EPTI need you guys to help me on FF, right now I kinda just going with the tone read I and Rsoul agreed with.
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Tictock
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I need you guys to help me on FF, right now I kinda just going with the tone read I and Rsoul agreed with. | ||
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Right now you are pushing a world where I am scum with nothing to back it up. If there is a townie in Koshi/Rayn/Moosy they need to step it up now because that association is just too strong to me right now. | ||
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On March 27 2018 05:54 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't like the koshi bandwagon for some reason so I'll vote with coag You need to step it up too and stop this sheeping shit. Town only had a chance if we pull together. It is dire but still very possible for us to win. | ||
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Tictock
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On March 27 2018 05:50 disformation wrote: an other thing I kinda noticed is that it is fairly hard to find possible partners in koshi's filter. so it really would make sense for him to tap out without giving away possible mates. Do you see any issues with my team proposal? I’m not able to fully explain why I see the association here, but I want to know if I am off base. Rayn makes sense to me there since he kept posting to sheep Koshi and Vivax last phase. Never explained where that Koshi or really early Moosy read came from. | ||
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Tictock
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On March 26 2018 08:23 Mocsta wrote: like #3019 is exactly the type of post that makes me keep wavering on you. just vote Koshi and peace out for 48hrs. For the record Mocsta, this is why I keep tinfoiling you. You both say you are wavering on me and tell me I can stop playing for the rest of the phase if my vote is on Koshi. So both unsure and 100% sure I am town. | ||
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Tictock
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On March 26 2018 17:01 Koshi wrote: Hmm. I will be selfish and claim. In theory I shouldnt and try to do some saves / confirm mafia but I think the claim will be insanely disputed already. And if mafia is with 4 and has no kp left I need to save 2 shots for a ml. But cconfirming mafia is also not possible but w.e. I am actually town roleblocker. And yes. I know with a jailkeeper/vigi/tracker/roleblocker our setup is pretty stacked. But we are 9 townies down soo.... Anyway. If you believe disformation is mafia without my claim... it makes him really mafia with my claim. Sadly I assume mafia also has a roleblocker so I wont be worth shit anymore and am not a target to kill. But if we ever kill the rb and the potential back up role after that they kinda need to kill me. Which is far away but it's possible. So I blocked Conversion n1 and df n2. Didnt crumb anything. Chances are extremely high there is mafia between me an disformation. I am assuming Mocsta will believe we are both mafia reading his last posts. BUT would I buss disformation like that early game? I dont think I would. I am still on the page I said I was a couple days ago. But I liked Mocsta his posts. And I read some of rsoultin during night. Maybe mafia showed some face knowing they were close. And we can 2 in a row. First you need to believe I am town though. 😁 Yea I hate this claim Koshi. I mean you are actually claiming JK here. RB will almost never stop KP in a game like this, it is also a super weird role for town to have (though not out of the question). So you are promising more than your role can do. The bolded bit about conversion checks out, Koshi was scum reading Conv EoD and N1. However, D2 Koshi says this about covnersion: On March 23 2018 08:47 Koshi wrote: I have high hopes for you palmar. If you find time. Look into df, conversion and fefe. I am going to need help not lynching into those 3. First I need to see why they arent mafia before my brain opens up for others. And I understand all 3 are not mafia. Maybe only 1. Very maybe 2. Still a scum read... until... On March 23 2018 18:59 Koshi wrote: This I agree with. NK last post was incredible underwhelming. Conversion I dont know about atm. I might not lynch him based on TT his read on conv which I respect. Drops his scumread on Conversion randomly kus of me. I'm sure the DF read is the same, it will prob check out but I don't actually recall Koshi pushing DF very hard or for any good reasons. So pretty weird people to have RB'd if Koshi doesn't actually scumread them that hard. Also you know, the more I think about it a town!RB just makes no fucking sense in this setup. Like we have 2 flipped Blues, and now 3 claimed. No way does a town!RB even make sense because they are probably more likely to hinder town than scum. | ||
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Tictock
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Also you know, the more I think about it a town!RB just makes no fucking sense in this setup. Like we have 2 flipped Blues, and now 3 claimed. No way does a town!RB even make sense because they are probably more likely to hinder town than scum. I could almost see a town!RB make sense if town is stacked with blues though... as it is almost like a negative role for town. Ehh, too swingy probably? Yea fuck that I'd prefer not to get too into setup WIFOM here. Someone slap me and tell me my original conclusion is right here. | ||
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On March 27 2018 07:55 darthfoley wrote: I mean I was very very busy last week during the start of the game and had low motivation. It's not like I just said "hmm Koshi may be mafia but I'll never explain it." I've cases Koshi and Rayn specifically since D1. But you aren't gonna get rayn or Koshi lynched D1 in a 20 person game unless they make some terrible slip. With so many lurkers it's bound to be one of them. Has anyone had to motivation to try and find noobking crumbs? He had one night to track someone, and I feel like his reads were just as off as anyone's... I mean he started off voting Dis with Koshi for nothing and ended up on Rels. So no. I'm also holding onto the sliver of hope that noob wasn't enough of an ass to actually have info but not claim it along with his 30min to go EoD claim. | ||
