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On April 09 2018 20:04 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 19:55 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 18:51 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 17:07 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 17:00 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 16:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Tubesock: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/524561-generic-mini-mafia-iii?user=SkynxOn July 13 2017 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 13 2017 21:40 Skynx wrote:
Meh i'm gona take a break then continue from where i left reading. so you basically did a case on me based on what i said the first couple of hours and without reading the actual explanations at all. man i was so right here: On July 13 2017 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
this guy can go to ignore pile.
he's probably gonna throw if it comes close. Funny thing is it's always "because rayn did the same thing last game as mafia". Without any thinking at all. I did laugh when his first post is a case on you. I didn’t read past page three on his filter. I’ll accept the point that he will always think you’re scummy in any game (if that’s your point). But the only similarities were the first post is a case about you. The games are a bit different. And if he’s self aware at all, something he likely would try to replicate as mafia. I’m up for lynching someone else I guess. Not HF though. Why not HF? I know you said 'his lack of nitpicking' makes him more likely town but you still have him as 'solid null' so I don't really get why you don't want him lynched. I feel somewhat confident I can read him eventually. I think he tries harder as mafia, but also I think the damage a living fairly inactive mafiaHF is less than killing a townHF who just hasn’t had much time to play. He hasn’t done anything that I think makes him town, but so far he’s on the greener shade of null. However, well within his scum range. Lazy scum _____ is more dangerous than lazy town ______ is helpful. Doesn't matter whose name you put in the blank. Not exactly what I said, but ok?
Well what did you mean to say, then? There is at least one word missing in your post, and maybe other errors. I tried to figure it out as best I could, but maybe I missed the mark.
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On April 09 2018 20:06 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:01 Tubesock wrote:
My lynch order would be something like:
Skynx
Currentlyplayless
Vivax, Exo, Damdred
They’re all pretty much the same really.
Doubt i would vote n00bking. Won’t vote for the rest of the game, including Eversince.
I think the only legitimate criticisms for her is her weird reads. I don’t understand her conclusions on Skynx, Damdred, Oats (not so much what she said in her list but our conversation), or Exo. When I talked to her I think she was being honest and open about her opinions. So I’m not faulting her for that. Anyway, I think she’s town. What makes you town-read n00bking strongly enough to say that you 'won't vote [him] for the rest of the game'? Or was that comment just referring to Eversince?
Neither. "rest of the game" means any player he hadn't mentioned yet, not that there is anyone he won't vote for from here on out. He coulda worded that better.
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On April 09 2018 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +
But maybe not the fluffiest thing she's done. I liked when she asked Tubesock what he thought about me, when I hadn't made a post yet. That question is bound to be productive.
I am sorry but how is this productive? Do you think mafia will make up a read on someone who hasnt posted?
I was being sardonic.
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On April 09 2018 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 19:51 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 09 2018 17:43 n00bKing wrote:
Do you not agree that (because answer B *is* what happened) Vivax's posts on the subject seem strange?
No i do not. I already said that. Okay, well you're wrong. Fine, then tell us why it is strange because i dont see it.
I agree with Calix about why it is strange. See Post #161.
I read it the same way you (rayn) read it, that what he was doing was probably "Answer A." When it turned out to be "Answer B" I was like...that doesn't make any sense. As Calix outlined, Vivax didn't sound like someone who had a genuine change in his perception. So if he hadn't gone into the whole thing already townleaning GB before Damdred commented on it....then he didn't phrase things anything like I would, and it comes off very unnatural in my opinion.
