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On April 12 2018 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 05:42 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Someone said i scumread Damdred because Damdred is afk. That can't be further away from truth. I scumread Damdred because at the time he dropped his vote on Calix there was no reason to think Calix is mafia. Damdred will never ever as town vote for "one of the wagons", hell he will instead get lynched himself voting for his scumread, and he tends to post a list for "end game credits" or some other shit like that. Based on his last scumgame it's not even out of reality that he votes for his scumbuddy. But i have a very hard time seeing how the vote on Calix at that time is in any way justified. But it's okay, Damdred will probably have a good asnwer to this when he comes to the thread next time. Another thing is that after voting Calix Damdred is more interested in telling why i look bad rather than why the person he is voting for looks bad or is mafia, and some other random stuff like Skynx wagon looks like something i don't even understand. And how often Damdred says "I disagree on vivax. But I am often wrong". Dude is just trying to save Vivax from a votecount that looks "horrendous for town" (Vivax and Skynx leading -- Calix third), and that's all he can come up with? Okay. If you think Damdred is null and there is nothing to say about him why didn't you call bs on this then? The only thing you managed to say about this and the whole post is that "anger seems genuine" which is honestly super weak because it is the most informative post i have made in this game. Because I'm aware other people will disagree that there's nothing to say about him, duh. I personally think giving a read on him is pointless because he is AFK, has explained nothing, etc. But not everyone thinks like me. That's why I don't necessarily think it's weird if anyone else has a read on him. So when is the time in your opinion to lynch / start calling afk people mafia to lynch them? LYLO? After game?
In Damdred's case, after he gets modkilled most likely 
Otherwise it depends on game state. Right now, I don't particularly care for a Damdred lynch because I think ExO/ Eversince are mafia. If they suddenly do townie shit then Damdred becomes a good lynch option. If everyone who is active seems like town then he becomes a good lynch option. You get the point.
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TFW Damdred is tie-breaker.
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On April 12 2018 10:23 Tubesock wrote:
HF, you said Calix is mafia and never forget.
Can you kill ES tomorrow? Are you that more certain ES is mafia over Calix?
“Can you mislynch one more person before we finally kill obvious mafia?” - Translated this post for you. Why kill Eversince tomorrow when you can do it now and NOT ML? :D
Anyone on the fence here needs to consider that Eversince is being defended so incredibly hard right now. Despite having worst claim in history. She probably has an important scum role. Meanwhile NOBODY has been defending me.
There have been NO comments about how I am “too scummy to be scum” or “just made a mistake”. Nobody has said that my actions are so blatantly bad that mafia would never do it. The people on Eversince train just think she is MORE mafia than I am.
But when it’s Eversince she suddenly gets hard defended by Tubesock, ExO, Oats, Skynx to an extent, etc. Seriously look into this when I flip town.
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Anyway these will be my last posts before EOD most likely. Will not be able to respond to anything.
On phone but will give thoughts quickly.
Eversince/ ExO are likely two of the mafia and need to be lynched with fire. CH is probably town on right track here.
Not 100% on third. Would think either Damdred or someone who has stayed above suspicion. Tubesock or Oats would fit that profile. Tubesock literally offering to lynch outside of me and ES is really really really scummy in particular. WE HAVE CLOSE VOTES. Always lynch one of us today.
(Also nobody CFD please. Lynch Everscum)
I am not sure whether all the mafia would go hard on defending Eversince though. Since they will all look awful once I flip town in heavily contested vote. But it is very possible.
As for HF, Vivax, I think TvT mostly. Think Rayn likely town too. If they all stay alive then treat their arguments with a grain of salt though. Don’t just believe what they say without checking the facts.
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On April 12 2018 14:05 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 13:59 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 10:23 Tubesock wrote:
HF, you said Calix is mafia and never forget.