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Tictock
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I need you to try at least a little, you owe it to the game because you did in fact sign up for it. Tell me who you consider to be town here today. I expect you to be able to at least give me 5 people and something like an explanation why. | ||
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On March 27 2018 13:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well anyways. i am doing the vayneauthority thing because no matter what i say will convince Mocsta or Tictock. Palmar is probably scum after all and i was initially wrong on him. I am only going to play for my own amusement which i have been doing since D1 after i got annoyed with Koshi. There is no way to convince Mocsta because whoever disgrees with his reads is scum or "fuck you". I don't even know what Tictock is saying right now, i have never sheeped Koshi, i have never sheeped Vivax, i have never even considered either of those things (except for disformation D1). Talking to him is like talking to a brick because apparently he's living in some la-la-land where things happened completely differently than they did in my game. Unfortunately those two are town. Other people are just useless or mafia. I think this was all D2. On March 23 2018 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: You're misrepresenting the situation. I originally joined the Rels wagon because disformation lynch and noobking lynch weren't anymore on the table, the person i mostly wanted to lynch aka disformation voted for darthfoley, and i trusted rsoultin. At that point noone was voting for Rels other than rsoultin and Mocsta who i both townread. Slightly after that i decided that instead of rsoultin being right i am more likely to be right and switched back to darthfoley. I only switched back to Rels later on because there was actually quite high chance of him being scum, and i didn't want to lynch Mocsta or Conversion. Idk, i think that should be pretty easy to tell from my filter, even if you jsut read my filter and not the thread at all... That being said i think i am not going to play D2. I feel personally offended by Koshi saying i didn't do anything EoD when i defended all people i thought are town and tried to get people on who i think are mafia, not to mention our reads even align on that front aside from Conversion (albeit i don't really know what is Koshi's read on him rn). So good job, you can solve the game with your town circle. Also df caught me: Well, seems like i must be mafia whatever i do. Good read, you should all follow that. Gonna vote something at some point maybe, don't give any fucks where other votes are. Just follow Koshi, he can play the game byhimself and lead the town to victory. Both those quoted bits, On March 23 2018 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay i am gonna go to work. You guys sheep Koshi he is town jesus and will solve the game with Vivax and Holyflare. On March 25 2018 11:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi where are you? All of this is you telling us to sheep Koshi or generally implying you heavily TR Koshi. Yet: On March 23 2018 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh i forgot. I will keep a list of this. Idk what other people read as big names but here's the list still: Holyflare Vivax - although i have absolutely no idea why Vivax was shot here since this game he was never going to convince anyone of anything, at least alive. Probably medic dodge. Mocsta - i for once agree with Koshi here 100% Koshi - townread Palmar - townread rsoultin - townread rels - i am pretty sure df can't claim i wasn't being aggressive with Rels since i voted for him, twice. We will see if i would actually need to be aggressive with big names. So far looking pretty good for df, don't you think? Koshi is just an unreasoned townread later on, but notice again here Ryan's read on Mocsta is based on Koshi. Which is actually literally a sheep of Koshi so  As for Moosy I've brought this up multiple times: On March 20 2018 15:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Moosy if youre around do you remember the name of the game where you cake and gb were mafia and bussed each other? On March 20 2018 17:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I 100% disagree, I think Moosy is town. On March 20 2018 17:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would remove FF and Moosy. Also possibly Koshi because regardless of if he is right or wrong on disformation i believe his read is genuine. Lol, Rayn you literally Townread Moosy and Koshi in this post from pg 2 of your filter, and have really not mentioned them at all besides the other post there. You made a list post in #875 that has Koshi as town, and is still has nothing to back it up. Moosy is listed as "i knew this guy couldn't play properly, and yes, retarded!strategy is a part of the former" Like everytime I've asked you about your Moosy read we've gotten variations of "Kus I've gotten good at reading Moosy" I told you guys, Koshi/Rayn/Moosy is solid as shit in my mind right now. There is so much association like this to back it up. I know unflipped association is kinda shit, but I do think is a large game associations tend to be more likely as there is more breathing room for scum to not feel pressured to bus and distance. Not that they wouldn't but given then nature of this game specifically scum have become PoE'd a lot faster than they were likely ready for. This is actually our biggest advantage right now, Scum have become big fish in a pond shrinking very fast. This is why I've been advocating getting town solidly together in a good circle so that scum just literally have no place to hide. It is also why we need every last town to make themselves readable or else we will always come down to a coinflip. | ||
