[M] Classic Mafia

On March 15 2018 23:57 Alakaslam wrote:
/in
/replace

As needed. Do not prioritize me over another.

On March 16 2018 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
/in

On March 15 2018 23:57 Alakaslam wrote:
/in

None shal pass

On March 16 2018 14:53 ykl wrote:
Uhm, do you take newbies in non-newbie games? Cause

/in

if so. Otherwise, I'd like to obs.

On March 16 2018 17:02 Skynx wrote:
You'll be fine. If feeling psycho, TL provides free service of anonymous crazymofos meetings featuring kushmasta, coag, racebannon & more!

On March 17 2018 16:57 Skynx wrote:

Act II of mafia civil code chapter 420 part 5:

Unless psycho levels are proven by either eternal 0/5 blogs or an entire website dedicated to it, the individual will be represented by "& more" category.

On March 17 2018 01:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm depending on you rsoultin and alakaslam to soul read me and save me

On March 18 2018 03:39 Race Bannon wrote:
My name is Race, and I'm a crazymofo.

Thank you, Skynx. Advertising our support group is much appreciated,
Folks, if you feel like you're losing your mind, remember, Race has btdt.
It's not a contest, and if it was you wouldn't stand a chance, I'm too fast.
There are no rules. Sharing is encouraged, but by no means required.
Join the mailing list or not, expect PMs either way. Stay above the --insert--s

On March 18 2018 15:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Is it just me or do the number of signups just keep increasing?

/out

On March 18 2018 11:05 disformation wrote:
is it time to start with the pregame excuses yet?

On March 20 2018 08:26 Holyflare wrote:


Fite me

On March 20 2018 09:18 Koshi wrote:
##vote Palmar

Got to start on my tunnel early.

On March 20 2018 08:21 Conversion wrote:
Let’s lynch n00bking

On March 20 2018 09:40 disformation wrote:
halp. cant fall asleep. can anyone sing me a lullaby?

On March 20 2018 09:45 Conversion wrote:


I barely kept up with the last game, and I'm not reading any meta so far. We should still lynch n00bking. He is scum.

On March 20 2018 09:57 Mocsta wrote:

SSON

POUR OVER SSON

ESPRESSO SHIT WAS SO LAST GAME MAN

On March 20 2018 10:06 Koshi wrote:

##vote disformation

It's ok. You tried.

On March 20 2018 10:18 Tictock wrote:


That's how you know it is working!

On March 20 2018 10:40 Conversion wrote:


Bad thread entrance and his posts reek scum. He has a 4 post filter and all of his posts are scummy.

Also, I'm not calling out scum reads "cause I need to," I'm calling out scum because they are scum

On March 20 2018 10:46 Conversion wrote:


I'm not here to discuss with you on the merits of my read. You can disagree all you want, but you're not pushing anything yourself and I've overlooked a good amount of your silly shit

On March 20 2018 10:58 Mocsta wrote:
PING.

What gives this impression other than TMI.

Post 9 / 12

On March 20 2018 11:01 ykl wrote:

I don't think either are acting scummy by trying to get the ball rolling but they're doing so with really shitty reasons?

On March 20 2018 11:04 ExO_ wrote:



...why the vote for disinfo here?

On March 20 2018 11:05 Vivax wrote:
And you still didn't explain why what you said makes moosy mafia.

Cause it doesn't and you also have no clue how you got to say that.

On March 20 2018 11:17 darthfoley wrote:


Chester Campbell believes you lot got it all wrong! He finks Mocsta made foktard posts but that is irrelephant to da rayn idea m8

On March 20 2018 11:21 ExO_ wrote:


Again, if he knows the setup, posting asking to explain it is scummy to me.

Do you have any reads on anybody else? Or anything else? or are you just gonna yolo tunnel me as your one contribution?

On March 20 2018 11:22 Conversion wrote:


You can troll the thread, but you can't click two buttons to see he did it in the vote thread.

Hm.

On March 20 2018 11:25 ykl wrote:

Hmm, you want to vote for me but you can't check the voting thread to see if Moosy actually voted for himself there? This seems quite weird.

On March 20 2018 11:31 ykl wrote:

Eh, horrible timing. Also you seem to be able to spam a lot of youtube videos for someone that struggles to even open up 2 threads on the forums on your phone. Guess its a lot easier to juggle two apps on mobile eh?

On March 20 2018 11:32 Tictock wrote:


Stop doing this moosy.

You've done it as town and as scum last game, also it is against the rules of the game. It literally means nothing and is a waste of space.

On March 20 2018 11:32 ykl wrote:
Also, the whole reason Mocsta even called me out to begin with was that I thought Conversion's early call on n00bking was misguided.

On March 20 2018 12:16 n00bKing wrote:
I don't know how to "unlock" Alakaslam, and make him do stuff that's productive (if, in fact, that is a thing that can be accomplished). So I'll make that someone else's problem.

I would support nearly any course of action that makes darthfoley stop doing what he's doing.

I like Koshi's vote on disfo, so I'm gonna join that effort.

##Vote: disformation

More votes on ykl would also be a good thing.

