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On April 09 2018 11:58 kushm4sta wrote:


Why not oats.. why not then..
Looks like scum to me.

On April 09 2018 01:02 Vivax wrote:

You can be town for this post. But I don't agree with it.

On April 08 2018 06:41 Calix wrote:

Never played with GB before. In fact, I don't think I've played with quite a few people on this playerlist.

Speaking of GB, have a question. If your read on me is "pure intuition" - which suggests you have no solid basis to scum-read me - then how can you ask Rayn and Eversince if they "see what you see"? That implies you have a more tangible reason to call me mafia.

On April 08 2018 18:53 Calix wrote:
If you don't think there's such a thing as too scummy to be scum then yeah, I'd like to know why you think Vivax's dumb post is "town dumb" then.

A questionable progression isn't a reason to suspect someone is mafia? Yes, I said that it 'might' make him mafia as I would like an explanation from him first but there's still plenty of content to comment from.

And if you thought it didn't say anything then again, why WOULDN'T you respond to it saying that at the time? Here's what you're claiming. Your mafia read a makes long accusatory post "which doesn't say anything" on someone you town-lean and you're claiming you just ignored it until I prodded you for a response?

Yeah, I don't believe you.

##vote raynpelikoneet

On April 09 2018 14:50 Eversince wrote:


Yes, it was. The prior was for Rayn/Calix. That was like 2-3 pages worth of back and forth not 2-3 post. I thought they were fine.

Skynx getting no support makes me think he's not mafia because Rayn under fire and pressure by half the damn thread makes no sense for the mafia to be l'oh, well wtf ever, we dun mind afk'.

That's just stupid.

On April 09 2018 14:59 Eversince wrote:


No I meant if it was a mafia driven lynch they would of just beat around the bush for 24 hrs then fucked off. They would of setup a diversion, and a backup, and pushed off onto one of those after Rayn failed. This whole concept is why Skynx isn't scum. Stop voting for him darnit.

On April 09 2018 15:09 currentlyhomeless wrote:


Yep, I’m the greatest!

It would be great if you sheeped me and voted HF, cause HF is flipping scum.

On April 09 2018 15:33 GlowingBear wrote:


I don't know why, but this post makes me feel you're town.
I hate you.

Also, insomnia.

On April 09 2018 13:27 Eversince wrote:
I'll say now that Calix/Rayn business seems town on town to me. Doesn't make any sense why either Calix would go so rashly against other Rayn (Who is peculiarly tame this game). Both got a huge amount of attention and the time frame that it happened in doesn't make sense for mafia. Sure, late day hard push for an objective would have made sense. But so early in the day? I don't think mafia would have exposed them self in such a noticeable way that early. Also Calix re-eval is something that I do need to think about. Because that was a little weird. But, people can change there minds. I personally think it was genuine. It just happened in such a fast time frame. But ack, I can't give someone a hard time for realizing their mistake and changing their perspective.

GB's alright in my book. He had something that gave me questions when I was skimming. I'll post those when I re-read. Not bad enough for me to move off my town impression of him.

HF is so scarcely relevant right now that it's kinda scary. My experience with him has been:
1) Very strong points against people as either alignment.
2) Crazy active, this friend's filter at 2 pages after a day and a half r.r.....
3) Very inquisitive. He notices things that other people miss. Like a lot. He usually attacks these things and hammers scum for it. The fact that he's not currently doing it actually makes me think he's town. Even mafia HF exploits people trash comments. HF isn't doing that. He doesn't have any presence at all. So I will give him a light townread for right now (I hope you are ok HF!)

Oats is questionable to me r.r Like he pokes holes in lots of things that are easy to poke holes in. Then doesn't elaborate on them at all. But he's 'lukewarm' in the sense that he hasn't really pushed these ideas towards anything. His largest attempt was on Calix and he still didn't even bother trying to start a wagon. Seems unusual from a mafia perspective to complain points idle in thread for no gain. He can be on my fence.

Skynx is alright for now.

CH has literally no post in the thread that I remember atm. Would lynch.

Vivax is different than I remember from the times we last played. I'll give him time though.

Tubesock seems alright.

Exo_ He did make couple of post that I thought might be constructive. So I'll give him points for that. I'll filter him later and see what those were though. I don't remember r.r

I didn't even realize nOObking was in the game before I filtered him. Would lynch.

Damdie seems ok to me.

I think that covers everything. I'm sorry if I missed something! I will go shower, and be back in about 15 minutes!

On April 09 2018 17:43 n00bKing wrote:
Do you not agree that (because answer B *is* what happened) Vivax's posts on the subject seem strange?

On April 09 2018 17:55 n00bKing wrote:

Would be a better question if Holyflare were voting against someone else instead of you. Rather than how he's just not voting.

On April 09 2018 17:07 Calix wrote:


Why not HF? I know you said 'his lack of nitpicking' makes him more likely town but you still have him as 'solid null' so I don't really get why you don't want him lynched.

On April 09 2018 19:55 n00bKing wrote:

Lazy scum _____ is more dangerous than lazy town ______ is helpful. Doesn't matter whose name you put in the blank.