Can you kill ES tomorrow? Are you that more certain ES is mafia over Calix? “Can you mislynch one more person before we finally kill obvious mafia?” - Translated this post for you. Why kill Eversince tomorrow when you can do it now and NOT ML? :D Anyone on the fence here needs to consider that Eversince is being defended so incredibly hard right now. Despite having worst claim in history. She probably has an important scum role. Meanwhile NOBODY has been defending me. There have been NO comments about how I am “too scummy to be scum” or “just made a mistake”. Nobody has said that my actions are so blatantly bad that mafia would never do it. The people on Eversince train just think she is MORE mafia than I am. But when it’s Eversince she suddenly gets hard defended by Tubesock, ExO, Oats, Skynx to an extent, etc. Seriously look into this when I flip town. I am the only person hard defending her. Nice try. Every single post ES made could be used in a case on her. Either not reading, or making really weird conclusions. Every single one. That’s a huge difference between your singular mistake. And the other stuff on you isn’t about “mistakes”.
You miss EXO saying he made it his aim to defend ever?
I am running out of time so cannot even read your post. But you are scum siding very hard right now. I am town. You are voting me over someone who is not giving many reads and prefers role WIFOM to scum hunting. Very very bad.
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On April 12 2018 14:17 Tubesock wrote:
What is “CFD”?
Chinese fire drill where you rapidly switch votes onto someone who was not likely a lynch before.
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ES and Damdred will probably vote me so I am very likely just dead here. People seriously need to give thought to the insane amount of ES defence compared to people who are actually defending me (AKA nobody). And think about why that might be the case.
Anyway I am off. Not claiming role because if I get lynched over scummy AF Eversince then I played bad and deserve lynch, anyway.
Break a leg :p
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Hey, I'm back.
I think town just loses here. Because I die D3 and then town goes into triple LYLO. So this isn't great.
To be perfectly honest with you guys, I do not really want to play. But if I do not then people will be tilted post-flip for not trying harder so I feel obliged to put in some effort.
I know that the only viable D2 wagons were town. And I am the only townie who knows this. I'm probably going to look at the Eversince progressions that people had. Mostly because people didn't really 'change' their reads on me. Aside from HF, rayn (I think) putting aside their scum-read on me. Off the top of my head, I remember ExO's reads shifting on ES when I was catching up.
I think there is at least one mafia in the people defending Eversince using bad WIFOM.
Tubesock is possible. I read his case and all he did was regurgitate points that HF made on N1.
ExO probably mafia regardless of Eversince's alignment just because he literally spent most of D2 defending Eversince for bad reasons.
Oats looks townie for sticking to his guns and not having retarded read progressions but I need to reread him.
I know Skynx posted some reads but I don't recall them so I also have to filter him.
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On April 13 2018 05:02 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2018 04:57 Calix wrote:
Hey, I'm back.
I think town just loses here. Because I die D3 and then town goes into triple LYLO. So this isn't great.
To be perfectly honest with you guys, I do not really want to play. But if I do not then people will be tilted post-flip for not trying harder so I feel obliged to put in some effort.
I know that the only viable D2 wagons were town. And I am the only townie who knows this. I'm probably going to look at the Eversince progressions that people had. Mostly because people didn't really 'change' their reads on me. Aside from HF, rayn (I think) putting aside their scum-read on me. Off the top of my head, I remember ExO's reads shifting on ES when I was catching up.
I think there is at least one mafia in the people defending Eversince using bad WIFOM.
Tubesock is possible. I read his case and all he did was regurgitate points that HF made on N1.
ExO probably mafia regardless of Eversince's alignment just because he literally spent most of D2 defending Eversince for bad reasons.
Oats looks townie for sticking to his guns and not having retarded read progressions but I need to reread him.
I know Skynx posted some reads but I don't recall them so I also have to filter him. If you are town your only obligation is to push a lynch on HF or there is no recovery from this. It will have my support and possibly CHs. And what you say makes ExO mafia can be applied to a lot of people and they can't all be mafia.
I listed most of the people who were defending Eversince at some point. My point on ExO is that defending ExO is the ONLY thing he really did on D2. Well technically he argued with Skynx but I didn't really understand that interaction on first read. The other people I listed at least did some other stuff and didn't make defending Eversince their main gig. Even Tubesock.
I am pretty tired so I won't be doing much tonight. But I have some free time at the weekend so I can probably look at your filter and HF filter. Actually looking. With quotes and fact-checking and bells and whistles.
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Probably can’t post until after EON again.
Just want to ask one thing. Can people who think ExO is town or who do not have ExO in their scum teams explain why he is town? I do not see it.
