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On April 13 2018 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay i need Vivax, Tubesock and homeless to explain me this: After these posts on D2: Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 06:20 Vivax wrote:
Rayn did you get the gun? no Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 10:01 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2018 09:59 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.
Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics. are you scum this game??? ever claims rayn is confirmed because only one person died n1 this is way different from “because rayn doesn’t have a gun” it means ever doesn’t know how the gunsmith role works. which means they aren’t gunsmith1500% scum That's bullshit bro cause even mafia can figure out how the role works from just reading the OP or talking privately with the host. There are no slips there just the assumption that rayn got the gun as soon as she sent in the action. Actually i have to say here i am once again sceptic about Eversince because there is a very easy way to resolve this and i am not sure why this isn't happening already and the discussion has been going on for like pages and Eversince is weird as fuck again. Eversince, do you have a gun? Can you understand what happens here in case i am mafia, did not roleblock Eversince and in fact do have a gun? The fact that Eversince never managed to answer the question is irrelevant because that was not the expected outcome. So all three of you, explain the logic between "lynch rayn because he might have a gun and might be mafia"? Holyflare, since you are driven by logic, why are you letting this kind of discussion go on and on in the thread?
It didn't really cross my mind and I don't think it's particularly hard to "use the gun for good" if you were mafia and did receive it. I dunno. Generally just didn't care because I'm not here to defend you and don't really think you're mafia.
We should be lynching exo.
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On April 13 2018 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2018 21:46 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 13 2018 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay i need Vivax, Tubesock and homeless to explain me this: After these posts on D2: On April 11 2018 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 06:20 Vivax wrote:
Rayn did you get the gun? no On April 11 2018 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 10:01 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2018 09:59 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.
Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics. are you scum this game??? ever claims rayn is confirmed because only one person died n1 this is way different from “because rayn doesn’t have a gun” it means ever doesn’t know how the gunsmith role works. which means they aren’t gunsmith1500% scum That's bullshit bro cause even mafia can figure out how the role works from just reading the OP or talking privately with the host. There are no slips there just the assumption that rayn got the gun as soon as she sent in the action. Actually i have to say here i am once again sceptic about Eversince because there is a very easy way to resolve this and i am not sure why this isn't happening already and the discussion has been going on for like pages and Eversince is weird as fuck again. Eversince, do you have a gun? On April 11 2018 16:06 Holyflare wrote:
Do you still have a gun Eversince? Can you understand what happens here in case i am mafia, did not roleblock Eversince and in fact do have a gun? The fact that Eversince never managed to answer the question is irrelevant because that was not the expected outcome. So all three of you, explain the logic between "lynch rayn because he might have a gun and might be mafia"? Holyflare, since you are driven by logic, why are you letting this kind of discussion go on and on in the thread? holy shit i’m a baddie i have no idea why but i had to read this several times before i finally understood yea thank fuck actually the game makes a lot more sense now. we dont need to policy lynch you after all not sure if sarcasm or not?
100% serious, i’m actually relieved
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But it helps you read other people no? Like if someone makes a retarded argument it tells about them as much (or even more) it does from the target of the argument.
I can't talk about reads on others because i wasn't able to focus properly last night and i only have like an hour or so before i need to go to bed between my shifts. But i can talk about reads on myself. Basically both Vivax and Exo are using super straw man arguments to read me as mafia.
Glowingbear kill basically doesn't mean anything. I understand if someone looks into some people based on a night kill but if you are trying to prove someone is mafia just because someone was shot ans someone else wasn't it's literally a straw man argument. Because that in itself is never an argument and apparently those two fuckers can't make any other arguments than like that one.
Second thing is the gun thing. I am especially looking at Vivax here since he was initially interested if i have a gun. I did give him a straight answer, yet he managed to NOT figure out if Eversince confirms this or not (i am talking about the three page discussion between basically Eversince and Vivax). After this i directly come and ask the correct question regarding this, so does HF. But after D2 ends and eversince flips Vivax cannot somehow make the most obvious cunclusion ever. (note that i am mainly talking about Vivax here since he was alreay interested in the matter -- aka thought about the whole thing already in D2). Basically he had all the tools necessary to resolve the situation yet decided not to use them, and then "blames" the people who actually did (not to mention me doing that would confirm me mafia at least after knowing Eversince's alignment). That is not a hard thing to understand.
