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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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currentlyhomeless
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how are you so sure one of you is a miller? | ||
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Calix
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On April 21 2018 12:02 currentlyhomeless wrote: rayn why would your first assumption be me & Calix instead of the more obvious me & HF how are you so sure one of you is a miller? He claims you're lying and that since HF would never allow you to make the JK claim, HF must be town. It's a dumb argument but it's indicative of the quality of rayn's arguments this game so no surprises there. | ||
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Calix
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On April 21 2018 07:50 currentlyhomeless wrote: have you actually read my posts? Like you say I misrepresent you and then you write that I accepted tube as town with no critical thinking lol. Go back and reread my posts. I toneread tube as town going into d3, before he claimed. Specifically, I thought max one of tube/exo/skynx was scum. Also due to the way D3 tube and exo claim, we killed Skynx. I didn’t really talk about it much in thread except for the miller shit, but I was skeptical of exo at that point more than I was skeptical of tube. However I decided to accept both of the claims eventually because I thought the timing was too good to be scum. Clearly I was wrong. After that, we flipped skynx and I had to reeval. I became less confident in all my townreads, but that’s not something I talk about in thread because townreads are easily manipulable. At the time I thought Vivax might be scum due to the fact that I felt he wasn’t reading the thread at all. Anyway you can go back and reread my posts if you like. Town motivation for my claim is pretty clear. Vivax posted some scenarios before dying. I actually thought he had solved the game with HF & Calix scumteam and that’s why he was going to get shot. If I were scum I would have no reason to shoot Vivax, and then claim jailer when I could have just shot tube and then voted HF with Vivax and rayn. Yes, I did read your posts and noticed how little you talked about Tubesock up to and including D3. And given that a lot of your defense here is "I didn't post XYZ in the thread/ didn't want to talk about XYZ" it's a bit silly to berate me for 'not reading your posts'. On April 21 2018 07:56 currentlyhomeless wrote: also Calix, Vivax hadn’t changed his opinion all game. If I am scum why would I post before day that I think everyone will be alive? If it’s because I am scum, then first of all I would know that not everyone will be alive, and then I claim jailer with a prot on Vivax anyway?? That’s just stupid and makes no sense. If I were scum and tube is really a vet why wouldn’t I just leave Vivax alive by shooting tube so that my claim comes out stronger? Like look at Tube’s reaction to my claim. He doesn’t try to refute anything, he just laughs at me saying I protted Vivax and Vivax died on the same night as if that means I’m lying. Why the fuck have scum done anything this game? Who knows? It's already established that using the "why would I do X as mafia?" argument means almost nothing for anyone's alignments so don't think that's going to work as a defense now. The only thing that's going to save your hide is you going into Tubesock's filter and telling me how his entire game play comes from mafia. Tubesock is invited to do the same with you. I'm going to filter Tubesock now. Have been meaning to do this for a while but real life comes first. Also I have to do it within the next hour or two so that Tubesock can see and respond to it. | ||
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Holyflare
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On April 21 2018 10:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: fucking miller. bleh hf. That's on you buddy. | ||
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Calix
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Some things I liked: - Decent early game, seems thoughtful and not opportunistic. - Interactions with Eversince are good. He doesn't try dirt-shoveling Eversince for defending his scum-reads (Skynx, Calix), he doesn't attack Eversince for disagreeing with him, he just says what he thinks and then 'agrees to disagree'. - Takes strong stances (scum-reading Skynx, town-reading Eversince, scum-reading me, etc) but shows a willingness to consider other opinions. - Remarkably consistent. Things I did not like: - Those two big wall-posts about Eversince and Calix. Anyone who writes a post that is larger than my own wall-posts better have a good reason for it. And the two wall-posts Tubesock made just reiterated arguments that were already in the thread. - Hard defended Oats and rayn a lot for pretty much the entire game. Later goes and has CH as "more town than ExO" during D3. Scum-read townies for pretty much the entire game. - His switch from scum-reading me to town-reading me was weird and not that well-explained aside from "I liked Calix's recent [D3] posts". - Not doing much in LYLO. - Seemed intimately familiar with Vivax's recent reads when it came to defending himself against night kill WIFOM. + Show Spoiler [Some relevant Tubesock posts] + On April 08 2018 14:58 Tubesock wrote: Hi! Glad you’re