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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 08 2018 23:07 GMT
#1421
On February 09 2018 07:05 disformation wrote:
like to me eod / rs and mderg not voting to save themselves is super confusing so i think lynching whoever is the scummiest while ignoring that eod might be a good idea?
just not too sure who that would be rn xD
Why.. EoD 1 in the last game, town Damdred (wagon leader) refused to vote his town reads, and basically threw his vote away IIRC (or perhaps put it on DF, who wasnt a town read regardless).

If town!rsoultin legitimately thought mderg was town at the time, I can make sense of those actions.

The main issue I had was the rsoultin progression, because prior she was considering mderg scum.
This is why I asked her about it; but I think its completely legit that in the heat of the DF/HF bragging argument, she tilted leading to the actions that took place.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:07 GMT
#1422
On February 09 2018 08:06 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:59 darthfoley wrote:
Also I don't underestimate rayn's QT post to be accurate. It would actually be quite the clever play

What do you mean by this?


Your observation on the impossible conversion emo vig play. I think it's a sick point but maybe too high level.

I still don't understand why he got so ragey after he was accused by like...two players.

rofl. are you seriously using this as anything? :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:08 GMT
#1423
On February 09 2018 08:07 Mocsta wrote:
If town!rsoultin legitimately thought mderg was town at the time, I can make sense of those actions.

The main issue I had was the rsoultin progression, because prior she was considering mderg scum.
This is why I asked her about it; but I think its completely legit that in the heat of the DF/HF bragging argument, she tilted leading to the actions that took place.

this smells like bullshit.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 08 2018 23:08 GMT
#1424
On February 09 2018 07:07 ritoky wrote:
like if df is mafia it is because he didn't have a good reason to read rels town, but then i made one up for him and put it in his mouth and he agreed to it. but if he was legit angle shooting, he is le town.

i have faith in humanity, so town.
i still dont understand this angle shooting concept that you have mentioned a couple times.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:09 GMT
#1425
On February 09 2018 08:04 Mocsta wrote:

I laid bomb on <b>Rayn</b>

very good you bombed the pgo so that's 1-1. the joke is old dude...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:10 GMT
#1426
On February 09 2018 08:04 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:58 disformation wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:35 disformation wrote:
@rayn:
i think i got distracted by koshi's great ass, or something.
but yeah got nothing of value to post rn so i think ill go to bed for rels now

I would loved if you told me what you were actually thinking but okay, maybe you're mafia then when you can't do that -- as i am not allowed to call rsoultin mafia.

*shrugs*
think i picked trfel as my first person to look at cause I didnt remember anything from skimming at work. saw some stuff about conversion convincing him to switch his read on rs. looked at conversion. saw conversions part with @mderg. posted about that.

other than that i was just throwing around ideas. in my mind i think i did look at vote stuff a bit, but didnt end up getting anywhere with that, which is why i stopped. yeah stuff like:
On February 08 2018 06:51 disformation wrote:
ritoky afks his vote on mderg fairly early in the day. says we could default lynch him instead for shennies. dont think that is likely to come from scum.
hf was hammer on scum. and even if both wagons are scum i think a scum!hf would have played this day differently.

outside of that it is a bit hard to tell imo. kinda depends on whether rsoultin is really scum or not.

On February 08 2018 06:53 disformation wrote:
possible that scum was commited on a wagon and couldnt figure out how to switch without looking bad.

On February 08 2018 07:09 disformation wrote:
On February 08 2018 06:57 darthfoley wrote:
On February 08 2018 06:53 disformation wrote:
possible that scum was commited on a wagon and couldnt figure out how to switch without looking bad.


indeed

mderg (5):: ritoky, Mocsta, trfel, Koshi, Holyflare
rsoultin (4): Conversion, darthfoley, raynpelikoneet, Damdred
Trfel (1): prplhz
darthfoley (2): mderg, rsoultin

Not Voting (1): Rels

ritoky as explained.
trfel did some waffling, so he could have made it onto either wagon imo.
koshi's eod seems to make sense.
holyflare as explained.
prplhz didnt give a fuck. so prolly not him either.
conv did some waffling, so he could have switched too.

rest i need to look at again


looks fairly straightforward to me

Wel lyou didn't answer anything since the first quote in my post clearly says you want to look at people who were on rsoultin. Then you did something else and now you tell how you ended up from there to somewhere else.