On March 20 2018 12:37 darthfoley wrote:


Chester Campbell likes you m8. Wants you as part of 'is Royal crime unit, aimed at rooting out corropshion 'n big boss crime.

Gwan Slam

On March 20 2018 14:10 Mocsta wrote:
Interesting game so far.

I have observed many are hung up that others arent playing the game, they believe it should be played.
Have we forgotten that mafia dont want early spotlight.. that most of us do the stupid shit not when we are mafia, but instead, when we are town?

I think an environment is being created where yes, plenty of stones are being lifted: Ex0, Conversion, Disinfo, ykl to name a few. However, are these really the best stones we could lift?

I have decided to look elsewhere, and found a stone worth sharing with all.
Now if you want to be smart and say: "Oi m8, if this stone has blended in; how did you find it", my response simply is "You suck, thats how"

Now for the big reveal:
This stone has a filter that rhymes with COCK BLOCK.. yes, it can only be:



##Vote: Tictock

Post 11 / 15

On March 20 2018 20:43 ExO_ wrote:
If HF is a he, I apologize...it's been a while and I forget...did think HF was a she but I might be entirely mistaken.

On March 20 2018 23:58 rsoultin wrote:


You feel different to me, Darth gungan whose name I've just promptly forgotten lol >< Jarjar?

More serious.

Less adorable slamtheman.

Why is ykl a better early scumread than the others you were pushing back on?

On March 21 2018 00:32 Palmar wrote:
slam are you mafia?

On March 20 2018 11:23 ykl wrote:

That's a pretty fair point and I guess I'm more used to passive scum. It seems horrifically weird that you want to go out that early to accuse someone when you're scum and draw attention. IDK, I usually read that as "good but dumb".

Also, I don't mind if you want to put suspicion on me, my posts haven't been great and I'm trying to work out how this goes. Just make sure to read other people too.

On March 20 2018 21:35 KelsierSC wrote:


ok then don't vote and talk about something else.

Honestly you are either scum or town with zero reading comprehension so you aren't that important.

On March 20 2018 22:41 KelsierSC wrote:
i'm going to step away for a few hours because i'm tilted and just being mean to people which is where I didn't want to be. I'll be posting again soon.

I like mocstas list a lot. less sure about vivax's but I have to read it properly.

On March 21 2018 04:22 rsoultin wrote:

-squints at-

Are you now going to tell me you have no idea why you voted for him in the first place?

On March 21 2018 04:27 disformation wrote:

that reminds me: wasn't there some meta about palmar playing/not playing d1 or something?

no offense: but yeah

On March 21 2018 05:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I find myself disagreeing with everything vivax said apart from lyncing exo..although I'm not sure of his reasoning.

Rsoultin said she would be less active this game. I like mocsta, I don't know about NK and TT. Though NK is mostly based on what rayn and hf have said.

Mocsta's list reads a bit better. though I don't see moosy as town after he went fucking nuclear with the self voting.
I do get the same weird feeling about palmar/hf but that might just be paranoia about good players. I think i'd bump vivax down to null and keep mocsta as town though.

Right I need to read the rest of the game and then post about important things. trying to break things up so I don't WoT you guys.

On March 21 2018 05:25 KelsierSC wrote:


Had a few people call out this idea and have to agree with them. We really don't need to consolidate onto dis right now if you have a good read

vivax and hf called it out, yeh im not a big fan, not sure what this accomplishes.

Then again conversion has come back and qualified the statement. So just have to see what he comes back with.

I like rsoultin calling out slam a lot and pushing that vote.
pretty good list post. nothing to write home about but still a solid list

----

Dis list post and follow up - I have specific questions which I will ask in a seperate post

---

apparently I made df cry, I I will attempt to be nicer.
I disagree with what you said on rayn and rsoul. I can't blame you for being confused about my dis vote because I was tilted and shit posting. You do seem to just be parroting sentiment on noobking, have you had original thought? Still have you as scummy but i'm not building a case right now.


FF has rsoultin posting a lot? It's way down on what you would expect and vivax called out rsoultin for not posting enough. I'm not liking ff tbh

----

I'd probably have a lynch pool of

dis,exo,noob,slam,ff, df and moosy

does sicklucker not post d1 anymore?

obviously i need to narrow the list down but i'm good with that pool right now. I can't remember why i asked ticktock a question so hold on

On March 21 2018 05:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:

i tried to but i cant find it


uhhh wtf

On March 21 2018 07:21 Holyflare wrote:
I also agree with read on slam. Far too many coherent sentences and words.

The unvote post struck me as the most uncharacteristic. Just seems off. None of the sson, u see with the eyes of chupazi. The house of maroon thought you were svengali but now you're not.

On March 21 2018 07:33 Conversion wrote:
Meh. I keep rereading n00bking's filter and I don't see town or NAI. I see scum.

His entrance on how many mafia => strategy changing was a horrible post. How is that NAI? Why would a town anyone care about how many mafia there are?

You wrote more but this is what I am concerned with.

On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:
So... im in an odd predicament

(1) I have an important dinner tonight so wont be able to critically read anything
(2) Where I work has been thrown in an unplanned shutdown.. I really dont know if I can commit the time to apply critical thought.

