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On March 21 2018 20:41 ExO_ wrote:
@rsoultin,
Can you explain your initial comment saying "I don't think noob is scum, but I could vote him because I'm bored". I don't understand how that post can come from a town player.
If Slam isn't the lynch today who would your second choice be and why?
I didn't say that lol ><
Palmar, and I've already explained.
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On March 21 2018 20:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 20:38 rsoultin wrote:On March 21 2018 20:32 Koshi wrote:
5 mafia would be unbalanced unless town has 3 protection roles so I am assuming 4 mafia.
If there are 5 mafia hosts fucked up. Or should asap change the amount of night kills. So if there are 5 mafia. Contact the hosts that their balance is potentially shit.
Remember mafia has members/2 night kills rounded up. So 4 makes a lot of sense. Calix is probably smart. -shrugs- idk. i think assuming there's 5 isn't awful, because if we're wrong we just win earlier \o/ or...were not going to win anyway? lol Artanis and you are so alike. 11vs3 is a normal game. So you think it is fine to add 66% more mafia while adding less than 40% townies while making it so that mafia has 300% more killing power than normal, well let's say 250% more on average with roles. If this isnt 16 vs 4 I will be so sad. More townies is balanced with a shitton more nk power.
Okay, you're probably right
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On March 21 2018 20:56 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 20:41 ExO_ wrote:
@rsoultin,
Can you explain your initial comment saying "I don't think noob is scum, but I could vote him because I'm bored". I don't understand how that post can come from a town player.
If Slam isn't the lynch today who would your second choice be and why? I didn't say that lol >< Palmar, and I've already explained.
On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I could vote noob. Not because I think he's the scummiest scummer to ever scum or even think this aligns that much with last game, but because his posting kind of makes me yawn.
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On March 21 2018 21:03 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 20:56 rsoultin wrote:On March 21 2018 20:41 ExO_ wrote:
@rsoultin,
Can you explain your initial comment saying "I don't think noob is scum, but I could vote him because I'm bored". I don't understand how that post can come from a town player.
If Slam isn't the lynch today who would your second choice be and why? I didn't say that lol >< Palmar, and I've already explained. Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I could vote noob. Not because I think he's the scummiest scummer to ever scum or even think this aligns that much with last game, but because his posting kind of makes me yawn.
Yes, this is what I said lol.
I mean, the point is I didn't find anything super scummy about noob I just found his posts boring?
That's a far cry from saying I'm voting him because I don't think he's scum and I'm bored.
I'm not sure how to make this clearer to you.
Other people say he's scummy for doing the thing he did last game.
I say I don't really see anything glaringly scummy, and it's not actually that close to what happened last game. But his posts are boring. I.e. could be scum.
Do you not understand why boring posts could yield scum? It means a player isn't going anywhere or saying anything interesting...i.e. blending, possibly having trouble scumhunting.
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Basically I don't know how I can explain it to you if you can't see the difference between those two statements lol ><
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On March 21 2018 03:54 rsoultin wrote:
Was gonna wait until he got back to me, but whatevs.
##vote: Alakaslam
I'd rather people start taking stances on him, and that's unlikely to happen if I just come in occasionally and say, hey, but that slam guy!
this is the most insecure vote I've ever seen
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On March 21 2018 21:09 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 21:03 ExO_ wrote:On March 21 2018 20:56 rsoultin wrote:On March 21 2018 20:41 ExO_ wrote:
@rsoultin,
Can you explain your initial comment saying "I don't think noob is scum, but I could vote him because I'm bored". I don't understand how that post can come from a town player.
If Slam isn't the lynch today who would your second choice be and why? I didn't say that lol >< Palmar, and I've already explained. On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I could vote noob. Not because I think he's the scummiest scummer to ever scum or even think this aligns that much with last game, but because his posting kind of makes me yawn. Yes, this is what I said lol. I mean, the point is I didn't find anything super scummy about noob I just found his posts boring? That's a far cry from saying I'm voting him because I don't think he's scum and I'm bored. I'm not sure how to make this clearer to you. Other people say he's scummy for doing the thing he did last game. I say I don't really see anything glaringly scummy, and it's not actually that close to what happened last game. But his posts are boring. I.e. could be scum. Do you not understand why boring posts could yield scum? It means a player isn't going anywhere or saying anything interesting...i.e. blending, possibly having trouble scumhunting.