Aka you never say why you, after saying you wanna look at the other wagon, didn't actually do so but did something else instead.

hmm... i think i ended up looking at why trfel switched off rs instead.
probably cause i wanted to.

yeah you probably wanted to do that instead what you said you wanted to do.
seems good.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 08 2018 23:12 GMT
#1427
On February 09 2018 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 07:33 Mocsta wrote:
Damdred something something here
This is a thread summary of arguments everyone else has put up.

You know Mocsta, this post pisses me off quite a bit. It really does. Because your case on rsoultin at the start of D1 was taken off exactly from what i said. I understand you possibly don't realize it but you summarised nothing but my points on her in more words and without knowing the meta. I don't like you calling someone else's post thread summary when half of your D1 was nothing but a fucking thread summary from me and then you voted for mderg for no apparent reason other than "i like Koshi".

So don't do that, regardless of your affiliation, which is btw scum.
You are 1 vote of 11. you know the rest of the story.


raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:12 GMT
#1428
On February 09 2018 08:04 darthfoley wrote:
Also for the 40th time that "I believe" thing has been misunderstood and is in no way a slip.

So what did you mean by it?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:14 GMT
#1429
On February 09 2018 08:12 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:33 Mocsta wrote:
Damdred something something here
This is a thread summary of arguments everyone else has put up.

You know Mocsta, this post pisses me off quite a bit. It really does. Because your case on rsoultin at the start of D1 was taken off exactly from what i said. I understand you possibly don't realize it but you summarised nothing but my points on her in more words and without knowing the meta. I don't like you calling someone else's post thread summary when half of your D1 was nothing but a fucking thread summary from me and then you voted for mderg for no apparent reason other than "i like Koshi".

So don't do that, regardless of your affiliation, which is btw scum.
You are 1 vote of 11. you know the rest of the story.

Sure i do. But i don't care. I just tell who i think is mafia and then i am right or wrong. That's probably something you didn't know about me because that has changed since you have last played with me.

Unfortunately i am not alloed to call my other scumread scum so you just have to deal with me calling you scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:15 GMT
#1430
can you answer my post where i told you damdred's reads are not what you said they are?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 08 2018 23:16 GMT
#1431
On February 09 2018 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:06 darthfoley wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:59 darthfoley wrote:
Also I don't underestimate rayn's QT post to be accurate. It would actually be quite the clever play

What do you mean by this?


Your observation on the impossible conversion emo vig play. I think it's a sick point but maybe too high level.

I still don't understand why he got so ragey after he was accused by like...two players.

rofl. are you seriously using this as anything? :D


No but it would be awesome
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 08 2018 23:16 GMT
#1432
On February 09 2018 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:04 disformation wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:58 disformation wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:35 disformation wrote:
@rayn:
i think i got distracted by koshi's great ass, or something.
but yeah got nothing of value to post rn so i think ill go to bed for rels now

I would loved if you told me what you were actually thinking but okay, maybe you're mafia then when you can't do that -- as i am not allowed to call rsoultin mafia.

*shrugs*
think i picked trfel as my first person to look at cause I didnt remember anything from skimming at work. saw some stuff about conversion convincing him to switch his read on rs. looked at conversion. saw conversions part with @mderg. posted about that.

other than that i was just throwing around ideas. in my mind i think i did look at vote stuff a bit, but didnt end up getting anywhere with that, which is why i stopped. yeah stuff like:
On February 08 2018 06:51 disformation wrote:
ritoky afks his vote on mderg fairly early in the day. says we could default lynch him instead for shennies. dont think that is likely to come from scum.
hf was hammer on scum. and even if both wagons are scum i think a scum!hf would have played this day differently.

outside of that it is a bit hard to tell imo. kinda depends on whether rsoultin is really scum or not.

On February 08 2018 06:53 disformation wrote:
possible that scum was commited on a wagon and couldnt figure out how to switch without looking bad.