On April 09 2018 20:01 Tubesock wrote:
My lynch order would be something like:

Skynx
Currentlyplayless
Vivax, Exo, Damdred

They’re all pretty much the same really.

Doubt i would vote n00bking. Won’t vote for the rest of the game, including Eversince.

I think the only legitimate criticisms for her is her weird reads. I don’t understand her conclusions on Skynx, Damdred, Oats (not so much what she said in her list but our conversation), or Exo. When I talked to her I think she was being honest and open about her opinions. So I’m not faulting her for that. Anyway, I think she’s town.

But maybe not the fluffiest thing she's done. I liked when she asked Tubesock what he thought about me, when I hadn't made a post yet. That question is bound to be productive.

On April 09 2018 19:51 n00bKing wrote:

Okay, well you're wrong.

On April 09 2018 20:07 n00bKing wrote:

Well what did you mean to say, then? There is at least one word missing in your post, and maybe other errors. I tried to figure it out as best I could, but maybe I missed the mark.

On April 09 2018 20:15 n00bKing wrote:

I agree with Calix about why it is strange. See Post #161.

I read it the same way you (rayn) read it, that what he was doing was probably "Answer A." When it turned out to be "Answer B" I was like...that doesn't make any sense. As Calix outlined, Vivax didn't sound like someone who had a genuine change in his perception. So if he hadn't gone into the whole thing already townleaning GB before Damdred commented on it....then he didn't phrase things anything like I would, and it comes off very unnatural in my opinion.

On April 09 2018 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The more i think about it i think i am being dumb and should vote for eversince. Aside everything else said i thought eversince's read on exo could make her town bit it is in fact not so. Either theyre both mafia or she has TMI. After all exo is calling me and gb mafia for ahady reasons, both of who eversince townreads. Why is her read on exo "i liked some things exo said but i dont remember which things". Like... the read on me/gb is ALL exo has talked about.

##unvote
##vote eversince

On April 09 2018 21:02 n00bKing wrote:

GlowingBear said "I remember rayn was really good with opening posts, that's why I inquired him."

You might decide that he's lying or that his explanation still doesn't make sense to you, but I want to make sure you at least have seen what he already said about it.

On April 09 2018 19:52 n00bKing wrote:

No. Can you tell me what Holyflare actually did?

On April 09 2018 22:05 ExO_ wrote:


The impression I get is this:

He thinks you’re wrong, but that it doesn’t make you scum. However the language both of you are using has looked like its getting more heated. In particular right now you seem really frustrated and angry Calix

I’ll take another look at Vivaxs filter but he seems towny to me. In the mean time, what do you think of Holyflare right now Calix?

On April 09 2018 19:10 n00bKing wrote:

Based on Eversince's super-low post count, I would assume the vast majority of her Mafia experience comes from elsewhere. And I think a lot of what she's said would make sense for non-TL games, where you DO see a lot more coordination, strategy, and a well-defined "scum agenda" than what is often seen in the games here, where you sometimes wouldn't be able to tell if all the scum players were actually even reading the scum QT during Day Phases, and most members of the team are just doing whatever comes into their heads, without any planning, or forethought, or understanding of how it will impact their teammates.

But anyway, even if Scum were to set up "a diversion" and "a backup" that doesn't mean that a scum Skynx's teammates would have to help him out with a push against a town rayn, before gauging the TOWN'S interest in pursuing the lynch. So even once I decide that her premise is logical for non-TL games, I still don't think her premise actually supports her conclusion. Skynx could easily be Town, but this is not good reasoning for deciding that he's Town.

On April 10 2018 00:53 n00bKing wrote:

Well hi there.

Ummm...bump?

On April 10 2018 00:59 n00bKing wrote:

I wasn't talking about walls of text at all. I had been talking about early posts, before the walls came. What will make his filter useless to town players later in the game is that you can't tell what he's responding to, who he's talking about, or in some cases, who he's even talking TO.

On April 09 2018 16:44 n00bKing wrote:

So it's Kush that blows all the smurfs? I knew he looked familiar....


@Holyflare: I see currentlyhomeless already called you out for the fake vote against him. Care to explain?

@currentlyhomeless: Have anything you might use to convince me that Holyflare would flip red? Seems like you're saying he's scum because he felt threatened by your randomly-generated vote against him. Is there more to it than that?

I'll probably read some more of this thread now.

On April 10 2018 01:15 Oatsmaster wrote:

Skynx is on the same level as the other afk people imo

On April 10 2018 01:32 n00bKing wrote:

I assume you've found your Day 1 lynch then: Fecalfeast.

Alright, so duplicate roles are possible. If a Gunsmith happens along who hadn't seen Eversince's claim yet (lets say Damdred, for example) then there would be very minimal value in performing the counterclaim.

On the upside, no such thing as a mafia Gunsmith. If Eversince is able to pass a gun to who we tell her to pass it to, she's verified Town. There also cannot be a mafia Jailer to stop her from passing a gun, so she'll only be stopped by a mafia roleblocker.