playing again. I like that you pointed out the awkward exchange concerning Calix, but I just don’t agree it’s indicative. I think a mafia would be more scared about getting a vote placed on them this early and a town wouldn’t really care. Town will/should be able to get their town light to shine. On April 09 2018 06:58 Tubesock wrote: Skynx, I feel like your case on GB and Rayn was 1/2 trolly 1/2 real. Rayne answered you, and you seem appeased. Are you townreading him? Have your thoughts on GB changed at all? I’m comfortable townreading Rayne and GB. Calix I don’t know about. I didn’t agree with any of the Rayne criticism and they seemed a tad nit picky. It reminded me of noobking in my last game (noob was scum). But I do like the activity and she seems to be looking at everything. On April 09 2018 12:30 Tubesock wrote: Unsure. I want to hear Skynx’s answer to my questions. But if eod was now, I’d vote him. But I can vote anyone but GB, Rayne, you. I don’t like HF as a day 1 lynch, so pretty doubtful I’d vote him (83.7839% certainty) I still think GB is funny. So tone read I guess. I’ve liked everything I’ve seen Rayne say. I think you and I are pretty much on the same page concerning Skynx and Calex. With the exception that I want to see more from Calex as the game goes on. I’m uncertain if her “reevaluating” is genuine or not. She’s mentioned it enough in other reads that I feel like she’s projecting her strategy if she is mafia. But it seems to me that people get called out less for tunneling so being obstinate would benefit her if she were scum rather than reevaluating. I do not like her vote at all. Especially since she doesn’t even scum read Rayne anymore. On April 09 2018 14:25 Tubesock wrote: HF is solid null to me. I think your point concerning lack of nit picking makes him more likely town. I’m super unlikely to vote him. Exo, n00b, CH I would support lynching. It’s policy though. I was really hoping CH was BH and would post pics of moving boxes to be hilariously trolly. But it’s Kush. Who I generally find super funny too though so still fun. If he played. I really liked Oats stuff on Skynx and Calex. I like his straight to the point tone. He’s solid town for me. On April 09 2018 14:37 Tubesock wrote: Start at the mid portion of page 15. Oats points out the backpedaling. And the easy townreading from Calex on Skynx. On April 09 2018 15:11 Tubesock wrote: Last comment about this I swear. 1) its a terrible case. Why? Time stamps lies. Time stamps is a super nit picky thing, right? Do you think scum have to fabricate their cases, sometimes by finding any little thing so they can to fabricate a case? I do. And I think Skynx fabricated it so he could look productive. I also think he did it to blend in without risking too much attention. We will have to agree to disagree. On April 09 2018 16:52 Tubesock wrote: Sooo Currentlyhomeless is actively lurking and blatantly not playing. I’m not even sure mafia would be that blatant. On April 09 2018 17:00 Tubesock wrote: I did laugh when his first post is a case on you. I didn’t read past page three on his filter. I’ll accept the point that he will always think you’re scummy in any game (if that’s your point). But the only similarities were the first post is a case about you. The games are a bit different. And if he’s self aware at all, something he likely would try to replicate as mafia. I’m up for lynching someone else I guess. Not HF though. On April 09 2018 18:51 Tubesock wrote: I feel somewhat confident I can read him eventually. I think he tries harder as mafia, but also I think the damage a living fairly inactive mafiaHF is less than killing a townHF who just hasn’t had much time to play. He hasn’t done anything that I think makes him town, but so far he’s on the greener shade of null. However, well within his scum range. On April 09 2018 20:01 Tubesock wrote: My lynch order would be something like: Skynx Currentlyplayless Vivax, Exo, Damdred They’re all pretty much the same really. Doubt i would vote n00bking. Won’t vote for the rest of the game, including Eversince. I think the only legitimate criticisms for her is her weird reads. I don’t understand her conclusions on Skynx, Damdred, Oats (not so much what she said in her list but our conversation), or Exo. When I talked to her I think she was being honest and open about her opinions. So I’m not faulting her for that. Anyway, I think she’s town. On April 10 2018 09:45 Tubesock wrote: HF is right. Posts #1003 & 1004 demonstrate pretty clearly that Calex was just talking to be active and appearing hip. She froze up cause she didn’t know where to make her vote look the best. Last two n00b votes were at 14 and 7 minutes prior to deadline. Exo’s was at 21 minutes prior. Fairly last minute I guess, I can see how that could feel like 5 seconds. But I don’t get why she wouldn’t just vote exo or Damdred as they were scummed by her and also basically AFK players if she were town. Her filter is actually quite barren of scum reads. Eversince, I hope you give the gun to Rayn. I’d be fine with HF also. I’d just shoot Calex, currentlyhomeless, or Skynx with it. I don’t even know if I’d shoot Skynx with it. I want to see what he does in the next 36 hours. On April 10 2018 09:52 Tubesock wrote: Huh? I don’t think you’re seeing Vivax objectively. Like he is trying to respond to you but you keep burying him with stuff. Isn’t the old Vivax famous for inconsistencies and tin foils? I’m too dumb to understand why he’s being