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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
March 07 2018 23:12 GMT
#621
On March 08 2018 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
I'm healing df.


What happened to your statement that df is n1 kill though
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 07 2018 23:14 GMT
#622
On March 08 2018 08:03 darthfoley wrote:
Meh I thought we got him considering he was lurking at deadline


Yeah...

I'm actually warming up to Vivax's AMG read more.

On March 08 2018 07:16 AMG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2018 06:56 Vivax wrote:
On March 08 2018 06:03 AMG wrote:
On March 08 2018 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Follow up by AMG looks better at glance given he sticks his head in many different places and generally gives off a vibe of wanting to do stuff which is a plus for him on D1. Doesn't allow me to exclude him as mafia though.

I don't see what would have required catching up in regards to his initial tubesock read however. It remains a read that is essentially based on Tube being prickly entirely, except that the actual vote happens only when Noobking votes.

His initial impression that Tube is prickly goes from being an observation to an explanation for why it is scummy to a vote for other reasons.

It looks like he reacts to his own posts to keep up a narrative in this case.
I see it like this could have happened:

Townie overreacts to other townie, AMG spots possible fault by TS, calls him prickly but doesn't go with it anywhere. So he needs to make a followup posts telling us that he thinks it's a mafia trait cause the previous post alone in the room would look bad.
Only when Noobking attacks Tubesock AMG decides to vote for him, and he does it by rehashing/agreeing with what Noobking said.

So AMG was kind of looking for reasons to get onto Tubesock purely for the reason he called him prickly already, and since his own reason didn't get enough pull, he only felt like he had the opportunity to do so when Noobking voted first.

This is summed up what's not right with AMG in my opinion.


You completely overlook the reason I take issue with tubesock which I've gone over two or three times now. His pricklyness catches my eye, as did him having a read that conflicted with mine, so I challenged his read. He refused to discuss anything with me at all, like he didn't give a shit about my alignment and had no drive to find out why I had a different opinion to him.


Except all of this happened not at once but you went from prickly->didn't fight your read->disengaged in your argumentation where you placed your vote at the final one after noobking did.

So I can see you as mafia just building on your previous posts reacting to what you wrote to create a tubesock scumread which was consistent with what you already wrote, especially cause of your decision on when to place the vote (when another one already did)

_____

I am actually open to the idea I'm wrong on either of you atm and after reading a bit of tube (since he talks about himself instead of finding mafia most of the time, but could be cause he's been in the defensive).

And cause I'm always hesitant to lynch possible assets D1 I'm checking if there might be other ones worth lynching over df.

Since you are so hung up on tube though I'd expect you to bring forward something more than what you already have and your read on him hasn't evolved much from that point onwards.


I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying.

And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players.


So I was about to say that there is no way this lines up with the 'doesn't feel like scum' reaction to Tube not trying to make reads to save himself. But I think I'd rather ask you to reconcile those two, AMG, if you can.

The thing for me is while I liked some of his posting independently, the scumreads are pretty boring.

"You didn't talk to me when I had a different read" @tube
"You said people when I only am scumreading one person" "you say you'd normally agree with the reasoning for the tube lynch" (and be wrong) "but you take issue with me jumping on it for a different reason" @prp

There's like nothing whatsoever to these scumreads. By contrast, his townreads are fairly well-reasoned.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 07 2018 23:15 GMT
#623
On March 08 2018 08:12 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2018 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
I'm healing df.


What happened to your statement that df is n1 kill though


multiple healer stacks = vig shot
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 07 2018 23:18 GMT
#624
Also, I'd prefer a night lynch to cowboy gunslingers.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
March 07 2018 23:20 GMT
#625
In this case it might be smart to decide who gets vigged tonight. Assuming that df is town, we can decide that he can heal someone undisclosed. While town can direct the other two medics to kill someone voting or something.

As for HFs claim, I'll assume it can be true but doesn't have to.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 07 2018 23:23 GMT
#626
On March 08 2018 08:20 Vivax wrote:
In this case it might be smart to decide who gets vigged tonight. Assuming that df is town, we can decide that he can heal someone undisclosed. While town can direct the other two medics to kill someone voting or something.

As for HFs claim, I'll assume it can be true but doesn't have to.


Lol, I'm not commenting on who I do or don't believe.

Just in my world if both claims are true, the chances of three townies dying in the night go up and that's hardly optimal. An organized night vig is better by far.

Though if we want to try for a df save with the stipulation that if you're not df (whether you think he's scum or not) you don't try to save anyone, that's fine by me.

"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 07 2018 23:25 GMT
#627
Anyway, it's way past time for bed.

