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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2018 10:48 GMT
#901
I mainly townread Palmar because of the one post he made towards me. As mafia Palmar tends to do this thing where he picks my accusation and makes a decision based on how he feels about the accusation (and if it is right / wrong). I know he sometimes does the similar kind of thing as town (calls me mafia because he just doesn't understand what i am saying and he thinks it's retarded) but i do not believe he does what he did here as scum as i have not seen that ever. What i mean is he seems to be actually interested in what i say and WHY instead of just making a decision. That's what i meant by trying to solve the game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2018 10:50 GMT
#902
On March 21 2018 19:45 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 19:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:31 Vivax wrote:
Why is HF town rayn?

Because he isn'tt trying really hard to make the game go where he wants it to go regardless of what he wants.


To me it looks like he was trying really hard to make it go to Noobking.

That is not the impression i get. My impression is that he is actually giving people room to discuss other targets aswell and not just mercily pushing his lynch through. We can probably agree that if HF is mafia noobking is not, and i don't really understand the benefit of doing what HF does unless he is town (since his case is perfectly valid -- and he ALSO can do the thing he does as mafia as town).
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 21 2018 10:51 GMT
#903
On March 21 2018 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 19:45 Vivax wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:31 Vivax wrote:
Why is HF town rayn?

Because he isn'tt trying really hard to make the game go where he wants it to go regardless of what he wants.


To me it looks like he was trying really hard to make it go to Noobking.

That is not the impression i get. My impression is that he is actually giving people room to discuss other targets aswell and not just mercily pushing his lynch through. We can probably agree that if HF is mafia noobking is not, and i don't really understand the benefit of doing what HF does unless he is town (since his case is perfectly valid -- and he ALSO can do the thing he does as mafia as town).


So you say mafia HF would start shitting on anyone not voting noobking with him? A bold claim.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2018 10:51 GMT
#904
On March 21 2018 19:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 19:41 rsoultin wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:37 rsoultin wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:23 rsoultin wrote:
-flails-

joooooni you don't want to lynch anyone i do except ff and sl lol ><

do you have a game in mind where slam breaks with his chupazi mindset and does this as town? because if that's the case i'm not as sure on him

i really do think that disinfo's approach to people scumreading him is more likely to come from town. do you disagree?

I know lol.

I don't know, i am generally terrible at reading disfo, but if, AND WHEN what Koshi told me in last game's obs QT (when i was sure disfo is mafia and he was town) stands, i think he is mafia. I know i am kind of contradicting here but I trust Koshi and my own evidence says mafia.


nh

all of these secret reasons @.@ slam is town for -insert reason that can't be discussed- disinfo is scum for -insert mystery reason-

pfft. i think you and mocsta are town so this is just rude

uh what? I have no secret reasons anywhere.

Then what did he tell you in obs? I don't even know which obs you're referring to lol ><

I can't find the obs or the game but he said something along the lines "disformation is town because he makes a really good point and then waffles on it". There are no really good points here, not even quite good....

rsoultin it was not in any obs it was post-game in the game we both played in last time, don't have time to check the game since i need to go mobile.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2018 10:52 GMT
#905
On March 21 2018 19:51 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:45 Vivax wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:31 Vivax wrote:
Why is HF town rayn?

Because he isn'tt trying really hard to make the game go where he wants it to go regardless of what he wants.


To me it looks like he was trying really hard to make it go to Noobking.

That is not the impression i get. My impression is that he is actually giving people room to discuss other targets aswell and not just mercily pushing his lynch through. We can probably agree that if HF is mafia noobking is not, and i don't really understand the benefit of doing what HF does unless he is town (since his case is perfectly valid -- and he ALSO can do the thing he does as mafia as town).


So you say mafia HF would start shitting on anyone not voting noobking with him? A bold claim.

No i am saying he would try harder to push the lynch. I am not sure why you manage to completely misconstrue what i say...
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 21 2018 10:54 GMT
#906
On March 21 2018 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 19:51 Vivax wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:45 Vivax wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:31 Vivax wrote:
Why is HF town rayn?

Because he isn'tt trying really hard to make the game go where he wants it to go regardless of what he wants.