any different this game. But I do like pretty much all his reads. On April 10 2018 15:46 Tubesock wrote: I don’t agree with you concerning rayn. They’re all pretty subjective points that add up to him not being the wrecking force he normally is right? If that’s your point, I think it’s due to being busier in life. Same thing happened to HF and why he plays differently now. I also don’t really agree with the points you brought up. I think he dropped homeless once he realized Kush was trolling. Eversince’s reads are a hot mess, so not sure how his reasonings are weak (you even scum read her, what are your strong reasons?), he posted several times to get Exo lynched. “Try” I guess would be subjective. On April 10 2018 20:35 Tubesock wrote: Thunderstorm rolling through so internet is moody. Skynx is too scum for me. CurrentlyHomeless is completely unreadable so we have to figure out how to get rid of him. I think the last mafia would be in Damdred, or Exo. I think I’m pretty confident HF is town. In the next few days I’ll reevaluate Rayn, GB, Oats. There’s always one in my townpile. But I think more votes and night kills help figure that out. HF has stepped up in my opinion. So probably won’t relook at him till d3 when I wonder why he’s alive. On April 10 2018 20:56 Tubesock wrote: I have a really tough time with your eod. I’ve only seen two people drop a vote like that and freeze. They were both mafia. I also don’t think I’d ever agree about your reasoning to jump off Vivax. That being said, Exo’s being pretty opportunistic here and I’d jump his ass pretty hard if you didn’t have that eod you did. Or I thought your reasoning was logical. Or you still held the vote. You have 55 hours or whatever to make up for it though. Exo looks more scummy than he was before. I don’t like his rayn attack either. Damdred’s been totally worthless and forgettable. He vanishes a lot due to real life though which is sad, but it’s still anti town. On April 10 2018 21:07 Tubesock wrote: I’ve been saying he’s town all game. My reasonings haven’t changed at all. I’m willing to bet his “chill and do nothing” is him living a life outside of mafia. Otherwise known as just busy. And frankly, you can not criticize him for not being around all the time. On April 10 2018 21:29 Tubesock wrote: The only thing I didn’t like about rayn was his final read on Eversince. I didn’t think Calix’ case was that good. The only things Calix had right in it were weird reads. Arguably, you can say her point about Eversince only scumming AFK’s is true. But so is the entire game soooooo....yeah. I read you scummy for your first case. Scumming you for your case wasn’t weak, your case was that bad. On April 11 2018 09:24 Tubesock wrote: Oats, your filter isn’t exactly a friendly place to find your reads. Are you still at mafia = Calix, CH*, You’re townreading HF, Damdred (annoyed), Vivax I can’t really tell what you think about rayn or Eversince or Skynx. On April 11 2018 09:31 Tubesock wrote: Do HF and you mostly fight it out like this every game? I don’t play often but I remember two of my last few games you two did this and were both town. One of the games you were blue, fakeclaimed, he CC’d as vigi (actually was) and town killed you. Basically, is this not very normal so I should look deeper into this or not? I think you’re both town. On April 11 2018 10:26 Tubesock wrote: Also ##Vote Skynx. Add GB’s dying wish and killing n00b for no reason to the scummy list. Plus he hasn’t done anything and will probably let this Eversince distraction keep going. On April 11 2018 10:32 Tubesock wrote: Those could be true realities. I think she’s town GS and is derping. Lots of townies derp massively concerning their claims. Scum generally have polished ones. On April 11 2018 13:01 Tubesock wrote: Oats, I don’t think rayn is sleeping. What do you mean? I didn’t think his last big post was weird at all. I liked his case on Exo and the rest of his comments. Like the eod criticism he got and his activity level. Especially when it’s from someone who has half the activity. But that’s speaking from someone who’s been lynched many times because I had to leave thread for extended periods of time. On April 12 2018 09:03 Tubesock wrote: You guys are wrong on Eversince. tl;dr 1. Eversince is busy and sleep deprived. 2. Sleep deprivation makes for dumb and forgetful. 3. Saw GB nk, but forgetful and limited brain resources spent focusing on rayn. 4. If actually blue, better she absorbs rb than other blue. 5. If scum will die soon anyway I think the world we live in is the one where Eversince is insanely busy in real life. If she’s the one I am thinking of she’s friends with rsoultin from another website. She said she was busy due to career then. She has said this much this game (“I work 12-18 hrs”)and since she doesn’t play often, I think it also backs up this reality. working 12-18 hrs a day will drain you. And trying to play this adds to that. Plus without sleeping that makes you forgetful and do dumb things. I believe her when she said she had to leave prior to deadline. And at the time I think she was the leading lynch. So yeah she was rightfully afraid and claimed. I would have too. Concerning reading the daypost. It was clear she was concentrating on rayn getting the gun and shooting someone. I can see a sleep deprived person checking to see if two kills were made and glossing over who died. Then she obsessed over why that confirms her and rayn as town. She said she forgot GB was