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Tictock
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On March 27 2018 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not agree with Koshi being mafia. Can you explain why you like his claim? And how in your mind a town!RB is more likely with 3 other Blues than a town!Vet? | ||
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On March 27 2018 14:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: You literally cannot fucking say SARCASTIC POSTS ABOUT KOSHI ARE "rayn is sheeping Koshi". What a brick..... Sarcasm or no in some of the smaller posts... You clearly TR Koshi for very little reason all over your D1 and D2 filter, he keeps showing up as town in posts and in lists. I also literally found a townread of yours where you say "I am trusting Koshi here" You really want to argue this? | ||
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On March 27 2018 14:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also LITERALLY explained my read on Moosy IN THE NEXT FUCKING POST YOU QUOTED. I am never going to play another game with you because you cannot even read, except for the posts that you want to fit your narrative. Since I'm so dumb rayn you better point it out to me, but it had better be a better explanation than what I already noted. | ||
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On March 27 2018 14:10 Mocsta wrote: tictock, interesting inconsistenies on rayn; but do they actualy push a scum agenda, or more gut-feelings? like. i get having a town circle is nice, but it seems we cant even agree on who the lynch pool is, considering you dont seem to want a disfo or palmar lynch as per above. i dont want a rayn or moosy lynch as the first scum wagon to fall. + coag is a complete coinflip too. i wont bother asking you for feedback on my koshi notes, given we both scum raed him. They def push a scum agenda if they are all scum, yes. I know I feel like Coag and FF are both basically coinflips right now, hence my post to them a few pages ago. Why are you resistant to Rayn or Moosy? Like, why are you more willing to lynch potential blue!Koshi or blue!Dis? My honest to god gut scumteam right now is Koshi/Rayn/Moosy/Mocsta Simply because I feel like you keep taking left turns with your direction and reads that make no sense to me. I am also never lynching Disformation simply due to who has voted him today and how Koshi initially targeted him as he claimed. Dis feels like the scum's planned lynch today as a final fuck you to town getting us to lynch another blue. | ||
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On March 27 2018 14:20 Mocsta wrote: the pre-flip associations going on in my head are: Koshi + Rayn is a team, given how try-hard and biased Rayn is playing to derail this. The problem then is Disfo is town as the counter-wagon. I dont believe Disfo is town due to 3 blues. If there realy was a vet, I would be expecting a strongman.. so why hasnt this been shot? No way rsoultin blocked it twice, cos she cant RB the same person 2 nights in a row. NK dont line up with a strongman. hence, fake claim. hence scum... i just dont see a world where koshi + rayn + disfo is scum. im still certain palmar is scum too in any combinatino (same with koshi) tictock, are my heuristics flawed; or do you see what im seeing? Yea, why is 4 blues a problem? Vet is passive, Tracker is investigative, Vig is investigative but limited and swingy, JK is strong. In a 20 player game with Scum roles totally unknown... This seams legit. I do admit 5 blues is a little sus, and adding a RB to that list makes basically no sense. You also need to convince me that Palmar is scum as he is one of the most left field scum reads given how Rayn is playing right now. I don't think there is more than one scum in Palmar/Rayn. | ||
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Tictock
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But we are at the point where if our headspace is so off like me and you are on lynching Dis right now then I can't help but feel you are possibly scum. My town right now is very much so: DF, Dis, Palmar You are a claimed Blue. FF and Coag are coinflips. Which literally leaves me a pool of Rayn/Koshi/Moosy | ||
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On March 27 2018 14:35 Mocsta wrote: like tictock. i dont know what you want from me. im sorry to say this, but this feels like me taking to vivax all over again. Appeasing me is exactly the approach I expect scum to take here. I notice Moosy is the only one with the brass to actually try to call me scum at this point, even though it's super weak. I'm not here to tell you how to play Mocsta, I'm just telling you what I think. Also I need to get to bed, so peace. | ||
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Tictock
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I need all the Town players on Dis to move to Koshi. If we are lynching into blue he is the one with the weakest claim. @FF and Coag You guys can stay on Dis and be blamed for not only basically wasting slots this game but also aiding mafia in LyLo. Or You can follow me and lynch Koshi. This way all the blame can go to me in the event that he flips blue. It’s simple, I have clearly been spewed town at this point, so follow Me and let me take the blame or forever live with throwin this game. | ||
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I moved my vote to Moosy to open things up for mafia and the lack of anyone piling on him basically confirms him mafia imo. Mafia has to lynch a town!Dis here, not only because they need the mislynch, but they literally cannot waste the shots killing him and he will go to LyLo as basically confirmed Town. | ||
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Tictock
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So if you actually think Dis is mafia you should vote for me kus that is the only world where Dis being mafia makes sense. | ||
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