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On March 31 2018 13:25 ExO_ wrote: XD FF I think we’re having a miscommunication. I asked if it would be one of those setups listed or it could involve any of those roles within the samples...you said yes, which could mean either yes the samples, or yes could involve any of the roles He meant yes, it will be one of those four setups. | ||
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On April 09 2018 12:24 GlowingBear wrote: My God, kush, is there a single smurf you didn't blow mid-game? So it's Kush that blows all the smurfs? I knew he looked familiar.... ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEtvGFfCEAIgmZ3.jpg) @Holyflare: I see currentlyhomeless already called you out for the fake vote against him. Care to explain? @currentlyhomeless: Have anything you might use to convince me that Holyflare would flip red? Seems like you're saying he's scum because he felt threatened by your randomly-generated vote against him. Is there more to it than that? I'll probably read some more of this thread now. | ||
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On April 09 2018 01:05 Calix wrote: Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people. Independent of anything else, this for sure is true. I had already noticed that his posts are more difficult to follow than anyone else's, before reading this from you. And that's with me reading the thread chronologically; I'm sure it'll be even worse if anyone tries to look into his filter later in the game. If he's Town, then the fact that his posts will later be almost impossible for other Town players to look at, read, and understand, would not be great for his win condition. But if he's Scum, the fact that his posts will later be indecipherable for Town players would not hurt his win condition at all. | ||
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On April 09 2018 01:16 ExO_ wrote: I don’t know why else he would post asking for Rayn, without having any indication Rayn would even be here to respond. Presumably, rayn would *eventually* be here to respond. Your observation is noted. People understand what you've said, and have mostly chosen to dismiss it, so you'll need something else. You didn't vote against rayn for this anyway. And in fact, didn't vote for anyone. Hopefully, when you said you'll be gone for the rest of the day, you only meant the rest of what was "April 8th" for you in the US. And not the rest of Day 1. | ||
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On April 09 2018 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: The first thing that made me thing Calix is scummy was this post: I can sort of see the thought process here but from this post i got the feeling Calix is doing the thing here where she makes GB answer wrong regardless of the answer. There is nothing wrong with GB asking me or Eversince about Calix, since Eversince was obviously around, and me for other reasons (which shouldn't be a concern to Calix here since she has never played with GB). Then she goes on and says the last sentence which is like... ughhh.. leading GB to possibly say something stupid. Like if GB says: 1) "no i didn't" --> you're mafia because you implied so 2) "yes i actually did" --> you're mafia because you didn't give the reason (why wouldn't you) I don't agree that both answers are wrong. Only the first answer is wrong. He gave the second answer, which I think is fine, and which didn't seem to set Calix off, either. On April 09 2018 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then there is this. The problem with the "questionable progression" Calix gives here might be suspicious because in the post where she accuses Vivax of being mafia she already gives the townie answer for Vivax (aka answer A). It is basically what i believed Vivax was doing, i thought Vivax made a stupid rection test to Damdred on GB already having a townread on GB. That in itself isn't even scummy, what i find stupid is that Calix gives a scumread on Vivax and then says like "but what was your reasoning, pick from these answeres where one is townie and one is scummy or make up your own answer". If you want someone to answer TRUTHFULLY you don't give answers (or you have some kind of trick in there ^^ , which there isn't here). Why would you say, as town, "hey dude, i think you are scummy, can you elaborate on this X thing and if you answer Y then you are town"? What's the point? Now i don't think this is even necessarily scummy but the follow up on it is. Problem being that answer A is NOT what Vivax has said he was doing. He's said that answer B is what happened, and that he did in fact change his mind, rather than townreading GB all along and using a reaction test on Damdred. And through Page 12, you don't seem to have ever acknowledged this fact, or said anything about how (or whether) it changes your impression of Vivax. I agree with Calix that Vivax's "progression" does not read as it should, if he had a genuine change in his perspective. It reads just fine if he was townreading GB all along and fishing for Damdred's response, but Vivax has told us that isn't what happened. Do you not agree that (because answer B *is* what happened) Vivax's posts on the subject seem strange? | ||
