CALIX
Scumreads Vivax all day one. To justify her vote, she says the wagons are too static not to have one being mafia. Probably Vivax’s. Then later says Vivax is town because the votes are weirdly static. She unvotes and is frozen on who to vote next.
Scumreading Vivax Evidence
+ Show Spoiler [First Vivax Case] +On April 08 2018 18:08 Calix wrote:
Have access to a keyboard, thank God.
Vivax might be mafia because of how he went about his GB read. First he says that "GB saying he can't post for a while after posting a bunch at the start of the day reads defensive to me" which is typically a mafia trait, and when Damdred questions this read and implies a negative view of Vivax because of it ("kinda a meh read from you"), Vivax's reaction is to call both GB AND Damdred town. Weird progression.
As I see it, it's one of these scenarios:
A) Vivax was always town-reading GB, in which case why did he make the comment about GB being defensive?
B) Vivax was scum-leaning GB until Damdred made a point about why it isn't scummy, then Vivax changed his mind. But then why would you say "yeah he's town"? That's not the response you'd make if someone had changed your mind.
C) Some other scenario I haven't accounted for. However the two I listed were the ones that came to mind when I first read the exchange.
So yes, I'd like an explanation.
I also don't see how the reason he gave for Damdred being town ("I don't see why you wouldn't partially agree with me if you were mafia") is AI.
I agree that GlowingBear is more likely town than not. His posting reads as spontaneous and unplanned to me.
As for his case on me, it's dumb because I DID respond to his vote (after he actually gave reasons) and Eversince's assumption that it was a spite vote was more interesting than a naked vote.
I also want a response from Eversince that clarifies that random town-read she doled out to one of GB/ Calix. Both GB and I asked about that and she ignored both queries to post some irrelevant nonsense. So I am asking again.
+ Show Spoiler [thought Vivax, need reeval] +On April 09 2018 02:54 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 02:44 GlowingBear wrote:
I like the way this game is going.
Skynx, your scumread on me is complete bullshit. I'm trying not to make unflipped association, but daaaamn, that's hard.
Rayn, I don't have a read on you but I'm not scumreading you for lack of commitment. Just so you know. Are you saying Skynx and I are on a scum team here? As for my reads, I think you and Skynx are town. I thought rayn and Vivax were scummy but I need to reevaluate given recent posts. Didn't like Eversince ignoring the 'town read' questions. Don't have a strong opinion on anyone else really, HF non-vote aside.
+ Show Spoiler [Vivax is a better lynch] +On April 09 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:
After EXTENSIVE research - which involved opening some kush filters and ctrl+f-ing "HF" - I have concluded that I only found one game (Holyf***e Mafia) where kush correctly read HF as mafia. But I only looked at some of his recent games in the database.
Also I have no experience with this guy so I do not know how to interpret his current behaviour.
I would probably not lynch ExO_ or currentlyhomeless unless Eversince does something townie instead of just "okay". And even then, I think Vivax is a better lynch since he has yet to say anything intelligent and has nothing but "okay" posts. Which actually makes him more likely to be mafia now that I reflect on his posting because mafia are always trying to make "okay" posts and not much else.
The point about Eversince having a dodgy read on HF is good but I maintain that the Oats read is whack. I just do not comprehend how someone writes that about a player and doesn't think there's mafia motive there.
+ Show Spoiler [Vivax vote + reasoning] +On April 09 2018 22:06 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 22:05 Eversince wrote:On April 09 2018 22:03 AMG wrote:Day 1 Vote count
remaining
Eversince (3): Calix, raynpelikoneet, ExO_ Calix (2): GlowingBear, Oatsmaster Vivax (2): n00bKing, Holyflare Holyflare (1): currentlyhomeless GlowingBear (1): Skynx n00bking (1): Vivax Skynx (1): Tubesock ExO_ (0): raynpelikoneetRaynpelikoneet (0): CalixNot Voting (2):Eversince, Damdred
Currently Eversince is set to be lynched.
