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On March 23 2018 18:36 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)
Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?
Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).
Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading. This feels astoundingly contrived. Why would someone post about the flips while admitting they aren't caught up enough on the thread to know anything about what they mean?
Kus I knew what time it was, and it saved me from fruitlessly responding to several of HF’s posts.
Also why do I need to be caught up to know what flips mean? A flip by its very definition is more informative than any amount of reading I could do.
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On March 23 2018 19:05 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:
Tbh it is rather odd Mafia did not shoot into either of Mocsta or Dis. Now why is that something you would want "to be honest" about?  Mocsta was fairly close to being lynched on D1, so HF and I both felt comfortable saying he would not be killed. He was too tantalizing as a mislynch target. Meanwhile: Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:
Idk why but I feel like Mafia are quite likely to have a strongarm this game, and Dis prob should have died. Though it's not impossible they left him alive for WIFOM.
Kind of ridiculous. Why should they have wasted a Strongarm to kill an exposed Veteran? Here are the 9 potential Town roles: Veteran, Roleblocker, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Vigilante Every single one of them can help the Town catch scum, help the Town kill scum, or help the Town prevent kills by the scum....EXCEPT an exposed Veteran. If we assume disformation is a legitimate Town Veteran, then: barring a scenario where he becomes the "Town Jesus" that was described earlier, there is NO rush to eliminate him. He's been completely neutralized by virtue of claiming his actual role, instead of just saying he was blue.
Cool, thanks for helping me understand why mafia would leave a claimed Veteran alive.
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On March 23 2018 19:18 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 14:05 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2018 20:50 Holyflare wrote:On March 20 2018 20:27 Palmar wrote:So here's the argument as I understood it (I'm ignoring some early parts): 1) Exo claims hf is "not blue" 2) Ticktock votes Exo for this, claiming he doesn't believe exo has such a read (I agree, that's a stupid read) 3) noobking makes the claim that exo's read makes no sense from either perspective (aka, not really relevant) This is where I get confused. You respond with this hf: On March 20 2018 17:00 Holyflare wrote:
[red]Not really true. Mafia want to post anything they can under the guise of scum hunting. Posting that I'm not a role isn't helping mafia in ANY way, it doesn't further any kind of scum read since I'm vt or mafia and it's just a completely empty read with nothing said. Good scum read. In which you sound like you disagree with noobking (red) and then agree with him (green). Then you say "good scum read", when I don't really see him scumreading anyone, or is that referring to someone else? what am I missing? Ticktock says makes exo mafia for irrelevant post. I agreed with ticktock. Noobking says it doesn't make him mafia, in fact it makes him more likely TOWN because "it doesn't help mafia to post like that". I disagree with his premise that it makes exo town. I still agree with ticktock that it makes exo more likely mafia. It's an irrelevant post that has no real reason to post it for. It looks like he's scum hunting by posting a read but it's not actually a read. [red]Then noobking argues with me that it doesn't try and look like scum hunting instead of anything to do with exo's motivation for posting in the first place. Drawn down to semantics. Perhaps not semantics.. rather, TMI Rather...perhaps I was just RIGHT? And Holyflare was WRONG. And Tictock was either wrong or scum. Yeah...that makes for an extremely simple explanation of things, in place of "TMI." But hey, if you want to claim "TMI" for my townread and defense of Exo, then you don't need to stop there. Keep digging in my filter, and I promise you'll find moooorrrre of it, because Exo was one of my Top 2 townreads in the whole friggin' game. If the original town indicator wasn't enough for others, I have no idea why they still wouldn't decide he was Town after the most convincing continuous string of dumbtown posts I may ever have seen. Page after page, he had me chuckling through a facepalm, and eventually rsoul got so fed up with him that she (while saying she didn't think he was scum) made a post that essentially read like "I don't want to tell you that you're an idiot who can't read....BUT...." I felt a little bit bad for her, but mostly I felt bad for Vivax, if Vivax was scum, and Exo was the guy he was going to try and push, that day. Because Exo's posting I felt made him a million percent lynchproof. It would have been doubly bad for scum Vivax because multiple players were saying that Exo and Kelsier (the other guy Vivax was pushing) appeared to be the same alignment. Such that Exo accidentally tripping and falling into a vat of neon green paint was going to render Vivax's other target lynchproof as well. Alas, Vivax was Town, so all this potential hilarity was for naught. Anyway, you acted bummed that your top townread (Vivax) was killed last night. I'm pretty much in that same boat...thanks to YOU. So if you're a Town vigilante, then you're one in the hole, with that shot. Try not to get yourself two in the hole by contributing to my mislynch today. How can I help you keep from doing that?