I looked at some of his recent town games and think you guys should too. Because the way he posts and gives scum reads has changed IMO. I know he said he was trying to tunnel less in Classic Mafia but even there his style is not the same.
But maybe I am confirmation biasing myself.
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I have skimmed the thread. I don't understand why people read my post as a soft-claim. It really wasn't. I do not claim blue to save myself as either alignment. I don't do it as blue because blues who play like shit should usually be lynched and I am no exception. I don't do it as mafia because I never do it as blue so claiming a role under pressure would be a scum claim. I am explaining this because this isn't standard TL Mafia site meta and people misunderstood my post as a soft-claim. I do not care if you agree with me or not because I believe this regardless of alignment. You just need to know that this is logic I use.
Anyway I am VT.
I will have more time over the weekend to look into things. But I will have sparse internet access for the foreseeable future so you are just going to have to deal with me mostly posting in the evening. I mention it a lot to make it really fucking clear that no, I cannot spam the thread like I usually do.
ANYWAY it is possible that ExO is legit and that might be why he is posting weirdly. Another point in his favour would be the kills. I am THEORISING that Vivax/ HF/ rayn very likely contain mafia even without ExO claim because none of them are dying. These kills look like status quo shots. Like if I was mafia, I'd only shoot a replacement if I didn't want to upset the current game state.
It is possible that ExO is making a strategic fake claim but setup-wise, it makes sense to have a direct investigative role (yes yes, even if GS is 'technically' investigative). Not 100% convinced he's telling the truth - it would make sense for mafia to claim in his spot - but it looks alright at first glance.
Don't think Tubesock's claim was that bad although claiming Vet outright was dumb. If he genuinely thought I had softed blue then it would make sense for him to think "hm there are too many blue claims, I'm going to claim" after ExO claimed.
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It is also extremely tilting to have one of the biggest filters in the game where most of that filter contains reads and content (which everyone ignores when it comes to 'reading' me) and yet still get called out and mafia-read because I dare to not post occasionally. I would greatly appreciate it if people stopped using activity as a 'tell'. You should all relate to having full-time jobs or generally being busy so it's rather silly, honestly.
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On April 14 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Absolutely amazing wall of text that had a completely nothing conclusion on the two checks.
Yes, I've only skimmed the thread. Actual filtering will happen tomorrow. Because it is half ten and I have not even had dinner yet.
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On April 14 2018 06:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 14:26 Calix wrote:
ES and Damdred will probably vote me so I am very likely just dead here. People seriously need to give thought to the insane amount of ES defence compared to people who are actually defending me (AKA nobody). And think about why that might be the case.
Anyway I am off. Not claiming role because if I get lynched over scummy AF Eversince then I played bad and deserve lynch, anyway.
Break a leg :p I will never believe this wasn't a blue soft.
You're entitled to your wrong conclusion. If you guys are going to lynch me over something this dumb then let me know please so I don't waste my time on this game.
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On April 14 2018 06:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 06:34 Calix wrote:On April 14 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Absolutely amazing wall of text that had a completely nothing conclusion on the two checks. Yes, I've only skimmed the thread. Actual filtering will happen tomorrow. Because it is half ten and I have not even had dinner yet. You've only skimmed the thread but pretty much weighed in on everything that wasn't relevant. How about where you stand with the claims off the top of your head. Snap judgement.
I gave my opinion on ExO/ Tubesock?
If you're asking about the two checks then I think you would be the mafia on first skim. Because a) rayn's reaction (where he's a bit skeptical and like "well okay but I think HF is town and this claim would be good for mafia so idfk man") seemed townie because he's showing doubt at the right time. You kinda did this too with saying "well your softs don't make sense m8" on ExO but you wanting to lynch outside of the claimed PC/ checks is pretty bad. Like either ExO is telling the truth, in which case rayn should be very likely scum to you, or ExO is full of shit and is mafia.
So saying I am somehow the superior lynch for a not-really-a-blue-soft is off from town!HF perspective. Because you have this 1v1 kinda situation where there is definitely mafia somewhere FYPOV and you want to lynch me instead.
