" at the time so what.. should i have forged some reads or?


Yes? Pressured someone. Started conversation? Flung out a vote to make someone do something. I voted koshi, could have jumped on there. Anything other than "this game is weird" into afking again.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 14 2018 08:08 GMT
#624
nice job.

Need to know whether or not perfect is town/mafia.
Assuming it was town vs mafia then a fuba/koshi lynch sounds good.
Zerg for Life
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2018 08:59 GMT
#625
Wel. We shouldnt be lynching into kita wagon tomorrow anyways, except for iamp.
table for two on a tv tray
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
June 14 2018 09:05 GMT
#626
On June 14 2018 17:08 KelsierSC wrote:
nice job.

Need to know whether or not perfect is town/mafia.
Assuming it was town vs mafia then a fuba/koshi lynch sounds good.

Something silly for scum fuba to do: fakeclaim a power role when there's a 2/3 chance that there's actually that power role in the game, and for little reason. Especially when nothing is lost from the actual town power role counter-claiming (since the power roles in this game are particularly weak).
@theRealMkfuba07
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2018 09:54 GMT
#627
On June 14 2018 17:08 KelsierSC wrote:
nice job.

Need to know whether or not perfect is town/mafia.
Assuming it was town vs mafia then a fuba/koshi lynch sounds good.

Pleb Koshi his only crime is being bad and getting pocketed by evil kitaman.

But Great and Noble Master R showed Koshi the way. Koshi is an humble servant now. Do not think ill off him.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2018 10:03 GMT
#628
Great Master R. Is KelsierC a trustworthy fellow? He seems so down to business and grimm.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2018 10:05 GMT
#629
I am not worthy.
I had a good night of sleep.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
June 14 2018 13:47 GMT
#630
I don't think holyflare is mafia unless that was a hall of fame worthy fuck up. he could have just voted me earlier. I don't think holyflare would play a chicken game like that.

I got school tonight so I won't be back untill tommorow.

Medic if he exists should 100% heal rayn don't wifom or hero play yourself out of it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2018 16:47 GMT
#631
If a medic exists he should just claim so we have to lynch between them and fuba?
TheSlenderMan
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland70 Posts
June 14 2018 16:54 GMT
#632
iamp, he did Vote you earlier, like an hour or two before the deadline.

The shuffle at the very last minute would, regardless, be very weird from a Mafia!HF. Like, even if both you and kitaman were Scum together with him. It would simply be super unnecessary.
TheSlenderMan
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland70 Posts
June 14 2018 17:16 GMT
#633
On June 15 2018 01:47 Holyflare wrote:
If a medic exists he should just claim so we have to lynch between them and fuba?

I was going to say that it shouldn't be done until D3 but now that I think about, your proposition is probably correct.

If there is a Doctor-claimant, they SHOULD claim ASAP.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2018 17:32 GMT
#634
Doesn't have to be asap. Can just be at deadline.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 14 2018 17:41 GMT
#635
On June 14 2018 17:08 KelsierSC wrote:
nice job.

Need to know whether or not perfect is town/mafia.
Assuming it was town vs mafia then a fuba/koshi lynch sounds good.

How can you scumread fuba when you apparently dont even know he has claimed tracker aka havent read his posts?
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2018 17:49 GMT
#636
On June 15 2018 01:54 TheSlenderMan wrote:
iamp, he did Vote you earlier, like an hour or two before the deadline.

The shuffle at the very last minute would, regardless, be very weird from a Mafia!HF. Like, even if both you and kitaman were Scum together with him. It would simply be super unnecessary.


If they were both scum I'd look great lol
TheSlenderMan
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland70 Posts
June 14 2018 18:27 GMT
#637
KelsierSC -- could be Mafia, sure. No real way to know what happened with the progression of reads on kitaman and fuba. But I wouldn't want to Lynch D3. I would assume Mafia to be more aware of what's going on, wrt fuba's claim for instance.

fuba -- his filter checks out, I'm buying the claim. The weirdness of the tone I noticed earlier (and which troubled me start-of-D2) is also perfectly well explained by a Power-role eager to get to do something behind the scenes.