I think it’s a contradiction. If boring posts are scummy, then you should think his posts are scummy if you think they’re boring.
I don’t think it’s a very good reason to say you’re okay with lynching him just because his posts are boring. In my opinion you are directly stating you do not find him scummy but don’t care, not that you find him boring and therefore scummy.
Town should want to lynch scum, not a boring town
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On March 21 2018 07:47 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 07:39 Conversion wrote:
did rels or sicklurker even post? must have been a quick filter dive nope they did not. yeah it was. basically dived rels, sicklucker, Darthfoley, rayn and moosy. Only content in darthfoley and moosy 
rayn has plently of content to get a read from?
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On March 21 2018 21:20 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 21:09 rsoultin wrote:On March 21 2018 21:03 ExO_ wrote:On March 21 2018 20:56 rsoultin wrote:On March 21 2018 20:41 ExO_ wrote:
@rsoultin,
Can you explain your initial comment saying "I don't think noob is scum, but I could vote him because I'm bored". I don't understand how that post can come from a town player.
If Slam isn't the lynch today who would your second choice be and why? I didn't say that lol >< Palmar, and I've already explained. On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I could vote noob. Not because I think he's the scummiest scummer to ever scum or even think this aligns that much with last game, but because his posting kind of makes me yawn. Yes, this is what I said lol. I mean, the point is I didn't find anything super scummy about noob I just found his posts boring? That's a far cry from saying I'm voting him because I don't think he's scum and I'm bored. I'm not sure how to make this clearer to you. Other people say he's scummy for doing the thing he did last game. I say I don't really see anything glaringly scummy, and it's not actually that close to what happened last game. But his posts are boring. I.e. could be scum. Do you not understand why boring posts could yield scum? It means a player isn't going anywhere or saying anything interesting...i.e. blending, possibly having trouble scumhunting. I think it’s a contradiction. If boring posts are scummy, then you should think his posts are scummy if you think they’re boring. I don’t think it’s a very good reason to say you’re okay with lynching him just because his posts are boring. In my opinion you are directly stating you do not find him scummy but don’t care, not that you find him boring and therefore scummy. Town should want to lynch scum, not a boring town
Your opiniion is wrong  I know what I said. And I wasn't looking to lynch 'boring town'
You are taking qualifiers and using them as absolutes.
He is not the scummiest scum who ever scummed =/= he is not scummy.
I don't know how to teach you reading comprehension. And I don't have much nice to say. Like, I know for a fact that I have probably some of the best reading comprehension in the States, at least out of those who bother to apply for graduate programs. Highest percentile.
I don't actually KNOW what people should be able to comprehend and shouldn't. But my instinctive response to this is to call you bad for not being able to read.
But if you want to put a vote on me or call me scum based off not understanding English and choosing to interpret it differently than it was written, I can't stop you. And I don't think you're scum, so whatever.
This is pointless.
Once you have an actual reason to scumread me, I might address it. Otherwise -shoos-
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@rs: did look at the host revenge game. slam looked very different to here.
i also don't think he would care that much about ppl voting him that much normally.
but as a question: does it look different from only his town games or both his town and scum games? dont recall any scum slam games I was, link me a good one?
though if the theory works then slam should think you are town for voting him early. as scum tries to keep him alive for long. the thing is, he hasn't posted about that theory thing recently hasnt he? maybe he forgot?
so the question would be:
@slam:
chupazi theory or:
On March 21 2018 13:52 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:
So... im in an odd predicament
(1) I have an important dinner tonight so wont be able to critically read anything
(2) Where I work has been thrown in an unplanned shutdown.. I really dont know if I can commit the time to apply critical thought.
I still think Day1 comes down to resolutions on the big topics:
Slam
Moosy
Ex0/KSC,
Koshi/Disfo/n00bking,
DF
Rest is probably side distractions.
My current (albeit loose) thoughts are:
Above null pile (Ex0_, rsoultin, vivax, rayn, Kelsier, ykl, disinfo, Palmar
Null pile (HF, Conversion, Slam, darthfoley, Rels, tictock, sicklucker, koshi, moosy)
Below null pile (n00bking)
Of the above null, I feel least strong about disinfo as its based on a heuristic that is gut feel only.
Conversion is in null pile as I havent focused on anything he has said.
Slam I would still need to meta-dive.
