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Koshi

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February 03 2018 17:26 GMT

#18

/in

Koshi

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February 05 2018 13:14 GMT

#40

/confirm

Koshi

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February 05 2018 20:17 GMT

#50

gl hf friends. Maybe I will get lynched this game.

Koshi

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February 06 2018 14:41 GMT

#312

Town for now:
Mocsta
darthfoley
Tfrel
Conversion
rayn

Most are based on tone.
I cant be hold accountable for any of these reads and will change them if it fits my agenda.

Koshi

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February 06 2018 15:07 GMT

#313

I think I will also call rsoultin leaning town. And that I will vote mderg.

mderg, prplhz and the 2 afks might contain 2 mafia. Let's hope the third does better.

##vote mdreg

Koshi

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February 06 2018 15:54 GMT

#326

I am not going to engage in any conversation this game. I forgot to mention that. But I will answers questions whenever I see fit.

I think conversion is town because the tone he had in some posts. I forgot which ones but they read very genuine. I dont think he is looking at rsoultin as mafia trying to shovel dirt. Just playing the game.

Prplhz made a post about ritoky being town and I didnt like the reasoning. When I read ritoky his reads I might agree with them but I dont townread ritoky for them because they lacked content. Prplhz just calls him town for it. I dont like the not critical view. On top of that the reasoning to call out tfrel was weak and superficial. It had nothing to do with mafia mindset or anything. While tfrel made already so many well thought out post I did not like he nitpicks the post he did and ignored the rest. Also dont like the fact that he first townreads ritoky and then attacks tfrel about something he said about ritoky. Feels funny.

Anyway. Nothing is set in stone.

Koshi

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February 06 2018 20:33 GMT

#357

On February 06 2018 15:03 Trfel wrote:
Kinda going to bed. Mocsta and ritoky probably town, partially for sharing my reads. Partially for Mocsta for having a thoughtful approach to the game, willing to share his thoughts and reconsider. Partially for ritoky for making good comments but not seeming to care a ton, I feel like he'd be much more involved as mafia. Holyflare is a town lean despite the fact that he could fool me even if I saw he received a mafia role pm

Looks town. Mafia would look like: "ritoky seems town but he could be mafia because he doesn't seem to care a lot".

The guy is extremely friendly though. Annoys me. Doesn't make him mafia.

rsoultin looks like she entered the thread in playful manner. Flicks rayn and makes a "funny" post. Gets a million words from rayn over her. Is stunned a bit because wtf. And then some others jokers call her mafia for reasons I still do not understand.

Anyway. My names look pretty good. Mafia way more likely lies within the 4 names I gave and then HF/ritoky. The game HF is playing is so bad and infuriating I don't think he is mafia though. It's how I read him nowadays. How pissed off I get by his nonsense.

Koshi

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February 06 2018 21:59 GMT

#364

Yes. For some reason I am indeed doing that a lot.
I don't know where it comes from. Sorry.
Last time.

Koshi

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February 06 2018 22:53 GMT

#368

On February 07 2018 07:50 ritoky wrote:
Honest question Koshi, why do you scum read me every game?

Is it like a reaction test thing to get a read? Is it something I do? Is it for shits? Is it a respect thing?

You don't have to answer during the game I suppose, I just don't really play anymore so I would like to know. On my end it always comes off as like a disappointed dad thing where he's yelling at you for not being good enough every time even though you're trying your best.

Probably because you don't do things that I associate with townieness. But you make a bigger deal out of it than needed for sure.

Koshi

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February 06 2018 22:53 GMT

#369

Like boohoo I don't townread you this game. Who the fuck cares and go fuck off really. I don't have to.

Koshi

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February 06 2018 22:55 GMT

#371

Happy Birthday though.

Koshi

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February 06 2018 23:28 GMT

#396

On May 25 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
damn so many posts. HF might have made some sense. I stopped reading JAT his posts. Too boring. Really. Insane how boring.

I think ritoky is town so I'll entertain his TW read. I am pretty sure ritoky is town btw.

Superbia I'll read later, around D3. I am skipping his posts as well. There is such a big difference in his posting town vs mafia it isn't even funny. And he is posting stuff.

On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
So I am rolling with
Kush town (never lynch till at least everybody made a clearly town post)
ritoky town
superbia 100% town
ls townish
hf made some sense and did really retarded shit which he does more as town than mafia

Damdred extremely bad or mafia.

Palmar afk
marv afk
Rels afk

JAT superduper boring

others are meh. I don't know about Tumble. Ritoky might have made a point but on the other hand... I can see him be mafia though. But I wouldn't lynch him D1. Cuz he did make a post that made way more sense if he is town over mafia.

On May 25 2016 20:47 Koshi wrote:

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ritoky obvious town. pls.

On May 25 2016 20:49 Koshi wrote:
1. Holyflare obvious town
2. Damdred obvious trash
3. ritoky obvious town
4. Rels nullish town
5. LightningStrike pretty town
7. Palmar anti town trash
8. marvellosity afk
9. justanothertownie boring turtle
10. sicklucker obvious town
11. Superbia wounded animal
12. Tumblewood obvious town
13. nnn_thekushmountains nullish town

On May 25 2016 22:04 Koshi wrote:

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Cuz I can see a town write the words he wrote. If a townie writes a case on a townie it will be false, but it is still a townie who wrote it.

AND THE KICKER IS

YOU WERE MAFIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eventually I figured it out though:

On May 26 2016 08:26 Koshi wrote:
ritoky broke his gameplan to defend HF which he had no business to defend. Proof? The reason he used. Nothing in the thread indicated fear lynching. Both marv and Palmar had reasoning and some other guy as well. And JAT and myself lynched HF for the retarded piece of shit selfvote.

While his push on Rels wasn't horrible when I read it, and it kinda was a very long shot for an attempt to save a scumbuddy, the fact he ended up on HF is ridiculous. Why would he end up on HF and not just stick on his Rels read? There was no reason for him to eventually end up on HF. Nothing. Nada.

I will reread ritoky and his case on Rels and other cases but in this moment I am 100% sure he is mafia. And I am so sure I am sure I will not change my point of view bar some really really really damning evidence on somebody else.

HF was also mafia. And I was shot N1. Goddamn I was good in 2017

These were all your games for 18 months. Went back to May 2016 and your filter doesn't go more back.
So I really don't know why you are such a whiny bitch atm.
I didn't scumread you in 1.5 years.

Koshi

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February 06 2018 23:52 GMT

#418

On February 07 2018 08:43 ritoky wrote:

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Hm, maybe I am wrong and my memory is colored incorrectly by old experiences or that you default to calling me mafia a lot as mafia. I know that dota game you railed on me pretty hard for a good long time. I also know that paint game you nominated me almost every phase until I became confirmed town. But also considering 4 of the 8 games we didn't play together and you effectively discarding 2 of them; it is a pretty awful sample size.

Nonetheless I stand corrected, and will proceed to stop my whiny bitchyness.

Discarded what? The games I am mafia in? I highly highly doubt I called you mafia in those that it broke your spirit. I don't play as scum like that. If you like I can read them. But why would I because I know you are wrong. So I didn't discard shit.

And the fact I nominated you doesn't mean shit. You should have not have this "disappointing" dad feeling because you get nominated. And I know a reason why I nominated you is because you insulted the judges ingame for no fucking reason at all.

Anyway. w.e.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 00:00 GMT

#425

On February 07 2018 08:55 ritoky wrote:

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On February 07 2018 08:52 Koshi wrote:

On February 07 2018 08:43 ritoky wrote:

On May 25 2016 20:47 Koshi wrote:

On May 25 2016 20:44 Rels wrote:

On May 25 2016 20:37 Koshi wrote:

On May 25 2016 20:23 Rels wrote:

On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
So I am rolling with
Kush town (never lynch till at least everybody made a clearly town post)

Why ?

On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
ritoky town

Why ?

On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
Damdred extremely bad or mafia.

Why ?

1) he said that marv was probably the best lynch. probably being the key word.

2) effort and then more effort when that is obviously not required. + his posts are pretty good, he is just imho wrong on TW. But his posts are quite obviously written by a townie.

3) not answering this one because you clearly didn't bother to read his filter. fuck off.

I have 0 read on kush so I won't fight this.

I disagree with the ritoky's read, he has put himself in a position where he does not need to do anything apart from responding to people. When someone types a code he responds to it. He didn't do anything that wasn't required. I agree his posts are good, he has good points on Tumble, he has good points on Superbia but the conclusion is stupid given his points, his post on SL is kinda useless.

I just read the whole game, it's true he didn't do much recently but the first impression was super good. I understood every thoughts of him and I agreed with his lynch list at the time it was posted.

ritoky obvious town. pls.

On May 25 2016 22:04 Koshi wrote:

On May 25 2016 22:00 Tumblewood wrote:
Koshi why is rit town

Cuz I can see a town write the words he wrote. If a townie writes a case on a townie it will be false, but it is still a townie who wrote it.

AND THE KICKER IS

YOU WERE MAFIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eventually I figured it out though:

HF was also mafia. And I was shot N1. Goddamn I was good in 2017

These were all your games for 18 months. Went back to May 2016 and your filter doesn't go more back.
So I really don't know why you are such a whiny bitch atm.
I didn't scumread you in 1.5 years.

I think I insulted you guys because you kept listening to the reads of a guy who I felt was clearly mafia (and I think turned out to be). But I agree it is neither here nor there.

Honestly, thank you though. I never would have gone back and looked if I had an incorrect mental block/aversion to you; I would have just kept assuming it was right. I will try to get past it now/going forward and not associate it with you.

It's fine. I probably did it once long long ago. It is how I used to play.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 00:22 GMT

#431

Well you people know rsoultin and I read some meta reasons but I don't really see it. Without the meta.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 08:24 GMT

#477

On February 07 2018 14:59 Trfel wrote:
Yeah okay I'm going to vote Koshi. And I would appreciate hearing people's thoughts on Koshi.

Says that mderg, prplhz, and the two afk's may contain two mafia. Votes for mderg, explains his reason for scumreading prplhz, not mderg.

Townreads the biggest wagon (rsoultin), doesn't at all seem very invested in that townread or care enough about his "pretty good" scum pool to even say why he's suspicious of those people. Seems perfectly happy to let his townread get lynched over his scumreads.

But he cares enough to make a huge list of all of ritoky's games and look at his reads on ritoky in each one. To me this just doesn't add up.

The idea behind these points against me are fair.

My pool contains all names I think are mafia. I didnt explain mderg because nobody asked. I explained prplhz because rsoultin asked.

I am not perfectly happy seeing rsoultin lynched. Be more careful how you say things. Because you can see that I green coloured rsoultin and wrote 2 posts on her alignment already. I do not care who majority wants to lynch because I townread them.

Anyway. I think I should actually move my vote to prplhz. The shoveling dirt was real.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 08:28 GMT

#478

On February 07 2018 16:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Unfortunately this is how you get to be the best townie 2017.

Best mafia player 2017 overall. Also holder of the funniest moment trophy. Drama Queen. And was a member of the 2 best mafia performances last year. And had the strongest town performance.

Anyway. I shall vote prplhz. Could you please put mderg 2 spots lower on your list. Because I asked so nicely? Thank you sweetiepie.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 08:31 GMT

#479

On February 07 2018 17:30 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote prplhz

Koshi

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February 07 2018 09:34 GMT

#517

imo we always keep rsoultin alive here. It is a normal game so who cares? Kill people who do not play.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 09:54 GMT

#540

On February 07 2018 18:34 Mocsta wrote:

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On February 07 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote:
I'm torn on mocsta. On the one hand, he's sticking to his guns, which is quite different than his scum game. He's also poking and prodding at people around his case. But he's not really focused beyond what people say about his case or the non-existent rsoul. I don't think that's necessarily scummy, but I do think it's an easy way for scum to play because it only requires focus on two fronts. I'd even say slight townread for the bolded meta point.

What really gives me pause though is that I distinctly recall his primary negative comment about me in his scum QT being that I didn't have the "EQ" to handle a holyflare. If he noticed that I react so poorly (yes, sorry, rsoul is existing again for a second but it's the only way that I can explain my concern on mocsta) to people belittling me, he should have known how posts like this would tilt me:

On February 06 2018 06:42 Mocsta wrote:

On February 06 2018 06:39 rsoultin wrote:

On February 06 2018 06:38 Mocsta wrote:

On February 06 2018 06:36 rsoultin wrote:

On February 06 2018 06:25 Mocsta wrote:

On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:

On February 06 2018 06:07 Holyflare wrote:
What a pointless conversation about pointless conversations.

So tempted to call you a pointless conversation right now. Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor.

@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though.

hi tina

Would you call your rayn = scum 'light' comment

Humour or passive aggression?

Didn't see this. And I have no clue what you're asking, because to me it sounds like you assume that I could only be joking or being passive aggressive?

you know tina

Insteas of answering a question with a question

You can continue to deflect by answering the question lol

Or you could clarify as I asked. That's also a thing.

Why so mad?

Need some itch cream? I got what you need, bbygurl

For someone who noticed that I tilt even in a game I'm not scumread in at posts like this, it seems less like he was less interested in my alignment than he should have been.

Damdred is also a pretty easy mislynch if he's town. The reason for it is bad, too. Afk. Only caveat is mocsta may not know that Ian tends to poof constantly. Which fits him being town and tunneled on me therefore ignoring anything I say as possibly false. Meh.

Now I'm talking in circles.

It's really an interplay between pretty solid push in his filter and saying things he know will tilt me. Although, ironically, him doing that pretty solid push then switching over to Damdred for one post actually does align better with his scum play.

Leaning scum.

So im leaning scum?

The whole irony of this post is you say i should hav ebetter eq on you, suggesting perhaps you didnt realise i was considering an unvote.

however, later you comment on this, so you should know i have realised myself i may have tilted you.

with that contradiction, now i can only keep my vote.
damdred is scum with you

i dont have to re-read, thanks for saving me a couple horus.

I dont want to do this conversation thing but I wonder why you think mafia!rsoultin makes a post that almost always ends up in acting like you do. Which is angry vote her.
[Hr]
I think darthfoley is also not a good lynch. He made good posts which he can make as mafia but it is less likely. The one with mocsta and the sk comment from rsoultin for example.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 09:58 GMT

#544

Still think we lynch into prplhz/mderg today and hope rels and damdred play some.

ritoky/hf are way on the sidelines and also contain possible mafia. With posts like this maybe not together but still.

On February 07 2018 18:22 Holyflare wrote:
ALSO if ritoky found out that koshi calls him mafia as mafia a lot but not as town and only just discovered that then why isn't he now attributing being scum read as mafia koshi?

Untrue dirt shoveling detected.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 10:01 GMT

#546

On February 07 2018 18:55 ritoky wrote:
koshi, who's worse mderg or damdred?

Damdred could become a beautiful butterfly.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 10:21 GMT

#564

On February 07 2018 08:59 darthfoley wrote:

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On February 07 2018 08:54 Mocsta wrote:

On February 07 2018 08:49 darthfoley wrote:

On February 07 2018 08:36 Mocsta wrote:
Minor stream of consciousness incoming.

I am in the process of re-evaluating where my Day1 vote should go.

Maintaining on rsoultin pros:
1 - I expected her to brush off the case - but attempt to discern my motive further. Instead, IIRC she called me scum and then town for an absolutely stupid reaction test reason.
2 - The wagon hasnt picked up that much traction - which is a good Day1 heuristic to me. Mafia try to resist unfavourable wagons. At this point, Conversion is not a wagon.

Maintaining rsoultin cons:
1 - Ironically, that people are starting to see her as scum (for the same fucking reasons I posted). This makes me twitchy.
2 - I do need to give more credit that early game it is hard to work with people to illuminate reads. That component of my case should be reconsidered.

Some short thoughts on people with ritoky scale
Damdred: -5. I am considering him the best Day1 lynch option.
mderg: -2. subject to a meta dive. I never thought he was sitting in the background being a sheep last game. I dont have that vibe association with him this game.
df: +1 on ritoky scale (and continuing to drop as he continues his rigid thinking)
rsoultin: need to re-read game to confirm position.
conversion: I do see a general lack of care, but i dont see it mafia focused either - and nothing to do with rsoultin. I just dont think mafia would be so blatant about glossing over filters etc.. I am really inclined to default to SK.

other people I dont have a direct concern about at this point.

So you're now saying that "1 post" Damdred is the best lynch option after going after rsoultin hardcore all day phase? Now that reminds me of Mocsta vs. darthfoley last game

Again. why jump to worst-conclusions.
Im saying im considering it because I dont like people are joining me on rsoultin for my reasons - but treating it as their own.
The fact that multiple people are doing it, is the only thing that makes me comfortable (as in it indicates i communicated very poorly, vs. malicious intent).

Pray tell me though.
Do you see anything towny about damdred so far?
Flu or not.
Very delayed response that says extermely little. Even his first post last game was better.

I'm not jumping to worst conclusions. I just don't see why you decide Damdred is the best lynch, but Rels, for example, isn't. Or prplhz or Mderg.

Do you see anything town about Rels so far? Damdred was lynchbait last game and I haven't seen anything incriminating from him.