On February 08 2018 07:09 disformation wrote:
On February 08 2018 06:57 darthfoley wrote:
On February 08 2018 06:53 disformation wrote:
possible that scum was commited on a wagon and couldnt figure out how to switch without looking bad.


indeed

mderg (5):: ritoky, Mocsta, trfel, Koshi, Holyflare
rsoultin (4): Conversion, darthfoley, raynpelikoneet, Damdred
Trfel (1): prplhz
darthfoley (2): mderg, rsoultin

Not Voting (1): Rels

ritoky as explained.
trfel did some waffling, so he could have made it onto either wagon imo.
koshi's eod seems to make sense.
holyflare as explained.
prplhz didnt give a fuck. so prolly not him either.
conv did some waffling, so he could have switched too.

rest i need to look at again


looks fairly straightforward to me

Wel lyou didn't answer anything since the first quote in my post clearly says you want to look at people who were on rsoultin. Then you did something else and now you tell how you ended up from there to somewhere else.

Aka you never say why you, after saying you wanna look at the other wagon, didn't actually do so but did something else instead.

hmm... i think i ended up looking at why trfel switched off rs instead.
probably cause i wanted to.

yeah you probably wanted to do that instead what you said you wanted to do.
seems good.

yeah, but why is that a problem? ill prolly go for bed attempt 3.
On February 09 2018 08:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:12 Mocsta wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:33 Mocsta wrote:
Damdred something something here
This is a thread summary of arguments everyone else has put up.

You know Mocsta, this post pisses me off quite a bit. It really does. Because your case on rsoultin at the start of D1 was taken off exactly from what i said. I understand you possibly don't realize it but you summarised nothing but my points on her in more words and without knowing the meta. I don't like you calling someone else's post thread summary when half of your D1 was nothing but a fucking thread summary from me and then you voted for mderg for no apparent reason other than "i like Koshi".

So don't do that, regardless of your affiliation, which is btw scum.
You are 1 vote of 11. you know the rest of the story.

Sure i do. But i don't care. I just tell who i think is mafia and then i am right or wrong. That's probably something you didn't know about me because that has changed since you have last played with me.

Unfortunately i am not alloed to call my other scumread scum so you just have to deal with me calling you scum.

wasnt i scum just now?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:18 GMT
#1433
On February 09 2018 08:16 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:04 disformation wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:58 disformation wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:35 disformation wrote:
@rayn:
i think i got distracted by koshi's great ass, or something.
but yeah got nothing of value to post rn so i think ill go to bed for rels now

I would loved if you told me what you were actually thinking but okay, maybe you're mafia then when you can't do that -- as i am not allowed to call rsoultin mafia.

*shrugs*
think i picked trfel as my first person to look at cause I didnt remember anything from skimming at work. saw some stuff about conversion convincing him to switch his read on rs. looked at conversion. saw conversions part with @mderg. posted about that.

other than that i was just throwing around ideas. in my mind i think i did look at vote stuff a bit, but didnt end up getting anywhere with that, which is why i stopped. yeah stuff like:
On February 08 2018 06:51 disformation wrote:
ritoky afks his vote on mderg fairly early in the day. says we could default lynch him instead for shennies. dont think that is likely to come from scum.
hf was hammer on scum. and even if both wagons are scum i think a scum!hf would have played this day differently.

outside of that it is a bit hard to tell imo. kinda depends on whether rsoultin is really scum or not.

On February 08 2018 06:53 disformation wrote:
possible that scum was commited on a wagon and couldnt figure out how to switch without looking bad.

On February 08 2018 07:09 disformation wrote:
On February 08 2018 06:57 darthfoley wrote:
On February 08 2018 06:53 disformation wrote:
possible that scum was commited on a wagon and couldnt figure out how to switch without looking bad.


indeed

mderg (5):: ritoky, Mocsta, trfel, Koshi, Holyflare
rsoultin (4): Conversion, darthfoley, raynpelikoneet, Damdred
Trfel (1): prplhz
darthfoley (2): mderg, rsoultin

Not Voting (1): Rels

ritoky as explained.
trfel did some waffling, so he could have made it onto either wagon imo.
koshi's eod seems to make sense.
holyflare as explained.
prplhz didnt give a fuck. so prolly not him either.
conv did some waffling, so he could have switched too.

rest i need to look at again


looks fairly straightforward to me

Wel lyou didn't answer anything since the first quote in my post clearly says you want to look at people who were on rsoultin. Then you did something else and now you tell how you ended up from there to somewhere else.