I still think Day1 comes down to resolutions on the big topics:
Slam
Moosy
Ex0/KSC,
Koshi/Disfo/n00bking,
DF

Rest is probably side distractions.

My current (albeit loose) thoughts are:

Above null pile (Ex0_, rsoultin, vivax, rayn, Kelsier, ykl, disinfo, Palmar
Null pile (HF, Conversion, Slam, darthfoley, Rels, tictock, sicklucker, koshi, moosy)
Below null pile (n00bking)

Of the above null, I feel least strong about disinfo as its based on a heuristic that is gut feel only.
Conversion is in null pile as I havent focused on anything he has said.
Slam I would still need to meta-dive.
DF I actually like, but I give pause since so many others have issue. I wouldnt lynch today, and would prefer not to use a bullet on.
tictock is in null pile as I was surprised by the content since waking. Maybe im selfish, but I was quite surprised he didnt ask me anything.
moosy i agree is not on the table Day1. Could be easy mislynch; so focus on other scum team.

Apologies to leave it like this.

On March 21 2018 13:46 Mocsta wrote:
#729 - Slam
Who are you planning to slam with a vote?

On March 21 2018 07:55 n00bKing wrote:

lolwut

On March 21 2018 13:55 Mocsta wrote:
#732
Lol
Did you copy and paste NK from the QT?

Like. I was expecting at least a utube clip at the end bruh.

On March 21 2018 08:20 n00bKing wrote:

Engaging you about what? To "generate the reasons behind" your vote against me? If your vote is earnest, then generating the reasons behind it is your job, not mine. lol

Assuming your vote wasn't earnest, then your tactic is one I've employed many times, and the town was better-served by me letting it play out, instead of immediately demonstrating how there was no reason to vote against me, and shutting down what you were trying to do. If you *were* using that tactic, then I was just as interested to see who might follow along as you were.

If you weren't, then I guess you were only wasting time, but oh well.

On March 21 2018 08:38 n00bKing wrote:

Step 1) I notice that Alakaslam doesn't feel quite the same to me as in the previous game. It seems like his posts are an attempt to artificially recreate his play from the previous game, instead of an authentic repeat of his play from the previous game.

Step 2) rsoul then makes almost the exact same observation.

Step 3) I ask rsoul if she can elaborate on the difference between his play in the two games, so that I can tell if there's any sort of real substantiation that I can investigate, or if she's stuck in the same boat I am (with nothing better to explain the difference than "feelz.") Unfortunately it sounded like she's stuck in the same boat I am.

Making me hesitant to join her effort to get votes on Alakaslam is the fact that in her first lengthy post of the thread, her read on Alakaslam was virtually the ONLY thing that lined up with my own thoughts. Whereas, in the previous game (where I know she was town) her thoughts aligned with what Town me would have been thinking on nearly every non-Holyflare-related subject, the entire game.

On March 21 2018 08:55 Mocsta wrote:
n00bking
indulge with that Ni insight.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=n00bKing
What is your position on top 2 or 3 scum candidates.

+ Show Spoiler [NK] +

LOL. now that I have filter dived
scrap that request

##Vote: n00bking

• Talks about present issues like ExO_, but rarely sharing own position on read
  
• Wants lurkers and new players to be pressured, but no where in filter gets hands dirty
  
• Argues heavily in favour of ExO, without declaring ExO town at any point.. At not point is demonstrating consideration for whether ExO / HF / tictock is T v T or T v S.
  
• Does not seem to consider Conversion is scum. Merely wasting time regardless of being earnest or genuine.

NK is playing filler this cycle, while chastising other players for being illogical.
Classic scum maintaining activity by shitting on others to avoid posting real content.

P.S.NK known for wordplay.. pay attention to end of day posts with moosy/prplhz last game. If NK flips scum, slam is almost certainly scum

On March 21 2018 08:57 n00bKing wrote:

Here's a strategic decision that would be informed on D2 by knowing how many mafia the game started with: WHO TO LYNCH. If you know how many members of the mafia there are, you know how many kills they can execute. Then you can see if any are "missing." If you don't know how many to expect, then a healer doesn't know whether to have added trust toward the target he healed. A roleblocker or jailkeeper doesn't know whether to have added suspicion toward their own target. Circumstantial evidence yielded by the night results will very often outweigh whatever inclinations players previously had, about who "seemed" town and who "seemed" scummy. Instead of the pure guessing game of Day 1, you have hard data to work with...IF you know how many mafia members there are. So it's CRITICAL information. Unfortunately, the OP doesn't even give us a RANGE of possible answers. There's literally nothing keeping this from being an 11/9 setup at this point. Or 19/1.

On March 21 2018 08:58 Mocsta wrote:
Perhaps its the ply of your toilet paper, but you havent tickled me yet in the way a town HF normally tickles me.

I realise I don't know how a scum!HF tickles, but I have certainly seen the town tickle across the games this year.
Until I see a bit more of that magic around the game, you are still in my null pile.

On March 21 2018 09:00 Holyflare wrote:


Funny you mention it now. I'm using it and am thoroughly disappointed.