Regarding the bold. I'm not sure I understand... you're paranoid that other people are joining you on rsoultin but trying to claim credit for your reasoning. So...

1) When rsoultin flips mafia, you don't look as good?
2) When rsoultin flips town... they look worse?

I don't understand the motivation for mafia to join a wagon on town!rsoultin but try to steal the credit for the mislynch. Why make themselves look worse when they could just take the easy route and blame you?

This post is good rayn. Depends on how red our lynchbait people are. But the post is good.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 10:28 GMT

#575

On February 07 2018 19:24 rsoultin wrote:

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:/ You're not supposed to leave, ritoky.

Mafia emote. But it is not game related so it's ok.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 10:30 GMT

#580

On February 07 2018 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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On February 07 2018 19:21 Koshi wrote:

On February 07 2018 08:59 darthfoley wrote:

On February 07 2018 08:54 Mocsta wrote:

On February 07 2018 08:49 darthfoley wrote:

So you're now saying that "1 post" Damdred is the best lynch option after going after rsoultin hardcore all day phase? Now that reminds me of Mocsta vs. darthfoley last game

This post is good rayn. Depends on how red our lynchbait people are. But the post is good.

It really isn't. I don't know why you think it is.

Because if he is town. Everything in it is true. And the discussion he is having here is correct. He is right and mocsta wrong. But he isnt overplaying his advantage of veing right.

It's good.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 10:45 GMT

#582

imo the townies this game are destroying each other. Which is fine if you come to a point we all sing kumbaya together in the end.

My point on prplhz is good. Him having a problem with the bad tr from df on me without having a problem with me is also slightly more mafia.

Mderg is super sideline like others have been saying. Me first though. He has no original thoughts and have had the solo "I am tired I dont want to play" post mafia makes more often than town.

Damdred could be a butterfly who is now sleeping as a cocoon. But he could be mafia easily as well. Very easily.

Rels w.e. We cant know.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 10:46 GMT

#583

On February 07 2018 19:34 Mocsta wrote:
isnt overplaying it.. hes calling me scum you idiot.

O rly. Explain to me where.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 11:10 GMT

#594

Why did you say that though? It sounds a bit weird. Mayne cuz I am not a native speaker but still..

I believe your arguments are wrong

That sounds so icky.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 11:16 GMT

#600

On February 07 2018 20:12 Mocsta wrote:

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talking to me?

Who cares if my argument is wrong
Care if its intentional

No to df. That is the reason rayn scumreads df.

About tfrel:
I am bad at reading people like that. So I cant comment. You say his focus is deliberately focussed on some people while ignoring others? In this case ignoring rsoultin. Maybe.

What I see is that he is playing the game trying to solve it. I do not see mafia intention behind how he solves it. I do believe all his scumreads are wrong, but I dont think it makes him mafia.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 11:20 GMT

#604

df can you please explain why you said:
"I believe your arguments are wrong"

You know his arguments are wrong. Because it are arguments that make you mafia. There is no wiggle room.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 11:25 GMT

#609

On February 07 2018 20:20 darthfoley wrote:

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Yes. I know he also tunnels hardcore as Town. Not really familiar with his mafia play.

His mafia play is really good. If town is wrong he can make a giant post with fresh arguments that fit towns current believes and cements them even further. Making it very unlikely town recovers fast.

His town play is hit or miss early. And gets more likely to hit later on. But I have seen him be miss till like mid d3. After that he is hit or rip.
That being said. He can be hit d1 and then he is able to convince the thread he is right. Because he is so relentless. If thread sentiment doesnt believe him he is wrong most of the times. Thread sentiment is a good indicator.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 11:28 GMT

#610

On February 07 2018 20:22 Mocsta wrote:

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analytical ppl can be wrong. So bad scumreads dont make him mafia either.

Its more he set the standard as deep and inciteful. I had to read thr conversion/trfel posts like 3 to 4 times cos i just dont view the game that deep on a filter by filter level. Bht once i got it.. it all made sense so im like. What a town motherfucker. This is real content.

Then to see this guy casually vote someone on the sheep and withoit interrogsting them.. thata just not congruent with what i would expect..

In short. He came across as super original
And ended up as a copy paster.

Whilst hr can agree with a good case. I still expect him to do his own homework on it. Instead there ks none of this deep insight into why rsoultin is scum

Well... I think what you write here makes him town. And that what you attribute to him being possible mafia might be a flaw in his game. Unless you can point out the mafia agenda in him sheeping we can't lynch him.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 11:30 GMT

#612

On February 07 2018 20:25 darthfoley wrote:

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No. I know his interpretation of my alignment is wrong.

Pretty sure I was responding to the idea that I hadn't interacted with the thread or some bullshit accusation. That is a subjective accusation because it is open for interpretation. I believe I have interacted with the thread. It would be silly to claim I KNOW I have interacted with the thread. Depends on your standards

Coolio. I believe you.
I very easily townread you for some reason. And I havent been wrong yet. But I think you never been mafia. Anyway. Last 3 games I tr you fast and correct.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 11:32 GMT

#615

On February 07 2018 20:31 Mocsta wrote:
Never thought he was a good lymxh option

How does this development make you feel about prplhz?

What development? I dont follow.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 11:33 GMT

#616

On February 07 2018 20:32 Mocsta wrote:

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Lol

This is a funniest comment nomination

Me and darth were scum together last game... you knlw.. brutal bus everyome was talking about

Yes. I wasnt in the game.
I meant he wasnt mafia in a game I was alive in recently.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 11:38 GMT

#618

On February 07 2018 20:34 Mocsta wrote:

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you just aaid. My comments on trfel indicate town

Prplhz was playing against thread sentiment by shitting on trfel to make a black truffle.

Yoy said you liked this about prplhz.. and i believ it lined up with yoyr read.

So of leaning town.. does this influence prplhz read?

No. I never said that. I am scumreading/voting prplhz because he nitpicked something out of tfrel filter ignoring the broader picture.

prplhz has a nightmare filter and I dont care too much if he is mafia or town. I just want him out of the game and develop my reads further on people that actually play the game. Like rsoultin.

Mderg same story.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 12:29 GMT

#627

On February 07 2018 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Or mby you should wait until d2 and lynch unccd vigilante who shot mafia because someone talked about sk. That would make my day.

We won that game. And I agree that was great. Could do it again.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 12:51 GMT

#637

Ofc Rels should be up for lynch...

Koshi

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February 07 2018 13:08 GMT

#645

On February 07 2018 21:59 rsoultin wrote:

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In the absence of anyone scummy, sure. I don't make a habit of lynching an afk Rels on D1 because, as you said with Damdred, he can turn into a butterfly.

That is my point

Koshi

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February 07 2018 13:17 GMT

#648

Can still lynch mderg. No way a townie ends up with 10 mafia suspects in a 13 player game. That's not where you end up while solving things.

This is nitpicking. And that is all it is.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 13:19 GMT

#649

On February 07 2018 22:16 rsoultin wrote:
Pending on you, koshi. It skeeves me out a little that you're focused on lynchbait and right on my alignment where most everyone else is wrong. I know you've picked your scum game up recently.

But I can see where you're coming from on your prp lynch and it really comes down to whether or not 1) I agree that all the active people are more likely town or at least have a decent shot at it or 2) that it makes sense for you to think that.

Also, could you explain this? I think you said it was about df and why rayn scumreads him, but I'm not following at all:

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If you cant follow it you are not reading the thread. It is rayn is nr 1 reason to scumread df and he explained it.

And I already explained this very post to mocsta as well. And on top of that df answered me already.

I cant help blind people in a forum mafia game. This is just pathetic.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 13:23 GMT

#650

You have to not have read 7-10 posts to not understand the post...

Explain to me in extreme detail why prplhz is town or "ok" for you. I want to completely understand it.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 13:26 GMT

#652

I offcially revoke my leaning townread on rsoultin. I dont want to lynch her today. But fuck this thread control type of play that doesnt push the game forward at all. All stupid safe reads and nothing interesting in over 100 posts.

I am not entertained. You may die.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 13:28 GMT

#655

There are 10 more posts in the thread about that. It has nothing to do with skimming. You are just filling your filter and not solving the game. You cannot miss all the fucking posts about this.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 13:30 GMT

#657

On February 07 2018 22:27 rsoultin wrote:

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There's not much to completely understand. I didn't think there was anything particularly alignment indicative in what he'd posted, which is why I asked you (if I recall correctly) for your read on him.

You tr prplhz at some point. Or at least were ok with him. You keep asking me about prplhz and your own read is foggy as fuck. Reread prplhz if needed and explain how you felt about him this entire game. What are you telling me?? You have had no opinion at all on him this entire fucking game?

What are you doing?????

Koshi

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February 07 2018 13:33 GMT

#660

rsoultin is not solving this game. That is for sure. Blah. Last time you were way more obvious mafia.

I remember my banana apple post.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 13:33 GMT

#661

On February 07 2018 22:30 rsoultin wrote:

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-shrugs- It wasn't obvious to me. So sue me.

Yeah. I am. For negligence.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 13:37 GMT

#668

On February 07 2018 22:33 Mocsta wrote:

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Sigh.
I agree.

Really stuck on where to vote before i go to bed
I was willing to give rsoultin a chance but now she is just wasting it on filter commentary.
Mderg list post feels disconnected which he even comments on.

Im happy with a vote on rsoultin mderg or damdred

I think its good there 4 or 5 people with votes. Tug of war that is split this hard means at least one wagon is mafia in my opinion.

Im going to read mderg and tina past game now to finalise vote

Rsoultin mderg and prplhz are good places to plant a vote. We will probably lynch the townie out of the 3 on d1 but removing that person is fine anyway.

Damdred is maybe not mafia. Some shady people are too outspoken on him.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 13:41 GMT

#671

On February 07 2018 22:37 mderg wrote:

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Are you saying I have 10 mafia suspects?

Yes. That is what it says.

You are nitpicking filters and not trying to find the alignment behind the filters.

I dont know why you are nitpicking the filters. But I am sure that you are doing just that.

This game is about finding 3 mafia out of 12 players. You are looking for the 3 and not for the 9.

Why are you not looking for the 9?

Koshi

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February 07 2018 13:44 GMT

#673

On February 07 2018 22:42 mderg wrote:

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Are you fuckng serious?

This is serious fucking business.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 14:19 GMT

#682

On February 07 2018 23:12 rsoultin wrote:

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Sorry if you're town, Ian. I'm just done. Calling me scum and shooting me multiple exclamation point question mark shouty posts is one thing.

Claiming I'm just filling my filter when I'm trying to leave a post flip legacy is another. Well, it's there. I'm done. I don't know if I'm right or not but whatever.

You are not going to get lynched so just breath and try again.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 15:05 GMT

#688

Tfrel.
One of the easiest ways to solve this game is by PoE.
I thought everybody did that. Remove townies from your list and look into others more indepth.

If mderg is town he is the first who isnt doing that. Converstion okish and rayn okish iirc.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 15:07 GMT

#689

What mderg did looks way more "what can I say about this filter". Nothing more. Just that.

I completely miss the feeling he does it to solve the game. To come closer to the truth.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 15:41 GMT

#699

On February 08 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:
Man I'm tempted to sheep Koshi 100% and just lynch mderg or prplhz this game. Both filters are terrible.

Koshi, why mderg > prplhz? I may be missing it from your filter, but I'm assuming it's because of mderg's list post and tone.

I dont really care about which one atm.
prplhz is still doing nothing. Is it mafia hiding or a townie who doesnt care? I dont know.
Mderg just isnt making the right posts.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 16:06 GMT

#704

On February 08 2018 00:31 mderg wrote:

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rsoultin: Feels like a completely different person than last game. Much less nice and inclusiv, much more aggressive in questioning people.

Koshi: Seems like he is just trying to lynch by number of posts. Feels lazy unlike town hero koshi.

darthfoley: Scumread on Mocsta for what I consider dumb reasons, omgus on Trfel, rayn and Mocsta and some general "bitchiness"

Mderg, you understand this read on me feels extremely shallow? I made it very obvious why I am lynching into you guys. Very very obvious.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 17:45 GMT

#714

##Unvote
##Vote: mderg

Both wagons like fine as I think mafia lies within Rels/Damdred/mderg/prplhz and HF.

So congratz to the ones who get their lynch.
I would never lynch rsoultin today. Way too much value that gets lost if she is town. Wayyyy too much value. Only lynch rsoultin if you believe you will be able to read mderg better as this game progresses or have a townread on him.

I also still haven't read a decent case on why rsoultin is mafia. The best points I saw were meta related. All the rest is not that brilliant.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 17:50 GMT

#715

It's not that I am certain mderg is mafia. But in my opinion he is not solving the game as a townie would.
What did he achieve today, is he closer to figuring out this puzzle, has he ever gave you the feeling he is closing down on mafia? And if he didn't, is he at least trying to clear some townies so his PoE pool gets smaller?
Which waves did he make, did he piss someone off by poking and prodding?
Did he help town develop reads? Was a a value to town? Did somebody ever had a "aha that's a good point moment"

Like... I am not sure he is mafia. But he didn't try hard enough and when we aren't 100% sure on day 1. Lynch question marks. Don't lynch easy to read players who deliver shittons of content.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 18:21 GMT

#729

Well if both mderg and rsoultin are town we have to start looking at rayn and HF who has been avoiding each other I feel like. Not sure if that is completely correct but when I didn't do anything they did push this thread towards a place I didn't like. Which is darthfoley/rsoultin mafia.

I don't buy that.

I might be wrong though.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 18:22 GMT

#730

HF mafia who lets rayn do the driving D1. Seems plausible.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 18:23 GMT

#731

Tinfoil though. I like rayn atm. But I suck at reading him lately. Well... I just always read him town.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 18:24 GMT

#732

Well I still live in a world in which prplhz and mderg are mafia.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 18:29 GMT

#736

On February 08 2018 03:25 rsoultin wrote:

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This I could definitely see.

mderg is more likely mafia.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 18:34 GMT

#738

On February 08 2018 03:33 rsoultin wrote:

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I have no intention of lynching (or probably more accurately trying to lynch) holyflare today, so no worries. Last game proved to me in spades that him taking a back seat and being wrong do not necessarily make him scum. It just would be a convenient thing for a scum Holyflare to do if Joni's intent on lynching town. Thought filed away for later. I'm not really convinced that darth foley is town.

He is atm.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 18:57 GMT

#746

I am off playing soccer. I will be pretty mad if we dont lynch one out of prplhz or mderg. I am ok with rsoultin even though I think she is town. But it might give some closure to some townies.

If we lynch mderg/prplhz I will care tomorrow. Otherwise not so much. Not a threat but more a promise to myself. I wanted my filter to be less than 20 posts and I failed.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 18:58 GMT

#747

These posts from prplhz are so minimal it takes balls to play like that as mafia. Must be said.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 19:04 GMT

#748

Just lynch mderg. Easy.

Quick question for brownie points:
Who has received the most (easy) townreads from different players in this game.

I think I know and it is weird. Got to look into that.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:07 GMT

#945

Oh wait the guy I instantly voted for and gave up my rigid posting style for is mafia. Goddamn. What a surprise.

Koshi not playing godtier level confirmed.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:11 GMT

#949

On February 07 2018 17:28 Koshi wrote:

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The 2 people in this nested quote should feel bad.
And goddamn I gave up being the trainleader for a vote on prplhz. Got to lynch the persons responsible.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:13 GMT

#950

I didnt read anything leading up to this lynch btw. I am glad hf joined the wagon. I am not happy somebody left it.because I am sure I was the 5th.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:14 GMT

#952

I was actually the first the last the everything but w.e

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:14 GMT

#953

rsoultin left the wagon???? After I defended her and made her feel warm and fuzzy? The betrayel is noted.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:22 GMT

#961

On February 08 2018 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Either rsoultin or df.
Neither of prplhz or mderg is scum.

I have no time to write more.

O rly rayn. O rly

No trust in Will Smith

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:24 GMT

#963

On February 08 2018 04:40 rsoultin wrote:

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Meh fuck it. Not lynching you. I really don't think I want to lynch DF either, though.

Why dont you know what you want to do 30 mins before lynch in a game in which you have the largest filter?

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:26 GMT

#964

On February 08 2018 04:44 rsoultin wrote:
I don't have a better vote than prplhz, and I'm not convinced on that either.

But I don't want to lynch mderg and I want to discuss darth foley with ritoky so yolo \o/

rsoultin why was he not mafia?
I understand this is a shit question because he was mafia but I dont understand where this comes from. I never would have thought that you would leave the wagon. Why didnt you trust me? Town rsoultin would I think. We talked and bonded.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:28 GMT

#966

On February 08 2018 04:50 Holyflare wrote:

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I have all game boi :D

Who? rsoultin? Weird.

I must say that hf is indeed confirmed town or it is hf/rsoultin/mderg.

For the time he talks about rsoultin only to end up on mderg is literally impossible if rsoultin is town.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:31 GMT

#970

On February 08 2018 07:29 rsoultin wrote:

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Town rsoultin saw her counterwagon who was being lynched voting someone else at EOD. Town rsoultin couldn't fathom how that would come from scum. I do my own thing when I have strong reads (even wrong ones as it turns out), and always have.

k. Mderg played "poor" but if you are town he made you look so bad. wow... you are almost an autolynch.