DF I actually like, but I give pause since so many others have issue. I wouldnt lynch today, and would prefer not to use a bullet on.
tictock is in null pile as I was surprised by the content since waking. Maybe im selfish, but I was quite surprised he didnt ask me anything.
moosy i agree is not on the table Day1. Could be easy mislynch; so focus on other scum team.
Apologies to leave it like this. Like shit I’m a big topic still. Consider lynching me like lynching little Blazinghand. I am really actually quite good; I’m just too nervous to ditch the façade just yet. Also, late game I wifom myself to the 5th level so I become easily influenced again. So I’m a mid game player. Give me the mid game, and I’ll benefit. I really shine when you throw me in at the middle. But lynching me early is just a waste. Say I were actually mafia even. Do you really think I am a good day one lynch mafia player? I am shit at pushing a real lynch I actually believe in (read last game! I couldn’t even do it with HF’s dogged help, and he is one of the best!) so what real use am I to a scumteam? Except to bus. So now, if you’re pushing me as scum? Consider this. As your scummate, (lol), I just took away your ability to bus me without heavily implicating yourself- EVERYONE KNOWS MY POINT IS RIGHT; I AM A GREAT BUSSING TARGET. SO NOW YOU INCRIMINATE YOURSELF. You ask, “lol slam cracked poor guy” in the QT, “how the hell does he think this will implicate us with his flip?” Here’s the kicker. Town, if you push me with genuine intent on me being scum, you are a lazy ass and deserve to lose. I am, if not THE least, one of the least influential players on this forum- I SAY BAR NONE, and challenge you to lift my spirits a bit and prove me wrong. So when I flip town? You deserve to be suspected. BAM MAFIA GOTTA BACK OFF.
which one is it?
but i am not gonna lie, between him being very different and him being apparently fairly upset by that vote, he makes me nervous.
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I am awake! going to focus somewhere besides n00king today and read whatever else he wrote while I went away from the thread
I’m also ignoring anything moosy or slam says so let me know if they say something useful
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hi rels
also good news: got coffee
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hmm... lemme look at rayn.
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meh
@ExO that was mean. I'm letting myself get frustrated. I'm just not sure why you bother asking the question if you're then going to insist on interpreting it however you damn well please when I explain it to you.
@disfo it's based off how I read him last game that i felt worked better than how i did in the past. the chupazi thing was mentioned last game? but not explained. let me find it
as for scum games, don't know. i just think a difference in gameplay + a difference in mindset = high chance of his flipping scum. could do a meta dive if ppl remain resistant and it looks like no one will bother lynching/shooting him. see if i'm wrong (like joni suggests) or if there's more evidence that might help me get him lynched
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On March 21 2018 12:54 darthfoley wrote:
Btw we should ban Rels for a couple games until he decides to play d1 again. Tired of this shit every game
I actively fought my hate of D1 to use my lunch break on this game.
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yo
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On March 21 2018 21:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 21:20 ExO_ wrote:On March 21 2018 21:09 rsoultin wrote:On March 21 2018 21:03 ExO_ wrote:On March 21 2018 20:56 rsoultin wrote:On March 21 2018 20:41 ExO_ wrote:
@rsoultin,
Can you explain your initial comment saying "I don't think noob is scum, but I could vote him because I'm bored". I don't understand how that post can come from a town player.
If Slam isn't the lynch today who would your second choice be and why? I didn't say that lol >< Palmar, and I've already explained. On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I could vote noob. Not because I think he's the scummiest scummer to ever scum or even think this aligns that much with last game, but because his posting kind of makes me yawn. Yes, this is what I said lol. I mean, the point is I didn't find anything super scummy about noob I just found his posts boring? That's a far cry from saying I'm voting him because I don't think he's scum and I'm bored. I'm not sure how to make this clearer to you. Other people say he's scummy for doing the thing he did last game. I say I don't really see anything glaringly scummy, and it's not actually that close to what happened last game. But his posts are boring. I.e. could be scum. Do you not understand why boring posts could yield scum? It means a player isn't going anywhere or saying anything interesting...i.e. blending, possibly having trouble scumhunting. I think it’s a contradiction. If boring posts are scummy, then you should think his posts are scummy if you think they’re boring. I don’t think it’s a very good reason to say you’re okay with lynching him just because his posts are boring. In my opinion you are directly stating you do not find him scummy but don’t care, not that you find him boring and therefore scummy. Town should want to lynch scum, not a boring town Your opiniion is wrong I know what I said. And I wasn't looking to lynch 'boring town' You are taking qualifiers and using them as absolutes. He is not the scummiest scum who ever scummed =/= he is not scummy. I don't know how to teach you reading comprehension. And I don't have much nice to say. Like, I know for a fact that I have probably some of the best reading comprehension in the States, at least out of those who bother to apply for graduate programs. Highest percentile. I don't actually KNOW what people should be able to comprehend and shouldn't. But my instinctive response to this is to call you bad for not being able to read. But if you want to put a vote on me or call me scum based off not understanding English and choosing to interpret it differently than it was written, I can't stop you. And I don't think you're scum, so whatever. This is pointless. Once you have an actual reason to scumread me, I might address it. Otherwise -shoos-
You’re right it’s not absolute — but I think you’re using qualifiers to hide the intention behind your opinion (and also attempting to insult my reading comprehension to do the same thing). He’s not the scummiest scum to ever scum could imply he’s scum but not that scummy, or that he’s town. You’re follow up sentence that you want to lynch him because he’s boring implies town moreso in my eyes.