On March 21 2018 09:01 Mocsta wrote:
Know this. Im vig, and if you arent lynched Day1.
You still wont be around Day2.

On March 21 2018 09:03 Holyflare wrote:
Also post game when I have some time at a computer I am going to be a sad person and systematically dismantle noobking's "logic" posts if he is town because they are so deeply flawed.

I still think he's just mafia though. The last big post to me is re-stating exo nothingness, big post here is talking about mechanics. Don't know who he scum reads (apparently slam now (that "I saw it and then rsoultin did" post looks really unlikely)) because he never states it.

Whole lot of semantics really

On March 21 2018 09:36 n00bKing wrote:

You will fail.

On March 21 2018 10:19 darthfoley wrote:
I do want to shout n00bking out for him revealing the dirty nature of TLMafia meta. With him leading us to victory by taking no stances on anything, he will surely increase his winrate and therefore the win rate of us all

On March 21 2018 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I just wanted to point out I really hate this type of post from people........

On March 21 2018 10:26 darthfoley wrote:


Chester Campbell is still around, but he's only necessary for some people in the thread

On March 21 2018 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Sure. I'll even throw in an explanation for Alakaslam.

Noobking/Slam didn't respond to my bait at the start. The reason why they're there is from tone reads.

Slam's tone reads forced to me and completely different from the last game I played with him. A lot of people already picked up on this.

Noobking goes from setup to picking at what other people are saying which is exactly what he did when I was scum with him last game. The only way I see him being town is because he hasn't really used excessive OMGUS arguments so far. So I would be fine with sheeping a wagon on him.

On March 21 2018 12:41 darthfoley wrote:


LoL. Literally every mafia caught ever fucked up in some way because they were lynched or vigi shot.

What a meaningless semantics to prove your e-peen.

You might actually be Town this game because of how dull of yourself you are compared to last game. Either way you're contributing to toxicity

On March 21 2018 14:34 Alakaslam wrote:

False.

Since I know what actually happened,

##Vote: rsoultin

I have realized she knows better.

She has shadowed me in games and has played with me in many more.

On March 21 2018 12:42 ExO_ wrote:
So far, getting really scummy feelings from rsoultin:

- Doesn't commit to a scum read except on slam (and even says doesn't expect other people to get it).
- Is okay with voting noob not because she thinks he's scum, but because his post makes her yawn? wtf reasoning is that.




Everything else rsoultin said came down to "tone". I don't know, I don't buy it. This rsoultin is very wishy washy and not the town-driving rsoultin I'd expect.

While I'm at it just general other reads from what little I've seen throughout the day via phone

HF - Town
Mocsta - Town

NK - Scummy

On March 21 2018 12:54 darthfoley wrote:




So Kelscier makes some post about me and how he doesn't want to build a case on me when he's been using any reason to scum read me. Chester actually agrees with n00bking that KSC scumreading Chester Campbell is just silly and excuse for a scum read.

Also him claiming that I have no original reads is factually inaccurate and just another excuse to throw shade at Chester Campbell. I'm one of the few people who isn't okay with rsoultin (btw did I just realize your name is "our sultan?") and Rayn.

Btw we should ban Rels for a couple games until he decides to play d1 again. Tired of this shit every game

On March 21 2018 13:06 n00bKing wrote:

I pick almost all of them, then.

#1 - Slam

After making this post:

I then asked this of rsoul:

Hers is the opinion on that question that I am the most interested in, partly because she's the player voting against him, but also because I think it's fair to say that she has posed herself as something of an "Alakaslam whisperer" over the past two games.

Nevertheless, I would gladly hear opinions on that from anyone. Can you expect alignment-indicative reactions when he is pressured, or do you simply have to make a decision of "lynch him or not" because all you're ever going to get is more youtube videos?

#2 - Moosy

His game-opening tactic is one I've seen him use as Town before (so I let him go ahead and do it) but as I've said, I think it hasn't yielded much of anything he can use, this time.

You can put me on the "save Moosy for later" train. Partly because he's committed at least six rules violations so far, and if he keeps doing it, he'll just get himself mod-killed. And also because I seriously doubt his ability to keep me in uncertainty about his alignment for the long-term. I disagree that he's a good N1 vig target, because he will usually respond to posts, regardless of alignment. You may sometimes get trolling, obstinance, or uncooperativeness, but you'll get answers to your questions. He'll (eventually) take positions, make and move votes, explain his motivations, etc. And when you start seeing flips, you can gain a lot of context on which team he's playing for. Can't say any of that about someone like Fecalfeast or Alakaslam (so far).

#3 - Exo vs Kelsier

I think this was a big fat nothing. While it was going on, I just kept waiting for Kelsier to realize it was mostly just a misunderstanding, and move on to something else. This doesn't guarantee it was "T vs T" but I think that's likely. Nothing in the posts from either player has really made me uneasy. Hopefully whenever raynpelikoneet returns, we'll get some thoughts on things that have happened SINCE that exchange, as it was the focus of a lot of his filter.

#4 - Darthfoley

Obviously glad to be seeing less Chester Campbell, as the game goes on. Continue to think invoking the character is on the townier side of null. The HARDCORE waffling on Exo looks like a reasonable thought progression to me, and I like that it ends up in the place I feel like it ought to. So, no interest in making DF a lynch target at this time.

