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On April 21 2018 09:02 Tubesock wrote:I went through the last ten pages of TL Mafia and looked at Fecalfeasts 13 player games. None even had three blues let alone four. So town needs to determine if it’s possible both of us are fakeclaiming, or just the one of us. BH’s motivation to claim is purely because there’s nothing else mafia can do here. This and keeping me alive is the only thing they can do to create chaos enough to possibly win. Here’s the games: Names Are Hard 2, 1 parity cop, 1 jailer, 1 Miller vs rb, rc, goon. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2#2Names Are Hard; Tracker, Doc, wanderer vs rb, rc, goon http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509751-names-are-hard-mini-mafia#2A Normal Game (for JAT); Vig, Doc vs RB, GF, Goon http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/506344-a-normal-game-just-for-jat-3#2Generic Boring Mini Mafia; innocent child, vet vs vig, RB, goon http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485325-generic-boring-mini-mafia?page=73#1443Mafia Mini Mafia 2; JK, vig vs vig, rb, goon http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480965-mafia-mini-mafia2-another-miniature-game-of-mafia#2Mafia Mini Mafia; cop, vig vs gf, rb, goon http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479158-mafia-mini-mafia-a-miniature-game-of-mafia#2Metal Mini Mafia; cop, vig vs rb, gf, goon http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafiahttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?page=94Conclusion, CH is trying the Hail Mary play. The day before he tried flinging shade everywhere but it wasn’t making any headway. Claim jk and all of a sudden new worlds open for him. I thought Exo could have been faking it days ago because through the five pages of games I looked FF only used two blues in his games. There’s zero chance that if CH was jk he wouldn’t have immediately scumread me. 0% chance. No way.
1. I’ve never played in a FF game and I’ve already established I don’t WIFOM myself on balance.
2. “I thought exo could have been faking it days ago” is a straight up lie, I specifically recall you saying that you considered me 100% town and believed exo’s claim.
Finally this:
On April 16 2018 21:18 Tubesock wrote:
Calix is right though. Setup / balance talk is kinda dumb. I don’t know how fecal balances games.
so convenient for you to go back on your word now
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also this completely omits that both me and exo pointed out what we thought were fake crumbs from HF and Calix
if I thought both HF and Calix were scum who got ninjaed on blue claiming then why the fuck would I disbelieve either you or exo
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On April 14 2018 18:52 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 17:53 Skynx wrote:
Bah Tubesock is full tinfoil mode and homeless is mafia.
It's not too bad actually, if rayn and Oats are sane we should still have the lynch. I get way more tinfoil than this game. CH is the only person alive in the game I think is truly 100% town. Not even Exo is and I believe his claim.
I’m sorry what?
After he flipped if you’re a real blue why would you think HF and Calix are not scum for the crumbs?? Instead afterward you did whatever was opportune. You actually said next to nothing on Oats, just that Calix made good points or whatever.
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I’m fairly certain now HF was right about the rolecop. I must’ve been rolecopped n1 or n2.
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actually hmm.
nah that doesn’t make any sense
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On April 21 2018 09:31 Tubesock wrote:
Uh I thought both of them were scum for their crumbs.....why did I vote HF the day we lynched Oats? It’s pretty clear before I claimed I was going for Calix.
You’re really stretching.
no, you never talked about them crumbing until I did. lol
you can’t sheep me on a read I made and then claim you came up with it yourself.
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On April 21 2018 09:42 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 09:36 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 21 2018 09:31 Tubesock wrote:
Uh I thought both of them were scum for their crumbs.....why did I vote HF the day we lynched Oats? It’s pretty clear before I claimed I was going for Calix.
You’re really stretching. no, you never talked about them crumbing until I did. lol you can’t sheep me on a read I made and then claim you came up with it yourself. I didn’t notice HFs as a crumb till you pointed to it. Sure. Vivax was first in thread to identify Calix’s crumb. My first post after day post was telling her to claim or not. And I posted the crumb she left. You had nothing to do with me scumming Calix for her crumb.
you were the first person to reply to HF’s post and he even asked you why he would 180 his read on rayn. so this a complete lie, if you were actually blue you would have known what he was doing immediately
you are right re: Calix though, I myself didn’t notice until I reread because the whole time I was ignoring Calix’s oosts
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On April 18 2018 15:02 currentlyhomeless wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2018 14:58 Holyflare wrote:
I've posted why I did it so it's quite obvious. It's scummy for you to push this now when you knew it existed last cycle and said absolutely nothing about it. no actually i legitimately didnt think about it last cycle, so sorry nice try also exo was alive last cycle and there was still the chance he was scum. i actually didnt believe either of you or rayn were scum. but actually you pointing out that exo wouldnt claim in that situation as scum sort of made sense. but really i never stopped and thought about why you would crumb cop there at all until just now.