Could you try and spew this sort of self-righteous word vomit outside the thread please?
Literally 3 paragraphs of “told ya so” that added nothing to the game.
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On March 23 2018 22:17 ykl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 19:35 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track What would lead you to this assumption? Its not really a complicated thought process. Scum notices them getting suspected -> scum panics -> scum kills to get people off their trail. Its pretty much the simplest conclusion possible and probably the dumbest one but I'm a really stupid person so I'll go with this first before considering the paranoia theory that they were targeted because they're wrong to sow some confusion. Unless you have a better suggestion for me to look into, I'll give it my utmost consideration.
Noting this post, especially if there is nothing else from y’all after this.
This first bit is fine, but I don’t like him calling himself stupid. Feels like he is downplaying his own impact on the game. Sorta a “don’t expect much from me” thing.
Jumping from “they were killed because they were right” into “killed kus they were wrong to sow confusion” feels off too. The next best explanation should simply be because they were well townread and not easy mid lynched.
The last bit is what really bugs me though, and why I’ll be keeping an eye out for follow up posts from ykl. Waaaayyyyy too passive and is basically asking to be given something to talk about.
I can understand being overwhelmed as Town and not knowing where to start, but this feels more like overwhelmed mafia not having a clue what to post.
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On March 23 2018 22:46 Conversion wrote:
I'm done with this. All of you can just waste your fucking day and policy lynch me.
Uhh what? This was a pretty civil discussion until you apparently wound yourself up over shit that happened days ago?
I hate to potentially add fuel to the fire here, but this comes off as fake to me. Like nobody is even talking about lynching you today and Rsoul is very clearly trying to have a civil discussion. Compared to your reaction when there was a giant wagon forming on you yesterday I’m just left scratching my head here.
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On March 24 2018 01:11 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 19:05 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:
Tbh it is rather odd Mafia did not shoot into either of Mocsta or Dis. Now why is that something you would want "to be honest" about? Mocsta was fairly close to being lynched on D1, so HF and I both felt comfortable saying he would not be killed. He was too tantalizing as a mislynch target. Meanwhile: On March 23 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:
Idk why but I feel like Mafia are quite likely to have a strongarm this game, and Dis prob should have died. Though it's not impossible they left him alive for WIFOM.
Kind of ridiculous. Why should they have wasted a Strongarm to kill an exposed Veteran? Here are the 9 potential Town roles: Veteran, Roleblocker, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Vigilante Every single one of them can help the Town catch scum, help the Town kill scum, or help the Town prevent kills by the scum....EXCEPT an exposed Veteran. If we assume disformation is a legitimate Town Veteran, then: barring a scenario where he becomes the "Town Jesus" that was described earlier, there is NO rush to eliminate him. He's been completely neutralized by virtue of claiming his actual role, instead of just saying he was blue. Cool, thanks for helping me understand why mafia would leave a claimed Veteran alive.
Touching back on this as I read it.
I’m not sure if it applies super well to Noobking due to his play style, but this type of mafia focused thinking raises red flags for me always.
It’s the type of thought process that shows noob is thinking from a mafia POV.
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On March 24 2018 02:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Deadline is tomorrow right?
I want to lynch rso
Why not me anymore?
And you have 0 opinion about NK?
Congrats FF, you are now on my shit list.
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On March 24 2018 02:52 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 02:48 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 24 2018 02:38 disformation wrote:On March 24 2018 02:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Deadline is tomorrow right?