the nk. She admitted reading that and forgot. Cause she was focused on rayn. Same reasoning explains her misreading of her pm or missing if she starts with a gun or not. I understand the arguments. And in a vacuum I do agree not understanding if you start with a gun or not or if she still has a gun is indicative of a fakeclaimer. I get it. I think my world is truth. I also think that if she is liar liar pants afire, the real blue is freely able to do whatever they can do, and when the time comes they can claim and we will kill Ever first cause there is literally no way to have a worse claim than hers. Or a real blue dies then she will be lynched. If she is town, mafia already knows and are either roleblocking her or will kill her. And if that’s true then if there is another blue (in a 13 player game generally there are two) they will operate without needing to consider being roleblocked. I think that’s fucking awesome for town and out weighs the negative of her actually being mafia. On April 12 2018 14:01 Tubesock wrote: CALIX Scumreads Vivax all day one. To justify her vote, she says the wagons are too static not to have one being mafia. Probably Vivax’s. Then later says Vivax is town because the votes are weirdly static. She unvotes and is frozen on who to vote next. Scumreading Vivax Evidence + Show Spoiler [First Vivax Case] + On April 08 2018 18:08 Calix wrote: Have access to a keyboard, thank God. [red]Vivax might be mafia because of how he went about his GB read. First he says that "GB saying he can't post for a while after posting a bunch at the start of the day reads defensive to me" which is typically a mafia trait, and when Damdred questions this read and implies a negative view of Vivax because of it ("kinda a meh read from you"), Vivax's reaction is to call both GB AND Damdred town. Weird progression. As I see it, it's one of these scenarios: A) Vivax was always town-reading GB, in which case why did he make the comment about GB being defensive? B) Vivax was scum-leaning GB until Damdred made a point about why it isn't scummy, then Vivax changed his mind. But then why would you say "yeah he's town"? That's not the response you'd make if someone had changed your mind. C) Some other scenario I haven't accounted for. However the two I listed were the ones that came to mind when I first read the exchange. So yes, I'd like an explanation. I also don't see how the reason he gave for Damdred being town ("I don't see why you wouldn't partially agree with me if you were mafia") is AI. I agree that GlowingBear is more likely town than not. His posting reads as spontaneous and unplanned to me. As for his case on me, it's dumb because I DID respond to his vote (after he actually gave reasons) and Eversince's assumption that it was a spite vote was more interesting than a naked vote. I also want a response from Eversince that clarifies that random town-read she doled out to one of GB/ Calix. Both GB and I asked about that and she ignored both queries to post some irrelevant nonsense. So I am asking again. + Show Spoiler [thought Vivax, need reeval] + On April 09 2018 02:54 Calix wrote: Are you saying Skynx and I are on a scum team here? As for my reads, I think you and Skynx are town. I thought rayn and Vivax were scummy but I need to reevaluate given recent posts. Didn't like Eversince ignoring the 'town read' questions. Don't have a strong opinion on anyone else really, HF non-vote aside. + Show Spoiler [Vivax is a better lynch] + On April 09 2018 19:19 Calix wrote: After EXTENSIVE research - which involved opening some kush filters and ctrl+f-ing "HF" - I have concluded that I only found one game (Holyf***e Mafia) where kush correctly read HF as mafia. But I only looked at some of his recent games in the database. Also I have no experience with this guy so I do not know how to interpret his current behaviour. I would probably not lynch ExO_ or currentlyhomeless unless Eversince does something townie instead of just "okay". And even then, I think Vivax is a better lynch since he has yet to say anything intelligent and has nothing but "okay" posts. Which actually makes him more likely to be mafia now that I reflect on his posting because mafia are always trying to make "okay" posts and not much else. The point about Eversince having a dodgy read on HF is good but I maintain that the Oats read is whack. I just do not comprehend how someone writes that about a player and doesn't think there's mafia motive there. + Show Spoiler [Vivax vote + reasoning] + On April 09 2018 22:17 Calix wrote: I'm not feeling anything in particular. I think people misread the language I use as being 'angry' when it's just how I talk. If I was actually angry then it would be obvious. I agree with his Vivax posts. However I don't really trust him. He accused rayn after I did. Now he accuses Vivax alongside me. Looks like a pattern. Nothing substantial to back it up, just wary. I would probably not want to lynch him today though. Vivax looks well bad even without HF's points. + Show Spoiler [Going hard on Vivax] + On April 09 2018 22:35 Calix wrote: Admitting Vivax is scum?  Why did you call my reads 'good' when I'm going hard at Vivax? Who you town-read? I >.