^ I even talked about this with HF
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On April 21 2018 09:58 Tubesock wrote:
It was 5a or so at the time of those posts. So, I’ll forgove myself for missing it.
And uh but if you’re blue, you missed it too until well after...so the argument that I had to have seen it is false.
true. so it doesn’t mean anything for either of us.
which incidentally proves my point. given the info I had there was no reason for me to immediately disbelieve your claim like you say I should.
literally the only reason you have is balance.
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On April 21 2018 10:06 Tubesock wrote:
Uh, isn’t that what I’ve been saying? Why post FF’s hosted games so people can see there’s zero chance of four blues if that’s not something I believe?
I changed to scumread you after Oats died because there’s never a world where a scum votes their scumbuddy three days in a row without any other vote.
AND you claim now? Lol from my point of view it’s the most desperate play. Hail Mary. The only play you can do as mafia. Everything else loses.
balance is your out and your reason to stop scumreading Calix is because scum don’t vote their partner 3 days in a row lol
if I am scum and you are town I would have shot you. There is no world in which Vivax dies where I am scum
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rayn why would your first assumption be me & Calix instead of the more obvious me & HF
how are you so sure one of you is a miller?
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On April 21 2018 19:07 Holyflare wrote:
What I still don't understand is why you keep going on about 4 blues being acceptable ch but then scum reading tubesock?
those are two different things
I didn’t and don’t believe tube is scum based on balance.
I believe tube is scum because I gave him several hours to talk with me and he isn’t trying to figure out the game at all.
It also explains a lot of other things about the game which didn’t make sense to me earlier. For instance I thought you were scum based on the blue crumb and your interactions with me. When I stepped back and reread the game from the perspective that tube could be scum and my d2 toneread on him was wrong, I actually saw that he really actually has been pretty lazy all game. Then I tried to figure out who would be more likely to be scum with tube, you or rayn. And realized it cannot be you because of that exact blue crumb shit. How likely would it be that a scum would fake claim one thing while a buddy crumbs something else, then talks to them in thread about it? Seems kinda strange to me.
This also sort of explains the Vivax wifom. Like why was he shot n1, and him being shot n4 may actually not mean anything significant.
Finally when compared to you Rayn being scum with tube makes more sense because today rayn also has fucked off and done nothing. Meanwhile a good number of your posts actually make sense.
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Calix I cannot quote your post bc on my phone I cannit scroll all the way to the bottom of it due to nested quotes of tube U guess. Or at least it looks like it would break my hand.
anyway I will say I’m pretty terrible at telling apart bad townies from scum, which is why I toneread town and called him a scub several times in the early game. However at the time one of the things that really struck me as odd about his posts was actually how hard he defended ever.
So I actually came to the opposite conclusion as you because based on the info we all had, town tube should not have been hard defending ever prior to flip. I thought in particular his assertion that he understands her mindset because she is tired and very busy etc. a huge overreach and if it were a better player/someone who I think has good reads I definitely would have found that suspicious.
That was something I socked in the back of my head as “this was an extremely weird defense, almost as if tube knows ever will flip town here” and then promptly forgot about it the day after because much weirder shit happened.
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btw Calix if you want another example of how I think you have consistently misrepresented me this game, the comment about me not talking about tube at all is one of them.
if I still thought you had any chance of being scum here that would make me tunnel the shit out of you.
but anyway IIRC you yourself said there is no point to posting all your thoughts all the time and I agree with that statement. In particular I don’t find it useful to talk about when I am reading someone as town or why I am reading them as town unless that has some relevance to what’s happening in thread (for example if my townread is being scumread and I strongly believe they will be mislynched)
anyway as phone posting is incredibly hard I cannot easily quote my own posts and format nicely for you so if you want to see proof that what I am saying is actually the truth and not some made up scum bs you can go find in my filter any post where I talk to tube directly d2 or d3. Probably p4 in my filter is a good place to start. For instance I asked him why he was townreading ever. Based on what I’ve just told you about my thought process on ever and how tube defended ever why do you think I would have asked him that at that stage in the game if I were scum? If I were scum I could have just let it be because I would have no need to figure out the game.