That being said. I have not seen a mafia look so incredible fucking horrible while a teammate was getting lynched. The "too scummy to be scum" heuristic is here in full force.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:32 GMT

#972

On February 08 2018 07:30 disformation wrote:

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that whole wagon was weird. eod too. which is why i thought it was tvt.
like it picked up fairly fast like (i partly blame that nothing else was really going on) and then went to a point where it was kinda meh, but nobody wanted to do anything. then came mdergs bad list and ppl were starting to hop onto that. then there was a bit of waffling and/or ppl not caring between either. at some point ppl decided on which side they wanted to be. partly because no good/big third idea came. then BOTH dont vote to save themselves.

like really didnt expect a scum flip out of that one.

though i guess the logical conclusions are indeed:
a) both wagons scum
b) scum had 0 thread presence

i guess it is not impossible that someone bussed really hard for really no reason? but imo the whole building up of that wagon doesnt really feel like that?

I unserstand you dont want to hive me all credit because otherwise I wil get shot but pls give me all the credit.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:35 GMT

#973

On February 08 2018 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
Most of my good feelings are also on mderg.

Conversion is bugging me. I like everything he says but it all looks like mafia speak too.

Did some1 play my game for the brownies?

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:38 GMT

#976

On February 08 2018 05:18 Damdred wrote:

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this is literally misrepresentation. I voted rsoultin with a few se onds to go and the vote was 5-3 with no movement...

thats not close when rsoultim would need three votes.

It isnt a misrepresentation. You look fucking awful. Killing rsoultin over mderg. lol.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:39 GMT

#978

On February 08 2018 07:37 rsoultin wrote:

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lol >< You're telling me.

I mean, once I flip town (or cop checks me) people need to look into darth foley.

He showed his colors a bit when Holyflare decided to jump on the mderg wagon, and had the narrative out so fast it practically looked prepped. I don't know about the third but it pretty much has to be him.

No df is playing really good. As either alignment but more likely as town. Dont be silly pls.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:41 GMT

#979

On February 08 2018 07:39 disformation wrote:

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dont think so. meant to ask.
i wanted to, but I couldnt come up with a good answer.
since the "known good" players were widely townread.
if the answer is conversion (might be implied by the post you are quoting), did you see my stuff on him earlier?

No. I just read up to the lynch.
And the answer is conversion indeed.
So many townreads. Even mderg townread him.
Bad mafia always take over thread sentiment on teammates.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:48 GMT

#984

On February 08 2018 07:43 rsoultin wrote:

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Well maybe I'm just bad but it's what makes the most sense to me. Just promise you'll at least consider the idea seriously before dismissing it if I get shot/lynched.

You realise that being married to a dutchman does not obligate you to smoke a joint every hour right?

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:49 GMT

#986

On February 08 2018 07:48 Koshi wrote:

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You realise that being married to a dutchman does not obligate you to smoke a joint every hour right?

Ah. If a vigi shoots you..
Well ok. I will remember it but I will be long dead before I consider df.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:50 GMT

#987

On February 08 2018 07:49 darthfoley wrote:

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What narrative?

I still contend that deciding to lynch the person who "says fewer words" over the person you've been pushing all day to be scum when it's a close vote 20 minutes before deadline is bad play, even if it worked in this case

It isn't. Great play even.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:56 GMT

#993

On February 08 2018 05:48 disformation wrote:

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anecdote on that teammate interaction:
i was once scum together with mderg (in onegu is the best host mafia part 2) and when i look at my filter that game, i see a lot of lines like:
"Don't remember much of mderg, probably a bad sign. Need to look at this filter."
"Prolly should look at kush again... and I nearly forgot to look at mdergs filter."
"@mderg: has your view on grack and luna changed with the recent events? or still pro grack lynch and contra luna lynch?"

soo... this might be super biased and slightly unfair, cause you are obviously not me... but my gut is calling you scum for that xD

Yeah. I agree that Conversion looked helpless around EoD. Looked like he wanted something to happen but because nothing happened stayed on rsoultin. And I do feel like he was against the mderg lynch without saying it. Or maybe he said it. Forgot.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 22:57 GMT

#995

On February 08 2018 07:53 darthfoley wrote:

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Idk I just vote for who I think is scum.

D1 town is bad. Vote to try to make future days better.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:01 GMT

#998

On February 08 2018 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am sorry df youre not mafia.
rsoultin however is.

I think she isn't. The play was so bad if they were both mafia that I think it is more likely she was bad as town.

mafia!rsoultin left mafia!mdergs wagon for a play that extremely unlikely would work. And if she pulled it off and she/mderg die in the future they both look like shit. If she stayed on the mderg wagon she is not going to get lynched till D3. And with minimal effort D4.

The best play as mafia is ALWAYS to bus mderg.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:02 GMT

#999

On February 08 2018 07:58 disformation wrote:

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huh. i might be conf. biasing and shit, but i even feel mderg's list entry on conversion is sligjhtly different than the others. with some others he is like "nah dunno" and here he spends the most text on a "pass for today". says he is super diconnected with the game and conversion is super not memorable, but the reads strongly resonate?
conversion blasted mderg super hard for the list. but due to some light meta digging ends up back on rsoultin after all.

Why is it for conversion different than others?

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:02 GMT

#1000

On February 08 2018 05:54 prplhz wrote:

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Eh I don't think mafia!rsoultin would do that except to throw people off or something. If anything, she plays to win, always.

I like you. I like you a lot.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:03 GMT

#1001

On February 08 2018 06:05 Conversion wrote:

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On February 08 2018 06:02 disformation wrote:

On February 08 2018 05:52 Conversion wrote:
@HF Cheeky.

On February 08 2018 05:43 disformation wrote:

On February 07 2018 21:29 Conversion wrote:
I am awake and a lot has happened. I have glanced at new content, but will not post opinions and thoughts in case I miss something or make a mistake again until I am in front of a computer. It looks as if some people are moving away from a rsoultin lynch, could I get a quick summary of that? Besides Koshi, who is hard townreading rsoultin right now.

Also would like suggestions on who I should filter dive so I am not aimlessly diving people and wasting my time, if my thoughts would be valuable here.

@Mderg I need more from you. Your posts lack content, if you’re town. Where’s your head at for the rest of D1?

flagged for possible teammate interaction.
aware you are both in thread and mderg isnt doing too hot?

your waffles on mderg dont look too bad imo.
i have more of an issue that you basically had no reads?
like first 2 pages of your filter you only directly have a read on rsoultin
then you add mderg and prpl to your scumpile.
heavily implied strong tr on koshi though

Firstly, welcome! I think you are the one person back in whatever game I played that pointed out my peacing out to play Path of Exile. I forget which game.

I do not see the relevance in having reads spilled out into the thread and being town. I do have other reads, I just did not feel them important enough to share with the thread and attempt to look like I am padding my filter. My thought process is, in my opinion, very transparent aside from that.. Mderg and prpl reads were blatantly sheeped from Koshi. Should be in my filter somewhere.

hm how aware are you of trying to look like not padding your filter?^^
maybe is should learn that skill.
thinking of it.
i thought your waffles on mderg, or rather you not voting mderg, looks okay cause you actually went and looked at his posts from the nsm. though there is ofc the possibility that mderg would have let you know about that, if you are/were partners.

Past games I would have a near 10 page filter by the end of D1. I figured that wasn't good play from me, so I'm trying to refine it. Hence, I am very aware and trying to bleed town as much as possible from my posts, without spamming the thread as much to get it.

My question to you would be: If I am scum (essentially making scum team mderg/Conversion/+1), who would be the last one?

The last one is rayn or Damdred. easy.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:04 GMT

#1003

The lynch pool for tomorrow is always rayn/damdred/conversion.

The vigi should shoot into rayn/damdred

The cop shoot investigate into rayn/damdred/rsoultin/conversion (btw if you are cop there is a miller, don't claim d2 or I murder you)

The doc should save me. But he wont. Cuz that is how life goes.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:06 GMT

#1004

Oh yeah. Rels.

I think disformation is going to proof himself town tomorrow. I am pretty sure of it already.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:10 GMT

#1008

On February 08 2018 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Either rsoultin or df.
Neither of prplhz or mderg is scum.

I have no time to write more.

@rayn
Explain your prplhz read to me pls.

PS: that post gave me cancer.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:11 GMT

#1009

On February 08 2018 08:08 disformation wrote:

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On February 08 2018 08:02 Koshi wrote:

On February 08 2018 07:58 disformation wrote:

On February 08 2018 07:56 Koshi wrote:

On February 08 2018 05:48 disformation wrote:

On February 08 2018 05:43 disformation wrote:

On February 08 2018 07:41 Koshi wrote:

On February 08 2018 07:39 disformation wrote:

On February 08 2018 07:35 Koshi wrote:

On February 08 2018 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
Most of my good feelings are also on mderg.

Conversion is bugging me. I like everything he says but it all looks like mafia speak too.

Did some1 play my game for the brownies?

No. I just read up to the lynch.
And the answer is conversion indeed.
So many townreads. Even mderg townread him.
Bad mafia always take over thread sentiment on teammates.

Why is it for conversion different than others?

lets see if i can explain.
with the others he does kinda like this brief summary or is like "cant remember" what they did.
with conversion he is like "i cant remember shit, but have to write stuff so i can give him a pass". imo there is just this disconnect between "not very memorable" and "resonate very well".
bonus point: his trfel thing is also fairly focused on conversion. so he seems to be aware about stuff around conversion.
does that make sense to you?

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Yes I understand your point. But I don't understand why you say it makes Conversion look better. The special attention is weird. And then Conversion his posts around EoD... I will get some quotes.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:12 GMT

#1010

On February 08 2018 08:08 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn is probably a good shout but I wanna hear some new views or reads instead of just df and rsoul. Don't think in his world a mafia rsoul busses a mafia df off her mafia mderg partner.

Now he has to adapt.

Well. He did already say df is not mafia... But he is smart enough to see that as either alignment.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:13 GMT

#1011

I have only 5 pages of filter. So good. Normally I have 10 now and there is much garbage in it. Way better now.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:21 GMT

#1017

On February 08 2018 02:58 Conversion wrote:
I don't see a stark difference between mderg between this game and last game, to be honest. Besides his list posts, but even then it's just put more formatting/words in versus not.

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is this list post from Newbie.

Well. The differences were there imo. But I didn't dare to say before it because I couldn't word it properly. Anyway. Soft defense.

On February 08 2018 03:00 Conversion wrote:

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Expanding upon this post, it is entirely possible that mderg and rsoultin is a TvT lynch. Which sucks. If I were to follow Koshi's logic, I should most likely lynch mderg over rsoultin because I think I have the ability to read her more than him. However, I'm not sold on that because I'm not great at reading people.

Hmm. I have a meeting until an hour before deadline. Will be back by then.

Mderg + rsoultin is TvT? I don't believe that he can have that read as town tbh. He claimed so many times that both are mafia.. And now it is TvT. Smells again like soft defense and bringing doubt to the thread enabling shennanies.

On February 08 2018 04:28 Conversion wrote:
I am back. Meeting ran over, typical.

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I would lynch prplhz. Mainly because he is the only other one that I shamelessly sheeped Koshi on, do not like his filter, and he also promised to be better this game which he is not doing.

prplhz looks more and more town. Also, he can move his vote to prplhz. It wouldn't change anything cuz mderg was getting lynched. But he keeps it on rsoultin because rsoultin is probably town and mderg is not.

On February 08 2018 04:34 Conversion wrote:

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On February 08 2018 04:30 rsoultin wrote:

On February 08 2018 04:28 Conversion wrote:
I am back. Meeting ran over, typical.

On February 08 2018 03:07 rsoultin wrote:

On February 08 2018 03:00 Conversion wrote:

On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone

Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum

is this list post from Newbie.

Then who would you want to lynch? And my issue with mderg here vs Newbie is there was more sparkle in Newbie. There's only one or two things I'd call sparkle here. And yes I know that I'll have to expand on that let me see if I can.

Also I think I'd prefer Darth foley if not mderg but I really want ritoky to come back for that cause he's a really good player as town and I want to hear his reasons before I decided to ignore them, if I do.

I would lynch prplhz. Mainly because he is the only other one that I shamelessly sheeped Koshi on, do not like his filter, and he also promised to be better this game which he is not doing.

I don't oppose a prp lynch? I just think it's a coinflip.

Hmm. My diffident nature is showing as deadline is creeping upon me..

On one hand I really dislike mderg's filter, but I am not seeing too much of a difference between here and Newbie. I have not played Newbie, though, so maybe I would have seen it differently had I been in it.

On the other hand, I really disliked the majority of your Day1, and I am not sure if the recovery was enough to sway my decision...

Ugh.

waffle waffle I talk to my scumread and want to make a new wagon with her.
and AGAIN a soft defense on mderg stating his meta is similar. Or that list post.
+ Show Spoiler +

Scum QT:
mderg: guis I am going to do a list post that looks like last game. People like lists and shit
Conversion: Excellent idea bro. I got your back.

On February 08 2018 04:54 Conversion wrote:
I am being pulled into another meeting. I will remain confident per rsoultin's call out on my play and stick with my vote.

I have a good list of town reads that I will need to most likely re-evaluate during night. I hope we get more activity from the inactive players to help push town to victory.

0 conviction the lynch should be x or y.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:22 GMT

#1018

On February 08 2018 08:15 disformation wrote:

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On February 08 2018 08:11 Koshi wrote:

On February 08 2018 08:08 disformation wrote:

On February 08 2018 08:02 Koshi wrote:

On February 08 2018 07:58 disformation wrote:

On February 08 2018 07:56 Koshi wrote:

On February 08 2018 05:48 disformation wrote:

On February 08 2018 05:43 disformation wrote:

On February 08 2018 07:41 Koshi wrote:

On February 08 2018 07:39 disformation wrote:

On February 08 2018 07:35 Koshi wrote:

On February 08 2018 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
Most of my good feelings are also on mderg.

Conversion is bugging me. I like everything he says but it all looks like mafia speak too.

Did some1 play my game for the brownies?

No. I just read up to the lynch.
And the answer is conversion indeed.
So many townreads. Even mderg townread him.
Bad mafia always take over thread sentiment on teammates.

Why is it for conversion different than others?

On February 07 2018 22:14 mderg wrote:
A good old summary post you all know and love.

Damdred: Nothing
ritoky: doesn't give a fuck, tone says town. Read on me kind of makes sense except I haven't been active or present enough to do anything. I've been really disconnected from the game, though
Mocsta: Feels different from last game, almost his whole game revolved around roultin at the start. Started being a bit more jumpy now. Not sure how that makes me feel.
darthfoley: Not liking his early scumread on Mocsta, for what I consider dumb reasons. Some omgus on Trfel, Rayn and Mocsta. Sounds very annoyed at some points. Could maybe see scum.
Rels: Nothing
Conversion: Didn't like him questioning me about this "bullshit" thing with rsoultin at first. his reasoning actually makes sense for a townie, though. his posts mostly don't seem very memorable but his points on rsoultin resonate really well with me. Gets a pass for now.
rsoultin: Her posts give of a much different feel from the last game. She's not this nice lady trying to get everyone involved and figure out their motives. She's much more aggressive in her questioning of people. Would lynch.
raynpelikoneet: don't know, honestly. His reads seem fine for the most part.
Koshi: Doesn't feel like the great multiple awards winning town hero Koshi. Seems like he wants to lynch 99% based on post count. Not to my liking.
Holyflare:
Trfel: Heavy focus on Conversion early on but then switched off him, not quite sure why. Like his pressure on koshi.
prplhz: No idea how to read him at this point:

Yes I understand your point. But I don't understand why you say it makes Conversion look better. The special attention is weird. And then Conversion his posts around EoD... I will get some quotes.

wait did i say better?
more likely to be scum.

ah ok. Then we are seeing the same thing.
I am tired so it is probably me.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:23 GMT

#1019

On February 08 2018 08:14 Mocsta wrote:

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thats interesting actually.
framer probably makes it unlikely that there is a godfather. but to compensate, a miller could make a lot of sense.
If so, well played Koshi. Last time I was self-aware miller, I claimed in first post. But you played it well. I have no doubt if you came up red that you are town.

im hesitant for vig to fire tonight on possibility of SK.
Could potentially lose 3 townies in 1 night.. I think risk is too high.
Its highly likely mafia still have an RB.. which is more valuable than framer because of SK and is probably rsoultin lololololol.. explains the immediate early day1 draw to SK insertion.

game is too small for an sk. I think. Mostly it is 14 people then. Or more. But you never know ofc.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:25 GMT

#1021

If Conversion is mafia. rsoultin and darthfoley make really good observations here that I don't think they would make if the mafia team is mderg/conversation/one-of-them.

I would really like to lynch Conversation and then move onto rayn/damdred.

On February 08 2018 04:30 Conversion wrote:

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If you are saying this point I brought up is bringing your opinion of me down, I am just saying I feel as if this could be a possibility. Who knows, though.

On February 08 2018 04:41 Conversion wrote:

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On February 08 2018 04:36 rsoultin wrote:

On February 08 2018 04:34 Conversion wrote:

On February 08 2018 04:30 rsoultin wrote:

On February 08 2018 04:28 Conversion wrote:
I am back. Meeting ran over, typical.