Voting is mandatory! Place votes in THIS THREAD (link) I do this because I need to sleep. I am out of time. I am lynch. I need to change this. I will die for this which sucks but whatever. I voted for Vivax just before he posted VC. On April 09 2018 22:17 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 22:05 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:58 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? His evasion of his weird-arse read on me. He called my reasons for scum!rayn "false". He had also accused me of making facts up to scum-read him. WHY DOES HE THINK I'M TOWN? The impression I get is this: He thinks you’re wrong, but that it doesn’t make you scum. However the language both of you are using has looked like its getting more heated. In particular right now you seem really frustrated and angry Calix I’ll take another look at Vivaxs filter but he seems towny to me. In the mean time, what do you think of Holyflare right now Calix? I'm not feeling anything in particular. I think people misread the language I use as being 'angry' when it's just how I talk. If I was actually angry then it would be obvious. I agree with his Vivax posts. However I don't really trust him. He accused rayn after I did. Now he accuses Vivax alongside me. Looks like a pattern. Nothing substantial to back it up, just wary. I would probably not want to lynch him today though. Vivax looks well bad even without HF's points.
+ Show Spoiler [Going hard on Vivax] +On April 09 2018 22:35 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 22:31 Eversince wrote:
I parked my vote noob. I don't honestly know if he's scum but I can't get mislynch. I have to try to survive. And out of the options I think noob is the best place. Admitting Vivax is scum?  Why did you call my reads 'good' when I'm going hard at Vivax? Who you town-read? I >.>
+ Show Spoiler [close to parking vote forever] +On April 09 2018 23:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 23:51 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 23:47 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 23:42 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 23:31 currentlyhomeless wrote:
hmm I need to sleep but there is no one worth sheeping in this game cause HF is scum
sheep me pls
dont disappoint Rayn is likely sheepable but not on ExO, I think that's an incorrect guess. Since rayn also suspects HF of being mafia there is a decent chance that the wagon will get rolling there. We shall see what GB Oats and Damdred think. Could use more Damdred in here as well. Your rayn sentence is weird. He's currently voting for Eversince. It's a bit odd that you qualify rayn being 'sheepable' by saying you wouldn't vote for ExO_, the person who rayn is most likely to switch his vote to. I also do not know why you think ExO_ is town aside from "too bad to be scum" (?). What did you make of his latest posts? Given ES claimed GS there is no way she is getting lynched today. That leaves ExO, HF and maybe you as the next candidates for rayn. Since ExO is a no-go for me atm you can guess where I'll be trying to be ending up with rayn, provided he trusts me enough. If you're 'trying to end up on X' with rayn then that's not you thinking rayn is sheepable, is it? And why is ExO_ a no-go? Are you ever going to explain your reads? Because I'm this close to parking my vote on you forever. On April 09 2018 23:57 Calix wrote:So you share a QT with ExO_, that's nice 
+ Show Spoiler [Vivax hasn’t done anything townie] +On April 10 2018 01:16 Calix wrote:
I don't like the push for Skynx when Vivax hasn't actually done anything townie.
He's just become weirdly emotional. Weird because HF wasn't actually bullying him. So I don't relate to why he got upset.
+ Show Spoiler [explains to Oats V read] +On April 10 2018 01:23 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 09 2018 22:17 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 22:05 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:58 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? His evasion of his weird-arse read on me. He called my reasons for scum!rayn "false". He had also accused me of making facts up to scum-read him. WHY DOES HE THINK I'M TOWN? The impression I get is this: He thinks you’re wrong, but that it doesn’t make you scum. However the language both of you are using has looked like its getting more heated. In particular right now you seem really frustrated and angry Calix I’ll take another look at Vivaxs filter but he seems towny to me. In the mean time, what do you think of Holyflare right now Calix? I'm not feeling anything in particular. I think people misread the language I use as being 'angry' when it's just how I talk. If I was actually angry then it would be obvious. I agree with his Vivax posts. However I don't really trust him. He accused rayn after I did. Now he accuses Vivax alongside me. Looks like a pattern. Nothing substantial to back it up, just wary. I would probably not want to lynch him today though. Vivax looks well bad even without HF's points. How does vivax look bad if you assume HF never posted about him? Isn't this just asking why I think Vivax is mafia? My current opinion is that his posts are bland and uninteresting. He hasn't said anything engaging. He has an entire scum-team theory yet I do not give a damn about ANY of his scum-reads. Instead of pushing his reads, he takes on this defeatist attitude about convincing others to vote for his reads. He called me town despite saying I was pushing rayn for false reasons (which is not a town tell ever) and never explained that despite me asking him about 39580670 times. His reaction to being called out about the "HF pushing me because a mafia's on the line" quote looks like flailing scum to me. I also don't get why he's getting emotional. Which is not necessarily scummy by itself but it's not helping me think he's town.