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On April 09 2018 20:19 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:07 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 20:04 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 19:55 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 18:51 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 17:07 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 17:00 Tubesock wrote:On April 09 2018 16:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Tubesock: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/524561-generic-mini-mafia-iii?user=SkynxOn July 13 2017 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 13 2017 21:40 Skynx wrote:
Meh i'm gona take a break then continue from where i left reading. so you basically did a case on me based on what i said the first couple of hours and without reading the actual explanations at all. man i was so right here: On July 13 2017 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
this guy can go to ignore pile.
he's probably gonna throw if it comes close. Funny thing is it's always "because rayn did the same thing last game as mafia". Without any thinking at all. I did laugh when his first post is a case on you. I didn’t read past page three on his filter. I’ll accept the point that he will always think you’re scummy in any game (if that’s your point). But the only similarities were the first post is a case about you. The games are a bit different. And if he’s self aware at all, something he likely would try to replicate as mafia. I’m up for lynching someone else I guess. Not HF though. Why not HF? I know you said 'his lack of nitpicking' makes him more likely town but you still have him as 'solid null' so I don't really get why you don't want him lynched. I feel somewhat confident I can read him eventually. I think he tries harder as mafia, but also I think the damage a living fairly inactive mafiaHF is less than killing a townHF who just hasn’t had much time to play. He hasn’t done anything that I think makes him town, but so far he’s on the greener shade of null. However, well within his scum range. Lazy scum _____ is more dangerous than lazy town ______ is helpful. Doesn't matter whose name you put in the blank. Not exactly what I said, but ok? Well what did you mean to say, then? There is at least one word missing in your post, and maybe other errors. I tried to figure it out as best I could, but maybe I missed the mark. It is worse to kill a town HF than let a fairly inactive mafia HF live.
Then I like what I said already. Because if HF is Town, then he's probably as inactive as he appears to be. If he's Scum, there is NO way for everyone to know if he is as inactive as he appears to be.
As Scum, I can largely afk the main thread, while actively crafting and guiding the scum agenda through Day Phases, and suggesting (or simply selecting) what I think would be optimal Night actions.
And even if the Scum player IS truly not applying much energy or effort to the game, an empty shell scum player who is really nothing more than just a warm body provides a lot more value to this team than an empty shell town player provides to his. The only thing a Scum player needs to do in order to significantly benefit his team is not die.
Low-activity scum player is more dangerous than a low-activity town player is helpful.
You saying that you are confident you can read him eventually is valid, though.
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On April 09 2018 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:15 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 09 2018 19:51 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 09 2018 17:43 n00bKing wrote:
Do you not agree that (because answer B *is* what happened) Vivax's posts on the subject seem strange?
No i do not. I already said that. Okay, well you're wrong. Fine, then tell us why it is strange because i dont see it. I agree with Calix about why it is strange. See Post #161. I read it the same way you (rayn) read it, that what he was doing was probably "Answer A." When it turned out to be "Answer B" I was like...that doesn't make any sense. As Calix outlined, Vivax didn't sound like someone who had a genuine change in his perception. So if he hadn't gone into the whole thing already townleaning GB before Damdred commented on it....then he didn't phrase things anything like I would, and it comes off very unnatural in my opinion. Fine. I cant double check rn but from my memory i disagree its an unnatural change in read. Lets see what Vivax has to say about it.
His (single-page) filter would tell you what he has to say about it. And (if you're Town) you probably found his responses convincing, and that's why you don't remember there being anything unnatural about it. That's fine, but I think differently. So let's see what *other people* have to say about it, too.
Because Vivax seems to be sitting at around #2 or #3 or #4 in a lot of people's lynch lists, but there weren't any votes against him.
Think a couple of people have mentioned that they haven't really liked HIS level of effort in the game, and then he voted the AFK player, with the stated goal of "motivating" him. I don't remember having any luck trying to get (Town) Vivax to vote against AFK players, in the most recent games.
Side note: Are we sure that Eversince is not a "smurf" account that's just been used more than once? Are the smurfs always revealed at the end of the game or anything like that?
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On April 09 2018 20:46 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The more i think about it i think i am being dumb and should vote for eversince. Aside everything else said i thought eversince's read on exo could make her town bit it is in fact not so. Either theyre both mafia or she has TMI. After all exo is calling me and gb mafia for ahady reasons, both of who eversince townreads. Why is her read on exo "i liked some things exo said but i dont remember which things". Like... the read on me/gb is ALL exo has talked about.