On February 08 2018 03:07 rsoultin wrote:

On February 08 2018 03:00 Conversion wrote:

is this list post from Newbie.

I would lynch prplhz. Mainly because he is the only other one that I shamelessly sheeped Koshi on, do not like his filter, and he also promised to be better this game which he is not doing.

I don't oppose a prp lynch? I just think it's a coinflip.

-squints at- That just sounds like you should be voting me. I don't see what the waffle is about.

You can look into my meta (past all the unfun, toxic, ragey bullshit) and you will see that by nature I am waffley. But you are right, I will remain steadfast in voting you and just have more confidence in my conclusion.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:26 GMT

#1024

On February 08 2018 08:24 Conversion wrote:

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I am town, Koshi. Get off your tunnel. You ate shit last game, you will eat shit again.

We will see.

My lynchpool really is Conversion/Damdred/rayn.

I am just talking about you because disformation brought you up.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:27 GMT

#1025

On February 08 2018 08:26 darthfoley wrote:

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The setup is almost surely framer/RB/goon vs. cop/vigi, medic or something. SK in a normal 13 man mini is highly unlikely and idk why people keep bringing it up. I've already said rsoultin is likely RB

She isn't likely that at all.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:32 GMT

#1029

On February 08 2018 08:29 disformation wrote:
any specific reason on rayn? think i need to read his filter tomorrow.
for damdy i guess it is his vote / waiting out eod?

rayn simply doesn't have anything going for him that makes him look town. his effort the first 24 hours were decent but like I said he can do it to steer town to the wrong direction.

And that quote I posted. In which he says both mderg and prplhz are not mafia.
I am EXTREMELY annoyed that prplhz is named there. It feels so bad. So out of place.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:35 GMT

#1033

On February 08 2018 08:32 Mocsta wrote:

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I wrote poorly, apologies, as im jumping to a prediction/conclusion.

I view mderg as struggling to speak anything meaningful.
He has this stupid vague list post, yet, can agree about rsoultin.. how specific and peculiar?

my jumping conclusion (i.e assumption) is because he knows rsoultin is scum, so believes it.

apologies.

mafia doesn't want to die. They constantly are aware who they need to look bad to lynch.
Maybe at this point he understood he had to vote rsoultin somewhere soon to get the lynch off him.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:37 GMT

#1034

And rereading Conversion his filter it isn't that awesome. Thread sentiment just called him town for no reason I think. Tfrel put some pressure on him and he didn't look bad under it. That is true.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:39 GMT

#1036

My reads evolved and I think rsoultin and prplhz are town. rsoultin just doesn't do this as mafia I think. If she did, it was suicidal and she will die. Somewhere along the line she will die. She is smart enough to not do this and just buy the sweet sweet cred of lynching the mafia RB. Kill the people who scumread her. And try to win by effort.

This rsoultin read is an hero read. I am not sure of it. But I believe it.

prplhz is playing brilliant as mafia. 0 effort. Maximum profit.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:42 GMT

#1044

Damdred/rayn/Conversion.
They have nothing going for them.
Lynch into them tomorrow.

I would be surprised if there isn't a mafia on the mderg lynch though. Let's say it's ritoky (amagad I always pick ritoky). The sweet kred this guy got. Tell me why rsoultin wouldn't do that? So sweet. So yummy.

And then town!HF wouldn't change his vote because he couldn't be the hero. And town would look at HF. Shit like that.

rsoultin town. Believe it for 2 days.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:50 GMT

#1047

On February 08 2018 08:46 Damdred wrote:
Koshi you usually can read me pretty well, is it juat our disagrement about tinas alignment at this point?

@conversion baby boy come back and play. Do as your papa damdred says or you get the wood later.

I haven't read you tbh. I know you exist. I know you have said things. But your vote was bad. Maybe when I read you tomorrow you will be obvious town. I don't know. You are the person I didn't read yet. Maybe the only one xcept the people on mderg because I have found them townie enough this entire game.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:52 GMT

#1048

On February 08 2018 04:25 Damdred wrote:
I could probably lynch Mocsta/prp/ maybe mderg

The more I communicate with you tina the mbre i think you might be town. Mderg is a maybe he has some thinfs that look the same from last game but his scum reads are sort of meh so far.

Its difficult and im atill forming opinions atm

On February 08 2018 04:52 Damdred wrote:
Heres the problem hf/df i do not thinl at this time tina is getting lynched unless hf switches and i hammer.

But we do need to consolidate at this time. For thw record tinas postings havent been bad since i got back

What were you doing on Tina? Come on Damdred......

Mderg you attack and never get a satisfied answer from.
rsoultin you attack and townread after talking to her.

Who do you vote?
rsoultin

Come the fuck on bro.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:56 GMT

#1051

On February 08 2018 06:37 Damdred wrote:

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If rs is town it makes rhe game mind boggling why mafia wouldnt save mderg unless the othwr two mafia were on rs. but i dont quite see it

4 names were on rsoultin. I can pick 2 mafia in there EASILY.
Bad analysis.

On February 08 2018 06:41 Damdred wrote:

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Thats possible, but diaformation seems town here...

Tina and you should weigh on this. What do you think of tina saying all that about her teuating ritoky and wanting to have a talk about you but ends up on you trying to cause a shenanigan wagon?

strange but i wamt her to answer (i bet i know what she says though)

df is a town bro. He has a head. You not.

See that is the problem. DF sees what is possible after the lynch.
You throw your hands in the air and yell AMAGAD THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE NOBODY CAN BE MAFIA

No it isn't. 8 people didn't vote mderg lol. And mafia tends to bus. lol.

Koshi

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February 07 2018 23:58 GMT

#1053

On February 08 2018 08:55 Mocsta wrote:

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I know. I said I would wait to read the vote buildup before posting, but when reviewing vote order, i realised your list of 3 candidates for tomorrow intersects with rsoultin.

The oddity sticking out to me is that if mafia all-ined on town!rsoultin (i..e if mderg swung a vote) he may have lived another day... I would have thought its worth it even for a town!rsoultin flip.

I mean what reward is there for not all-in'ing.. its the same outcome. wagon looks bad. So now lost a mafia for nothing.

I am not aware if mderg town read rsoultin formally to prevent his vote going there; but it seems unlikely based on the conversion discussiosn prior.

I suppose this supports the idea of mafia having 1 vote elsewhere. mderg may be likely. and im will check ritoky specifically whether he posted content post mderg-vote. Its possible it was an easy peace-out never expected to gain traction if he subsequently AFK'd.

just a tidbit i had to voice out.

Tis true. I am glad my 3 suspects are not all named Conversion.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 00:01 GMT

#1055

darthfoley betrayed me as well.
It has been well over a year a townread him correctly and fast when we are both town. But the love is not mutual. He calls me mafia sometimes and doesn't sheep me.
No love.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 00:04 GMT

#1056

On February 07 2018 08:18 Holyflare wrote:
Rsoul is mafia compendium part 1:

Conversion is mafia (??????????????????????????):

+ Show Spoiler [literally just ctrl+f conversion] +

On February 07 2018 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
##unvote
##vote Conversion

On February 06 2018 05:28 rsoultin wrote:

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Lol, dude, you actually had me checking to see if there were a possible serial killer in this game @.@

On February 06 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:
You know, it's funny, but unless I'm skimming too fast, there's really nothing in the thread that specifically precludes a potential serial killer...

-eyes Conversion-

On February 06 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote:

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On February 06 2018 10:10 Conversion wrote:

On February 06 2018 07:22 rsoultin wrote:

On February 06 2018 07:13 mderg wrote:

On February 06 2018 06:50 rsoultin wrote:

On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote:

On February 06 2018 06:37 Mocsta wrote:

On February 06 2018 06:36 mderg wrote:

On February 06 2018 06:34 Mocsta wrote:

On February 06 2018 06:31 Holyflare wrote:
The fact is you can't be bothered because it isn't really important and is pretty irrelevant. Rayn makes a wall of text on it and it's overblown. There's a couple of reasons that spring to mind but there's nothing wrong with voting rayn in the meantime.

a tually ita because i needed to piss and am goinf back to sleep lol

But.. what yoy say is interesting.
I will considee when i wake if a wall of text was deserving over a "ping"

Going back to sleep is probably a good idea considering the way you write at the moment

Bro-ski
Nice joke but not very hipster of you

Be that wanderer and tell me thoights on rsoultin please

Was thinking nothing about her posts but that

On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though.

actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me

Why?

Maybe bullshitty is the wrong word but this "unnatural place for someone's mind to go" is a bit much regarding an obvious joke post

Again, why does it being an obvious joke post default to bullshit? I read the beginning of the sentence and assumed mafia would be the conclusion. It wasn't. That caught my eye more than all the other obvious jokes flying around -shrugs- I agree that it's pretty moot since it was just a passing thought that for some stupid reason has now become the focal point of the thread.

What do you think about mocsta bandwagoning on that?

@DF, so it's scummy for me to comment on it like I did but you also don't like mocsta. I don't understand.

bolded part in particular bothers me a lot since I could only really see 3 "joke" posts (trfel, me, rsoultin), so it's like there was only really one "joke" post but she makes it seem like there were a larger amount that she had to filter through

Literally everything in the thread up to that point apart from perhaps Joni's post was a joke post? And I'm not sure how I made it seem like a larger amount to you. This is also pretty blatantly misrepresentative given I was poking at everyone doing the jokes, not just you. It's just the one Joni pinged on and turned into the thing to discuss in the thread @.@

On February 06 2018 18:29 rsoultin wrote:

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Meh. Not really liking this list post. It's defending me without defending me, which is more likely to come from scum, and I like where he's at on df and conv because that's where I'm at, but the default to lynching koshi is just shit-tastic.

Have no reason to anything koshi, so why him over poop soup, for instance?

Probably one of the only posts I'll actually make comment on because I hate it. The red is just calling him mafia but then for some reason it's justified with the really out of place fall back to "oh but he has the same reads as me!" as if it means something good but then proceeds to shit on him further with the koshi comment? I'd have absolutely no problem with it if it didn't have the green portion but this makes it look like rsoul was piecing together two different mindsets in one in a forced post.

On February 06 2018 18:48 rsoultin wrote:
I think I want to lynch into conv/rit/mderg today.

Not sure on mocsta...it's hard to tell with someone tunneled on you.

Rayn and truffle are town.

DF...I'm not sure. I see the issue truffle has with him, and it's part of why I'm reading truffle town, but I still think that tonally DF is kinda towny. Relaxed. Also, it doesn't really look like last game where he was scum.

What bugs me about ritoky most is he seems to have a decently strong reason to scumread conversion but isn't pursuing it. If conv ends up being scum, he probably is, too. Actually, he's probably scum anyway. I really don't get the focus on koshi over people who are actually scummy to him.

I lied. I'm commenting on this too. All of the above posts are ctrl + f of rsoul's filter for the word "conv" so as you can see there's absolutely 0 reasons to scum read conversion in any of these posts other than the "joke" at the beginning of the game which allegedly meant nothing but also something. Suddenly all her reads are conversion centric and even bases reads on ritoky in the future on an unsubstantiated read. Don't like at allllllll. OH and FURTHER TO THIS is that the lynch list is Conversion/ritoky/mderg but there's no reason for any of them in this post. It's just a bit on ritoky and that's it.

On February 06 2018 19:11 rsoultin wrote:

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First off, I'm not shitting on it for length. It's difficult for me to follow in many cases.

And I'm not sure what exactly you want me to address in point 2. I've already explained where my head was at. I found it weird enough to prod Conv for reactions but not worth pursuing. You're right that I didn't go Look at me I found an amazing sign that Conv is scum \o/

Because I hadn't. Nor did I ever attempt to sell it as that.

Nor was it a look at me I'm so towny generating content \o/. I'm one of the spammiest mafiosos on this site, and you may not know that, but everyone who has played with me a fair amount does. It's simply not something I'd try to sell as any alignment.

I'm town. You'll see it or you won't. Or you're scum. I really don't give a fuck. If you're town here (and I think you are given you didn't just sit there on your silly bomb nonsense once I ignored you) you decided I was scum just for poking Conv in the first place on his SK joke and have been looking at everything through the lens of my being scum since. If you're good, you'll get untunneled. If you're not, whatever.

On February 06 2018 19:18 rsoultin wrote:

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Why koshi over Conversion, ritoky?

On February 06 2018 19:37 rsoultin wrote:

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Ah, yeah, that was in response to your post. I was just saying that Conversion's post was the most interesting of the posts that had been made so far. Which...wasn't saying much. Also my point. While I don't mind trying to clarify for people what I was thinking, I'm getting pretty tired of rehashing what was essentially just a poke at Conversion to see how he'd react -_-

Not sure how many times I can explain this.

On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:

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^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky.

You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all.

Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either.

Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town?

Interesting post towards ritoky accusing him of not pushing Conversion when as you can see above there is 0 push on Conversion from Rsoultin too.

On February 06 2018 19:49 rsoultin wrote:

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Oh, while looking for who asked that...point 4 is just entirely wrong, Mocsta.

I was saying that I expected Conversion to call HF mafia in his joke, and what caught my attention was that he didn't. This had nothing to do with my reads on either of them.

On February 07 2018 00:40 rsoultin wrote:

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On February 06 2018 23:33 Conversion wrote:
To be clear, rsoultin

On February 06 2018 18:48 rsoultin wrote:
I think I want to lynch into conv/rit/mderg today.

Not sure on mocsta...it's hard to tell with someone tunneled on you.

Rayn and truffle are town.

DF...I'm not sure. I see the issue truffle has with him, and it's part of why I'm reading truffle town, but I still think that tonally DF is kinda towny. Relaxed. Also, it doesn't really look like last game where he was scum.

What bugs me about ritoky most is he seems to have a decently strong reason to scumread conversion but isn't pursuing it. If conv ends up being scum, he probably is, too. Actually, he's probably scum anyway. I really don't get the focus on koshi over people who are actually scummy to him.

You said this and then another page+ is you just pinpointing things that don't help you push your agenda. You poked ritoky a few times, that's about it. I didn't see you getting anything from that.

Also

On February 06 2018 20:23 rsoultin wrote:

On February 06 2018 20:20 ritoky wrote:

On February 06 2018 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote:

On February 06 2018 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:

On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read?

that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment.

so rsoultin and Trfel arent townreads after all? I mean if Mocsta is "half town" based on a shitty heuristic, i am quite sure you should consider your almost as shitty smiley read more convincing and Trfel is always town so i cannot understand why anyone should not read him as town as Mocsta in the first place. I don't understand the strength of HF read and i think it is BS but i concede to the point you could possibly maybe sometimes think so as town.

i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly.

trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore.

I am sorry but i cannot tell if you are telling the truth or lying about it based on what you posted at the time you supposedly went to check this.

Which was the post Trfel took out of context?

this is the most honest game of mafia i have ever played. i haven't exaggerated anything, lied, or taken anything deliberately out of context yet. which is a wild deviation for me.

On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:
I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious.

On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:

On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:

On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:

On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:

On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer

this is quite funny.
See i thoight before you said YOU were sk

I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF.

When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet

This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing.

I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it.

Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz.

I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play.

However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far?

Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it.

Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep

"I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case.

Also,

On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time.

What about this?

On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:

On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:

On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:

On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town

df hot and cold

conv kinda poop soup

lynch koshi

Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?

his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.

non committal.

posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia.

Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you?

the last quote here is taken out of context for a "gotcha" moment in my eyes; when clearly if you read it in context (i would know it was directed at me) it does not mean what trfel is trying to make it mean.

Eh, I don't really see the taken out of context point.

Can you explain how you don't see the taken out of context point? It was pretty clear.

Wait a second lol >< This looks like you just decided I was being 'nitpicky' and defensive and then realized that I was questioning a scumread and went oops! Better correct that! Must be a pain to claim I'm doing nothing about my reads and then notice that I am.

Here's a hint: read a couple posts down and you'll see I already answered your question. Guess you missed that in your skim as well?

On February 07 2018 00:42 rsoultin wrote:

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Can you explain Conversion? Because I think he just made up a read on me based on what he saw holyflare saying and then had to backtrack.

On February 07 2018 00:43 rsoultin wrote:

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Nothing you've posted since your return makes it look like you actually read before spouting off at the mouth.

On February 07 2018 00:46 rsoultin wrote:

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Well, if you're not reading to get your reads, you have to be getting them from somewhere.

Notice the timestamp of the vote at the top of this spoiler. This vote comes at the very last post about Conversion in her filter. It's strange after being so Conversion centric and basing everything off Conversion being mafia the entire game to only vote him after he had to "backtrack from sheeping hf" which doesn't make sense in and of itself because I haven't backtracked and haven't needed to so why would Conversion?

Big respect you didn't vote rsoultin btw.
I never read this before.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 00:05 GMT

#1057

Yeah.. I don't know. Weird shit indeed. The game is so far from solved. At least we had today.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 00:31 GMT

#1062

On February 08 2018 09:19 Damdred wrote:

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Koshi your answers yoi just asked are literally already in my filter. Way to cherry pick though.