> + Show Spoiler [close to parking vote forever] + On April 09 2018 23:53 Calix wrote: If you're 'trying to end up on X' with rayn then that's not you thinking rayn is sheepable, is it? And why is ExO_ a no-go? Are you ever going to explain your reads? Because I'm this close to parking my vote on you forever. On April 09 2018 23:57 Calix wrote: So you share a QT with ExO_, that's nice  + Show Spoiler [Vivax hasn’t done anything townie] + On April 10 2018 01:16 Calix wrote: I don't like the push for Skynx when Vivax hasn't actually done anything townie. He's just become weirdly emotional. Weird because HF wasn't actually bullying him. So I don't relate to why he got upset. + Show Spoiler [explains to Oats V read] + On April 10 2018 01:23 Calix wrote: Isn't this just asking why I think Vivax is mafia? My current opinion is that his posts are bland and uninteresting. He hasn't said anything engaging. He has an entire scum-team theory yet I do not give a damn about ANY of his scum-reads. Instead of pushing his reads, he takes on this defeatist attitude about convincing others to vote for his reads. He called me town despite saying I was pushing rayn for false reasons (which is not a town tell ever) and never explained that despite me asking him about 39580670 times. His reaction to being called out about the "HF pushing me because a mafia's on the line" quote looks like flailing scum to me. I also don't get why he's getting emotional. Which is not necessarily scummy by itself but it's not helping me think he's town. + Show Spoiler [want V dead or spew town] + On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote: Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia. + Show Spoiler [Resistance to V lynch] + On April 10 2018 02:08 Calix wrote: No because I still don't think he's done anything that 'townie' and his posts are more "meh" which is why I am happy with my current vote. If you think I am wrong then point out where he's done something townie and ELI5. I could be tunneled with "Vivax is underperforming mafia", I will admit, but I don't see anything convincing for him being town. Furthermore, there is also a lot of resistance to his lynch and some pushes towards Skynx (who I think is town but we'll see how he responds to this EOD), n00b (I agree he hasn't posted many explicit reads but I am not convinced this is AI for him), myself (pretty terrible D1 lynch if I say so myself), etc. @n00bking, I do not know much about Oats' play so I couldn't tell you, lol. + Show Spoiler [static votes mean V scum] + On April 10 2018 02:20 Calix wrote: I meant with wagons. Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere. I concluded Vivax because his wagon is the one that's most static and somehow hasn't exceeded three votes despite few people properly town-reading or going out on a leg to defend him. Basically for 47 of the 48 hours of D1 Calix spent scumreading Vivax. You can see her talking about him quite a lot, she also interacts with him. Her points are reasonable enough. she has ample time and content to re-evaluate. She maintains his scumminess. Of note are the last two posts “Reistance to V lynch” and “static votes mean V scum”. She basically says that because Vivax only has three votes, mafia must be resisting. Despite also saying no one is really going out on a limb to defend him. Scondary Scum Reads + Show Spoiler [vote for some AFK scrub] + On April 09 2018 03:05 Calix wrote: What's bad is you scum-reading myself and my town-read. For shame No idea. Whoever I'm scum-reading by EOD. And if I don't have a proper mafia read by EOD then I'll vote for some AFK scrub. + Show Spoiler [Consider some AFK] + On April 09 2018 04:59 Calix wrote: I'm calm. I'm not sure why people keep thinking I'm not. Must have the verbal equivalent of Resting Bitch Face And yes, this game is ridiculously slow. Can't wait for the inevitable CFDs. Aforementioned slowness is why I am considering lynching some AFK dude even if they're not my strongest scum-read. Lynching a top-poster on D1 is usually a bad idea. And rayn's filter is bigger than mine is. Since you are so concerned about lynch suspects, who among the 'low posters' would you want to lynch aside from Skynx? + Show Spoiler [fine w/afk lynch] + On April 09 2018 05:29 Calix wrote: I'd be fine with an AFK lynch but saying it's gonna 'motivate him' is dumb. Dude has no problem posting as both alignments. + Show Spoiler [scum Exo, maybe Damdred] + On April 10 2018 01:40 Calix wrote: ExO_. I haven't filtered him since he's not up for lynch at all but he was making some weird, timid posts when I was with him in the thread. The one where he tells Vivax and I to call it off when Vivax and I were not even fighting was out of place. And he hadn't called me town before that post. Otherwise he has "safe" reads and "okay" posts. Fits the profile of mafia skirting by. Damdred possible third. + Show Spoiler [no other mafia] + On April 10 2018 01:44 Calix wrote: Don't have anyone else I think is mafia at the moment. I don't think much of his actual posts. + Show Spoiler [Let’s vote Exo or something] + On April 10 2018 04:17 Calix wrote: We could like, vote ExO or something. A lot of people here think he's scummy but he's never really gained traction. Here is what I could find of her scum reads and what would happen if Vivax couldn’t be lynched. Three times she said she would be fine with voting an AFK player. She scums Exo and maybe Damdred. Damdred is basically an AFK dude. Her posts did seem like she was confident that she would have a secondary target. Comfortable with AFK, Exo, or Damdred. The Vivax Towning + Show Spoiler [Weirdly static is town] + On April 10 2018 04:12 Calix wrote: I actually agree with you. It is why I am starting to think Vivax might