Aka you never say why you, after saying you wanna look at the other wagon, didn't actually do so but did something else instead.

hmm... i think i ended up looking at why trfel switched off rs instead.
probably cause i wanted to.

yeah you probably wanted to do that instead what you said you wanted to do.
seems good.

yeah, but why is that a problem?

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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
February 08 2018 23:18 GMT
#1434
I think me letting myself get lynched last game while pushing scum over my town read is differenr from mafia jumping one vite on someone though.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 08 2018 23:18 GMT
#1435
On February 09 2018 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:04 darthfoley wrote:
Also for the 40th time that "I believe" thing has been misunderstood and is in no way a slip.

So what did you mean by it?


I know I am Town

I believe the points you made were wrong = in my opinion, your arguments are not valid

Sometimes you can understand why someone accusing you. I thought your accusations were just false. They were subjective reasons that I disagreed with
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 08 2018 23:18 GMT
#1436
On February 09 2018 08:02 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 07:59 darthfoley wrote:
What I don't understand is why scum!Damdred votes rsoultin at 5v3. I think it would make a lot more sense in that scenario to just hammer mderg and try to gain town cred from it.

If Damdred is scum, his vote + Mderg's lack of vote on rsoultin is probably the least optimal play ever. I just don't get it

yeah i dont really get damdreds eod at all.
he says he was kinda looking for a 3rd wagon, but i am not seeing evidence for that in his filter.
so not quite sure what he was doing as either alignment
I think the last couple votes came within 2-3min of deadline.

So as scum, you can prepping for a whole bunch of possibilities. Its just possible he was caught flat-footed - in particular if he is as sick as he says he is.

His filter I believe expressed he considered mderg scum, so there is legit flow to extend a vote that way if required.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:20 GMT
#1437
On February 09 2018 08:18 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:04 darthfoley wrote:
Also for the 40th time that "I believe" thing has been misunderstood and is in no way a slip.

So what did you mean by it?


I know I am Town

I believe the points you made were wrong = in my opinion, your arguments are not valid

Sometimes you can understand why someone accusing you. I thought your accusations were just false. They were subjective reasons that I disagreed with

But if you are town and you think i am mafia then you KNOW i am wrong.
If you BELIEVE i am wrong i am not sure you can tell )from that) if i am mafia or not.
If you had not called me mafia for it i would have been totally okay with it but as you did you MUST KNOW my points are wrong, not just believe.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 08 2018 23:23 GMT
#1438
On February 09 2018 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:07 Mocsta wrote:
If town!rsoultin legitimately thought mderg was town at the time, I can make sense of those actions.

The main issue I had was the rsoultin progression, because prior she was considering mderg scum.
This is why I asked her about it; but I think its completely legit that in the heat of the DF/HF bragging argument, she tilted leading to the actions that took place.

this smells like bullshit.
Rayn, at least have the courtesy to show full context instead of trimming my post

"Why.. EoD 1 in the last game, town Damdred (wagon leader) refused to vote his town reads, and basically threw his vote away IIRC (or perhaps put it on DF, who wasnt a town read regardless)."


Its clear that your agenda this cycle is to shit the thread with me.

A - You are only doing a disservice to yourself.
B - I won't break.

Your welcome.

disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 08 2018 23:24 GMT
#1439
On February 09 2018 08:18 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:02 disformation wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:59 darthfoley wrote:
What I don't understand is why scum!Damdred votes rsoultin at 5v3. I think it would make a lot more sense in that scenario to just hammer mderg and try to gain town cred from it.

If Damdred is scum, his vote + Mderg's lack of vote on rsoultin is probably the least optimal play ever. I just don't get it

yeah i dont really get damdreds eod at all.
he says he was kinda looking for a 3rd wagon, but i am not seeing evidence for that in his filter.
so not quite sure what he was doing as either alignment
I think the last couple votes came within 2-3min of deadline.

So as scum, you can prepping for a whole bunch of possibilities. Its just possible he was caught flat-footed - in particular if he is as sick as he says he is.

His filter I believe expressed he considered mderg scum, so there is legit flow to extend a vote that way if required.

hm right, there was a bunch of stuff happening ~20mins b4 deadline and then the votes ~3mins b4 deadline. maybe need to look at timings tomorrow.
(maybe i will, maybe i wont, rn i think it might be a good idea :p)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 08 2018 23:24 GMT
#1440
you're
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