To me it looks like he was trying really hard to make it go to Noobking.

That is not the impression i get. My impression is that he is actually giving people room to discuss other targets aswell and not just mercily pushing his lynch through. We can probably agree that if HF is mafia noobking is not, and i don't really understand the benefit of doing what HF does unless he is town (since his case is perfectly valid -- and he ALSO can do the thing he does as mafia as town).


So you say mafia HF would start shitting on anyone not voting noobking with him? A bold claim.

No i am saying he would try harder to push the lynch. I am not sure why you manage to completely misconstrue what i say...


Well you said he gives us room to discuss other things. If he tried to take away room for us, what else would he do in your opinion, besides shitting on anyone not voting noobking?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 21 2018 10:55 GMT
#907
But I get it now, you think he'd simply post more about Noobking where more is some number between 0 and infinity.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 21 2018 10:56 GMT
#908
On February 13 2018 19:18 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2018 19:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still realyl don't understand why people townread you on N1 but maybe i am just bad.
You say things like:
On February 13 2018 08:54 disformation wrote:
igoring d1. less likely that scum did nothing and just sheeped rayn on rs. that makes conv and df look better. esp if damdy is town.

So, idk, do conv and df look like scum if damdred is town then or what?

Small meta thing. Disfo tends to make good posts as mafia and then goes "rawr rawr my post is so good rawr rawr"

But as town he makes a good point and then instantly counters his own good point with like a supershitty point and acts like his good point isnt good anymore.


It's funny.

I did this on mobile.

Anyway. I am not scumreading disfo for any of this. I just voted him for a small thing and have not found a reason to go off him. Not in his play. Not in other people their play.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2018 10:56 GMT
#909
He has a point that is agreed with the people currently not voting for noobking. It doesnt require shitting on people, it would just require more convincing that he has done.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2018 10:57 GMT
#910
I dont quote on phone let alone search for some other game.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 21 2018 10:58 GMT
#911
He's not wrong. I'd more than happily argue semantics and logic with him. In fact I'm trying my hardest not to.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 21 2018 11:00 GMT
#912
Disfo is in my scum pile I think. Not because I've read his posts - in fact I think he's said some things that align with what I've said - but because he hasn't waffled or said anything cool to me yet.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 21 2018 11:00 GMT
#913
On March 21 2018 19:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 19:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:41 rsoultin wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:37 rsoultin wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:23 rsoultin wrote:
-flails-

joooooni you don't want to lynch anyone i do except ff and sl lol ><

do you have a game in mind where slam breaks with his chupazi mindset and does this as town? because if that's the case i'm not as sure on him

i really do think that disinfo's approach to people scumreading him is more likely to come from town. do you disagree?

I know lol.

I don't know, i am generally terrible at reading disfo, but if, AND WHEN what Koshi told me in last game's obs QT (when i was sure disfo is mafia and he was town) stands, i think he is mafia. I know i am kind of contradicting here but I trust Koshi and my own evidence says mafia.


nh

all of these secret reasons @.@ slam is town for -insert reason that can't be discussed- disinfo is scum for -insert mystery reason-

pfft. i think you and mocsta are town so this is just rude

uh what? I have no secret reasons anywhere.

Then what did he tell you in obs? I don't even know which obs you're referring to lol ><

I can't find the obs or the game but he said something along the lines "disformation is town because he makes a really good point and then waffles on it". There are no really good points here, not even quite good....

rsoultin it was not in any obs it was post-game in the game we both played in last time, don't have time to check the game since i need to go mobile.


Okay. I vaguely remember that specific comment, actually. It just sounds highly subjective? I presume that's why you're trusting koshi, then.

Nh. I really can't pinpoint my issue with Palmar. Mocsta's point seems valid enough, but I was hardly looking at him that closely. It just felt...eh. God I'm awful at these explanations. Like, a town Palmar trolling or giving his sword to someone he townreads, etc. etc. can feel eh and that to me makes sense. He doesn't have the time or didn't put the time in. (Admittedly, I am shit at reading a trolling Palmar and will townread him when he's scum then.)