be town despite what I think of his posting. Because there have been a lot of posts but the votes have been weirdly static. Mafia is either AFK or they do not give a damn. Since you could lynch almost anyone here if you wanted to, I think it's option #2. This is the singular post and argument that unravels 47 hours of thinking and deliberating. Nothing really changed, the votes were still static. Even IF she never posted or thought static votes were indicative of resistance, I don’t see how town!Calix could override her previous thinking. Vote Freeze + Show Spoiler [UNVOTING WITHOUT SOMEONE IS DUMB] + On April 09 2018 04:29 Calix wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On April 09 2018 04:19 GlowingBear wrote: Uhm, let me express myself better. I'm not arguing about your townread on me. I think it's okay. Skynx, in the other hand, is a townread for a couple of posts that in my POV doesn't make him a strong townread. What he did can be faked (calling someone out then reevaluating right after it, then peacing out). I'd never give a townread on him because of that. I'm okay with your reevaluation process, but until you reevaluate, shouldn't you be lynching who you think it's mafia for now? I'm not lecturing you on anything. I'm as a good player as you are. You have to reevaluate rayn and vivax. I have to reevaluate you. But if you asked me: "who would you be lynching right now?", I would say "Calix", regardless of the need of reevaluation. You have the same weak scumreads as me, but you're not comitting in being lynching anyone. That's... evasive. Non-committal. That is what sounds scummy to me. I hate to break the news to you, but I'm not you. Therefore saying that I'm scummy for reading people for different reasons to you is an invalid argument. I am happy with my town-read on Skynx. Deal with it. Yes, I haven't unvoted and have no plans to. Because unvoting without having someone else to vote for is dumb. But right now, I'm not going to push for a lynch on someone that I am less sure of. + Show Spoiler + So because I didn't respond to a generic question in the way you would, I'm scummy? Again, I'm not you, and accusing me on the basis that I didn't say "Vivax/ rayn" for "best lynches" is pedantic. And non-committal? I've taken more stances than most of the game has. I'm not going to feign confidence in my scum-reads if I am not actually as confident as I used to be. + Show Spoiler [waffling n00b] + On April 10 2018 04:25 Calix wrote: Well I unvoted you anyway. I'm now waffling over whether to vote n00b or not. And it's annoying. + Show Spoiler [DON’T know who to vote] + Earlier in the day Calix said unvoting someone unless you have someone else in mind is dumb. I think she actually believes that. There’s zero mafia motivation to lie about it. She had other scum reads and options she REPEATEDLY mentioned. She waffled voting n00b whom she NEVER scummed. She was willing to follow her previous strongest scum read onto n00b. No fucking way will town be willing to vote someone they’ve only said towny things about. It would have been one thing if n00b was an AFKer. But in the posts about AFKers she says lynching an afk dude is better than a top poster (rayn at the time). N00b may not have been a top poster, but he was active and she towned him!! There would be zero consideration for lynching n00b let alone “waffling”. Despite showing confidence she would just vote an afk if nothing else presented she froze on no one. She unvoted someone she spent a lot of time scumreading without another target. She says that’s dumb. It’s dumb for town, but when you’re mafia you need to look good as possible. And she knew she screwed up when she got off the wagon and was unsure who to vote because all votes would look bad. I also think the backpedal she did on rayn was super bad too. + Show Spoiler [Oats calling Backpedal] + + Show Spoiler [More Backpedal] + + Show Spoiler [Backpedal Complete] + Already talked about and I quoted Oats for easy finding and cred. I think she got off rayn partly because he would fight hard, people would listen, and no one really agreed. Contrast with Vivax who was semi afk, most people kinda scummed him, and the HF really scummed him. Scumming Vivax is fucking safe. Keeping rayn scummed when he fights back is not safe. Conclusion, Calix is mafia. PSDS it isn’t bussing unless you actually vote them. “Oh, but I can’t be scum to you because it would mean I am getting bussed by my team!” On April 13 2018 08:14 Tubesock wrote: I’m failing to see how Oats is scum for thinking HF could have lynched you if he really wanted to. HF wasn’t really pushing that hard compared what he’s done in the past. So, fine, HF tried and tried and tried really hard to kill you. Oats disagrees in the effort level. How is he scum for that? On April 14 2018 10:31 Tubesock wrote: You are wrong. Unmolested checks means 1of HF or rayn is mafia. That’s correct. But I think it’s pretty likely that mafia has a framer or Godfather. Or if not we could have a miller. We have a pretty good POE pool now. Basically, two of Calix, Skynx and Vivax can be scum and at most 1 scum in HF or rayn with great odds of both HF and rayn being town. CurrentlyHomeless is confirmed to me cause we mindmelded. So tldr, we have 66% to hit scum outside of the HF/rayn pool or 50/50 at best in just rayn or HF. On April 14 2018 10:34 Tubesock wrote: I forgot Oats. He’s not confirmed. So different math, but I think HF and rayn are town right now so that’s