I grill mderg and he literally comits suicide by voting off of tina and gives himself the only shot of being lynched.

I explained to tina amd df I believe in my filter I did not believe mderg would flip scum and I consolidated on tina.

And out of Tina and Mderg, mderg looked more townie doing whatever and he is going to die then tina doing the same thing and not being in danger.

oh yeah I saw that. Well.. If I give rsoultin the benefit of the doubt that she does what she did as town I should do the same to you.

You agree with my lynchpool? Who would you add?

I am zoning in on these 3ish people.

But like I said. Mafia doesn't look bad after lynches a lot of the time. They know what will come and are not caught with their pants down and their dicks in their hands. They don't go as far as HF went though. So that guy is so very town. Mocsta as well. Related to his posting as well. Koshi obvious town.

Others? not so much. ritoky can be town. I hope you can give your blessing tomorrow. tfrel is also more likely town based on posts. If he is mafia. Holy fuck we never catch him.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 00:35 GMT

#1063

If you are a cop and you will live a long time because you are lynchbaity like people. Like prplhz for example. It is a good play to just check people like ritoky/mocsta and then come out D4 with your checks.

nks will be Koshi/HF/Mocsta most likely. (rayn should easily be d4 if he is town)
lynches will be rsoultin/conversion/damdred.

So if you check the lynches you might get reds but they will get lynched anyway. And if they are green you need to claim to safe them which is not what you want to do.

Anyway. If you are cop you know what to do and you can do w.e the fuck you want ofc.
My paranoia and sleep deprivation is kicking in.

I am off to bed.

ggwp on the lynch bois.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 00:35 GMT

#1064

On February 08 2018 09:35 Koshi wrote:
If you are a cop and you will live a long time because you are lynchbaity like people. Like prplhz for example. It is a good play to just check people like ritoky/tfrel and then come out D4 with your checks.

nks will be Koshi/HF/Mocsta most likely. (rayn should easily be d4 if he is town)
lynches will be rsoultin/conversion/damdred.

So if you check the lynches you might get reds but they will get lynched anyway. And if they are green you need to claim to safe them which is not what you want to do.

Anyway. If you are cop you know what to do and you can do w.e the fuck you want ofc.
My paranoia and sleep deprivation is kicking in.

I am off to bed.

ggwp on the lynch bois.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 08:14 GMT

#1136

On February 08 2018 10:20 Mocsta wrote:

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On February 08 2018 00:58 Trfel wrote:

On February 08 2018 00:53 mderg wrote:

On February 08 2018 00:14 Trfel wrote:
@Conversion, fair enough, I see that.

Personally I'm not a fan of his read progression on rsoultin. Feels like he goes from nothing to serial killer post was exaggerated to I see some of Mocsta's stuff (but the quality/accuracy of the read doesn't make me townread Mocsta) to passive-aggressiveness to not town rsoultin. Feels like following thread sentiment without adding much.

The Mocsta thing really sticks out to me. Did mderg agree with Mocsta's case? It seems like he did, since he was saying that he was seeing it and the biggest reasons he (mderg) is suspicious of rsoultin for are in it. But his own read on Mocsta is that he (Mocsta) is town because of being focused instead of jumping around. Nothing at all to do with Mocsta's suspicions of rsoultin that mderg himself seems to agree with strongly enough to vote.

Does anyone else see that?

@Koshi, I see what you're saying now. I guess I don't expect everyone to solve the game by POE, I know that I don't. Not opposed to the rest of what you're saying though. Thanks for explaining your prplhz/mderg thing earlier, by the way, that really helped. I had missed rsoultin asking for your prplhz read.

rsoultin read progression was something like: didn't like the serial killer post to rsoultin feels passive-aggressive, so doesn't look like town rsoultin.
I guess that's pretty close to thread sentiment but I've never claimed that I didn't sheep.

My townread on Mocsta is largely based on his rsoultin case. I think that says enough.

The last sentence, I don't see that at all in your filter. You've said that your townread on Mocsta is due to staying focused and not jumping around like he did last game as mafia.

On February 07 2018 20:53 mderg wrote:

On February 07 2018 08:47 darthfoley wrote:

On February 06 2018 20:25 mderg wrote:
Mocsta seems townie based on the fact that he kind of seems to know where he's going this game.

I'd really like mderg to expand on this point because tbh I have no idea where Mocsta is going outside of his rsoultin read.

Pretty much everything early on revolved around his scumread on rsoultin and his desire to get her lynched. Last game it felt like he latched onto every other case without any focus on who he actually voted or wanted to lynch.

To me this doesn't say anything about what you think about his case/read on rsoultin itself, it talks about the way he's pushing (focused, with direction vs opportunistic, pushing everyone). Still listening if I am missing something though.

Heading out for class, voting mderg for now. The above seems very inconsistent. Mderg also doesn't seem to care if people are making reads and sharing thoughts that he agrees with; it doesn't affect his read on the person who posted the thoughts at all.

Koshi, you are too paranoid about trfel.

If this is a bus. fuck me. not only is it award worthy play, but im happy to lose the game.

THERE WAS NO NEED TO FORCE A VOTE ONTO MDERG AT THIS POINT (if you think rsoultin is town); and the logic is absolutely ON POINT.

Good stuff thx.
Never bad to question everybody after a good lynch.
But tfrel is clear.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 10:09 GMT

#1171

On February 08 2018 12:31 Mocsta wrote:

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I fully agree with that.. in my opinion Rayn made (what i consider to be) deceitful effort to sway people from mderg before it got traction. thats the kicker for me.

as leader of opposing wagon, he intervened TOO EARLY.

Both ritoky and mocsta make excellent posts here. ritoky top town.

The mderg wagon was pure. Amazing.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 10:48 GMT

#1189

On February 08 2018 17:25 rsoultin wrote:

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Like this? I mean I remember a shitfight with btdt I think...maybe I should find that game again.

Imo we let it rest. Dont analyse it. w.e
He is probably not happy with it.
And it is nai.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 10:51 GMT

#1190

On February 08 2018 18:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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uh oh... now i kinda think you're mafia.

you've done this before when you write into mafia qt and then come to thread and forget which tags to use.

That is actually true.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 10:56 GMT

#1194

On February 08 2018 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Furthermore, here is what i saw at the eod. Correct me if i am wrong as i was speedreading whenever i got a chance during work. Lynches were rsoultin or mderg. prplhz was thrown in as a third option. I personally thought prplhz was actaully in some kind of danger (like he had as many votes or close to rsoul/mderg) of getting lynched. The reason (Koshi mentioned this) i said i think prplhz is town in a post close to deadline is because i had actually no clue where the votes are and prplhz brought up shennies which i find to be dumb as scum (as i read mderg as town) since from my perspective the shennies would most likely end up on him. He could have just voted for mderg for some random reason (yes, he tends to do that -- i know it from experience, as mafia).

Another thing is that noone was really pushing anything over rsoultin, other than mderg. Which is why i also find it more likely that rsoultin is mafia too. There was mderg -- rsoultin -- (prplhz). Which mafia team doesn't do anything in this situation in case only mderg is mafia? If we exclude prplhz why don't mafia vote for rsoultin or try to get her lynched instead? The only reasons in case rsoultin is town are semi-afk mafia at the time (rels slot, and i have to check on conv,ritoky,mocsta and damdred) or there is already a bus and crossed fingers (mocsta, possibly ritoky -- i don't believe anyone else here is bussing). But i don't find this scenario more likely than just that rsoultin is mafia, based on both mderg's and rsoultin's actions at the deadline.

Koshi is quite obviously town.

Trfel is quite obviously town.

prplhz i talked about earlier, town.

I believe darthfoley would have pushed rsoultin lynch more near the deadline in case he was mafia, if he is mafia with rsoultin the whole mafia teams play during whole D1 doesn't make any fucking sense at all so the only conclusion i can come to is that he is town.

ritoky voted for mderg so he gets a pass for now.

Holyflare could technically be scum if rsoultin is scum but i don't really believe D1 would have ended in a mafia lynch in case Holyflare is mafia, and he also voted for mderg, so town.

Mocsta slipped, probably scum. Could bus. Already did so (although softly) last game.

disformation nothing to say here.

Damdred and Conversion. Conversion's tone sounds townie but idk if to trust that. Also Koshi i think made a decent case. Idk, tone says town, hard evidence says mafia. Damdred could be anything.

I'd still roll with rsoultin and Mocsta.

Not a bad post. Blah this game will be though.
Pls mafia dont kill me. This seems like fun.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 11:02 GMT

#1203

12 pages of filter. Not going through that on mobile.

But the post in which rsoultin is angry after I call her out that she isnt doing shit and just filling her filter with drabble sounded supertownie.

No not supertownie but supergenuine.

She entered game and rayn took a giant dump on her. She is pissed and leaves. She enters thread with new hopes and tries her best and koshi yells at her saying she is doing shit all and is useless.
=
Outburst that every townie would have.

Mafia would be fake insulted. She was super genuine.

Rsoultin almost never mafia rayn. The acting of emotional feelings are INSANE FUCKING BRILLIANT.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 11:02 GMT

#1205

On February 08 2018 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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it is true.

Yeah I was in that game as well. We didnt see it.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 11:04 GMT

#1207

7 pages on darthfoley and I like the kid. He is not mafia. Trashvote but not mafia.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 11:35 GMT

#1222

On February 08 2018 20:08 Mocsta wrote:

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i've done it in multiple games.

its only happened unintentionally in a single game (unfortunately, it happened twice in that game).

If you really are concerned. i bolded a lot of shit in the scum qt from the newbie, and never in the actual game.

its actually scummy for someone to even consider it beyond a joke given how it was delivered.

I dont care. Is just funny to remember.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 11:36 GMT

#1224

On February 08 2018 20:09 rsoultin wrote:

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I actually think scumming with mocsta would be super fun. All kinds of crazy shit going down.

This isnt the mafia qt

Koshi

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February 08 2018 11:37 GMT

#1226

On February 08 2018 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I believe you, like this game.

Damn joke already made.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 11:40 GMT

#1229

On February 08 2018 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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On February 08 2018 20:18 Mocsta wrote:

On February 08 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:

On February 08 2018 19:41 Mocsta wrote:
@tina

I still think your reasons to town read rayn are poor.

You are essentially stating he is a terrible townie that is subject to tunneling.

The thing is, you should re-read the post the rayn post below.. this was the first post that made me iffy about rayn; and of course, the whole mderg sequence of events seals the deal.

For your reference, this type of mindset of how he addresses me is not very townie (or tunneled).
Its why i asked later if he is this self-centered.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?page=10#197

...Lol. I wouldn't use those words exactly but yes Joni and I fundamentally disagree on what makes people scum. Self-centered reads are kind of his thing. That and things like inconsistencies.

What is it about you that you find weird in his post?

I honestly do believe that he could scumread me just for being dismissive toward him as town.

Well firstly, i take issue with the conversion town read. Lack of basis behind it and completely irrelevant to the main content of the post.. Its nitpicking but that should have been split off as a second post. Its like he wants that specifically in his filter, but to blend in.

Then when talking to. hes addressing me in an odd way. Hes buttering me up, suggesting he town reads me and wants to let me down easy by saying, your case is crap! e.g. "you havent played much with tina so it makes sense you make a case like that"... for me this is totally illogical. a good point is a good point regardless of whom.
So when he proceeds to continue the exact same points im getting alarm bells that this is non-genuine behaviour.
see.. I think a town tunneled rayn would be more than happy i was riding the same direction.. whereas this scum!rayn is trying his best to accentuate his townish traits.

Further, the item about damdred is stupid because as i pointed out prior, he answered the question for damdred, so the whole exchange is useless.
The ritoky thing is acceptable to discuss, but not worthy of a scum read.

Very good Mocsta. This sounds like a decent scumread, i am happy you pursued this D1 as all this information was in the thread at the time.

Worst answer ever rayn.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 11:53 GMT

#1232

Yeah lynch into the 3. Game is good

Koshi

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February 08 2018 12:15 GMT

#1234

On February 08 2018 20:36 disformation wrote:
other random stuff. i think mocsta and rsoultin were talking about mbti at some point. imma istj. use that info as you want.

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yeah, that is why my gut was calling her town yesterday as well. think i mentioned that yesterday as well.
would give you more creds, but you already have all of them.

I know. You are a very smart man.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 12:35 GMT

#1236

On February 08 2018 21:33 disformation wrote:

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not sure if you are saying me is a smartie for a) the stuff on rsoultin b) giving you all my creds c) both

... its b) isnt it? xD

It was both. 😁😄

Koshi

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February 08 2018 13:52 GMT

#1248

On February 08 2018 22:11 Conversion wrote:
Assuming Mocsta is the real mad hatter, I will die by next day.

I am of the mindset that there is one mafia in Damdred/rayn/prplhz, and one mafia outside of it. Two mafia makes the game too easy, and mderg cruise controlled to make rsoultin and I look bad. Good play EoD on his end with how the lynch played out, although I still believe that saving himself would have bought more time as mafia.

Game looks way too easy as it seems if the entire mafia pool was in the three I mentioned above, but maybe I will be wrong and town will have an easy victory.

See. Good post. And you wont be dead lol.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 13:54 GMT

#1249

I guess we lynch Damdred. Least resistance lynch.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 14:02 GMT

#1254

On February 08 2018 22:55 disformation wrote:

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shouldnt we be lynching the one who is most likely to flip scum? or do you think that least resistance equals scum here?

Sounds like too advanced tactics.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 14:04 GMT

#1255

On February 08 2018 23:02 disformation wrote:
but why didnt you guys lynch rels yesterday in that case?

You dont fuck with the french.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 14:42 GMT

#1264

On February 08 2018 23:16 disformation wrote:

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mh, if i remember that correctly that was a mix of "well he is currently sick" "damdred is not entirely unlikely to have a bad d1" "he might become a beautiful butterfly".
then he had the highly questionable eod vote and i dont think he turned into a beautiful butterfly either.

This. No butterfly. More like beedrill.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 14:45 GMT

#1265

On February 08 2018 23:20 Mocsta wrote:
Hmmm. That is fair.

I recall a post between him and mderg
Not a greatfully meaningful post. But didnt come across to me as scum v scum

Seemed genuinely frustrated. Makea me want to not lynch damdred first

1 post between mafia partners in which he mildly attacks mdergs read on me (which was shit) does not make damdred town.

Like I said. He had both rsoultin and mdreg as mafia. Talked to both and found 1 town and 1 mafia. He decided to vote for the one that looked town.

He explained why but I dont fully buy it. Why not join both rsoultin and mderg on their offwagon then??

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:18 GMT

#1277

Can we pls agree that the mderg wagon kinda pure. As in, we dont lynch anybody on it for next 2 lynches unless something major happens.

So darthfoley, rsoultin, disformation and prplhz are left except you 3.

I guess you people townread each other because you are in the same mindset.

Grr.
I must say you 3 make it extremely hard. You are making townie posts n1. Emo wise

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:27 GMT

#1281

Disformation is doing extremely well and reads this game as a townie would. And he brings excellent fresh analysis to the game.

Conversion emo townstells. Is still playing the game and I dont feel like he is protecting his partner at all. Looking broad and doesnt make icky posts.

rayn I dont think is mafia but I rarely do lately. He has an entire day to proof himself further. Dont think he is a d2 lynch.

Damdred I would lynch the most now. Low activity. No fresh analysis. And a really odd EoD. Him voting rsoultin is just not good.

prplhz is just +1 and I dont know. It's a gut read. Maybe we need to shennanie on him tomorrow.

DF is my bro. Made good posts after the flip. I can see where he is going. Made good posts before the flip. Nothing special though on emo posts. Bit emoless

Rsoultin deserves some oscars for her acting if mafia.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:32 GMT

#1284

DF his list post makes sense on why he voted rsoultin. His mafia reads were on mderg.

I dont like how he seems to be pretty laid back this game though. Hmmm.

Blah.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:33 GMT

#1286

On February 09 2018 00:32 disformation wrote:
i mean i somewhat get where rayn is coming from.

cause you kinda imply that those 3 dont look hot and that easily one of them has to be scum. so it is at least implied "i could lynch into them".

rayn is just trying to be funny but didnt read 100% correct.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:34 GMT

#1288

It was pretty funny btw. Just not 100% accurate

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:34 GMT

#1289

On February 09 2018 00:33 Conversion wrote:

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Yes, but that doesn't directly translate into I have 3 scum reads. Rayn is doing what Truffle did earlier, taking a quote from my filter, misrepresenting my stance, and fitting it into his agenda. Not liking three people and wanting to work from there to find scum != having three scum pinned when two scum are left.

Twas a joke.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:35 GMT

#1291

@rayn.
When rsoultin is town. DF can be mafia right? Because in you mind df is only cleared because mderg/rsoultin voted him.

Can you elaborate on the df read? Just give me the different bullet points.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:38 GMT

#1293

On February 06 2018 12:06 darthfoley wrote:

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One reason why I scum read rsoultin over Mocsta is that this comment here perfectly summarizes how I felt about reading conversions comment

This is the comment I loved.
Vut fuck me his filter is not good at all.

Goddamn df is on the table. Fuck. He is mafia isnt he?