Exo is doing the same thing in different words. Both of them are are only using arguments which don't actually mean anything, and ONLY using arguments that don't actually mean anything. Like the fact that both Vivax and Exo are scumreading me and Holyflare because me and Holyflare are alive is ALREADY A PROOF of Glowingbear kill meaning nothing if they (Vivax and Exo) are town. It is just a wifom argument. Like seriously, give this a minute of thought.....
I possibly have a problem with Calix being mafia. Does anyone remember if there are people who voted for Calix and now think other people who voted for Calix last phase are mafia?
Basically who do Oatsmaster, Tubesock, skynx and ExO_ scumread?
You can put away Exo because i know who he scumreads.
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To be truthful I'm really busy at work and just didn't piece together the obvious answer. More concerned with what was in my head and commenting on posts than doing figuring out.
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I forgot one thing about Vivax.
Vivax is saying i didn't die despite being "largely townread" during N1.
I want Vivax to point out who were those people who townread me N1.
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Because i cannot come up with anyone except for himself, Tubesock, Eversince and Calix (and i am not even sure about the last one).
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On April 13 2018 07:21 Vivax wrote:
Why was GB killed N1 Oats over you, HF and rayn who were being almost universally townread with the exception of me and maybe a few others?
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Actually i am not sure about Vivax townreading me either on N1 because he seems to be saying the opposite rn lol.
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On April 13 2018 22:30 Holyflare wrote:
To be truthful I'm really busy at work and just didn't piece together the obvious answer. More concerned with what was in my head and commenting on posts than doing figuring out.
Okay what did you mean with the psot i asked you about?
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On April 13 2018 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I possibly have a problem with Calix being mafia. Does anyone remember if there are people who voted for Calix and now think other people who voted for Calix last phase are mafia?
you basically described everyone on calix ytd i think except maybe skynx
oats for example wants to kill calix. but also exo who voted calix.
skynx also still wants to kill calix but reads exo/calix as opposite alignments. iirc skynx townreads oats and scumreads tube? actually dont remember and too lazy to filter dive at this point
exo was attacking skynx too
and then tube I just ignore cause i’m townreading him but pretty sure he also attacked all 3 of skynx exo calix together at some point. i vaguely remember i even called him out on it. or maybe it was skynx, who the fuck knows at this point
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On April 13 2018 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2018 22:30 Holyflare wrote:
To be truthful I'm really busy at work and just didn't piece together the obvious answer. More concerned with what was in my head and commenting on posts than doing figuring out. Okay what did you mean with the psot i asked you about?
Which post?
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It doesn't make any sense a person who was on Calix does now want to kill other people on Calix, because if Calix is mafia (which they should automaticvally still think as nothing has changed) they are less likely to be mafia since the vote was super close (aka Eversince who should get an action taken on her after game for playing against her wincondition) could have get Calix lynched.
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On April 13 2018 22:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2018 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 13 2018 22:30 Holyflare wrote:
To be truthful I'm really busy at work and just didn't piece together the obvious answer. More concerned with what was in my head and commenting on posts than doing figuring out. Okay what did you mean with the psot i asked you about? Which post?
On April 13 2018 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Wait actually, Holyflare i need you to explain why you are saying this: Show nested quote +This game is fucking stupid that we even contemplate killing rayn because of a gun situation that could have easily just been resolved if literally anyone else in the game was gunsmith. What do you mean by the bolded part?
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On April 13 2018 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It doesn't make any sense a person who was on Calix does now want to kill other people on Calix, because if Calix is mafia (which they should automaticvally still think as nothing has changed) they are less likely to be mafia since the vote was super close (aka Eversince who should get an action taken on her after game for playing against her wincondition) could have get Calix lynched.
by they, you mean each other?
they obviously all can’t be scum, this was the same thing. i was saying earlier. literally makes no sense for someone to scumread someone else who has the same scumreads as you. but literally all of them do
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On April 13 2018 22:58 currentlyhomeless wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2018 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It doesn't make any sense a person who was on Calix does now want to kill other people on Calix, because if Calix is mafia (which they should automaticvally still think as nothing has changed) they are less likely to be mafia since the vote was super close (aka Eversince who should get an action taken on her after game for playing against her wincondition) could have get Calix lynched. by they, you mean each other? they obviously all can’t be scum, this was the same thing. i was saying earlier. literally makes no sense for someone to scumread someone else who has the same scumreads as you. but literally all of them do
It does make sense to scumread other people who scumread the same people you do, it all depends on reasoning. But there was perfect reasoning for Eversince to be mafia so in itself people voting for calix instead is fishy in my opinion.