D1 final Vote Tally -- the only outlier Votes from the two main wagons (Palmar and rayn) were me and Tubesock (afk) and Koshi. Nothing real to be gained from this information, as the two main wagons were 99% likely to just give Mafia free hands to Vote however the hell they want.

Holyflare -- has called people out on the right stuff. Been able to follow his posts from a game-solving perspective. Don't feel like there's real evidence to suggest tinfoiling -- as Mafia the last minute consideration and re-consideration of the D2-Vote was simply unnecessary. In a situation where, for instance, I myself could've been last-hour wagoned with no one looking too bad for it.

Tubesock -- I still find the filter suspicious.
#240, which is basically the start of his playing, is "I've decided to sheep HF this game. I want to make a remark about Grack's EoD1 but I have TMI so I point out that what he did isn't OBJECTIVELY Scummy, so I won't pursue what should be a subjectively interesting possibility [for me] of finding Mafia. I end the post mentioning one of my Scumbuddies in an off-handed joke."
Later, towards the End of D2 (posts #270 and #401), this has changed to "to all you who have played with Grack more, you should also know that Grack being self-aware of his D1-Vote this way should ring some alarm bells". This doesn't actually match with #240. In that post Grack was supposed to be suspicious ONLY if rayn was Mafia as well.
The progression of the iamp-suspicion ("implicated by the Night Kill") is lazy in a non-Town way. Especially since it's immediately followed up by "oh yeah I could Vote you too [Mocsta] based on this, but I kind of forgot even though you're one of the few people I separately mentioned earlier".
Also a lot of soft-defending of kitaman.
Overall, there's the same kind of "detached" tone that caught my eye with kitaman's filter as well. A tone that doesn't have the writer's heart in trying to actually solve the game, instead just "dancing around" the things happening in the Thread.

Need some food now so will continue vomiting out my thoughts in an hour or so.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
June 14 2018 19:14 GMT
#638
I’m saving rayn.

Mafia doesn’t have the balls to stop me.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 14 2018 20:31 GMT
#639
I'm very sorry about my absence. I'm in the middle of moving off my appartement so every ounce of my free time was spent packing boxes. I read a few posts here and there but that's it. I saw we lynched scum though which is nice
I'll use my lunch break tomorrow to play the game
TheSlenderMan
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland70 Posts
June 14 2018 20:42 GMT
#640
kitaman's filter -- Koshi is only mentioned a couple of times and there's never any "follow-up" on kita's part. Not sure what to think about Koshi's last Votes on D2 and kitaman's reaction to them (#433), though.
Mocsta should 99% of the time be Town after Mafia!kitaman -flip.
During D1 it seemed like kita was trying to sound reasonable about a "low-hanging fruit" when briefly mentioning Rels. Nothing else to go by there.
There's a lot of interactions with Grack. Not as clear as the ones with Mocsta or rayn but much better than the ones with Koshi.
Holyflare gets surprisingly little attention from kita? Makes a part of me want to tinfoil.
All in all there's too many variables wrt end-of-D2 to feel confident about what kitaman thought about the Wagon-situation during the last few hours. Other than he tried his damnedest to survive

Koshi -- said I don't see LITERALLY anything Town-like in his filter, still don't. Would want to Lynch. #389 by itself would be reason enough!
The "Master Rayn -spiel" isn't convincing as it seems like Koshi's trying to retroactively paint D2 in the light that he "saw the light" wrt kita thanks to rayn. But looking at the filter there's nothing that couldn't equally as well just be a Scummioso losing momentum in the Thread, and meekly trying to adapt his commentary wrt kitaman. There's no attempts to "solve" kita, no actual attempts to directly confront him, after the "dawn of realization".
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