+ Show Spoiler [want V dead or spew town] +On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wait a minute calix, who do you think is mafia outside of vivax? ExO_. I haven't filtered him since he's not up for lynch at all but he was making some weird, timid posts when I was with him in the thread. The one where he tells Vivax and I to call it off when Vivax and I were not even fighting was out of place. And he hadn't called me town before that post. Otherwise he has "safe" reads and "okay" posts. Fits the profile of mafia skirting by. Damdred possible third. Why damdred? Don't have anyone else I think is mafia at the moment. I don't think much of his actual posts. Why don't you go and look?!? Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia.
+ Show Spoiler [Resistance to V lynch] +On April 10 2018 02:08 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Why damdred? Don't have anyone else I think is mafia at the moment. I don't think much of his actual posts. Why don't you go and look?!? Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia. It's like 2 more hours, stop being dramatic Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier? Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation. So since he answered it and gave that explanation he isn't scum anymore right? Since that was a significant part of your earlier reasons No because I still don't think he's done anything that 'townie' and his posts are more "meh" which is why I am happy with my current vote. If you think I am wrong then point out where he's done something townie and ELI5. I could be tunneled with "Vivax is underperforming mafia", I will admit, but I don't see anything convincing for him being town. Furthermore, there is also a lot of resistance to his lynch and some pushes towards Skynx (who I think is town but we'll see how he responds to this EOD), n00b (I agree he hasn't posted many explicit reads but I am not convinced this is AI for him), myself (pretty terrible D1 lynch if I say so myself), etc. @n00bking, I do not know much about Oats' play so I couldn't tell you, lol.
+ Show Spoiler [static votes mean V scum] +On April 10 2018 02:20 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:08 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Why don't you go and look?!? Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia. It's like 2 more hours, stop being dramatic Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier? Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation. So since he answered it and gave that explanation he isn't scum anymore right? Since that was a significant part of your earlier reasons No because I still don't think he's done anything that 'townie' and his posts are more "meh" which is why I am happy with my current vote. If you think I am wrong then point out where he's done something townie and ELI5. I could be tunneled with "Vivax is underperforming mafia", I will admit, but I don't see anything convincing for him being town. Furthermore, there is also a lot of resistance to his lynch and some pushes towards Skynx (who I think is town but we'll see how he responds to this EOD), n00b (I agree he hasn't posted many explicit reads but I am not convinced this is AI for him), myself (pretty terrible D1 lynch if I say so myself), etc. @n00bking, I do not know much about Oats' play so I couldn't tell you, lol. Literally the only resistance to his lynch is me what the heck. I meant with wagons. Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere. I concluded Vivax because his wagon is the one that's most static and somehow hasn't exceeded three votes despite few people properly town-reading or going out on a leg to defend him.
Basically for 47 of the 48 hours of D1 Calix spent scumreading Vivax. You can see her talking about him quite a lot, she also interacts with him. Her points are reasonable enough. she has ample time and content to re-evaluate. She maintains his scumminess.
Of note are the last two posts “Reistance to V lynch” and “static votes mean V scum”. She basically says that because Vivax only has three votes, mafia must be resisting. Despite also saying no one is really going out on a limb to defend him.
Scondary Scum Reads
+ Show Spoiler [vote for some AFK scrub] +On April 09 2018 03:05 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 02:58 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 02:54 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 02:44 GlowingBear wrote:
I like the way this game is going.