But if you go further on with this, why would you now scumread the people who SHARED your opinion of the unlikely scenario where Eversince flips town, especially when Eversince was an easy place to place a vote on if you are mafia -- when the alternative is your scumbuddy Calix. And Eversince can just kill mafia!Calix only by saving herself which is an expected outcome anyways lol. It doesn't make anys sense.
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Like, lets assume this:
- Eversince is town
- Calix is mafia
- Vote is 6 to 4. One of the voters on Eversince is Eversince
- If Eversince decides that she doesn't want to die (which is what you assume she does as town -- and you know that as mafia, i mean that she is town) Calix dies.
- There are perfect reasons to vote for Eversince
- Why do you vote for Calix?
This all translates to, why does someone who scumreads Calix scumread other people on Calix??????????
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This all translates to, why does someone who scumreads Calix and was on Calix D2, scumread other people on Calix??????????
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On April 13 2018 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2018 22:58 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 13 2018 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It doesn't make any sense a person who was on Calix does now want to kill other people on Calix, because if Calix is mafia (which they should automaticvally still think as nothing has changed) they are less likely to be mafia since the vote was super close (aka Eversince who should get an action taken on her after game for playing against her wincondition) could have get Calix lynched. by they, you mean each other? they obviously all can’t be scum, this was the same thing. i was saying earlier. literally makes no sense for someone to scumread someone else who has the same scumreads as you. but literally all of them do It does make sense to scumread other people who scumread the same people you do, it all depends on reasoning. But there was perfect reasoning for Eversince to be mafia so in itself people voting for calix instead is fishy in my opinion. But if you go further on with this, why would you now scumread the people who SHARED your opinion of the unlikely scenario where Eversince flips town, especially when Eversince was an easy place to place a vote on if you are mafia -- when the alternative is your scumbuddy Calix. And Eversince can just kill mafia!Calix only by saving herself which is an expected outcome anyways lol. It doesn't make anys sense.
actually i think the hammer had to be damdred or someone switching from ever to calix.
iirc we had 5 on ever right. then ever comes and votes herself and makes it 6.
even if ever voted calix the vote wouldve been tied and it would be up to the afk player to decide the vote
i do get what you mean though. basically on tone tube & oats came out townier for me, while both exo and skynx look scummier. like between those 4 who voted calix i think its max 2 scum. theres no way they are all scum otherwise the infighting makes no sense, no team buses that hard
although actually bussing more cleanly explains it rofl
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I am super conflicted at the moment because logic says Calix should be mafia but i can't manage to make a scumteam that makes sense to me logicaly, based on what has happened in the game, again logically. Here are the Calix voters:
Eversince (6): currentlyhomeless, Calix, vivax, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, Eversince
We know eversince is town.
I know i am town.
I think HF is town.
I think CH is town.
That only leaves Calix and Vivax. Maybe it is them two and Damdred slot. That makes sense. But then again based on what has been psoted in the thread is that Exo is mafia too. So basically Exo/Calix is my primary concern right now.
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On April 13 2018 23:09 currentlyhomeless wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2018 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 13 2018 22:58 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 13 2018 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It doesn't make any sense a person who was on Calix does now want to kill other people on Calix, because if Calix is mafia (which they should automaticvally still think as nothing has changed) they are less likely to be mafia since the vote was super close (aka Eversince who should get an action taken on her after game for playing against her wincondition) could have get Calix lynched. by they, you mean each other? they obviously all can’t be scum, this was the same thing. i was saying earlier. literally makes no sense for someone to scumread someone else who has the same scumreads as you. but literally all of them do It does make sense to scumread other people who scumread the same people you do, it all depends on reasoning. But there was perfect reasoning for Eversince to be mafia so in itself people voting for calix instead is fishy in my opinion. But if you go further on with this, why would you now scumread the people who SHARED your opinion of the unlikely scenario where Eversince flips town, especially when Eversince was an easy place to place a vote on if you are mafia -- when the alternative is your scumbuddy Calix. And Eversince can just kill mafia!Calix only by saving herself which is an expected outcome anyways lol. It doesn't make anys sense. actually i think the hammer had to be damdred or someone switching from ever to calix. iirc we had 5 on ever right. then ever comes and votes herself and makes it 6. even if ever voted calix the vote wouldve been tied and it would be up to the afk player to decide the vote i do get what you mean though. basically on tone tube & oats came out townier for me, while both exo and skynx look scummier. like between those 4 who voted calix i think its max 2 scum. theres no way they are all scum otherwise the infighting makes no sense, no team buses that hard although actually bussing more cleanly explains it rofl
Ah you are right, it was 5-4 before eversince. I miscounted.
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