##unvote
##vote eversince I wanted to clarify here, what GB did still weirds me out. I still don't understand why he picked you to ask a question about, and an active player. That flow doesn't make sense to me
GlowingBear said "I remember rayn was really good with opening posts, that's why I inquired him."
You might decide that he's lying or that his explanation still doesn't make sense to you, but I want to make sure you at least have seen what he already said about it.
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On April 09 2018 21:13 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 21:02 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 20:46 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The more i think about it i think i am being dumb and should vote for eversince. Aside everything else said i thought eversince's read on exo could make her town bit it is in fact not so. Either theyre both mafia or she has TMI. After all exo is calling me and gb mafia for ahady reasons, both of who eversince townreads. Why is her read on exo "i liked some things exo said but i dont remember which things". Like... the read on me/gb is ALL exo has talked about.
##unvote
##vote eversince I wanted to clarify here, what GB did still weirds me out. I still don't understand why he picked you to ask a question about, and an active player. That flow doesn't make sense to me GlowingBear said "I remember rayn was really good with opening posts, that's why I inquired him." You might decide that he's lying or that his explanation still doesn't make sense to you, but I want to make sure you at least have seen what he already said about it. Correct I have seen it, but have trouble swallowing that as an explanation. Why would he ask for and expect a response from a player who isnt there?
Cuz he'll be there laterrrrr. You can't only ask questions of people who are present in the thread with you at the moment.
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On April 09 2018 21:22 Vivax wrote:
I find rayns posts very coherent to read. They are just long, but he doesn't beat around the bush. He is also town so I will defend him to my last breath.
How do you know he's Town? That seems like something you forgot to mention. Along with you forgetting to mention THAT he's Town, til now. You passed out townreads to multiple players, but he hadn't been one of them.
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On April 09 2018 21:48 currentlyhomeless wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 19:52 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 18:38 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 09 2018 17:55 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Of course it is not deep, nothing is at this point. But it really sounded like you gave GB basically no "right" answers. I actually thought it made you a bit townier when you posted the Vivax post and in the same post called GB town but then you stated to call me mafia based on something i think you should realize is basically the opposite of what you said....
If you are really telling the truth about thinking i am mafia because "i should vote for you" why are you not reading Holyflare mafia as he agreed with your case (which if correct makes me mafia) but is not voting for me? Would be a better question if Holyflare were voting against someone else instead of you. Rather than how he's just not voting. there we go... can you tell me what Holyflare actually did though? No. Can you tell me what Holyflare actually did? yeah, probably but if you can’t read that isn’t my problem. Are you kush?
"yeah, probably"
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On April 09 2018 22:10 Eversince wrote:
if we have no medic, i die tonight.
Well there's no such thing as a medic in this ruleset, so that makes things easy.
There could be a Jailer though. 
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On April 09 2018 22:17 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 22:05 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:58 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? His evasion of his weird-arse read on me. He called my reasons for scum!rayn "false". He had also accused me of making facts up to scum-read him. WHY DOES HE THINK I'M TOWN? The impression I get is this: He thinks you’re wrong, but that it doesn’t make you scum. However the language both of you are using has looked like its getting more heated. In particular right now you seem really frustrated and angry Calix I’ll take another look at Vivaxs filter but he seems towny to me. In the mean time, what do you think of Holyflare right now Calix? I'm not feeling anything in particular. I think people misread the language I use as being 'angry' when it's just how I talk.
It's the "resting bitch face" that you mentioned earlier. *nods* :D
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On April 09 2018 22:31 Eversince wrote:
I parked my vote noob. I don't honestly know if he's scum but I can't get mislynch. I have to try to survive. And out of the options I think noob is the best place.
Why would that be the best place?
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Question Font:
1) The potential roles are not split by allegiance. Are some roles available to either allegiance? And if not, where is the dividing line (if we're allowed to know)?
2) Is role duplication possible? (ie, more than one player having the same role)
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On April 10 2018 00:28 Vivax wrote:
Starting a massive chainsaw that I declare concluded cause no matter how hard you try to misrep what I said, it's all coherent if you don't only focus on that single part of that single post.