Skynx, your scumread on me is complete bullshit. I'm trying not to make unflipped association, but daaaamn, that's hard.
Rayn, I don't have a read on you but I'm not scumreading you for lack of commitment. Just so you know. Are you saying Skynx and I are on a scum team here?As for my reads, I think you and Skynx are town. I thought rayn and Vivax were scummy but I need to reevaluate given recent posts. Didn't like Eversince ignoring the 'town read' questions. Don't have a strong opinion on anyone else really, HF non-vote aside. Yeah, but I won't do that. It's bad. If you had to choose someone to lynch right now, who it would be? What's bad is you scum-reading myself and my town-read. For shame No idea. Whoever I'm scum-reading by EOD. And if I don't have a proper mafia read by EOD then I'll vote for some AFK scrub.
+ Show Spoiler [Consider some AFK] +On April 09 2018 04:59 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 04:52 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 04:29 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 04:19 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 04:02 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 03:53 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:
Also I'm going to ask why you're still scum-reading me. I've posted quite a lot since you first voted for me. A lot of that posting had actual content in it. And you have not said whether any of that either gave you pause or made you feel more strongly about me. You've just asked some bland questions (what are your reads? Who would you lynch?) which don't specifically relate to anything I have said before you turned up. So I am curious. I skimmed people's posts a bit. I'll read it properly later. I'm asking you these things because... well... that's how I usually play the game. I don't like your read on Skynx, it was way too fast to call him town. I don't understand why you may be calling rayn scum. Vivax being scum for reevaluating stuff that fast doesn't sound scum to me, I actually believe scum would refrain from exposing himself like that. I mean, he gives a scum read, then Damdred says "I don't think you are right because of these reasons", he agrees with those reasons and townreads me. I think it's a reasonable stream of thoughts. That being said, considering your contributions, I'd expect a better scumread. It's easy for mafia to call town people town. Comitting to reasonable calling someone scum, in the other hand, is not safe for mafia. When you posted your scumreads, you said you need to reevaluate. When you posted your townreads, you didn't say anything. It's just... easy to say you're going to lynch someone you find scum by EoD. That's obvious. That's why, although you've contributed, I can't take my weak scumread from you. I admit it's weak, but it is a scumread. Wait, so it's 'way too fast' to call Skynx town but 'you expect a better scum-read' at this point after I just pursued two scum-reads? Really? Is it also not 'way too fast' to call you town as well? I don't know why you think my Skynx town-read is 'too hard and fast' when I've been town-reading you for longer. I posted my scum-reads, then engaged with my scum-reads, then was presented with new information which = reevaluation process. Saying I need to reevaluate after I've had a discussion with my top scum-read is just common sense. Ask better questions then. Also how the fuck am I still a 'weak scumread' for you? That's lame. And hypocritical, if I may say so myself For the fact that you're lecturing me about shit scum-reads, your scum-read on me is shoddy. Uhm, let me express myself better. I'm not arguing about your townread on me. I think it's okay. Skynx, in the other hand, is a townread for a couple of posts that in my POV doesn't make him a strong townread. What he did can be faked (calling someone out then reevaluating right after it, then peacing out). I'd never give a townread on him because of that. I'm okay with your reevaluation process, but until you reevaluate, shouldn't you be lynching who you think it's mafia for now? I'm not lecturing you on anything. I'm as a good player as you are. You have to reevaluate rayn and vivax. I have to reevaluate you. But if you asked me: "who would you be lynching right now?", I would say "Calix", regardless of the need of reevaluation. You have the same weak scumreads as me, but you're not comitting in being lynching anyone. That's... evasive. Non-committal. That is what sounds scummy to me. I hate to break the news to you, but I'm not you. Therefore saying that I'm scummy for reading people for different reasons to you is an invalid argument. I am happy with my town-read on Skynx. Deal with it. Yes, I haven't unvoted and have no plans to. Because unvoting without having someone else to vote for is dumb. But right now, I'm not going to push for a lynch on someone that I am less sure of. So because I didn't respond to a generic question in the way you would, I'm scummy? Again, I'm not you, and accusing me on the basis that I didn't say "Vivax/ rayn" for "best lynches" is pedantic. And non-committal? I've taken more stances than most of the game has. I'm not going to feign confidence in my scum-reads if I am not actually as confident as I used to be. Dude lol calm down. It is a scum-trait to easily call people town and not really comitting to a lynch in the early game. It's not just my opinion. Anyone who has played a lot as mafia knows that calling town people town is a safe play while looking contributive. It's weak, but it is what it is. It's impossible to have a strong scumread when we have less than 20 pages in 24 hours. I'm calm. I'm not sure why people keep thinking I'm not. Must have the verbal equivalent of Resting Bitch Face And yes, this game is ridiculously slow. Can't wait for the inevitable CFDs. Aforementioned slowness is why I am considering lynching some AFK dude even if they're not my strongest scum-read. Lynching a top-poster on D1 is usually a bad idea. And rayn's filter is bigger than mine is.Since you are so concerned about lynch suspects, who among the 'low posters' would you want to lynch aside from Skynx?