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On April 08 2018 14:41 GlowingBear wrote: Mr. Calix and Mr. Rayn I particularly disliked this exchange: + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2018 04:29 Vivax wrote: Make it more challenging and flip a coin at least? On April 08 2018 04:39 Calix wrote: Why make it more challenging? I for one need to figure out how to play again. I am pretty rusty  Vivax joke was really obvious, I don't like this question "Why make it more challenging?" like he is pursuing more information - but he really isn't. Feels forced. Calix's response is just as "obviously jokey" as what Vivax said. I don't know why you and rayn don't seem to get that. "Why make it more challenging" is not an earnest attempt to pursue more information, nor is it meant to be disguised as an earnest attempt. On April 08 2018 14:41 GlowingBear wrote: Now this: + Show Spoiler + When he posted this I already voted him. He didn't react to it, he didn't try to understand what was happening. He ignored it and decided to ask Eversince that question. Again, why asking that and completely ignoring my vote? Ignoring it sounds like he froze and decided to go against anything else. I do this as Town all the time. I even did it in the very last game, when Conversion voted against me and I didn't address him about it at all, instead just going about my business. I know you've made some posts that make it sound like you're waffling on the Calix-vote a bit, and have said you might be tunneled, etc. But since you haven't moved the vote yet, I'm making this post anyway, and maybe it'll help. | ||
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On April 09 2018 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course it is not deep, nothing is at this point. But it really sounded like you gave GB basically no "right" answers. I actually thought it made you a bit townier when you posted the Vivax post and in the same post called GB town but then you stated to call me mafia based on something i think you should realize is basically the opposite of what you said.... If you are really telling the truth about thinking i am mafia because "i should vote for you" why are you not reading Holyflare mafia as he agreed with your case (which if correct makes me mafia) but is not voting for me? Would be a better question if Holyflare were voting against someone else instead of you. Rather than how he's just not voting. | ||
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On April 09 2018 04:56 GlowingBear wrote: Like, Calix, did you see the reason why Skynx is scumreading me? He said it didn't make sense that I was euphoric to play but peaced out to go to the theatre (as we all know, starts at specific times), then he said I couldn't possibly be back 5:40 hours later. LOL. shrug? You do come out of the gates with some posts that read kinda like "Woohoo! Time to play some Mafia! Let's DO this!" And then you say something like "I'm feeling really good tonight so I might spam a little bit" And then you say something like "Anyway, gotta go, bye" Skynx might have already thought that was weird, even if you hadn't specifically said "I won't be posting until tomorrow" before coming back later that day and posting some more. Calix asked him what your mafia motivation for lying would be, and he didn't seem to know, he just didn't see a good town motivation for lying. When Calix says she could see a Town Skynx just thinking "liars = scum" you responded with: On April 09 2018 05:20 GlowingBear wrote: I understand the reason behing lynch all liars, but the thing is: why I was lying? Well...he doesn't know why you were lying. Why don't YOU tell him why you were lying? lol | ||
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On April 09 2018 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote: [Calix] doesnt unvote rayn because she doesnt have anyone else to vote but doesnt think hes scum anymore is questionable What's questionable about that? She says that one should not unvote until one has a new target to move the vote TO. She is correct. | ||
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"he's" is Skynx. And I'm guessing that Eversince is not a native English speaker. | ||
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On April 09 2018 15:01 Oatsmaster wrote: you give way too much credit for scum teamplay. Based on Eversince's super-low post count, I would assume the vast majority of her Mafia experience comes from elsewhere. And I think a lot of what she's said would make sense for non-TL games, where you DO see a lot more coordination, strategy, and a well-defined "scum agenda" than what is often seen in the games here, where you sometimes wouldn't be able to tell if all the scum players were actually even reading the scum QT during Day Phases, and most members of the team are just doing whatever comes into their heads, without any planning, or forethought, or understanding of how it will impact their teammates. But anyway, even if Scum were to set up "a diversion" and "a backup" that doesn't mean that a scum Skynx's teammates would have to help him out with a push against a town rayn, before gauging the TOWN'S interest in pursuing the lynch. So even once I decide that her premise is logical for non-TL games, I still don't think her premise actually supports her conclusion. Skynx could easily be Town, but this is not good reasoning for deciding that he's Town. | ||