I want to lynch rso yes. why? Seems mafia to me 10/10 answer. =D will leave work in a bit, but lemme take a look at her filter later.
Why on earth would this make you want to filter Rsoul?
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On March 24 2018 03:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
haHAA
Geezus Moosy, hitting post once is enough. Or wait till you have decent connection
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On March 24 2018 03:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
OH HEY MY NAME IS RAYN PEOPLE DONT VOTE THE WAY I LIKE IM JUST GOING TO GIVE UP AND FLAME OTHER PLAYERS HAHAA HAHAA
This is not helping...
*facepalm*
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On March 24 2018 03:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Alright I'm being an asshole at this point so I'm going to stop
About 10 posts prior to this actually.
And thus the cycle of shit postsbon TL mafia continues. Kus it’s ok to post shit in response to other people posting shit.
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Actually
@Moosy
What is your read on NK? You just pointed out that you were scum with him last game, so I’d expect you to have some insights.
Can’t recall you talking about him though.
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On March 24 2018 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No you dont. I said tomorrow.
This is the funniest thing I have read in this game all day. Almost sad, but still really funny.
I realize I am doing that thing where I am just posting my thoughts and reactions to whatever strikes my fancy and probably not doing anything actually productive.
I’m almost caught up though and will be home soon. So whatever that means.
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On March 24 2018 08:05 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 23:19 Mocsta wrote:
I dont like saying this
But conv rage quit feels controlled i.e. fake More fake or less fake than Slam's, in your opinion? More fake or less fake than rayn's, in your opinion?
Yay a non WoT to quote.
Similar question to you as I posed to Moosy.
You guys were scum together last game, what is your read of him this game.
And if you try to give me some shit kus I didn’t repaond to something you asked me you will have to ask it again. I only skim some of your posts.
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On March 24 2018 07:55 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 22:04 rsoultin wrote:
Not interested in the dick measuring who voted who and who was bad in a previous game argument @.@ it has absolutely no relevance to this game It has relevance to this game in that rayn displayed a willingness to continue an argument in which he knows he is in the wrong. My fake-out non-vote of him was a big topic of discussion in that game, I *know* he remembers it. I *know* that HE knows that I did not vote for him in that game, and that the only two players I voted for in that game were BOTH scum. Yet he continued to extend the argument about it, time and time again. For what? To make the game thread longer and harder to read? To make his filter longer and harder to read? To try and take my focus off of the game at hand? What other reason would he have for willfully extending an argument where he knows what I've said is fact?
You are actually doing exactly the same as rayn by continuing to hammer on this point, which Rsoul is completely correct that it has no relevance to this game.
So you are scumreading rayn because of this?
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On March 24 2018 08:03 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 22:17 ykl wrote:On March 23 2018 19:35 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track What would lead you to this assumption? Its not really a complicated thought process. Scum notices them getting suspected -> scum panics -> scum kills to get people off their trail. Its pretty much the simplest conclusion possible and probably the dumbest one but I'm a really stupid person so I'll go with this first And if your inclination is to "assume that both were targeted because their reads were on track" then wouldn't you have to expect the mafia to have thought of this, when selecting their targets? In chess terms, this would represent thinking just ONE move ahead, yet you've not even done that? Holyflare's top scum read had been mocsta, and Vivax's targets were Kelsier and Exo (whom multiple players had said were likely of the same alignment, regardless of which alignment that turned out to be). If the mafia wants people to think that HF and Vivax were targeted because their reads were on track, then it could be in an effort to achieve a mislynch on any of mocsta/Exo/Kelsier. Problem being that (if mocsta is truly a town Vigilante) they didn't foresee that he would cement his earlier Vigilante claim, and shoot Exo. Making an Exo mislynch impossible, a mocsta mislynch unlikely, and (if people still think Exo and Kelsier were likely the same alignment) a mislynch on Kelsier unlikely as well. If you want to operate under the assumption that HF and Vivax were killed because their reads were on track, are you suggesting that mocsta should be the lynch? Are you suggesting that Kelsier should be the lynch? Are you suggesting anyone should be the lynch?