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On April 14 2018 06:43 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 06:33 Calix wrote:
It is also extremely tilting to have one of the biggest filters in the game where most of that filter contains reads and content (which everyone ignores when it comes to 'reading' me) and yet still get called out and mafia-read because I dare to not post occasionally. I would greatly appreciate it if people stopped using activity as a 'tell'. You should all relate to having full-time jobs or generally being busy so it's rather silly, honestly. While I know people said you dropped off, but that’s not he primary reason you’re being scummed. It’s your EOD1. Your activity doesn’t matter but starting off active and dropping off is more scum indicative than town. But again, the primary reason isn’t your activity.
Great, how's that working out for you? You have never reconsidered - incorrectly and arrogantly, if you are town - and have not deigned to analyse my D2 content so there is zero way for your read to ever progress. Hardly anyone has. It is like I am talking to walls.
Feeling like nobody gives a shit about what you are saying usually makes for a dull game.
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On April 14 2018 06:51 Holyflare wrote:
There's framer, miller etc. I think lynching outside the claims isn't bad at all.
Statistically speaking, the odds of this affecting results are extremely low so using that as an excuse is weak as fuck.
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On April 14 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 06:54 Calix wrote:On April 14 2018 06:51 Holyflare wrote:
There's framer, miller etc. I think lynching outside the claims isn't bad at all. Statistically speaking, the odds of this affecting results are extremely low so using that as an excuse is weak as fuck. Why is it weak? If there's a framer rayn isn't a bad frame n1 or me n2. Miller is statistically low odds but not unheard of at all. Just because something in a game is improbable doesn't make it bad in the slightest. It's worse to blindly follow probability.
It is weak because you have decided to lynch outside of claims unreasonably quickly without properly evaluating the two players. If one were to evaluate the cop claim and the other check and go "well actually I think both are town, we probably just have a mind-fuck cop check somewhere?" or something before voting elsewhere then this would make more sense.
Also mafia people who get checked tend to bring up Framer/ Miller/ Godfather/ etc more often than town people do in this situation. Because it gives them a chance of escaping the constraints of a 1v1.
Of course, it is POSSIBLE that Framer/ Miller/ Godfather/ whatever fucked with ExO's results. But going "this unlikely scenario could have happened therefore we should leave all the involved parties alive" is not sensible.
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On April 14 2018 07:04 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 06:52 Calix wrote:On April 14 2018 06:43 Tubesock wrote:On April 14 2018 06:33 Calix wrote:
It is also extremely tilting to have one of the biggest filters in the game where most of that filter contains reads and content (which everyone ignores when it comes to 'reading' me) and yet still get called out and mafia-read because I dare to not post occasionally. I would greatly appreciate it if people stopped using activity as a 'tell'. You should all relate to having full-time jobs or generally being busy so it's rather silly, honestly. While I know people said you dropped off, but that’s not he primary reason you’re being scummed. It’s your EOD1. Your activity doesn’t matter but starting off active and dropping off is more scum indicative than town. But again, the primary reason isn’t your activity. Great, how's that working out for you? You have never reconsidered - incorrectly and arrogantly, if you are town - and have not deigned to analyse my D2 content so there is zero way for your read to ever progress. Hardly anyone has. It is like I am talking to walls. Feeling like nobody gives a shit about what you are saying usually makes for a dull game. Lol people have been telling me they don’t read any of my posts either. Get over it. I hated your last day 2 post. The rest of your posts were whining that people can’t scum you because of bussing/getting bussed. Not doing towny stuff.
"Everyone's been ignoring me for some reason but let me take the piss when you get frustrated at people ignoring you too!"
Your 'hatred' of my last D2 post is based on a false assumption and that's a terrible summary of my D2 posts.
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It's been like 3 hours since D3 begun. No way is that enough time to get to thinking "well both are more likely town so cop fuckery probably happened somewhere!" before trying to bandwagon a townie instead. ExO/ rayn have barely started doing stuff post-claim. And I am not accepting any other explanations for why you'd vote outside of claims because they will be nonsense.
Also lol at you trying to convince me that you're legit when you supposedly think I'm mafia who ""fake-claimed" a soft or some bullshit.
I'll make it real clear. I am NEVER going to find you convincing when you're claiming that I'm a better lynch than the literal PC claim or the guy he's claiming is a different alignment to you. FMPOV you are mafia who is trying to get one more ML in before dealing with that awkward 1v1-esque claim.
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