basically three in the pool of 4 who are left. And the. The NK’s will further narrow that down for better deciding on Hf and rayn. On April 14 2018 20:09 Tubesock wrote: Rayns filter looks fine too. There’s only two things I see that I think could be construed as scummy but in the context I think he did it as town. Mainly, his two weird defense posts. The first one where Calix scummed him in the beginning of the game, and he was like “I defending this not because I should but in case HF derps, and makes other derpy towns derp and kill me”. I think it’s ok because I know some towns love to kill the top players day one for some reason. The other was the Exo case which Oats talked about as super weird. But I thought he was talking to three different people in one post, so that’s not that weird at all. And I really liked the rest of what he said. Well, except the whole kill ES bits. But I understand. On April 14 2018 20:10 Tubesock wrote: Yeah. I’d be down for killing Skynx. At least Calix is playing and trying something. On April 14 2018 20:26 Tubesock wrote: Close enough. But Skynx high as well. And you’re playing. I have been wrong before, unless I’m mistaken. On April 15 2018 08:56 Tubesock wrote: This perfectly demonstrates Vivax’s entire game: You can just about take any of his comments at random and research it, and it’s because he misread or misconstrues it. 0% chance I will vote for CurrentlyHomeless for the rest of the game. Holyflare might as well be 0%. So they’re basically confirmed. And I think Calix is most likely town. rayn kinda too, but he has had slips. That leaves Skynx, Vivax, Oats. With rayn alternate. But I could probably change my thinking in 15 minutes. You're all welcome to filter him yourself | ||
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On April 21 2018 19:07 Holyflare wrote: What I still don't understand is why you keep going on about 4 blues being acceptable ch but then scum reading tubesock? those are two different things I didn’t and don’t believe tube is scum based on balance. I believe tube is scum because I gave him several hours to talk with me and he isn’t trying to figure out the game at all. It also explains a lot of other things about the game which didn’t make sense to me earlier. For instance I thought you were scum based on the blue crumb and your interactions with me. When I stepped back and reread the game from the perspective that tube could be scum and my d2 toneread on him was wrong, I actually saw that he really actually has been pretty lazy all game. Then I tried to figure out who would be more likely to be scum with tube, you or rayn. And realized it cannot be you because of that exact blue crumb shit. How likely would it be that a scum would fake claim one thing while a buddy crumbs something else, then talks to them in thread about it? Seems kinda strange to me. This also sort of explains the Vivax wifom. Like why was he shot n1, and him being shot n4 may actually not mean anything significant. Finally when compared to you Rayn being scum with tube makes more sense because today rayn also has fucked off and done nothing. Meanwhile a good number of your posts actually make sense. | ||
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anyway I will say I’m pretty terrible at telling apart bad townies from scum, which is why I toneread town and called him a scub several times in the early game. However at the time one of the things that really struck me as odd about his posts was actually how hard he defended ever. So I actually came to the opposite conclusion as you because based on the info we all had, town tube should not have been hard defending ever prior to flip. I thought in particular his assertion that he understands her mindset because she is tired and very busy etc. a huge overreach and if it were a better player/someone who I think has good reads I definitely would have found that suspicious. That was something I socked in the back of my head as “this was an extremely weird defense, almost as if tube knows ever will flip town here” and then promptly forgot about it the day after because much weirder shit happened. | ||
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if I still thought you had any chance of being scum here that would make me tunnel the shit out of you. but anyway IIRC you yourself said there is no point to posting all your thoughts all the time and I agree with that statement. In particular I don’t find it useful to talk about when I am reading someone as town or why I am reading them as town unless that has some relevance to what’s happening in thread (for example if my townread is being scumread and I strongly believe they will be mislynched) anyway as phone posting is incredibly hard I cannot easily quote my own posts and format nicely for you so if you want to see proof that what I am saying is actually the truth and not some made up scum bs you can go find in my filter any post where I talk to tube directly d2 or d3. Probably p4 in my filter is a good place to start. For instance I asked him why he was townreading ever. Based on what I’ve just told you about my thought process on ever and how tube defended ever why do you think I would have asked him that at that stage in the game if I were scum? If I were scum I could have just let it be because I would have no need to figure out the game. Secondly if you read my posts with tube you can easily tell I was townreading him even though I didn’t say it because of 1. how I actually interacted with him and wanted to know his thought process and 2. when I talked about the off-wagon voters scumreading each other despite having the same reads I specifically said tube looked the best | ||