But feeling eh while appearing to try? That's not something I associate with town Palmar. Especially when he enters the thread like he intends to take it over and be the town god leading us to victory lol >< which is the impression I got from some of his posts.

As I said, it's entirely feels. I can claim that it vaguely reminds me of other games in which he was scum but my memory of those are so hazy that hardly matters.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2018 11:00 GMT
#914
Disfo has definitely waffled, in almost every post of his. But i dont think its town waffle.
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 21 2018 11:07 GMT
#915
On March 21 2018 02:56 disformation wrote:
aight. a shame this is no m13. feel like in a m13 3 votes + ppl already being willing to consolidate on me there would be a really high chance for scum being in there.

hoshi:
has done this minimalistic / no fucks given D1 stuff as town before. even got him ml d1 in a game I was in for it.
thing that confuses me is that he seemed to have a really good read on me in a recent game.
so a bit paraboid, but would not want to lynch atm.

ksc:
no idea why that dude is so angry.
other than that his filter looks like he is actually trying to figure out the game.
though. It is somewhat puzzling to me that he understands koshi's read on me, cause I figured that to be more of a meta thing? hm. actually think he saw something else but similar in my post? *shrugs*
gonna call him town for actually trying to figure stuff out.

nk:
still has the least explained vote on me. and that is not an easy feat given how detailed the reads/votes of ksc and hoshi are. HF's posts on him also were not bad. decent scum chance I guess. though as conv pointed out, he also is giving no fucks. like wouldn't have scum pulled _some_ excuse to vote me out of their ass by now?

conv:
hm. actually fairly locked in on nk for most of his filter. somewhat annoyed at md. think some ppl posted he sounds a bit forced? not really getting that feeling tbh. would feel better if he had more reads than like nk as scum and me as implied scum lean? super lukewarm.

so. if there is scum on me it's prolly nk or maybe conv. full paranoia on koshi if he is alive like d4or something. if all four of them are town imma be somewhat sad.

dinner and then I want to look at exo and his vote on ksc again.


^ This is admittedly a generalization independent of meta because I don't have a mental profile of him, but approaching the game from the perspective of 'hey, people are voting for me, which (one) of them is/are mafia' is something I generally associate with town.

(And he wants to engage with me about slam ;o;)
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2018 11:10 GMT
#916
Idk if he does that, i generally think thats nai.
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ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 21 2018 11:11 GMT
#917
Vivax I think you're tunneling me super hard and finding a way to see everything I do in a bad light instead of actually reading my posts and focusing on their content. In fact going through your filter tunneling me is the only thing you've done the entire Day 1 while offering very little in the way of analysis of my posts or analysis of other players.

Maybe it's OMGUS a little bit, but you look like scum tunneling your one read (similar to what rsoultin was doing until she was called out for it last night by me/DF).

Again I ask do you have any other scum read, and what's the reason for them? Or is it just "ignore all ExO's posts, I'm going to call him scum without reading his posts all day" day
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2018 11:13 GMT
#918
Didnt disfo say he sucks at reading slam? If so whats the point of engaging the meta/tone discussion then? Also i dont understand how anyone readsbticktoc as town.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 21 2018 11:15 GMT
#919
On March 21 2018 20:11 ExO_ wrote:
Vivax I think you're tunneling me super hard and finding a way to see everything I do in a bad light instead of actually reading my posts and focusing on their content. In fact going through your filter tunneling me is the only thing you've done the entire Day 1 while offering very little in the way of analysis of my posts or analysis of other players.

Maybe it's OMGUS a little bit, but you look like scum tunneling your one read (similar to what rsoultin was doing until she was called out for it last night by me/DF).

Again I ask do you have any other scum read, and what's the reason for them? Or is it just "ignore all ExO's posts, I'm going to call him scum without reading his posts all day" day


I don't know what to think of this when I'm at the same time scumreading your scumread but apparently you might have missed me giving an opinion on almost everyone in the game already?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 21 2018 11:19 GMT
#920
And I don't like that your post is basically begging me to unscumread you. I don't hate you ExO I just think you are mafia and I have to lynch mafia to play the game. So please stop giving me a guilty conscience.
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