I don't know how much time I'll have (or take) tomorrow, since I actually get a Lexy for an evening for once and have other things to do tomorrow, but I'll try to be on in the morning.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 07 2018 23:25 GMT
#628
On March 08 2018 08:12 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2018 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
I'm healing df.


What happened to your statement that df is n1 kill though


?????????

as town he gets killed n1 because he plays well and this game he doesn't strike me as dying n1
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 07 2018 23:46 GMT
#629
Honestly have no idea why people throw out df being town reads at all. It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me. Ok, you don't agree with my reads I've posted but why not? And when you don't agree with them, if you have the opposite read and you think he's town then why??
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 07 2018 23:47 GMT
#630
Rsoultin's reasons aren't good because df's progression on her doesn't actually look that natural to me. He says he town reads her about three times.
AMG
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia298 Posts
March 07 2018 23:56 GMT
#631
On March 08 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2018 08:03 darthfoley wrote:
Meh I thought we got him considering he was lurking at deadline


Yeah...

I'm actually warming up to Vivax's AMG read more.

Show nested quote +
On March 08 2018 07:16 AMG wrote:
On March 08 2018 06:56 Vivax wrote:
On March 08 2018 06:03 AMG wrote:
On March 08 2018 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Follow up by AMG looks better at glance given he sticks his head in many different places and generally gives off a vibe of wanting to do stuff which is a plus for him on D1. Doesn't allow me to exclude him as mafia though.

I don't see what would have required catching up in regards to his initial tubesock read however. It remains a read that is essentially based on Tube being prickly entirely, except that the actual vote happens only when Noobking votes.

His initial impression that Tube is prickly goes from being an observation to an explanation for why it is scummy to a vote for other reasons.

It looks like he reacts to his own posts to keep up a narrative in this case.
I see it like this could have happened:

Townie overreacts to other townie, AMG spots possible fault by TS, calls him prickly but doesn't go with it anywhere. So he needs to make a followup posts telling us that he thinks it's a mafia trait cause the previous post alone in the room would look bad.
Only when Noobking attacks Tubesock AMG decides to vote for him, and he does it by rehashing/agreeing with what Noobking said.

So AMG was kind of looking for reasons to get onto Tubesock purely for the reason he called him prickly already, and since his own reason didn't get enough pull, he only felt like he had the opportunity to do so when Noobking voted first.

This is summed up what's not right with AMG in my opinion.


You completely overlook the reason I take issue with tubesock which I've gone over two or three times now. His pricklyness catches my eye, as did him having a read that conflicted with mine, so I challenged his read. He refused to discuss anything with me at all, like he didn't give a shit about my alignment and had no drive to find out why I had a different opinion to him.


Except all of this happened not at once but you went from prickly->didn't fight your read->disengaged in your argumentation where you placed your vote at the final one after noobking did.

So I can see you as mafia just building on your previous posts reacting to what you wrote to create a tubesock scumread which was consistent with what you already wrote, especially cause of your decision on when to place the vote (when another one already did)

_____

I am actually open to the idea I'm wrong on either of you atm and after reading a bit of tube (since he talks about himself instead of finding mafia most of the time, but could be cause he's been in the defensive).

And cause I'm always hesitant to lynch possible assets D1 I'm checking if there might be other ones worth lynching over df.

Since you are so hung up on tube though I'd expect you to bring forward something more than what you already have and your read on him hasn't evolved much from that point onwards.


I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying.

And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players.


So I was about to say that there is no way this lines up with the 'doesn't feel like scum' reaction to Tube not trying to make reads to save himself. But I think I'd rather ask you to reconcile those two, AMG, if you can.

The thing for me is while I liked some of his posting independently, the scumreads are pretty boring.

"You didn't talk to me when I had a different read" @tube
"You said people when I only am scumreading one person" "you say you'd normally agree with the reasoning for the tube lynch" (and be wrong) "but you take issue with me jumping on it for a different reason" @prp

There's like nothing whatsoever to these scumreads. By contrast, his townreads are fairly well-reasoned.


I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do here?

I don't know how I can further illustrate my thought process more than what i've already put into the thread without just repeating myself.

I know what it feels like when I've latched onto a scum, tubesock didn't feel like that, he felt like incoherent town.

You're welcome to think my reads are boring, I disagree, I was once upon a time known for making reads that fly in the face of thread sentiment (see tubesock read) and I do not apologize for that.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 07 2018 23:57 GMT
#632
So who are we going to look for what's essentially our N2 lynch. I still think the correct play here is to treat it like a second lynch opportunity. Medics have to just listen to town directive.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 07 2018 23:58 GMT
#633
Also evidently this game is NOT as easy I thought it would be
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 08 2018 00:13 GMT
#634
It is easy and you plebs switched off df.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 08 2018 00:20 GMT
#635
On March 08 2018 09:13 Holyflare wrote:
It is easy and you plebs switched off df.

meh. Then what's your scum team?