On March 21 2018 13:19 n00bKing wrote:

It's Day 1. Go find me the post where someone said something super exciting and compelling. That's not how this works.

On March 21 2018 16:42 n00bKing wrote:
Mentioned that I wasn't sure how to "unlock" Alakaslam and make him productive. Not sure if I "unlocked" him or "broke" him...but...something's happening, at least.

Regardless of what happens for the rest of the game, signing up was worth it just to see this post:

On March 21 2018 17:07 n00bKing wrote:

Eh. Perfectly happy to help you keep an eye on her, but high-activity players are poor D1 lynches. I expect her to post, I expect her to respond to people who make an effort to engage her, and I expect to be able to read her with a lot more confidence as time goes on. As much as I disagreed with her initial set of musings, I can't support a D1 lynch of rsoul.

On March 21 2018 17:13 rsoultin wrote:


When I say boring I mean focusing and talking about things that aren't interesting/irrelevant.

Which is not something I'd like to attribute to town players. However, there is the possibility that he genuinely believes we can't lynch scum except by happy accident on d1 (or if scum just really fucks up)

On March 21 2018 17:30 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, let me list my points:

- slam entered the thread seeming to have less fun than my experience is when he's town

- he chided people for fast judgments, then made one himself

- picks up the 'slam whisperer' rhetoric when I have not claimed any such thing (if anything, I'm predisposed to townread him, even when he's scum) to push a narrative that scum rsoul wants to use her whisperer clout to get him mislynched d1

- this third point directly contradicts a long-standig view of the game in which slam believes scum tries to keep him as late as possible to mislynch him and win the game off that

No, I don't claim to have a god read on him. I do claim that none of this feels like town slam tone or how slam would think. And I almost never want to lynch him, which makes me more convinced that I'm probably right here.

On March 21 2018 17:34 n00bKing wrote:

Seriously do not know what other interpretation of his words could be considered, other than the one I posted. I'll be way way surprised, if he tells us that wasn't what he meant.

lol, oh god, not another one. You "just found mafia" did you? Stone lock, can't miss red flip right there, huh? Just like HF is gonna take the "free scum?" Just like Mocsta and his assertion that even if Moosy is scum and we pass him over anyway, there's still enough D1 content to lynch successfully anyway??! If you're town, whichever scum read you are MOST confident in, is PROBABLY incorrect. Since I'm town, whichever scum read I am MOST confident in, is PROBABLY incorrect.

On March 21 2018 17:42 rsoultin wrote:
-flicks noob- if you're trying to 'understand' me, the answer to your question about slam is already in the post you just quoted from

And obviously i prefer a slam lynch. But if that doesn't materialize, I want to refine my other reads.

And I really don't see how your list vs my gut with only a little logic mixed in yields the same reads to such an extent that my having different reads than you d1 is enough to not want to vote slam whom you agree with me on!

Plus you simultaneously say

You don't care who gets lynched, must be scum!

And

Anyone who is certain of who they're lynching is bad because they're probably wrong

Makes any earthly sense. It's like...stop being bad. But don't stop too much because townies are bad, and not being bad makes people scum.

How does that even make sense?

On March 21 2018 17:47 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really wanna lynch noob over other names that I haven't created a narrative for yet.

On March 21 2018 17:57 rsoultin wrote:
-facedesks-

And this is yet another reason why I say 'ppl probably won't see what I see'. Managing expectations.

If I don't get anyone to talk to me about slam my head might explode ><

Tell me I am not the only one who knows about his chupazi game theory?

On March 21 2018 18:01 n00bKing wrote:

So...the answer to my question of "how do you get him lynched, while saying that other people won't see what you're scumreading him for?" is...what, this?

"Doesn't mean he can't be lynched for other reasons that I might find less compelling but others like."

Otherwise, no, I don't see how you expect to get him lynched, by doing what you're doing. Which is why I said that it doesn't really seem like you care whether he's the lynch. (Or whether I am. Or who it is.)

Yeah, people who don't care who get lynched are more likely to be scum. agree
And yeah, people who are certain they've got the right D1 lynch are bad/dumb, because they're probably wrong. agree

Town players should care who the lynch is, and try to get their preferred target into the Noose. agree And then they should expect to be wrong, NO and see that player flip Town. They should not prefer the lynch then. Say what you mean, not demonstrative hyperbole. Yes, if people reach higher understanding, they should be open to being wrong as it is rather likely. But they should not vote for something they expect to be wrong, as that is playing into scum’s hands. They should vote for who they expect to be scum, but be willing to consider a world where they are wrong due to the likelihood of that. But I was dead certain of your alignment quite early last game, more certain than I usually ever am, and I was also quite right. But since I did it so early, I purposely second guessed myself a LOT.