Regardless you’re avoiding posting your opinion here: Did you think noob was scum? Did you think he was town?
Either way I think your use of wanting to do it just because he’s boring is bad here
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noob's later posts are alright. perhaps I'm just reading his tone as scum when it's not.. hm. definitely have been guilty of this in the past. asshole != scum
going to dive disfo and ExO. I do not think Kels is scum
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On March 21 2018 20:46 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 18:50 rsoultin wrote:
@NK, don't agree on conv, but your slam point is solid.
@KSC...I still don't remember reading his filter. Would have to check the filters of the people voting him. Which I'll probably do, but honestly I don't want to lynch him anyway because:
- viva read feels genuine to me <- this was my hesitance earlier
- focus on finding scum in those scumreading him feels super natural from town
- he's actually trying to engage me on slam <- entirely selfish reason
Removing disinfo from the lynch pool Can you point to where you found vivax Scum hunting? Maybe my lenses are clouded here, but it looks to me like he hasn't done a lot of this. Again, it looks to me like he's tunneled me without really even analyzing my posts, and outside of that not scum hunted at all.
also @rsoultin, this post—where have you seen Vuvax scum hunting?
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I'm caught up. I skimmed the last ~5 pages 'cause my lunch break is coming to an end really soon. Notes:
+ Show Spoiler +KSC: funny, incisive comments.
Mocsta: weirdly stubborn about his idea of having a limit.
rayn: probably town.
TT: random post 1 and 2, horrible post 3.
Mocsta: continues to blow limited posts for nothing. Why having a limit if you shitpost ? Maybe scum imposing itself a style and not wanting to back off his idea.
Conversion: p12 good post to TT.
ykl: p12 good pots for a newbie, focused on looking for the scums.
Mocsta: p12 questionning and attacking this particular post of ykl with a question and "TMI". Bad.
Vivax: p12 good attack on Exo.
Conversion: p13 being annoyed at Moosy seems genuine.
rsoul: p15 weird post. Wants to see more.
Mocsta: Attacking the rsoul weird post. Good.
rayn is town.
NK: p19 townie feels, thinking about mafia motivations beyond surface level.
Palmar: "I'm suspicious of this. Ticktock's post isn't funny at all. It's not even a smile or a chuckle worthy, it actually put me in a worse mood, but only slightly." hahaha
Don't understand rayn's logic against exo, will have to take time to read it if it's still relevant when I'm caught up.
rsoul: p24 more reads than interacting. Don't like at all. Maybe scum.
disfo: p25 cool under pressure when I would expect him to tryhard. As scum he has a panic attack each time he's scumread, and it doesn't show here.
DF: being a dick to KSC is townie.
rsoul: p26 needs an excuse to vote. I hate rsoul this game.
Moosy: p28 probably town. Repeted self voting dumbness then real play. I like it.
Mocsta: p30 claiming vig ?
Mocsta: p30 says rayn has no content ? Very weird.
TT: p30 like his catching up post.
Mocsta: p32 vig or scum. Will get solved at some point then.
NK: p32 very townie bragging post.
TT: p34 probably town.
p35 seems like a giant town battle.
p36: Mocsta and Vivax discussion seem super genuine.
rsoul: p40 bad post at NK that has no motivation apart from trying to change his view.
Koshi: probably doesn't post like that as scum. Lynch pool getting smaller and smaller.
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