+ Show Spoiler [fine w/afk lynch] +On April 09 2018 05:29 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 05:15 Vivax wrote:
I propose to get a wagon on n00bking going to motivate him I'd be fine with an AFK lynch but saying it's gonna 'motivate him' is dumb. Dude has no problem posting as both alignments.
+ Show Spoiler [scum Exo, maybe Damdred] +On April 10 2018 01:40 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wait a minute calix, who do you think is mafia outside of vivax? ExO_. I haven't filtered him since he's not up for lynch at all but he was making some weird, timid posts when I was with him in the thread. The one where he tells Vivax and I to call it off when Vivax and I were not even fighting was out of place. And he hadn't called me town before that post. Otherwise he has "safe" reads and "okay" posts. Fits the profile of mafia skirting by. Damdred possible third.
+ Show Spoiler [no other mafia] +On April 10 2018 01:44 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wait a minute calix, who do you think is mafia outside of vivax? ExO_. I haven't filtered him since he's not up for lynch at all but he was making some weird, timid posts when I was with him in the thread. The one where he tells Vivax and I to call it off when Vivax and I were not even fighting was out of place. And he hadn't called me town before that post. Otherwise he has "safe" reads and "okay" posts. Fits the profile of mafia skirting by. Damdred possible third. Why damdred? Don't have anyone else I think is mafia at the moment. I don't think much of his actual posts.
+ Show Spoiler [Let’s vote Exo or something] +On April 10 2018 04:17 Calix wrote:
We could like, vote ExO or something. A lot of people here think he's scummy but he's never really gained traction.
Here is what I could find of her scum reads and what would happen if Vivax couldn’t be lynched. Three times she said she would be fine with voting an AFK player. She scums Exo and maybe Damdred. Damdred is basically an AFK dude. Her posts did seem like she was confident that she would have a secondary target. Comfortable with AFK, Exo, or Damdred.
The Vivax Towning
+ Show Spoiler [Weirdly static is town] +On April 10 2018 04:12 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 04:10 Damdred wrote:On April 10 2018 04:06 Fecalfeast wrote:Day 1 Vote count
remaining
Vivax (3): n00bKing, Holyflare, Calix, Glowingbear Eversince (0): Calix, raynpelikoneet, ExO_Calix (2): GlowingBear, Oatsmaster, Damdred Holyflare (1): currentlyhomeless GlowingBear (0): Skynxn00bking (2): Vivax, Eversince, ExO_ Skynx (3): Tubesock, Glowingbear, Vivax ExO_ (1): raynpelikoneet raynpelikoneet Raynpelikoneet (0): CalixNot Voting (1):Skynx
Currently Vivax is set to be lynched.
Voting is mandatory! Place votes in THIS THREAD (link) Just my thought but this vote count is horrendous for town I actually agree with you. It is why I am starting to think Vivax might be town despite what I think of his posting. Because there have been a lot of posts but the votes have been weirdly static. Mafia is either AFK or they do not give a damn. Since you could lynch almost anyone here if you wanted to, I think it's option #2.