Did that really improve your opinion of me? Or did it give you opportunity to manipulate my thinking into almost lynching Holyflare instead? Narcissism is really unhealthy and your next step toward the same rep here that you have on SB and elsewhere is basically ditching Narcissuses. Because both the math AND the game mechanics work together to give you a Day 1 mislynch. Sure- but never tell Han Solo the odds. Nor me, or most of TL Mafia. It’s like playing Star Wars battlefront; Heros and Villains is a very different experience from the main game proper. And unless someone on the scum team seriously BOTCHES the Phase, a mislynch is exactly what you'll get. hold on now we are the site with the good scum players. ...
Well, or I’m wrong and everyone on your site is more rigid to combat the amazing potential scum play? Idk. I was meta lynched too early.

On March 21 2018 18:03 rsoultin wrote:


yes! that is exactly it! thank you

I wish I could say which game he's explained it in. I think more than one. But yes.

On March 21 2018 18:06 KelsierSC wrote:


It was ... a joke. You typically go super hard down a rabbit hole of nonsense. I feel my genius is unappreciated

I really like noobking , I can actually understand what he writes which elevates him above half the game. I have no reason to lynch him other than HF says he is playing like some other scum game. I don't like using that argument and I enjoy his posting so not lynching. I think there is a bit of a gang up here on NK and I don't like it, definitely scum in the people voting him.

@DF

I gave reasons why I found the persona scummy, Then I noticed you had left exo off your town list after calling him smart to start with. I found that scummy at the time but I didn't go hard in the paint trying to lynch you. I just made early game observations.
I questioned you about it and your response that exo went down in your estimation fits with the timeline because that is when he starts defending his moosy vote and not understanding my post. I'm not holding that against you anymore.

I already gave an explanation for the dis vote, exo's inability to read the game is disappointing but not without precedent



exo just didn't see the explanation.



You saw it but didn't buy it, so what is your problem with the explanation exactly?


The way I caught you last time we played was I started pressuring you and you went full retard trying to OMGUS me and call me scum in return. Seems to be happening again.


My lynch pool is moosy,df,dis and slam as a last resort.

Everyone is saying exo is town and our fight was TvT , upsetting if true but If I try and get a lynch going everyone will just say he is stupid not scum and we get nowhere.

Slam you took up an entire page with unintelligible nonsense.

On March 22 2018 03:38 Holyflare wrote:
Why is he not scum?

On March 21 2018 18:24 Koshi wrote:

Not many can understand a prophet his divination. But we as mere mortals can only follow the direction his words lead us.

However, we should not believe every spirit blindly, but test the spirits whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out in this world.

On March 21 2018 18:44 n00bKing wrote:

I don't have any context on whether it's suspicious for Alakaslam to think that "lazy mafia" are pushing him early game, instead of saving him to be mislynched late game.

I DO find it odd that he so confidently named me town in this game. When people voting against me (like HF and Moosy) say they're doing so on the basis that I'm playing the same as the last game. They're right, I'm playing the same as the last game, because I just played my town game for 95% of the last game. HF doesn't seem to know anything about my Town game, and doesn't care. He's just "blah blah, same as other game, blah."

Yet while I AGREE with the people voting against me that I'm playing the same as the last game, Alakaslam correctly labels me Town in this game, after all his "classic scum m8" crap from the previous game. Now yes, I pushed him off of his scumread on me in the prior game, and even had him voting against MY lynch target, eventually. But even so, the speed and accuracy of his townread on me here is cause for pause.

However, I can't help you lynch him, cuz then he'll OMGUS me, and then once Slam gives the go-ahead, Koshi will lynch me with the heat of a thousand suns. And then I flip town, and people are sad. :D

(In all seriousness, Slam is probably fine as a fallback option, with the likes of Rels. From your recent "remove from the lynch pool" list, the only one I disagree with is Rels. I would add to that "remove from the lynch pool" list by putting Tictock in it. I don't have any interest in lynching him. Oh, and me! I should be removed from it too. hehe. I also am not too excited about lynching Conversion, though he's been almost entirely useless, it seems. I can at least hope that he might be useful later. I can't hold out much hope for that in the case of like...Fecalfeast.)

On March 21 2018 18:50 rsoultin wrote:
@NK, don't agree on conv, but your slam point is solid.

@KSC...I still don't remember reading his filter. Would have to check the filters of the people voting him. Which I'll probably do, but honestly I don't want to lynch him anyway because:

- viva read feels genuine to me <- this was my hesitance earlier
- focus on finding scum in those scumreading him feels super natural from town
- he's actually trying to engage me on slam <- entirely selfish reason

Removing disinfo from the lynch pool

On March 24 2018 03:20 Palmar wrote:
Does anyone know why slam ragequit? I read the last posts of his filter but I don’t really understand what pissed him off

On March 24 2018 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar are you around tomorrow? It would make me glad to scumhunt with someone who actually listens to me.

On March 24 2018 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No you dont. I said tomorrow.

On March 24 2018 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am starting to shutting down the factory soon and then im gonna get drunk so no more reading until tomorrow.

On March 24 2018 06:19 darthfoley wrote:


Who's your favorite smasher?

On March 24 2018 08:05 n00bKing wrote:

More fake or less fake than Slam's, in your opinion?
More fake or less fake than rayn's, in your opinion?