Secondly if you read my posts with tube you can easily tell I was townreading him even though I didn’t say it because of 1. how I actually interacted with him and wanted to know his thought process and 2. when I talked about the off-wagon voters scumreading each other despite having the same reads I specifically said tube looked the best
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On April 22 2018 00:50 Holyflare wrote:
why did you do nothing d1 bugs?
I didn’t do nothing.
but I can understand why you would say that 
in all honesty I just didn’t have enough time the first couple of (RL) days. I tried to force some interactions, with you especially.
after that since for whatever reason kush posted and made everyone think I was him I decided to roll with it while still playing the game in my own way since at the very least that would keep me from being shot by scum
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On April 22 2018 01:04 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2018 00:48 currentlyhomeless wrote:
btw Calix if you want another example of how I think you have consistently misrepresented me this game, the comment about me not talking about tube at all is one of them.
if I still thought you had any chance of being scum here that would make me tunnel the shit out of you.
but anyway IIRC you yourself said there is no point to posting all your thoughts all the time and I agree with that statement. In particular I don’t find it useful to talk about when I am reading someone as town or why I am reading them as town unless that has some relevance to what’s happening in thread (for example if my townread is being scumread and I strongly believe they will be mislynched)
anyway as phone posting is incredibly hard I cannot easily quote my own posts and format nicely for you so if you want to see proof that what I am saying is actually the truth and not some made up scum bs you can go find in my filter any post where I talk to tube directly d2 or d3. Probably p4 in my filter is a good place to start. For instance I asked him why he was townreading ever. Based on what I’ve just told you about my thought process on ever and how tube defended ever why do you think I would have asked him that at that stage in the game if I were scum? If I were scum I could have just let it be because I would have no need to figure out the game.
Secondly if you read my posts with tube you can easily tell I was townreading him even though I didn’t say it because of 1. how I actually interacted with him and wanted to know his thought process and 2. when I talked about the off-wagon voters scumreading each other despite having the same reads I specifically said tube looked the best Well now that you've explained some of your game philosophy, I think it's NAI. I don't think people lie about things like that usually.
I agree, I don’t think people lie about how they play. However I hope you realize that if you are saying this in response to my scum bs comment, I wasn’t referring to my playstyle, I was referring to my read progression on tube.
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if we could no lynch the game would be over.
I would suggest no one voting tomorrow but Tube would not agree to that and even if he did he’d just vote one of us at the end anyway.
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anyway direct my prot if you want, it won’t actually matter who I pick.
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On April 22 2018 06:42 Holyflare wrote:
Also your oats slip was bad lol
hmmm?
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On April 22 2018 05:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2018 04:57 Calix wrote:On April 22 2018 04:54 Holyflare wrote:On April 22 2018 04:38 Calix wrote:
Actually, wait. I just realised that tonight is 100% a no-kill.
Think about it. Bugs is claiming Jailkeeper. If he's town, he knows Tubesock is mafia. He just roleblocks Tubesock to block the kill.
If Tubesock is town then Bugs just shoots Tubesock once and claims that he roleblocked Tubesock.
So looks like it'll be a 3v1.
why do you think he is "jk" lol? I don't. I'm saying he has to enforce a no-kill regardless of his alignment. No, my point is of all the roles bugs could have claimed he picked the one that would survive the night and enforce this scenario. Why do you think he only claimed when rayn was confirmed the kill? That's their rber so tube can't die so it was the only claim he could do. Bugs should heal me so that calix is forced to die. It changes nothing, clears up calix's alignment and doesn't allow tube to fake claim soaking a bullet if he's mafia.
the first part doesn’t make sense to me actually
I actually thought tube was the RBer. In which case the townie between you and rayn would have been confirmed dead. So it actually makes no difference because if rayn was town we would’ve lost and if you’re town you just get shot and it’s Calix me Tube in LYLO.
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