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:39 GMT

#1295

On February 09 2018 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ah right.. i am back to mocsta + rsoultin.

... not in a million years.
When I die. Can you pm me your password? I'll take over.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:40 GMT

#1296

On February 09 2018 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I dont understand why a mafia would vote for df instead of rsoultin in that situation if df was mafia.

Because at that time nothing except rsoultin was happenong. Doesnt matter who. It was not happening ever.

The only question is: Why not vote rsoultin?? But I cant scumread her.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:41 GMT

#1297

Also dont buy into things mafia controls rayn. Rookie mistake.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:42 GMT

#1298

What mdreg did was 1000% a wifom play. Calculated wifom.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:46 GMT

#1300

On February 09 2018 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We'll see. Mocsta slipped anyways.

Nha he just made like 180 posts in a qt not so long ago. I buy his excuse.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:47 GMT

#1301

I am at darthfoley/damdred atm.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:53 GMT

#1304

On February 09 2018 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Looking back i dont think damdred would have called both rsoultin and ritoky mafia at the start of the game in case he was mafia. Slippery slope that would be...

Both are town. And again you buy into the wifom.

What you say has nothing to do with the content of what he wrote. Just that he made a decision to write about them. And he did so using excuses with sickness etc.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:54 GMT

#1305

On February 09 2018 00:51 disformation wrote:
mh. kinda skimmed through df filter. things of interest i found are that he has a very strong tr on conversion that is not rly explained and that one post start of night phase were he is like "nvm my eod looks bad".
i probably missed something though. koshi halp?

Yes. And it makes him mafia.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:55 GMT

#1308

The EoD thing is very self aware btw. Because I didnt see that and I dont think others had that feeling.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 15:58 GMT

#1309

Well Damdred is going for the 2 mafia make themselves look like utter shit to vote on the third mafia scenario.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 18:32 GMT

#1317

+4 hf on fire this game.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 21:52 GMT

#1371

Mocsta... are you doing the nks again? 😁

Koshi

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February 08 2018 21:55 GMT

#1372

On February 09 2018 05:42 ritoky wrote:
but guys, what happened to the SK?

I got docsaved.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 21:57 GMT

#1374

On February 09 2018 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still have absolutely no idea how someone can townread disformation. There is nothing in his filter than a random pick on Conversation being scum (which is a really really opportunistic read) and then nothing that someone else hasn't said already. And asslicking Koshi.

Tip top town.

Koshi

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February 08 2018 22:04 GMT

#1380

Damdred is mafia. The guy does not have this many holes in his game normallu. Well only mafia can have this many holes in their story. And when confronted by it he just repeats his story slighly moderated to fill the hole but he isnt doing that.

HF raises excellent points. Damdred his logic is flawed. Just like the logic behind his d1 vote. And he keeps creating new stories to explain those flaws. But enough is enough.

Darth is probably also mafia by poe

I'll vote later.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 08:17 GMT

#1529

End page 95. People who say rsoultin is mafia and damdred town should feel bad. 1 is like a cop asking questions and the other a suspect who murdered 7 children.

I associate cop with town. FYI.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 08:19 GMT

#1530

On February 09 2018 11:10 Mocsta wrote:
I really struggle to see this as scum to scum conversation.

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 06 2018 20:25 mderg wrote:
Mocsta seems townie based on the fact that he kind of seems to know where he's going this game.

On February 07 2018 08:47 darthfoley wrote:
I'd really like mderg to expand on this point because tbh I have no idea where Mocsta is going outside of his rsoultin read.

On February 07 2018 20:53 mderg wrote:
Pretty much everything early on revolved around his scumread on rsoultin and his desire to get her lynched. Last game it felt like he latched onto every other case without any focus on who he actually voted or wanted to lynch.

On February 07 2018 21:00 darthfoley wrote:
Hmmm. I guess I can see what you mean. Has your read on him changed at all since?

On February 07 2018 21:32 mderg wrote:
A bit, he's certainly a bit more jumpy now

In DarthFoley eyes mocsta is scum; and this reads as a legitimate attempt to canvas why someone presents an alternate view. (i.e. not fake scum to scum interaction)

What follows a couple posts from mderg is the infamous summary:

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Does it read prior that hes talking to someone that is scum lean?
Does it read prior that mderg would call DF scummy for that conversation?

On February 08 2018 00:26 Conversion wrote:
Someone (I think DF) also called out how hilarious it was that mderg commented on how he liked Mocsta for kind of knowing where he was going in the game, but also said he had a hard time really understanding his posts..

I think we centralize on prplhz/mderg/rsoul here. I'm leaning more towards prplhz/mderg, but I didn't like rsoultin's latest string of posts either. I will explain that soon.

On February 08 2018 04:06 darthfoley wrote:
yes, it was I! I still think that inconsistency is very weird, even after he explained it. I kinda bought it but not really

Catching up now 1 hour before deadline

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I believe this exchange is crucial to determine DF alignment.
Note the votes when DF made that post:

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If DF is scum.. he can either bus or save mderg.

If he was bussing, DF would be riding this so much harder.. instead, he actally backs off it slightly & eventually gets into a screaming match with HF. One could argue, that rsoultin and mderg are scum. If so, i think DF only has one play which is to try and swing votes onto me (as his other read).

Overall I am satisfied DF is town.

But but but... that means rayn wont keep his promise 😢😢😭

Koshi

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February 09 2018 08:23 GMT

#1531

On February 09 2018 11:37 Damdred wrote:
Fuck it lets go, im just wrong on df.

If mderg and rs are scum together, df didnt do jackshit to help a counterwagon when he was presenr so doesnt make sense.

If mderg and df are scum together, you are right in that he should of bussed but now is part of the people who are being looked at.

His fihht i pointed out served no purpose and hurt hia cause if he is scum with mderg, he might od been antagonistic toqards hf but no real reason when he needs him to kill tina. (if shes town)

probably just town here because it doesnr make sense and im an idiot

Hahaha. Goddamn. If you are town damdred you play town on such a fucking weird way I probably shouldnt call you mafia anymore in the future. I still will ofcourse.

How the fuck are you still on rsoultin is mafia... you have 0 reasoning why she is mafia except the vote thing. She has a million post in this thread and you never challenge her critically on them (If you did it once my point still stands) and every time you talk to her you are a weak lamb defending yourself and pleasing her. Dafuqqqqq

Koshi

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February 09 2018 08:25 GMT

#1532

On February 09 2018 11:38 Conversion wrote:

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I’ll leave people figuring you or rayn out to other people. prpl is not memorable and I did a quick check with his Simple game and it gave me scum vibes. That’s the extent of the read

Be a hero tomorrow and decide between rayn and prplhz. I think those will be the main choices.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 08:28 GMT

#1533

On February 09 2018 12:44 Damdred wrote:

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On February 09 2018 12:35 Conversion wrote:

On February 09 2018 12:15 Damdred wrote:

On February 09 2018 12:09 Conversion wrote:

On February 09 2018 11:56 Damdred wrote:

On February 09 2018 11:47 Conversion wrote:

On February 09 2018 11:42 Damdred wrote:

On February 09 2018 11:38 Conversion wrote:

On February 09 2018 11:20 Damdred wrote:

On February 09 2018 11:16 Conversion wrote:
[quote]

I wasn’t planning to be here, to be honest. I’ll probably park prplhz and see where town ends up D3

i dont understand? i thought you had aome aolid scum reads you wanted to pursue even if you arent here anyway, or is prp your top scum now.

I’ll leave people figuring you or rayn out to other people. prpl is not memorable and I did a quick check with his Simple game and it gave me scum vibes. That’s the extent of the read

i understand that rsoultin kind of goaded youbinto staying pact on her, but you were really not liming mderg/prp. Can you take me through not changing and staying pact?

The entirety of D1 was me trying to get some bad habits out of my play (too much OMGUS/spammy emotional filter, hence HF’s cheeky cyborg Conversion comment) and another one was my super waffley nature when scum reading people. Waffley nature came out anyways as I got nervous about my vote as it seemed rsoultin was looking better than mderg, so I let it be transparent in the thread that I was not confident. rsoultin goaded me, I guess, but it more served a reminder that I wanted to improve my game, even by a little bit. So I stayed.

Ok, can you take me through why tina was making you feel better before her string of bad posts. I thinl you were absent when both of them decided to vote not each other?

I really disliked mderg’s response to my prodding at him then rsoultin’s. Rsoultin at one point said “ok my play before this was bad, and I will try to start new.” which I feel like I have and would do if I was town.

Mderg’s was just a passively dismissive attitude and I just really disliked it

Ok, what do you think of tina now?

I’d have to revisit her filter but I don’t remember her doing anyhig memorable? Although that’s just more me zoning out than not.

I cannot fathom a mderg + rsoultin mafia team playing that horribly before EoD, but I guess it is not impossible

Ok heres whatbim gwtting at.

You start with a hard enough scum read on tina to want to lynch her, she then wants ti start over which is enough to get you to move your read and just narrow to prp/mderg, rsoultin convinces you to stay on her by calling out your waffles.

You then during the night call tina town, amd have scum between me/rayn/prp, and now dont have an opinion of her but keeping the option open with the last sentence here for a scum read.

So I know you say youve zoned out especially over being angry. But can you explain it to me what im not seeing or misunderstanding because it seems strange?

Such a me4k conversation. It's cool and all but I dont see Damdred trying to convince Converssion rsoiltin is mafia. Nor do I see that Damdred thinks rsoultin is mafia in his questioning

Koshi

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February 09 2018 08:28 GMT

#1534

On February 09 2018 12:41 Mocsta wrote:
im never doing this again. fuck my life.. too tired to even go through it

Is there a reason why I would read it?

Koshi

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February 09 2018 08:30 GMT

#1535

On February 09 2018 16:48 Holyflare wrote:

It just seems like you're plugging the holes that get picked up on to me. Sorry if I'm wrong but that's just what I feel.

The last 2 times you were this intelligent and I agreed with all your posts you were mafia. I am not kidding.

If you and rsoultin are mafia I will be sad.
Also super impressed.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 08:34 GMT

#1536

On February 09 2018 14:14 Mocsta wrote:
my vote is sticking with damdred.

p37 in particular he is really out of flow with thread sentiment re: mderg.
hes subtlety trying to sway from mderg, and then around p40 suddenly "sorta can vote" mderg, even though his key scum read mocsta is parked on there.

His whole game is "im still forming opinions' yet is always just talking to people and happy for it all to be superficial, as per the recent conversion discussions across p76/77.

My revised reads list:
town
Ritoky
darthfoley
Conversion
rsoultin
Koshi
Holyflare
prplhz

null land
disinformation

scummy
Damdred
raynpelikoneet
===
prplhz would be first of my town pool to lynch into if {Damdred, rayn, disinfo} produced only 1 scum.

We should lynch rayn if damdred is mafia. Just because it is unbelievable ridiculous how wrong he is this game.

After last game in the qt he calls some lynches bad. The very next game he is mafia reading the most obvious hard working townie in the game while thread sentiment is sitting on mafia.

Sureeeeeeeeee

Koshi

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February 09 2018 08:42 GMT

#1537

## Vote Damdred

Koshi

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February 09 2018 08:44 GMT

#1538

On February 09 2018 07:59 darthfoley wrote:
What I don't understand is why scum!Damdred votes rsoultin at 5v3. I think it would make a lot more sense in that scenario to just hammer mderg and try to gain town cred from it.

If Damdred is scum, his vote + Mderg's lack of vote on rsoultin is probably the least optimal play ever. I just don't get it

Bad post. And the next 5 were also besides every point in the world.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 08:47 GMT

#1539

I'll explain why it is bad.

"I dont understand"

Those 3 words.

Are

Supershit.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 08:55 GMT

#1540

Damdred. If you are town mafia is within df and then maybe rayn/prplhz and very maybe conversion.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 09:03 GMT

#1542

Like he doesnt understand something that is very easy to find 5 million reasons for to understand.

But that is even besides the point. DF doesnt open a door that it could be something like bad play or w.e the fuck.

DF also completely ignores the fact rsoultin is maybe mafia. He tr Damdred based on an unflipped player her alignment. And he himself voted rsoultin. I forgot how hard he tr her now.

DF also doesnt want to figure out this little riddle why Damdred did what he did. He just doesnt get it and closes his mind off to a solution.

And the worst thing. That post is not succint at all. I can say all that in 1 sentence. "Damdred play was not optimal if he is mafia with mderg, it was better to hammer mderg"

There is sooooooo much more wrong with that post but I am not typing more on mobile.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 09:03 GMT

#1543

On February 09 2018 17:58 Mocsta wrote:

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make it stupid for me, because i still dont get the problem; nor did I think the "believe" thing is an issue (and probably related to non-native english).

Further, you commented on my df post equating him to town. Do you disagree?

It's a good post.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 09:09 GMT

#1545

On February 09 2018 18:03 Koshi wrote:

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It's a good post.

But it isnt conclusive at all.
DF TMI might have sparked that first discussion
DF might have wanted to still give mderg a fighting chance if mderg voted rsoultin. Making it very close. But if he votes mderg it isnt close at all anymore.

Like... You can interpret like you do. But the PoE pool is too small to tr somebody for tgat.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 09:11 GMT

#1546

On February 09 2018 18:07 Mocsta wrote:

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Ohh I see now.
Because rsoultin was his scum read, he should default to thinking both wagons were scum.

This is a puzzle game. The human mind likes to solve puzzles (at least ours) and while there are so many things to solve and so many variables left to discover, DF just "doesnt understand" and "doesnt get it".

It's lazy. So so lazy.

And I wonder why.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 09:13 GMT

#1547

If damdred is town both rayn and df are not helping us at all to see it. Df for sure. Rayn a bit.

And if damdred is mafia they are protecting their partner.

So Damdred has a key role here. Because the other people in my PoE take an interest stance on him.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 09:16 GMT

#1549

On February 09 2018 18:14 Mocsta wrote:
fine

lynch in order
damdred, rayn, prplhz, df

game over

Yeah.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 10:48 GMT

#1554

On February 09 2018 19:42 Mocsta wrote:
only scum care about doing everything they said they were gonna do.

lol. im still rayn top scum read lol. hes basically conceding

granted, i have bought into the wifom. damdred is probably town and rayn wants to lap up town cred.

This I have thought many times as well.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 12:32 GMT

#1575

On February 09 2018 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you, Koshi, think i would defend a lynchbait'y Damdred and try to instead lynch someone who is basically unlynchable, as mafia, then you are the dumbest person on the planet. So there is that.

Says the person who wants to lynch mocsta and said mderg was town.

And I only think you would do it if damdred is mafia. But that doesnt mean the thought didnt cross my mind.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 12:36 GMT

#1577

If Damdred isnt mafia I would go with df and prplhz.

disformation his analysis is wayyyyyy too good to come from town. Not only is the content good. Where he is looking is most excellent as well.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 12:36 GMT

#1578

On February 09 2018 21:36 Koshi wrote:
If Damdred isnt mafia I would go with df and prplhz.

disformation his analysis is wayyyyyy too good to come from mafia. Not only is the content good. Where he is looking is most excellent as well.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 12:43 GMT

#1579

On February 09 2018 21:12 Mocsta wrote:
I know its subjective. But if df is scum. Hes really changed it up over 2 games in 3 weeks.

Like hes pocketed me not by being nice or agreeing with me. But treating me like absolute shit lol

I really cant see him doing that as scum. At least not over other potentials.

Perhaps rels slot is the best option then.

I am actually more sure he is mafia over damdred. I made a mistake defending him yesterday.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 12:53 GMT

#1583

Twas a joke

Sometimes funny. Sometimes not.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 12:59 GMT

#1586

It's dinner time in a plane and the hostess asks a man: "Do you want to eat something?". And the man replies with: " What can I choose between?". On which the hostess answers: "Yes or no".

Koshi

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February 09 2018 13:01 GMT

#1588

Doc: Oh my rayn, there are 21 spoons in your stomach.
rayn: of course doc, you told me to take each day 3 spoons.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 13:05 GMT

#1590

A man and woman are watching tv when the phone rings. The man takes the call and answers with "I dont know, you should ask the US marines" and puts down the phone. The woman is surprised and asks who it was. And the man answers: " some guy asking if the coast is clear"

Koshi

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February 09 2018 13:19 GMT

#1591

A guy enters his favorite pub, orders a beer and tells his buddies:"guys you wont believe this but I met a real nympho, problem is, she still wants more but I am so tired I need a couple minutes rest, can't one help me out she is waiting in my car, the light broke so she wont notice it isnt me". So said, so done and one of his mates goes to his car. It doesnt take long and they are going at it. But after 5 minutes a cop passes and shines into the car and asks "what are we doing here". Which the guy replies to: "Nothing sir, she is my wife". Answers the cop: "oh srry I didnt know". And the guy: " me neither till you used your flashlight."

Koshi

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February 09 2018 13:20 GMT

#1592

I think that should balance Mocsta his joke out.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 14:52 GMT

#1597

Hmmmm somebody has to be mafia.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 16:24 GMT

#1611

That never helps them in the long run. Never.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 16:24 GMT

#1612

But I keep a healthy amount of suspicion on rsoultin.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 17:48 GMT

#1618

Yeah. Your nr1 scumread is misrepresenting you. Must feel really really bad.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 19:45 GMT

#1626

Slacker

Koshi

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February 09 2018 20:55 GMT

#1630

On February 10 2018 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I saw a couple of trash tier posts.