On March 24 2018 08:38 n00bKing wrote:

Wrong. It's important to the game because it explains me continually treating Exo as Town (both throughout Day 1 and Night 1) without it meaning I have "TMI." The rationale behind me thinking that early post was town-indicative is relevant. How his exchange with rsoul made me upgrade him to even townier status is also relevant. It explains why during Night 1, I would encourage him to battle through his disappointment over the D1 mislynch, understand that we're expected to mislynch on D1, and keep working at the game. And why I chose him specifically to ask what he thought a town Vigilante should do, if there was one. I trusted HIM to provide an untainted, Town-motivated answer. As it turns out, I didn't like his suggestion of shooting disformation (because of the possibility of an actual mafia Veteran) so I explained that, in case there was a town Vigilante listening, who was waffling on what to do. But I at least trusted him to not try and lead the Vigilante astray in his answer. I certainly did not foresee that the player I was trusting to give untainted advice to the Vigilante might then be shot BY that Vigilante, as may have happened. (It's been mentioned already that a 4-man mafia team that contains a Vigilante could be fine for game balance, but I still have trouble explaining Exo as a kill target for that mafia Vigilante, which is why I am not worrying about mocsta yet for Day 2. If he's scum, he'll need to be caught later, imo)

On March 24 2018 08:43 n00bKing wrote:

Every town player should be stepping back to think about things from a mafia POV from time to time. That's how counterintelligence works.

On March 24 2018 08:54 n00bKing wrote:

Rage quit is how ya stop posting. You haven't seen mafia rage quit before??? I've seen mafia employ this tactic more than once in the same GAME, before. Of course, it's a fake rage quit, so they come back. Know anyone who said they were bailing on this game or "weren't going to play Day 2" but then came back?

lol, and why is that?

On March 24 2018 12:03 Tictock wrote:
I'm pretty null of Dis and Moosy right now.

So this is my current scum pool.

KelsierSC
ykl
n00bking
Fecalfeast

Though tbf I need to re-read KSC, same as a few people have mentioned I just haven't seen anything from him and legit forgot he was in the game for a bit.

I'm still super on board a NK lynch.

On March 22 2018 22:04 Palmar wrote:


The problem is that most people are terrible at mafia, so shooting based on their reads is usually a bad idea.

Here, read this!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/232671-how-to-play-vigilante-and-how-to-play-cop

I actually disagree with Ace on the "nonsense" bit. To me afk people are far worse than people who just troll throughout the game (also I don't wanna have to shoot Chez and Slam every game).

On March 23 2018 18:04 Palmar wrote:


Slam is exponentially more useful than Coag. That should give you an indication of what coag does. Doing nothing is overachieving for him.

On March 23 2018 23:27 Palmar wrote:
To be fair, when you can be meta'd on your ragequits, maybe it's time to chill out a bit.

On March 23 2018 23:32 Palmar wrote:

also as I said I haven't read like 60%+ of the game so I had no idea, I went back through ksc's filter to find what you meant, and yeah, it's kinda shitty of him.

Mafia is an emotional game. You will be called stupid, ignorant, bad, worthless a variation of any of those.. If you can't take that you probably shouldn't be playing. The nature of the game is such that it's emotional, people get invested in their reads and sometimes the game feels unjust.

However, there's no real need to bring in discrimination. You can get your point across without that.

On March 24 2018 03:20 Palmar wrote:
Does anyone know why slam ragequit? I read the last posts of his filter but I don’t really understand what pissed him off

On March 24 2018 12:22 Tictock wrote:


I will probably forever call you scum this game this game if you actually read the game and leave your vote on me.

Fair warning.

On March 24 2018 12:41 darthfoley wrote:


it's all about that knee of justice my man

On March 24 2018 12:36 Tictock wrote:


His latest posts have all been really passive.

Like here is his last 2 posts.




Nothing comes from his list of people to look into, but has this weird "tell me what to do" line directed at noobking in the 2n'd post. Still no follow up.

I pointed out the 2n'd post earlier.

On March 21 2018 08:44 n00bKing wrote:

Okay...soo....if people aren't going to get your slam read, then what keeps your vote on him from being wasted?

Let's say we did get additional votes on Alakaslam. Is his reaction to the added pressure likely to help you further a read on him? Or give you anything you CAN use to convince others? Or would he just post more youtube videos, regardless of alignment, and everyone shrugs and says they can't get a read on him because he's not doing anything?

On March 21 2018 16:42 n00bKing wrote:
Mentioned that I wasn't sure how to "unlock" Alakaslam and make him productive. Not sure if I "unlocked" him or "broke" him...but...something's happening, at least.

Regardless of what happens for the rest of the game, signing up was worth it just to see this post:

On March 21 2018 18:44 n00bKing wrote:

I don't have any context on whether it's suspicious for Alakaslam to think that "lazy mafia" are pushing him early game, instead of saving him to be mislynched late game.