Also I don't know if you were around or not but you never actually answered this question:

On March 08 2018 07:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2018 07:28 Holyflare wrote:
On March 08 2018 07:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:
holyflare, do you think darthfoley has more of a chance to flip red than tubesock?


I have no idea but I feel quite strongly about df. He hasn't pushed a single god damn thing and hasn't even been the centre of attention like tube to detract from it.

Has Tube done anything townie for you to vote darth over him or are both tube and darth scummy for you atm with darth just being more scummy

When the vote went down did you think Tube was bad town like AMG or did you still think he was scum?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 08 2018 00:29 GMT
#636
On March 08 2018 09:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2018 09:13 Holyflare wrote:
It is easy and you plebs switched off df.

meh. Then what's your scum team?

Also I don't know if you were around or not but you never actually answered this question:

Show nested quote +
On March 08 2018 07:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On March 08 2018 07:28 Holyflare wrote:
On March 08 2018 07:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:
holyflare, do you think darthfoley has more of a chance to flip red than tubesock?


I have no idea but I feel quite strongly about df. He hasn't pushed a single god damn thing and hasn't even been the centre of attention like tube to detract from it.

Has Tube done anything townie for you to vote darth over him or are both tube and darth scummy for you atm with darth just being more scummy

When the vote went down did you think Tube was bad town like AMG or did you still think he was scum?


He was scummy. In hindsight there were things that made him towny like sticking to reads that didn't follow sentiment and still rehashing the same points after being asked new questions but that's pretty much just because I know he's town now.

Darthfoley is just a bigger scum read and that's all I really cared about. The medic claim is just icing on the cake.

A team is hard and I don't particularly care about naming one but people that look far worse after tubesock lynch are amg/noob(big one)/prplhz.

When Tubesock posted like halfway through the cycle a bunch of walls of texts that I glossed over and pretty much said "this says nothing and it's not towny looking" but amg insta switched and it came off as really odd timing back then. If amg is mafia it could have potentially been an "oh the guy is posting responses to me I have to look like I'm re-evaluating."

Noob just dropped tubesock for absolutely 0 reason when tube was the biggest wagon(????) and then voted his not even other scum read. Doesn't make sense. Then his defence of df looks fucking weird when he says it was a reason to town read df.

Prplhz obviously for being hipster on tubesock.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 08 2018 00:30 GMT
#637
Not that they ARE mafia but that's who I'd look into.
AMG
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia298 Posts
March 08 2018 00:47 GMT
#638
On March 08 2018 09:29 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2018 09:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On March 08 2018 09:13 Holyflare wrote:
It is easy and you plebs switched off df.

meh. Then what's your scum team?

Also I don't know if you were around or not but you never actually answered this question:

On March 08 2018 07:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On March 08 2018 07:28 Holyflare wrote:
On March 08 2018 07:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:
holyflare, do you think darthfoley has more of a chance to flip red than tubesock?


I have no idea but I feel quite strongly about df. He hasn't pushed a single god damn thing and hasn't even been the centre of attention like tube to detract from it.

Has Tube done anything townie for you to vote darth over him or are both tube and darth scummy for you atm with darth just being more scummy

When the vote went down did you think Tube was bad town like AMG or did you still think he was scum?


A team is hard and I don't particularly care about naming one but people that look far worse after tubesock lynch are amg/noob(big one)/prplhz.

When Tubesock posted like halfway through the cycle a bunch of walls of texts that I glossed over and pretty much said "this says nothing and it's not towny looking" but amg insta switched and it came off as really odd timing back then. If amg is mafia it could have potentially been an "oh the guy is posting responses to me I have to look like I'm re-evaluating."


I feel like had Tubesock flipped mafia, I'd be getting painted as his teammate that was light bussing and the wagon took off. Ergo, no matter what he flipped i'm scum?

I find it depressing that no one seems to want to acknowledge the possibly that my read was just better than most of yours.


I'm going to walk away for a bit, clear my head, and come back to this.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 08 2018 00:51 GMT
#639
Yeah, not saying it wasn't but this is mafia and when it goes against the collective thought for reasons other people struggle to see then it deserves to be looked into. That's quite literally the game.
AMG
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia298 Posts
March 08 2018 01:02 GMT
#640
I like you. We'll talk later.
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