I randomly feel like there's a decent chance of there being a mafia roleblocker in the game, so even if her claim is real instead of fake, I don't necessarily expect a gun to get passed on Night 1. But even though she's a better lynch now than before the claim, I'm inclined to at least give her the opportunity.

There are still 2 votes on her, but unless someone disagrees with the above, I think those votes should move off, instead of being added to.

On April 10 2018 01:38 n00bKing wrote:

By NO means did I say she is probably Town. In fact, I specifically said she's more likely to be Mafia now than before the roleclaim. But I think we should give her the opportunity to try and pass a gun anyway. HF is obviously not convinced that she is "probably town" either. And neither of us are in the two VOTES against her.

On April 10 2018 01:47 n00bKing wrote:

1) Since this ruleset allows for duplicate roles, a counterclaim from a real Gunsmith will not be as damaging as it would be otherwise. Good reason to fake claim a power role instead of just trying to pass for Vanilla.

2) Since this particular ruleset doesn't keep the roleblocker from choosing the same target on successive nights, Mafia Eversince has a never-ending excuse for failing to pass the gun and verifying her roleclaim.

3) Since this particular ruleset doesn't give notifications to people when they are roleblocked, the mafia roleblocker can continue to roleblock town players while Mafia Eversince pretends to be roleblocked, and no Town players can say "but I was roleblocked too..."

Not all rulesets will follow ANY of those three parameters, much less all three of them. But THIS game presents something of a perfect storm, for a fake Gunsmith claim.

On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:

There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier?

On April 10 2018 02:00 n00bKing wrote:

Claim something that can't be verified, and people might say "meh, that can't be verified" and then be more inclined to lynch through the claim. With THIS claim, they might reflexively think it CAN be verified, without realizing until later that it actually cannot.

And claim so far from EoD if she legitimately wanted to leave the thread and go to bed.

She told Vivax she would be around for another 45 minutes to an hour. An hour later she finds herself in the vote lead, at the time she's supposed to be leaving. So she makes the claim. As the excuse for the early claim, she says her "time is up." But she then spends the entire next HOUR defending herself, when she sees that people are NOT reacting positively to the claim. After that hour, she OFFICIALLY declares that she is now going to bed. (Like, for realsies, this time, peoples.) But then spends ANOTHER half hour defending herself from new posts instead. Spending 90 minutes defending herself, when the entire excuse behind the early claim was that she was "out of time" and had to leave.

If she were actually Town, then this post:

could very well have been the last thing she said, instead of us seeing all the things that followed it. But if she were scum and felt increased responsibility/obligation to her teammates (since there are fewer of them, if she's scum) then that might explain the 90 minutes she kept getting dragged into answering new posts.

I also can't say I care for the fact that she freely discussed reads on everyone from Vivax to DAMDRED (who had been long-term AFK), but ONE topic she refused to discuss (even when asked directly) was WHY she put her VOTE where it is. That's really bad.

But in the face of ALL that, I would give her the opportunity to try and pass the gun on Night 1. If she's Town, maybe we'll get lucky and the scum will not have a roleblocker to stop her with.

On April 10 2018 02:03 n00bKing wrote:

"duh" is an appropriate addition to the answers to WAY too many of oatsmaster's questions. Is that normal for him?

On April 10 2018 02:11 n00bKing wrote:

If she were Town, it makes sense to me that she would have gone ahead and left the thread much nearer to the time she actually said she was going to. Instead of repeatedly saying things like "believe me or don't, I don't care" and "fucking lynch me then" but continuing to defend and defend and defend.

If she were Town, she should have answered a simple and direct question about why her vote went where it went, instead of talking about everyone BUT her lynch target.

These things were both already mentioned in the post you quoted when you asked. y u no read?

On April 10 2018 02:41 ExO_ wrote:


Enlighten me, why do you want to lynch me? I have 20 minutes left on my lunch.

On April 10 2018 02:27 n00bKing wrote:

LOL

Do you have any evidence that people care more about being mislynched as a power role than they care about being lynched as scum? Because "saying it doesn't make it true." Every scum role is more important to its team than ANY power role is important to the town.

What's not to get?! She parks her vote on me, 100% out of nowhere, and says it's the "best place" for it. And then proceeds to discuss anything and everything EXCEPT the player she voted against, and why that is the best place for that vote. Even when directly asked for her reasoning...silence. Yet although she can't be asked to explain her VOTE, or talk about why it's there, or really even make any further mention of the player it's on, she stayed that extra 90 minutes to talk about reads on OTHER players, including even Damdred, who had been a full-blown AFK for quite some time.

On April 10 2018 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:

That's gonna be a no from me.

On April 10 2018 03:29 Oatsmaster wrote:

What do you think about damdred and skynx then? They also wanna lynch calix and they are objectively worse than me

On April 10 2018 03:26 n00bKing wrote:

And do you hate Damdred more for it or hate Oats more for it?

On April 10 2018 03:18 n00bKing wrote:

Can sure be convinced to lynch Oatsmaster. Choosing you as the best D1 lynch strikes me as pretty ridiculous. He's just as obtuse as Vivax, but it feels more sinister. Vivax is maybe more...directionless, than malicious.