This is the singular post and argument that unravels 47 hours of thinking and deliberating. Nothing really changed, the votes were still static. Even IF she never posted or thought static votes were indicative of resistance, I don’t see how town!Calix could override her previous thinking.
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+ Show Spoiler [UNVOTING WITHOUT SOMEONE IS DUMB] +On April 09 2018 04:29 Calix wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2018 04:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 04:02 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 03:53 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:
Also I'm going to ask why you're still scum-reading me. I've posted quite a lot since you first voted for me. A lot of that posting had actual content in it. And you have not said whether any of that either gave you pause or made you feel more strongly about me. You've just asked some bland questions (what are your reads? Who would you lynch?) which don't specifically relate to anything I have said before you turned up. So I am curious. I skimmed people's posts a bit. I'll read it properly later. I'm asking you these things because... well... that's how I usually play the game. I don't like your read on Skynx, it was way too fast to call him town. I don't understand why you may be calling rayn scum. Vivax being scum for reevaluating stuff that fast doesn't sound scum to me, I actually believe scum would refrain from exposing himself like that. I mean, he gives a scum read, then Damdred says "I don't think you are right because of these reasons", he agrees with those reasons and townreads me. I think it's a reasonable stream of thoughts. That being said, considering your contributions, I'd expect a better scumread. It's easy for mafia to call town people town. Comitting to reasonable calling someone scum, in the other hand, is not safe for mafia. When you posted your scumreads, you said you need to reevaluate. When you posted your townreads, you didn't say anything. It's just... easy to say you're going to lynch someone you find scum by EoD. That's obvious. That's why, although you've contributed, I can't take my weak scumread from you. I admit it's weak, but it is a scumread. Wait, so it's 'way too fast' to call Skynx town but 'you expect a better scum-read' at this point after I just pursued two scum-reads? Really? Is it also not 'way too fast' to call you town as well? I don't know why you think my Skynx town-read is 'too hard and fast' when I've been town-reading you for longer. I posted my scum-reads, then engaged with my scum-reads, then was presented with new information which = reevaluation process. Saying I need to reevaluate after I've had a discussion with my top scum-read is just common sense. Ask better questions then. Also how the fuck am I still a 'weak scumread' for you? That's lame. And hypocritical, if I may say so myself For the fact that you're lecturing me about shit scum-reads, your scum-read on me is shoddy. Uhm, let me express myself better. I'm not arguing about your townread on me. I think it's okay. Skynx, in the other hand, is a townread for a couple of posts that in my POV doesn't make him a strong townread. What he did can be faked (calling someone out then reevaluating right after it, then peacing out). I'd never give a townread on him because of that. I'm okay with your reevaluation process, but until you reevaluate, shouldn't you be lynching who you think it's mafia for now? I'm not lecturing you on anything. I'm as a good player as you are. You have to reevaluate rayn and vivax. I have to reevaluate you. But if you asked me: "who would you be lynching right now?", I would say "Calix", regardless of the need of reevaluation. You have the same weak scumreads as me, but you're not comitting in being lynching anyone. That's... evasive. Non-committal. That is what sounds scummy to me. I hate to break the news to you, but I'm not you. Therefore saying that I'm scummy for reading people for different reasons to you is an invalid argument. I am happy with my town-read on Skynx. Deal with it. Yes, I haven't unvoted and have no plans to. Because unvoting without having someone else to vote for is dumb. But right now, I'm not going to push for a lynch on someone that I am less sure of. + Show Spoiler +
So because I didn't respond to a generic question in the way you would, I'm scummy? Again, I'm not you, and accusing me on the basis that I didn't say "Vivax/ rayn" for "best lynches" is pedantic. And non-committal? I've taken more stances than most of the game has.
I'm not going to feign confidence in my scum-reads if I am not actually as confident as I used to be.
+ Show Spoiler [waffling n00b] +On April 10 2018 04:25 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 04:24 Vivax wrote:
GlowingBeer could be anyone and whoever it is should be modkilled for that vote. Well I unvoted you anyway. I'm now waffling over whether to vote n00b or not. And it's annoying.