I don’t understand the point of this post. It just seems like you are putting words in k’s mouth.
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On March 24 2018 08:15 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 01:03 Tictock wrote:On March 23 2018 18:36 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)
Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?
Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).
Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading. This feels astoundingly contrived. Why would someone post about the flips while admitting they aren't caught up enough on the thread to know anything about what they mean? Kus I knew what time it was, and it saved me from fruitlessly responding to several of HF’s posts. There wouldn't be any risk of fruitlessly responding to a dead HF, if you just didn't post until you'd read. And being saved from fruitlessly responding to a dead HF didn't save you from fruitlessly making posts about the flips while having no context. eg "Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?" If you just read before you posted, you would have seen that mocsta had said he was vig-killing Exo. So, why would a TOWN player feel any need to post reactions to the flips, if he hadn't read the rest of the thread yet, and had no context to work with? I see absolutely no reason for a town player to do this. However, it is comparatively easier for me to pick out the scum motivation for trying to sound like you've not read the thread when you actually have.
Lmao
You think I’m scum pretending that I haven’t read the game?
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On March 24 2018 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 09:28 Tictock wrote:On March 24 2018 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No you dont. I said tomorrow. This is the funniest thing I have read in this game all day. Almost sad, but still really funny. I realize I am doing that thing where I am just posting my thoughts and reactions to whatever strikes my fancy and probably not doing anything actually productive. I’m almost caught up though and will be home soon. So whatever that means. Can you tell me who you actually think is mafia? The problem i have with you is that usually when i play and you're town i ahve huge problems with you -- i mean in a way that you post some reads and i disagree with them all and then i think you are mafia and either i mislynch you or one of us dies. This game the only things i remember from you are things where you ask me something that can be easily explained in my filter straight out. It feels like you only read half of the posts and completely disregard others, like you pick a post that looks "bad" and not even call the dude (me) scum for it, just "question" them. That's why i think you look bad, almost the worst in the game in fact.
My vote should be on NK atm I’ve just been too busy to actually vote. Other than that I have been trying to work out where my reads are at.
Kinda finding myself having the problem of too many Town reads atm.
Also since I did not directly respond to your answer, I was well aware that you had voted Rels earlier and then swapped back to DF before returning to Rels. I was hoping to get better idea of why Rels was so scummy to you, but don’t think I really got that.
I also still find it an interesting inconsistency that you didn’t want to vote Conv because your scum reads were on him, but that never factored into your Rels vote.
Oh and I still think it is spooky that you called Moosy town so early and so adimently.
However, I have kinda liked your posts today (besides the semi-fuck off but) and both my gut and your overall town suggest you are Town.
There is a couple things nagging me about Koshi, but I won’t be able to dig up the posts till I get to a comp. the big one was he totally brushed off reading Conv saying he trusted my read on him. Even assuming conv’s Flip is going to prove my read correct it feels weird for Koshi to do that. Not sure how he seems to know I am Town this game.
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On March 24 2018 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 09:44 Tictock wrote:On March 24 2018 08:05 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 23:19 Mocsta wrote:
I dont like saying this
But conv rage quit feels controlled i.e. fake More fake or less fake than Slam's, in your opinion? More fake or less fake than rayn's, in your opinion? Yay a non WoT to quote. Similar question to you as I posed to Moosy. You guys were scum together last game, what is your read of him this game. And if you try to give me some shit kus I didn’t repaond to something you asked me you will have to ask it again. I only skim some of your posts. What do you think of the above post by noobking? Why do you quote a post you actually say nothing about?
Idk why but I felt like I needed to quote one of his posts to ask the question as seeing him posting made me want to ask.
The post itself is completely useless as it can’t possibly go anywhere.
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On March 24 2018 10:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wow i didn't know firefly had a voting thread. Is noobking voting for me because it seems like he is surely calling me mafia?
Pretty sure he has left his vote on me while he multi-tasks pushing the lurkers and showing everyone how great he is.
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