So what are you saying? Are you saying that single part of that single post shouldn't be there, and it was a mistake for you to put it there?
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On April 10 2018 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Head says leave the claim alive heart says dont because es wants to give gun to probably calix because her reads are good but the difference in pur reads is bas8cally exo and vivax and es hard-townreads vivax who calix scumreads.
For one thing, if we leave ES alive, we don't let her choose who to give a gun to. We would take a vote or something, to tell HER who to give the gun to.
If she's Town and there's no Mafia roleblocker, then she should be verified pretty quickly (even if by death). If she's Town and there IS a Mafia roleblocker, then it would keep the roleblocker tied up indefinitely at least.
But if we assume there are more Vanillas than power roles, her claim makes her more likely to be scum than she was before she made it.
But all that depends upon Gunsmith being a Town-only role. If the rules allow for a Mafia Gunsmith (and I can't see any way to tell, which is why I posted the rules question), then letting her verify her role by passing a gun is pointless anyway.
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On April 10 2018 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 19:10 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 15:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 09 2018 14:59 Eversince wrote:On April 09 2018 14:57 Tubesock wrote:
Ever means that despite half the thread giving Rayne heat not a single one was mafia therefore all who did were town. That if mafia tries to lynch someone halfway through the day they will surely succeed and would only do it in one coordinated effort. No I meant if it was a mafia driven lynch they would of just beat around the bush for 24 hrs then fucked off. They would of setup a diversion, and a backup, and pushed off onto one of those after Rayn failed. This whole concept is why Skynx isn't scum. Stop voting for him darnit. you give way too much credit for scum teamplay. Based on Eversince's super-low post count, I would assume the vast majority of her Mafia experience comes from elsewhere. And I think a lot of what she's said would make sense for non-TL games, where you DO see a lot more coordination, strategy, and a well-defined "scum agenda" than what is often seen in the games here, where you sometimes wouldn't be able to tell if all the scum players were actually even reading the scum QT during Day Phases, and most members of the team are just doing whatever comes into their heads, without any planning, or forethought, or understanding of how it will impact their teammates. But anyway, even if Scum were to set up "a diversion" and "a backup" that doesn't mean that a scum Skynx's teammates would have to help him out with a push against a town rayn, before gauging the TOWN'S interest in pursuing the lynch. So even once I decide that her premise is logical for non-TL games, I still don't think her premise actually supports her conclusion. Skynx could easily be Town, but this is not good reasoning for deciding that he's Town. What's the point of this post?
It explains to you that I think you should have been attacking her eventual conclusion (about the townread on Skynx, and how she reached it), and not her initial premise (about how a team of Mafia would or should operate).
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On April 10 2018 00:47 Fecalfeast wrote:Day 1 Vote count
Well hi there.
Ummm...bump?
On April 09 2018 23:09 n00bKing wrote:
Question Font:
1) The potential roles are not split by allegiance. Are some roles available to either allegiance? And if not, where is the dividing line (if we're allowed to know)?
2) Is role duplication possible? (ie, more than one player having the same role)
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On April 10 2018 00:53 Holyflare wrote:
Noobking, why do you point out rayn's wall of texts being unreadable when you were doing the same the past few games? Why does it make him mafia-ish?
I wasn't talking about walls of text at all. I had been talking about early posts, before the walls came. What will make his filter useless to town players later in the game is that you can't tell what he's responding to, who he's talking about, or in some cases, who he's even talking TO.
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On April 10 2018 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 00:53 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 00:47 Fecalfeast wrote:Day 1 Vote count Well hi there. Ummm...bump? On April 09 2018 23:09 n00bKing wrote:
Question Font:
1) The potential roles are not split by allegiance. Are some roles available to either allegiance? And if not, where is the dividing line (if we're allowed to know)?
2) Is role duplication possible? (ie, more than one player having the same role)
Roles are split by alignment based on their name.
What does that mean? Where is the "split" then?
On April 10 2018 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Role duplication not possible
How do you know? It was possible in the last game, and this set of rules doesn't specify.
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