Keep being angry in this happy town.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 20:56 GMT

#1631

On February 10 2018 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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This is one. Again obviously noone notices.

He is 100% town. He waffles after good points. It's meta solid.

Also disfo makes wild as fuck posts as town. It's meta solid.

Koshi

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February 09 2018 21:25 GMT

#1635

On February 10 2018 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not angry. Well i am a little, at you. And because of that i will not reveal the strategy which almost always wins the game regardless of who is right or wrong. So you can then solve the game by yourself Koshi, i am just writing who i think is mafia.

I heard it scumreading scum was a good strategy. But I am all ears hearing how your townread scum, scumread town plan will unfold.

Koshi

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February 10 2018 00:04 GMT

#1667

Damdred is mafia.

Koshi

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February 10 2018 09:16 GMT

#1711

You are all insane. There are cases in this thread that make damdred the lynch. Even if hebis town.

Koshi

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February 10 2018 09:19 GMT

#1712

And if you lynch rsoultin you are completely mad. Her 3 names are correct.

Also notice as soon thread followed rayn, rayn suddenly opened up looking into other things. Dnu what it means but I noticed it. Maybe it is rayn/df. Makes a lot of sense I guess.

Still lynching Damdred for crimes against humanity.

Koshi

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February 10 2018 11:55 GMT

#1716

On February 10 2018 18:26 Mocsta wrote:
Look to be honest.
Im assuming Rayn is cop and checked Damdred.

I just dont get how someone can pronounce him town THAT fucking strongly.

Or he is scum and knows Damdred is town.

I didnt really want to say it, but, fuckn, i have to peace out 8hrs before lynch. I dont want to leave my vote with this type of uncertainty.

Theres very little consolidation this game, and it feels like d2 will be a repeat (where a flurry of votes will land in last 5 minutes). That is concerning; as mafia may be commanding 2 of those votes.

The other problem with last 5 minute vote swings is that, in the heat of the moment, logic drops out the window. and then we persecute people for that. I dont like it. volatile environments create volatile decisions.

Im going to a party tonight, so this is probably my last post.
Im leaving it on rsoultin.

Oh... rayn greenchecked Damdred. Ok. If that is the case rayn pls claim. If you are town. And damdred is green. 0% chance we lose this game

Koshi

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February 10 2018 12:09 GMT

#1717

##unvote
##vote darthfoley

Maybe I do this weird thing off voting my biggest scumread

Koshi

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February 10 2018 13:23 GMT

#1721

On February 10 2018 22:19 Holyflare wrote:
I also don't agree with your rayn points at all. I think he always pushes those kind of slips above his scum reads in every game I play with him. It brings me back to his vivax case in paint mafia where he was scum reading someone else and then vivax posted some logic error and he went full gung ho on him. It's just what rayn does imo.

I also don't think rayn looks at games in the way he has been as mafia. I don't see him try and break games like that unless he's town usually. I could be wrong but from my experience I don't find that to be the case.

If damdred is town though and there's such a convincing case on him that only rayn and rsoultin can't see it begs the question why isn't his wagon so much larger?

Because on surface the Damdred filter isn't bad.
I think people just don't understand or don't want to understand the deeper logic behind the errors Damdred has been making. But w.e

I go vote df.

Koshi

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February 10 2018 13:24 GMT

#1722

I am pretty sure it is DF/Damdred and as outsider prplhz.
Other than that I don't give a fuck and I will accept the MVP trophy endgame.

Koshi

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February 10 2018 22:29 GMT

#1872

On February 11 2018 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I AM SO GOOD AT THIS GAME FUCK YOU KOSHI!!!

I concede. You were right on this one.
Gj friend.

Koshi

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February 10 2018 23:06 GMT

#1878

Oh yeah. That was a poor choice of words.

Koshi

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February 10 2018 23:07 GMT

#1879

This game is so open... amazing.

Koshi

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February 10 2018 23:08 GMT

#1880

I want to congratulate town on the best d1 in a long time. If we hit mafia d3 this is without the best town in years.

Koshi

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February 10 2018 23:49 GMT

#1886

I havent read last 6 pages or so but I can say my paranoia is running rampant. I dont know atm. Pure gut. I am now 100% sure rayn is town. And then Mocsta. And probably the first 3 votes on rsoultin.

If I had to guess one of the last votes on rsoultin is mafia. But that is pure 100% guessing.

Koshi

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February 10 2018 23:51 GMT

#1887

Haha. Yeah Mocsta played strong.
No clue.

Koshi

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February 11 2018 10:41 GMT

#1897

On February 11 2018 09:23 darthfoley wrote:

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nah you should continue to say im mafia

I will probably. Thought about it when I was giving gf a massage ystetday

Koshi

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February 11 2018 10:42 GMT

#1898

And mocsta is with me so gg

Koshi

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February 11 2018 11:46 GMT

#1900

It's either damdred or df imo.
I think df showed demoralised play during d2. Damdred didnt at all. He kept fighting. More unlikely if it was again 2 mafia wagons

So yeah. Gogo df.

Koshi

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February 11 2018 11:53 GMT

#1903

On February 11 2018 20:49 Holyflare wrote:
Thinking it could well be disfo.

Meh. Maybe. Extremely maybe.

Koshi

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February 11 2018 11:54 GMT

#1904

Well not extremely.
1. Df
2. Disfo
3. Damdred

Is cool.

Koshi

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February 11 2018 11:55 GMT

#1905

On February 09 2018 07:07 ritoky wrote:
like if df is mafia it is because he didn't have a good reason to read rels town, but then i made one up for him and put it in his mouth and he agreed to it. but if he was legit angle shooting, he is le town.

i have faith in humanity, so town.

Remove faith.

Koshi

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February 11 2018 11:57 GMT

#1907

Ez game Ez life

Koshi

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February 11 2018 12:41 GMT

#1915

goddamn my d1 reads were shitty. At least townies helped me lynch the one guy that actually was scum.

Koshi

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February 11 2018 20:27 GMT

#1973

##vote darthfoley
At least I voted mafia yesterday.

Koshi

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February 11 2018 20:52 GMT

#1982

On February 12 2018 05:42 darthfoley wrote:
Nothing is more annoying than Koshi being wrong when he thinks he's right. I hope he's scum

hahahaha
Well if you flip miller that would suck but I doubt it.

Koshi

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February 11 2018 20:54 GMT

#1983

prplhz is cleared.
rayn is cleared.

There is nobody left that even can be mafia.
Disfo but I don't really believe it.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 08:24 GMT

#2009

He is town doc. No worries.
rayn played his checks ok-ish.
Problem is df either called his bluff or Damdred played his hearth out yesterday.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 08:25 GMT

#2010

On February 12 2018 16:17 Holyflare wrote:

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Why did you check the guy that lynched mafia day 1?

rayn called him mafia the entire game so it makes sense.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 08:28 GMT

#2012

Ohh ritoky and conversion are still in the game. Okkkk.
Yeah that changes things.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 08:30 GMT

#2013

Oh cool. Ritoky had actually nothing going for him with his vote d1. I kinda factored in rsoultin was town. So the wagon is maybe not pure.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 08:33 GMT

#2015

## unvote
##vote ritoky
Actually didnt play that much overall. Kinda obvious now.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 08:33 GMT

#2016

On February 12 2018 17:31 disformation wrote:
dunno man. do you put a super early vote on a pr and afk like that?
I mean it is not impossible, but pretty mean xD

Tis true. But I can see it happen.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 08:58 GMT

#2018

If HF is mafia not only does he play the best scum on this site. The level would also be too damn high.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 08:59 GMT

#2019

All line up for ritoky and gg claim from rayn. Was a cute play.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 09:01 GMT

#2020

Mafia played well but town this game was beyond godlike.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 12:47 GMT

#2058

Well....
rayn made a pretty good case.
And ritoky is pretty chill

##vote hf

Koshi

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February 12 2018 12:49 GMT

#2059

My advice to all my fans is to sheep rayn. Case is solid.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 12:49 GMT

#2060

We have a check left anyway.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 12:58 GMT

#2065

If you are town I resect you as a human being and I think you played a great game hf.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 13:04 GMT

#2068

On February 12 2018 22:01 Holyflare wrote:
I suggest you check koshi tonight. He has just jumped on every available wagon that he has seen. After the damdred wagon wasn't going ahead and rsoul was up for lynch the he switched to df.

Better to not check me and ml me. Extra drama.

I agree my game has been everywhere and nowhere since d1 and that I made many angries.

Pretty sure I voted everybody now. Maybe not rayn. Very maybe.

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February 12 2018 13:05 GMT

#2069

Oh nvm. I havent voted that many people at all.

Anyway. I see good case I follow.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 20:18 GMT

#2126

Well I stopped reading but dnu why you have like a million scumreads left DF.

Pick one. Lynch. Repeat.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 20:20 GMT

#2127

On February 13 2018 04:28 darthfoley wrote:

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Implies he still thinks mafia is between me and Damdred. Rayn just makes a case on HF and Koshi forgets this completely

Show nested quote +

Wtf is this progression? So basically Koshi is lynching HF for playing a great town game?

I am lynching HF cuz rayn case is decent.
And because I have agreed a lot with what HF said this game.
The meta says when I like HF and think he is awesome he is mafia. When I want to murder him and his unborn children he is town.

meta says mafia.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 20:22 GMT

#2128

And I do think there were some slight things off with HF his play. But I think Damdred is play was way more off.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 20:22 GMT

#2129

Like.. HF finds more inconsistencies as mafia than as town. That would be weird but also awesome.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 20:23 GMT

#2130

And I couldn't care less tbh. If I would be up for lynch sure. But atm who cares. We have a million misslynches and another check. yawn yawn.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 20:24 GMT

#2131

Still the fact he sat on me the entire D1 and then went for the weirdest mafia kill out of the 2 bugs me.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 20:44 GMT

#2132

And I mean he should have always voted rsoultin there.
I guess for mafia it was better that mderg died over rsoultin. But still power role...

Koshi

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February 12 2018 20:45 GMT

#2134

ofc framer vs a normal cop is not that amazing. But still. Meh.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 20:46 GMT

#2135

On February 13 2018 05:45 Holyflare wrote:
That's the opposite thing I'd do as mafia and you know it.

Maybe. I don't know anything atm.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 20:48 GMT

#2138

On February 13 2018 05:47 Holyflare wrote:
There is nothing good about rayn's case because it's 50% rsoultin's posts and about 20% saying my vote doesn't make sense. It's not particularly great reasons.

Ask me anything. I'd much rather we lynch damdred and at least check me.

Nha game is played. Evidence is in the thread. I don't know. I admit it.

Koshi

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February 12 2018 20:48 GMT

#2139

On February 13 2018 05:46 darthfoley wrote:
If there's a roleblocker, we don't get another check off so idk why y'all are on autopilot.

And a roleblocker is likely if prplhz is actually medic soooooo

Yeah I guess. Still without a check I am willing to go to lylo.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 08:39 GMT

#2150

Chances are this goes to lylo with ritoky/conversion and some other smug.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 08:43 GMT

#2151

I am still very up to lynch Damdred

Koshi

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February 13 2018 08:44 GMT

#2152

DF played the cop claim off quite well.
Disfo conf town
rayn conf town
Prplhz conf town

So conversion hf ritoky or damd.

Blah

Koshi

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February 13 2018 08:46 GMT

#2153

Well ritoky looks good. I can see him be town.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 08:48 GMT

#2154

On February 12 2018 05:11 Conversion wrote:
also if prplhz is mafia then I played a decent game. My first decent one

Show nested quote +

Conversion also looks good. Quoted post for sure.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 08:49 GMT

#2155

Yeah... I would lynch damdred. But I'll sheep rayn.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 09:12 GMT

#2157

Exciting times.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 09:37 GMT

#2160

On February 13 2018 18:34 disformation wrote:
so if you have a couple things to say, i'm all ears.
not gonna lie. super tempting to just sheep rayn who is conf town and on fire all game.
and i somehow cant really brain this game.

Bwaaaaaaa. So much asslicking. lets say his rsoultin read was correct. Mderg he townread and I dont know who last one is but if it isnt mocsta or df rayn was wrong. And I am pretty sure it isnt mocsta.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 09:41 GMT

#2162

Yes also a good point

Koshi

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February 13 2018 10:01 GMT

#2168

Yeah the mdreg vote was completely off. I townread him hard for it during the game but that was because I thought rsoultin was town.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 10:04 GMT

#2170

On February 07 2018 22:37 Koshi wrote:

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I was in a clear place here. Right before this I also said df was town and had a fit with mocsta.

HF needs to go sadly.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 10:06 GMT

#2172

On February 08 2018 03:29 Koshi wrote:

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mderg is more likely mafia.

LaeL if hf is mafia

Koshi

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February 13 2018 10:09 GMT

#2175

I have like a series of 10 posts in a row about mderg and rsoultin that makes me impossible mafia. People that think I am mafia are jokers

Koshi

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February 13 2018 10:12 GMT

#2176

On February 13 2018 19:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is another thing i found. This post is from D1.

Show nested quote +

Now the green part here is something that rsoultin very often does as mafia when people call her scum. She starts to shit up the thread with nonsense that has nothing to do with actually people being mafia or not, she just argues about completely useless points to make the arguments so annoying to read noone cares anymore. Thing to note here is that Holyflare, already at this point notices this is how rsoultin acts in certain situations.

Here is a string of posts from D2 after i made a case on rsoultin:

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I find it extremely unlike town!Holyflare doesn't vote for rsoultin after this (which is exactly what he was already talking about during D1) happens. Extremely unlike, like 1% likely.

Is he so in sync on reading rsoultin with you on that? Maybe. I dont read rsoultin like that.

It's all good though. We lunch hf. N0mn0m

Koshi

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February 13 2018 10:14 GMT

#2178

Since mderg made that list post I instantly called him mafia and started gathering steam for the wagon. And in the meantime I am hard attacking rsoultin and removing my townread on her. All this with brilliant posts.

If you scumread me shame on you.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 10:15 GMT

#2179

Last 2 days I did many poopies though. But that moment in d1 I was clear in the head.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 10:18 GMT

#2182

On February 13 2018 19:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still realyl don't understand why people townread you on N1 but maybe i am just bad.

You say things like:

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So, idk, do conv and df look like scum if damdred is town then or what?

Small meta thing. Disfo tends to make good posts as mafia and then goes "rawr rawr my post is so good rawr rawr"

But as town he makes a good point and then instantly counters his own good point with like a supershitty point and acts like his good point isnt good anymore.

It's funny.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 10:19 GMT

#2183

He did it once n1.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 10:19 GMT

#2184

It isnt a sure thing but it pinged me.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 10:38 GMT

#2192

I like that angel emoticon.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 12:51 GMT

#2199

If Damdred is mafia we will share the mvp throphy hf.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 12:53 GMT

#2201

On February 13 2018 21:46 Holyflare wrote:
I am a vt sailor from Great Britain and you can even check earlier when ritoky was talking about pms and how df was angle shooting saying rels was fr and town that I countered with I am not French but town.

Let it also be known that if damdred is mafia you are lynching the person that has only voted for and cased mafia the entirety of the game versus people that did nothing.

Let it be known that you ruined the perfect game because you wanted to lynch something that didn't make sense (overwhelmingly towny) versus actually scummy agenda.

Let it be known that I was having a hilarious time berating people about me voting rsoultin first when I wasn't actually voting her ever because it was funny. Df especially fell for this big time.

Let it be known that I truly did scum read rsoultin until she came back from rage quitting.

Also you voted me and are voting df atm

Koshi

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February 13 2018 12:54 GMT

#2202

Man...I played way better if damdred is mafia. I am even mvp if df is mafia. But that is not going to happen maybe.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 13:02 GMT

#2204

On February 13 2018 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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yeah yo uare always mvp because you called everyone in the game mafia.
c'mon Koshi, that's what you do, you did well on D1 though, equally well than anyone else though lol.

I disagree.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 13:03 GMT

#2205

Except on the "you are always mvp" part. That part is correct.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 13:04 GMT

#2206

But I will admit defeat if hf is mafia.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 13:08 GMT

#2208

Like... your claim was risky as fuck and youbwere extremely lucky prplhz rolled blue. Which is insanely lucky for this town anyway. Because it forced df in a weird situation he had to admit he was miller. Which is a very logical play as mafia as well but w.evs.

But it had 0 value and you checked most obvious townie mocsta 2018 and then disformation who also was pretty townie. Like... wasted checks imho.

But it's all fine.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 13:11 GMT

#2210

On February 13 2018 22:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I don't. You're good at finding mafia but when the game goes to a specific direction you abandon all responsibility and go on autopilot and that's bad, like with rsoultin in this game. Like with Mocsta last game. Your disformation read was cool though, you should have just said what you did today like days ago so i could check if it is a fact or not and act accordingly. I am not sure if you care too much about your image or what but it is super annoying when you have a "vigilante" D1 read that ends up on mafia you use all your town credit to only push the people who thread sentiment says is mafia.