I DO find it odd that he so confidently named me town in this game. When people voting against me (like HF and Moosy) say they're doing so on the basis that I'm playing the same as the last game. They're right,No I'm playing the same as the last game, because I just played my town game for 95% of the last game. No you didn’t, that’s the point. Surely there is No way I am actually a crouching tiger, hidden badass (You’ve probably never heard of the trope, heck I’m not sure you’ll know what tropes are at all) you’re just so excellent that your passivity wins games as town. Oh god, to see you active!

it’s like you don’t know that everyone is inherently biased and therefore don’t even question whether or not your own pride is biasing your take on things. This is why this was so infuriating to me. HF doesn't seem to know anything about m Town game, and doesn't care. He's just "blah blah, same as other game, blah." I note that most people consider him banal, but articulate, while you are considered Pedantic and, well, unsubstantiated. George Bush vs. Al Gore, anyone?

Yet while I AGREE with the people voting against me that I'm playing the same as the last game, which is simply them mistaking your pedantry GOD I FEEL LIKE CUMBERBATCH. You know it’s not really fun sometimes knowing better. Alakaslam correctly labels me Town in this game, I’ve been watching Sherlock that was lame but may as well give context on my own raving after all his "classic scum m8" crap better than you eating your own crap all the time. For the love of God get over yourself. from the previous game. Now yes, I pushed him off of his scumread on me in the prior game, SURE IT WAS ALL YOUR PROWESS NOTHING FROM ME WONDERING WHETHER SUCH APPARENT OBVIOUSNESS COULD BE MY OWN EGO GIVING ME TUNNEL VISION. ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING I FOUND OUT I WAS WRONG ABOUT HF; MAAAAAYBE COULD I BE WRONG ABOUT YOU? Still am considering that! Maybe all I did was teach you how to have an active voice! (Do you even Microsoft word? It’s editing tool used the exact same terminology.and even had him voting against MY lynch targetRespect to Holyflare. He has earned my fear., eventually. But even so, the speed and accuracy of his townread on me here is cause for pause. if you still fail to respect me and puff yourself up every game (just one or the other is acceptable) after this, I will push to policy lynch you in future games. Elephantality (I won’t expose his SB name to you) has spoken of this as a cancer, and if you’re one of those then, however articulate you may be, I’ll meta lynch you back to your brothers like they did me.

However, I can't help you lynch him, cuz then he'll OMGUS me, and then once Slam gives the go-ahead, Koshi will lynch me with the heat of a thousand suns. And then I flip town, and people are sad. :D har har ain’t we smarmy. Wouldn’t it have been great if HF and I had lynched you earlier last game? You’re well on your way to my own reputation here minus my Kawaii. People are already not taking you very seriously. I’d like to see you compare cred with Palmar for one. Marvellosity is another. Leviathan is another.
... watch you be leviathan. But if so? Where is the grace, the willingness to point out things WHILE UTILIZING THEM? Leading the town to getting better, while actually leading the town whether they listen to you or not? I really hope you aren’t Levi.

(In all seriousness, Slam is probably fine as a fallback option, with the likes of Rels. this looks great for me. From your recent "remove from the lynch pool" list, the only one I disagree with is Rels. I would add to that "remove from the lynch pool" list by putting Tictock in it. I don't have any interest in lynching him. Oh, and me! I should be removed from it too. hehe. I also am not too excited about lynching Conversion, though he's been almost entirely useless, it seems. I can at least hope that he might be useful later. I can't hold out much hope for that in the case of like...Fecalfeast.)

On March 24 2018 16:15 n00bKing wrote:

The benefit is that you give yourself cover for not taking positions, not voting, and not even posting. And as I said before, it sets the stage for you to continue to be allowed to get away with not doing much, for fear that if we pressure you, you will take your ball and go home, and we will potentially lose whatever value you could have contributed, if we were simply "nicer."

On March 24 2018 16:41 n00bKing wrote:

Cool. If you're Town, and something I said made you feel disrespected in some way, I apologize as well.

Who you wanna lynch?

On March 24 2018 17:21 rsoultin wrote:


-pokes- you seem to have a pretty good handle on noob. I'm not clear on your posts...do you think he's scum this game? It seems like maybe you don't.

You were talking about how they played on the other site and scum basically playing chicken shit. What bugs me most about noob is his focus on afkers to the exclusion of everything but his counterwagon this phase. Am I wrong to be bugged by that? I.e. is that just how he's been taught to scumhunt on the other site because scum there are chicken shit?

On March 25 2018 10:43 rsoultin wrote:

You've been modkilled dude. Ggs

On March 28 2018 10:33 Tictock wrote:
I dunno, I was gunna write a post to Slam about how he shouldn't throw his frustration about whatever was going on that prevented him from voting into the game, at Calix, all over the place really.

However in some ways this is probably a better outlet then a lot of things.

I can't condone shouting at the Hosts for being forced to mod-kill you. Hosting is a thankless job and Calix did a wonderful job with this game (minus some weird balancing). I hope you gave her an apologie.

On March 28 2018 14:50 Mocsta wrote:
This is pointless.
Some of us have swallowed the red pill in real life, and others haven't.

Every day is about influencing people.

As it works in mafia, being in the same team with people doesnt mean you get what or need by default.

& if you were seeking an answer to that question, there are plenty of jobs like that.

im in the professional sector: major projects and engineering & relatively senior.
Sure, at the bitch level, its do what you are told.
But like spiderman, with great power comes great responsibility !

P.S. i have never been lynched or mislynched in real life