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On April 22 2018 00:50 Holyflare wrote: why did you do nothing d1 bugs? I didn’t do nothing. but I can understand why you would say that  in all honesty I just didn’t have enough time the first couple of (RL) days. I tried to force some interactions, with you especially. after that since for whatever reason kush posted and made everyone think I was him I decided to roll with it while still playing the game in my own way since at the very least that would keep me from being shot by scum | ||
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On April 22 2018 00:48 currentlyhomeless wrote: btw Calix if you want another example of how I think you have consistently misrepresented me this game, the comment about me not talking about tube at all is one of them. if I still thought you had any chance of being scum here that would make me tunnel the shit out of you. but anyway IIRC you yourself said there is no point to posting all your thoughts all the time and I agree with that statement. In particular I don’t find it useful to talk about when I am reading someone as town or why I am reading them as town unless that has some relevance to what’s happening in thread (for example if my townread is being scumread and I strongly believe they will be mislynched) anyway as phone posting is incredibly hard I cannot easily quote my own posts and format nicely for you so if you want to see proof that what I am saying is actually the truth and not some made up scum bs you can go find in my filter any post where I talk to tube directly d2 or d3. Probably p4 in my filter is a good place to start. For instance I asked him why he was townreading ever. Based on what I’ve just told you about my thought process on ever and how tube defended ever why do you think I would have asked him that at that stage in the game if I were scum? If I were scum I could have just let it be because I would have no need to figure out the game. Secondly if you read my posts with tube you can easily tell I was townreading him even though I didn’t say it because of 1. how I actually interacted with him and wanted to know his thought process and 2. when I talked about the off-wagon voters scumreading each other despite having the same reads I specifically said tube looked the best Well now that you've explained some of your game philosophy, I think it's NAI. I don't think people lie about things like that usually. | ||
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On April 22 2018 01:04 Calix wrote: Well now that you've explained some of your game philosophy, I think it's NAI. I don't think people lie about things like that usually. I agree, I don’t think people lie about how they play. However I hope you realize that if you are saying this in response to my scum bs comment, I wasn’t referring to my playstyle, I was referring to my read progression on tube. | ||
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On April 22 2018 01:44 currentlyhomeless wrote: I agree, I don’t think people lie about how they play. However I hope you realize that if you are saying this in response to my scum bs comment, I wasn’t referring to my playstyle, I was referring to my read progression on tube. I was not responding to your Tubesock progression directly. I'm starting to think we are clashing a lot over playstyle/ culture differences. For example, you use arguments like this when referring to yourself: For instance I asked him why he was townreading ever. Based on what I’ve just told you about my thought process on ever and how tube defended ever why do you think I would have asked him that at that stage in the game if I were scum? If I were scum I could have just let it be because I would have no need to figure out the game. Things like this give me the impression that you play mafia [the game, not alignment] very deliberately and don't post without having a very specific purpose ever and don't explicitly state everything you're doing. Therefore you think asking X at Y specific time is a town tell. And it seems like you genuinely think this. You getting annoyed at me for 'misrepresenting' and 'not picking up on things' you did which showed you actually did think XYZ is also making me think we're clashing over NAI stuff. Anyway, I (well, HF and Tubesock too) don't find these arguments convincing because it is within most players' mafia range to ask these sorts of questions that look like they're solving the game a lot. So we just see them as NAI for the most part. If you're wondering what the point of this post is, it's me thinking "hm I might be scum-reading you for reasons which aren't actually scummy for you because of how you approach the game so I should probably try and understand how you play and not just rely on how I scum-hunt, especially since I'm probably the person deciding the game if we get to 2v1." | ||
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Day 4 Vote count remaining raynpelikoneet (4): tubesock, holyflare, currentlyhomeless, Calix currentlyhomeless (1): raynpelikoneet Holyflare (0): Not Voting (0): Currently raynpelikoneet is set to be lynched. Voting is mandatory! Place votes in THIS THREAD (link) | ||
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