Tis true tis true. We all have our flaws.

But I dont push thread sentiment. I create thread sentiment to mimic my ideas. And then I use that to push my lynches.

And game was good. Who ever is mafia did well. Townies all made mistakes but played well.

Oh damn Mocsta.... I havent read his filter tbh.

I assume he is mvp.

Blah

Koshi

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February 13 2018 13:13 GMT

#2214

On February 13 2018 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like, if you think HF is not scu8m don't fucking sheep me, tell me who is scum.
Why do i have to play this game on my own rn? Just that you can be mvp because you were "never wrong"?

No. I admit I have no idea atm.

Too many different events are in my head and I cant weight them properly. Like I know reasons for HF to be mafia but then there are the points that speak in his advantage and I dont know how to value everyrhing.

Same with Damdred.

I can only auto now.

And your case on hf was legit.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 13:14 GMT

#2215

On February 13 2018 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Just like you went "rsoultin is town". Why on earth should i believe you?

Hey hey. I gave reasons to why she was town. They were false. But I gave reasons.

Rsoultin deserved her oscar.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 13:14 GMT

#2217

On February 13 2018 22:11 prplhz wrote:
what the fuck are you guys even talking about

This is endgame. We are just waiting on the host and redflip.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 13:17 GMT

#2218

On February 11 2018 08:44 Mocsta wrote:

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town
You are like my strongest read

Weird kill from hf.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 13:18 GMT

#2219

On February 11 2018 11:45 Mocsta wrote:
Its clicked for me

Darthfoley is last scum

Also explains trfel nk.
I treated him as pussy scum prior but this game he came in and rsoultin was already heat. So explains why therw is deviation in my expected play.

Few other things but thats all i can be bothered to write.

I think mocsta is mvp

Koshi

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February 13 2018 13:19 GMT

#2220

My gut also says df.

Goddamn. If it is df Mocsta is like best player ever.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 13:20 GMT

#2223

You cant do that dumbass

Koshi

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February 13 2018 13:22 GMT

#2226

## unvote
##vote darthfoley

Anyway. I am going to vote df.
He fell off hard after d1 and when I read his filter a while back I had an aha! moment.

He played around rayns flip pretty good though. The only thing I can fault him is not going after rayn at all. But in this situation I guess rayn wouldnt lie anyway maybe. Like vt rayn claiming parity...

Koshi

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February 13 2018 13:24 GMT

#2228

On February 13 2018 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I think that is a shit case.

It's not a case. It's him explaining why he defended df all game long.

I am just saying he ended on df before he died.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 14:14 GMT

#2236

On February 13 2018 22:47 disformation wrote:
@koshi what happened to damdy and w0t w0s y0ur case on df agaiN? or solely your gut?

I probably already said things about df but I forgot.

Damdy I also said things about. I forgot if it were reasons that made him mafia or just illogical things.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 15:41 GMT

#2260

On February 14 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote:
Koshi why do you have a 15 page filter.

Anyways, from half-reading it so far he's not done anything that you haven't done either, so why does that make him scum over you? Also, why would mafia!Koshi go for an all in play in trying to hard defense rsoultin like that? Why any mafia would do that is beyond me.

The only bad thing that was glaring from his filter was him zealously defending rsoultin and then suddenly saying he keeps a healthy amount of suspicion on her

The healthy suspicion was 1% btw.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 15:44 GMT

#2263

Can people explain again why df isnt mafia? The good reasons.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 15:55 GMT

#2276

I trust town to do the right thing today.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 16:43 GMT

#2287

On February 14 2018 01:34 disformation wrote:
@koshi:
you df case is basically:
a) guts
b) that he didnt look like he wanted to figure out the riddle of dfs alignment
c) him falling off fairly hard
d) guts

right?

Sure. I know he is mafia.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 16:47 GMT

#2289

I ll go home soon and try to cook something up on df. I think EoD1 he also didnt give too many fucks about the lynch. He was there talking but not pushing one over another.

Maybe I am wtong but I will check it

Koshi

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February 13 2018 17:53 GMT

#2299

Well I am still pretty sure DF is mafia. I am glossing over his filter while eating and it is quite obvious to me.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 18:01 GMT

#2301

I"ll do this in little parts while eating lasagna

On February 06 2018 07:00 darthfoley wrote:
I am here to say that I am confidently and graciously town

On February 06 2018 07:14 darthfoley wrote:
I would just like to say that I shamelessly agree with thread sentiment that rsoultin pointing out the SK thing in the way that she did is scummy

i generally skip past rayn's post because he takes four paragraphs to explain what could be explained in two sentences. public service announcement

The first 2 posts from darthfoley feel longwinded and bloated. He isn't in the moment playing the game, rather he takes an inactive role and just comments on things happening. The remark on rayn isn't helping anybody.
Imo these post are generally more likely to come from mafia than town.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 18:11 GMT

#2302

I am not planning on commenting on every post he made but the next 3 are interesting as well.

On February 06 2018 07:15 darthfoley wrote:
Mocsta does not impress me so far

On February 06 2018 07:18 darthfoley wrote:
perhaps that's because he made like two posts about getting up and going back to bed that felt unnatural

On February 06 2018 11:22 darthfoley wrote:
Mocsta's ability to turn a few simple points into a wall of test is astounding.

Is this how he plays as Town? Cuz this reminds me exactly of last game

These 3 posts accumulate to nothing. df just played mafia together with Mocsta and again he just plays this on the sideways. There are 7(!) minutes between these posts. If you remove the middle post this looks fine except he doesn't pressure Mocsta. He asks the thread about something he should know best.

Like if df sees Mocsta play exactly like last time doesn't it more sense to say:

On February 06 2018 11:22 darthfoley wrote:
Mocsta's ability to turn a few simple points into a wall of test reminds me of last game in which he was mafia
Or does he do that as town as well?

The difference isn't big but how DF says it, it looks like the TMI kicks in and makes him go for Mocsta is town over Mocsta is mafia. Why not just mafia read mocsta?

And when confronted by Mocsta he just quotes himself unable to do more. It's his scumread pressuring him and he defends by just quoting himself:

On February 06 2018 11:31 darthfoley wrote:
Mocsta's ability to turn a few simple points into a wall of test is astounding.

Is this how he plays as Town? Cuz this reminds me exactly of last game

Really though time for DF to establish himself in this game. Why? He is confident as town.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 18:16 GMT

#2303

On February 06 2018 11:48 darthfoley wrote:

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Basically if I were super tired and woke up to post, I would probably not make the second post with typos about going back to bed. For me, I would just be exhausted and fall asleep. The second post sounded like one of those "update on activity" posts mafia sometimes feel like they have to make

And when pressured by Tfrel he goes for the "joke" reason.

On February 06 2018 11:50 darthfoley wrote:

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1. Rsoultin latched onto something opportunistic
2. She got defensive and pissy with questions to answer questions when called out
3. She hasn't really started snooping/being cocky yet (game is very young so this isn't a truly fair point)

On February 06 2018 11:50 darthfoley wrote:
See how succinct I made that post?

On February 06 2018 11:59 darthfoley wrote:

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Worst case scenario? Trfel asked me a question and I answered it briefly.

I haven't slung shit. I said you're reminding me of your recent scum game. I have stated why: your posts that are more than one paragraph are nitpicky and long winded for no reasons. Especially ironic considering you called Conversion nitpicky. This is why I asked if this is how you play town.

On February 06 2018 12:03 darthfoley wrote:

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Could be either. I haven't decided yet. We're 12 hours in. Given our early debacle last game I would guess that you'd be less likely to throw shade at a partner early game, so that leads me to believe I'm wrong about one of you probably

On February 06 2018 12:03 darthfoley wrote:

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Ok this sucks but these are all DF next posts. Pure defending against a scumread Mocsta. Also Tfrel entered the discussion.

Knowing that both Mocsta and Tfrel flipped town. We can assume that these town players pressured something they believed in. And I agree. This looks bad.

I wasn't here early game I think and I missed all this. I just skimmed and never read this properly because I saw 1 post I agreed with later and was stupid to take that to the bank.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 18:22 GMT

#2304

On February 07 2018 04:40 darthfoley wrote:
I like conversion, prplhz and rayn

I do not like rsoultin, Trfel and Mocsta.

To be clear, I am not claiming that they are all mafia together. But I think there's one, maybe two mafia in that. All others are somewhere in the null category

Another big problem I have with DF is that he keeps scumreading Mocsta but I never read why. He never ever states why unless we are going with that joke reason.

This is why:
1) ScumDF attacks Mocsta with shitty reasoning.
2) Mocsta attacks scum!DF for that.
3) ScumDF defends against Mocsta and keeps Mocsta as a scumread. No reasons except for the fact they argued.

On February 07 2018 04:49 darthfoley wrote:

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You're wrong about this btw. I have no problem talking about people, or reading cases that make sense and are succinct in their points. This includes rsoultin, who I think is probably scum.

What I don't like or appreciate are long winded and bloviating cases in which someone makes circuitous arguments that could easily be summed up insofar as people miss or completely lose the point said individual is trying to make with their roundabout way of posting.

I'm proud of that example btw ^.

Mocsta uses 500 words to make a point that could be made in 50. It is my right to completely skip past his post if I should choose. But that is not the same as refusing to engage with the thread about the main "event" of the day. His posting reminds me of Shapelog in which his mafia strategy revolves around confusing or boring people to death by making long ass posts. It's how I felt he played last game, and I see similar methods in this game.

Very good post by rayn and look why DF is scumreading Mocsta. It's just based on the fact "Mocsta types many words guys". There is nothing else behind it. Nothing smart. Nothing. Just "Mocsta bores people with words"

Read rayn his post. It is also a good point.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 18:26 GMT

#2306

On February 08 2018 04:29 darthfoley wrote:
Current thoughts are something like this

Town
Conversion
Koshi
Rayn
Ritoky

prplhz
Damdred
Rels
HF

Trfel
Mocsta
rsoultin/mderg
Mafia

Fine with mderg/rsoultin lynch. I will note how thread sentiment has kind of awkwardly turned away from rsoultin while people are simultaneously covering their asses saying they don't mind if she dies. I will also note how Mocsta has followed pretty much the same formula from last game with his treatment of rsoultin

I don't like that I can't remember a single thing HF said. Not a good sign

His 2 biggest scumreads are the 2 mafia. The other 2 the players he argues the most with.
I rarely nail mafia this hard so fast. But DF does it without even talking about them. He just nails them while arguing and defending against Mocsta and Trfel.

Watch his filter. Nothing about mderg. NOTHING. (probably almost nothing but look at it)
A little bit about rsoultin but he is not talking to her.
He is not trying to convince the thread about these 2. He just nails the 2 flipped mafia.

And then Mocsta and Tfrel above that. Who were in my opinion very easy townreads.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 18:27 GMT

#2307

On February 08 2018 04:32 darthfoley wrote:
I think rsoultin has put in a lot of effort but I think it's kinda NAI. Last game she ran shit and let people know what they were doing based off of her.

This game she is letting her play be attached to other variables too much for my liking. (e.g. not being down to lynch me based off of ritoky's read on me. I think i've played with ritoky like once or twice.)

For my science nerds out there: last game rsoultin's play was the independent variable; this game it feels like the dependent variable.

Called out on his list?
What a scumread...

Koshi

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February 13 2018 18:33 GMT

#2308

Ok. The flip came and df always thought rsoultin is mafia.
But look at the next 5 posts. Nothing indicates he lives in a world in which rsoultin is mafia.
He just does analysis based on the fact rsoultin is a 50/50.

rayn always kept believing rsoultin is mafia and should die.

On February 08 2018 05:10 darthfoley wrote:
If rsoultin is town, we're in good shape.

If rsoultin is mafia, we're in even better shape.

On February 08 2018 05:21 darthfoley wrote:
Mderg explanations:

1. rsoultin is roleblocker
2. mderg really thought he could pull a WIFOM into shenannie thing on me
3. he was just fucking around to create some paranoia after flip.

On February 08 2018 05:11 darthfoley wrote:
Mocsta and Koshi also look good because of the flip I think

On February 08 2018 05:13 darthfoley wrote:
Rayn/Damdred don't look very good tbh.

Rayn committed to df/rsoultin only when it's very close
Damdred votes rsoultin last minute when it's very close

BUT LOOK!!!!!
darthfoley believes rsoultin is mafia. Because the "somehow"

On February 08 2018 06:35 darthfoley wrote:
if somehow rsoultin is town, this game becomes a little spicy

Darthfoley is not making consistent posts. He is mafia and has major difficulties letting townie bias shine through!

Koshi

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February 13 2018 18:35 GMT

#2309

On February 08 2018 07:55 darthfoley wrote:
This lynch is weird because it makes rsoultin terrible but gives town cred to so many people.

wtf is this comment. Isn't scummy but weird. I don't get it.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 18:37 GMT

#2310

On February 08 2018 05:08 darthfoley wrote:
Framer/RB/Goon?

roleblocker!rsoultin

ez game ez life

On February 08 2018 08:26 darthfoley wrote:

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Also just weird imo. The first post is from right after the flip. Before those 5 quotes in which he does analysis as if rsoultin is a 50/50.

Pretty sure this is a TMI thing. He knows he is wrong and therefore he is confident in saying that first quote about rsoultin being RB. But at the same time he shouldn't know there is a RB.

I KNOW that this isn't a slip or something. But this is what mafia does.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 18:39 GMT

#2311

On February 08 2018 13:02 darthfoley wrote:
i'm just gonna say mafia is something like

rayn/rsoultin
rayn/rels slot
rayn/conversion

idk. rayn is back to looking bad now

+ Show Spoiler +

in b4 he posts an essay about how bad we are for scum reading him

This is also weird. rayn + rsoultin team? And why isn't rsoultin mafia anymore?
Nothing in his filter about it.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 18:45 GMT

#2315

On February 10 2018 09:16 darthfoley wrote:

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Maybe I sheep you. Idk if you are ever mafia with this post.

On February 10 2018 23:34 darthfoley wrote:
Koshi is wrong about me. His point about me forgetting rsoultin could be mafia is just Donald trump levels Wrong! "I forgot how hard he tr her" ?????? Please quote me that because I'm pretty sure it never happened

He's also now using this "his post style is not succinct" argument which he hasn't used against anyone else in the game.

Hopefully this doesn't make him mafia, it just makes him stupid.

Disformation reminds me of Mocsta last game but with better posts. I haven't read his filter carefully but he could be mafia.

I'm fine with rsoultin/Damdred being the lynch but I'm voting rsoultin because she is still complaining about things that just aren't true (e.g. Town is being lazy today ?????). I have not gotten any vibes that she is trying to solve game. Plus she unvoted mderg first and that whole EoD. If damdred dies, that's fine too.

##vote: rsoultin

Even though DF has scumread rsoultin the entire game. He never tried to make the thread vote rsoultin. He votes rsoultin here but what else could he do? He townread Damdred a couple times before this. The fact he is now "fine" with a Damdred lynch is just BULLSHIT.

I can pull quotes in which he calls damdred townish.

and the one in which rayn is mafia with 3 people. But no damdred!

Koshi

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February 13 2018 18:48 GMT

#2317

On February 12 2018 03:45 darthfoley wrote:

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I think rayn, mocsta, and Damdred are town. Prplhz is also probably town

Mafia lies somewhere between you, disformation, koshi and Conversion

More damdred is town

Like the only reason Damdred was ever a second mafia to DF is because rsoultin is his mafia partner

Koshi

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February 13 2018 18:49 GMT

#2318

DF, I am 100% sure you are mafia.

Town can do w.e they want. But I am sure now.

Koshi

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February 13 2018 18:49 GMT

#2319

Lately DF has been calling me mafia. And calling HF mafia.

I am done.

Should be enough.

DF is mafia.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

February 13 2018 18:50 GMT

#2320

and I am 100% certain.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

February 13 2018 19:27 GMT

#2342

Well I am pretty sure it is DF. But it's ok. I don't think he will survive so many lynches.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

February 13 2018 19:30 GMT

#2348

HF. I am sure it is DF. Can you join this wagon please?
I am sure it is him.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

February 13 2018 19:31 GMT

#2349

If it isn't him we can lynch Damdred tomorrow. I don't think it is you.
No need to sit solo on a wagon. And I am not moving to Damdred.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

February 13 2018 19:38 GMT

#2358

On February 14 2018 03:41 darthfoley wrote:

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Sorry I had better reads than you this game. You're trying to fit everything I have done into a narrative that I'm scum. So ironic. Just accept that I have played better than you this game

On February 14 2018 03:58 darthfoley wrote:
I am shocked and chagrined that Koshi can't get over a 2015 newbie TL mafia player having better D1 reads than him this game.

I should know my place and be more wrong next time. Roger that captain!

Don't be a piece of shit DF.
I don't see the point making these kinda posts as town when you are hard scumreading me.
But then again I also don't see the point in making these posts as mafia.

On February 14 2018 04:31 darthfoley wrote:
Can we just lynch Koshi to get him out of the game pls? That way we can all get along much better

I didn't do anything but give you a fair scumread and even made a case.

w.e

My vote is cemented on you and I cba to do anything till then.