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On April 09 2018 15:10 Oatsmaster wrote: you probably shouldnt lie about why you are voting HF He's voting HF because the RNG said "2." He doesn't answer questions about whether there are reasons to think HF would flip scum, beyond the way in which HF fell into his "trap" so I don't really know what to do with him. To this point, he hasn't really exhibited the demeanor of someone who would suddenly become cooperative if vote-pressured. Since I think we should assume he's Kush until we have good reason to believe otherwise, some more comments on what it would mean if Kush were behaving this way would be helpful. (only 1 or 2 people have said anything about this so far.) | ||
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On April 09 2018 15:36 GlowingBear wrote: Actually, skynx case did get some kind of support because Calix just went on rayn, didn't she?  Not sure if serious, cuz smiley. But in case you misremember, the timeline is that Calix was already voting against rayn before Skynx made his post, and the vote against you. | ||
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On April 09 2018 17:59 Calix wrote: After catching up properly with the overnight posting, I'm concluding that Eversince is a good lynch. Very fluffy post. But maybe not the fluffiest thing she's done. I liked when she asked Tubesock what he thought about me, when I hadn't made a post yet. That question is bound to be productive. On April 09 2018 17:59 Calix wrote: Look at her reads. A lot of them are not even proper reads ("XYZ is ok" is literal fluff to make the post look more impressive). I'll mention again that I don't think English looks to be her first language. As such, there could be a distinction between who she says seems "ok" (like Damdred) vs. who she says is "alright." When she says "alright" that appears to be a townread, because she lists Tubesock as an "alright" and then shortly later tells him that she "still thinks he is town." And lists Skynx as an "alright" and has gone on to say that she will fight against his lynch. It's a little strange to me, how big a deal she made about how she'll fight against Skynx's lynch, when there's never been more than a single vote against him. On April 09 2018 17:59 Calix wrote: I also do not like her subsequent heavy defense posts about Skynx and I in lieu of finding a suspect to lynch. Since Skynx and I are currently under moderate amounts of suspicion, I feel she is white-knighting me. Envisioning that Eversince is scum, then is she also white-knighting Skynx? Or do you think the way she's defending him feels different, and that he's more likely to be a scummate than just another townie she's trying to cozy up to? On April 09 2018 17:59 Calix wrote: Oats vs Eversince was also odd. Looked like Oats thought Eversince was doing something scummy in #376 (in reference to Skynx not getting any traction), Eversince then posts something about Tubesock, and then Oats asks for a response to his post in #386. Which Eversince did not respond to. That's the second time now that she's dodged questions while still obviously being in the thread. She had definitely answered that. Her explanation is even IN the post he quotes from her when he asks. 1) Several players were suspicious of rayn (you can agree with her about this, or not, but it doesn't matter. This is how the answer goes.) 2) Skynx casts the vote against rayn, and adds to the "case" against him. 3) No one takes this new opportunity to throw their votes onto rayn as well. 4) If Skynx were scum, his teammates would have supported his push against rayn. Nothing like that happened, ergo, Skynx is Town. I don't agree with how her thought process went, but the answer was given. | ||
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Okay, well you're wrong. | ||
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On April 09 2018 18:38 currentlyhomeless wrote: there we go... can you tell me what Holyflare actually did though? No. Can you tell me what Holyflare actually did? | ||
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On April 09 2018 18:51 Tubesock wrote: I feel somewhat confident I can read him eventually. I think he tries harder as mafia, but also I think the damage a living fairly inactive mafiaHF is less than killing a townHF who just hasn’t had much time to play. He hasn’t done anything that I think makes him town, but so far he’s on the greener shade of null. However, well within his scum range. Lazy scum _____ is more dangerous than lazy town ______ is helpful. Doesn't matter whose name you put in the blank. | ||
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