+ Show Spoiler [DON’T know who to vote] +On April 10 2018 04:28 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 04:27 Holyflare wrote:On April 10 2018 04:26 Calix wrote:
Did I miss something? Since when did you think he was town? He's not mafia. Why are you even mentioning him now? Because I DON'T know who to vote for.
Earlier in the day Calix said unvoting someone unless you have someone else in mind is dumb. I think she actually believes that. There’s zero mafia motivation to lie about it.
She had other scum reads and options she REPEATEDLY mentioned. She waffled voting n00b whom she NEVER scummed. She was willing to follow her previous strongest scum read onto n00b. No fucking way will town be willing to vote someone they’ve only said towny things about. It would have been one thing if n00b was an AFKer. But in the posts about AFKers she says lynching an afk dude is better than a top poster (rayn at the time). N00b may not have been a top poster, but he was active and she towned him!! There would be zero consideration for lynching n00b let alone “waffling”.
Despite showing confidence she would just vote an afk if nothing else presented she froze on no one. She unvoted someone she spent a lot of time scumreading without another target. She says that’s dumb. It’s dumb for town, but when you’re mafia you need to look good as possible. And she knew she screwed up when she got off the wagon and was unsure who to vote because all votes would look bad.
I also think the backpedal she did on rayn was super bad too.
+ Show Spoiler [Oats calling Backpedal] +On April 09 2018 10:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 02:09 Calix wrote:Fair play. I can admit that my accusation post was a bit OTT. I was just like "WOO FOUND MAFIA" and wasn't thinking Anyway, the tl;dr of what I was going to say about your wall-post is that I wasn't meaning to 'accuse' GB when I asked him that question. It was just something I found, thought "hey this might be interesting" and posted it because why not, it's the early game. It's not that deep, basically. Vivax was more of an accusation post but not 100% because I wanted clarification first. Dunno, I think the problem here is that you misread my intentions as being more...aggressive? than I intended them to be. And then you think I am scummy because I don't go about doing...whatever it is you think I should be doing. Hard to explain. This doesn't really touch on a lot of what you wrote since, as said, I haven't properly read your post and absorbed it, but you can ask me questions to clarify things I haven't talked about in the meantime. You seem to have more free time now. Also me being a raging hypocrite isn't AI. this is where the backpedal starts
+ Show Spoiler [More Backpedal] +On April 09 2018 10:24 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 02:26 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Of course it is not deep, nothing is at this point. But it really sounded like you gave GB basically no "right" answers. I actually thought it made you a bit townier when you posted the Vivax post and in the same post called GB town but then you stated to call me mafia based on something i think you should realize is basically the opposite of what you said....
If you are really telling the truth about thinking i am mafia because "i should vote for you" why are you not reading Holyflare mafia as he agreed with your case (which if correct makes me mafia) but is not voting for me? I'm aware you have used the 'no right answers' read in the past but that wasn't my intent. All I can really say there. My argument for you being mafia was that you kept calling me things that made me mafia but hadn't really 'committed' yourself to that read which I thought was suspicious. Since a vote would have shown some commitment to the read, I talked about that as an example of 'not showing commitment'. Since you have now cased me, this argument is no longer applicable. I did notice HF not voting for you after calling you "mafia rayn". I just don't have a strong opinion on it other than "that's weird, I'll make a note of that for later" because he hasn't done anything else whereas you had the multiple posts calling me mafia. mm backpedal going strong
+ Show Spoiler [Backpedal Complete] +On April 09 2018 10:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 04:29 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 04:19 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 04:02 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 03:53 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:
Also I'm going to ask why you're still scum-reading me. I've posted quite a lot since you first voted for me. A lot of that posting had actual content in it. And you have not said whether any of that either gave you pause or made you feel more strongly about me. You've just asked some bland questions (what are your reads? Who would you lynch?) which don't specifically relate to anything I have said before you turned up. So I am curious. I skimmed people's posts a bit. I'll read it properly later. I'm asking you these things because... well... that's how I usually play the game. I don't like your read on Skynx, it was way too fast to call him town. I don't understand why you may be calling rayn scum. Vivax being scum for reevaluating stuff that fast doesn't sound scum to me, I actually believe scum would refrain from exposing himself like that. I mean, he gives a scum read, then Damdred says "I don't think you are right because of these reasons", he agrees with those reasons and townreads me. I think it's a reasonable stream of thoughts. That being said, considering your contributions, I'd expect a better scumread. It's easy for mafia to call town people town. Comitting to reasonable calling someone scum, in the other hand, is not safe for mafia. When you posted your scumreads, you said you need to reevaluate. When you posted your townreads, you didn't say anything. It's just... easy to say you're going to lynch someone you find scum by EoD. That's obvious. That's why, although you've contributed, I can't take my weak scumread from you. I admit it's weak, but it is a scumread. Wait, so it's 'way too fast' to call Skynx town but 'you expect a better scum-read' at this point after I just pursued two scum-reads? Really? Is it also not 'way too fast' to call you town as well? I don't know why you think my Skynx town-read is 'too hard and fast' when I've been town-reading you for longer. I posted my scum-reads, then engaged with my scum-reads, then was presented with new information which = reevaluation process. Saying I need to reevaluate after I've had a discussion with my top scum-read is just common sense. Ask better questions then. Also how the fuck am I still a 'weak scumread' for you? That's lame. And hypocritical, if I may say so myself For the fact that you're lecturing me about shit scum-reads, your scum-read on me is shoddy. Uhm, let me express myself better. I'm not arguing about your townread on me. I think it's okay. Skynx, in the other hand, is a townread for a couple of posts that in my POV doesn't make him a strong townread. What he did can be faked (calling someone out then reevaluating right after it, then peacing out). I'd never give a townread on him because of that. I'm okay with your reevaluation process, but until you reevaluate, shouldn't you be lynching who you think it's mafia for now? I'm not lecturing you on anything. I'm as a good player as you are. You have to reevaluate rayn and vivax. I have to reevaluate you. But if you asked me: "who would you be lynching right now?", I would say "Calix", regardless of the need of reevaluation. You have the same weak scumreads as me, but you're not comitting in being lynching anyone. That's... evasive. Non-committal. That is what sounds scummy to me. I hate to break the news to you, but I'm not you. Therefore saying that I'm scummy for reading people for different reasons to you is an invalid argument. I am happy with my town-read on Skynx. Deal with it. Yes, I haven't unvoted and have no plans to. Because unvoting without having someone else to vote for is dumb. But right now, I'm not going to push for a lynch on someone that I am less sure of. So because I didn't respond to a generic question in the way you would, I'm scummy? Again, I'm not you, and accusing me on the basis that I didn't say "Vivax/ rayn" for "best lynches" is pedantic. And non-committal? I've taken more stances than most of the game has. I'm not going to feign confidence in my scum-reads if I am not actually as confident as I used to be. backpedal successful and complete
Already talked about and I quoted Oats for easy finding and cred. I think she got off rayn partly because he would fight hard, people would listen, and no one really agreed. Contrast with Vivax who was semi afk, most people kinda scummed him, and the HF really scummed him. Scumming Vivax is fucking safe. Keeping rayn scummed when he fights back is not safe.
Conclusion, Calix is mafia.
PSDS it isn’t bussing unless you actually vote them.
“Oh, but I can’t be scum to you because it would mean I am getting bussed by my team!”
On April 09 2018 21:11 Calix wrote:Anyway I got to actually opening filters and n00bking is not someone I fancy lynching today. He agrees with me a lot (buddying FTW), is asking good questions and I don't see much of an agenda with his posts. Basically he's doing stuff. Would like some explicit reads so I know where his head's at though. Right now he's consistently made posts which imply I am town, consistently suggests Vivax is mafia, and some posts about a few other players like Eversince. Show nested quote +Envisioning that Eversince is scum, then is she also white-knighting Skynx? Or do you think the way she's defending him feels different, and that he's more likely to be a scummate than just another townie she's trying to cozy up to? Generally I do not make pre-flip associations.
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